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05:30:27 <mfabian_>05:30:32 <priyam> #meetingname i18n
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05:30:42 <tagoh> hi
05:30:45 <priyam> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:50 <vishalvvr> Hi
05:30:58 <priyam> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2021-06-14
05:32:05 <priyam> #chair mfabian tagoh vishalvvr
05:32:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian priyam tagoh vishalvvr
05:32:09 <paragan> Hi
05:32:20 <priyam> #chair paragan
05:32:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian paragan priyam tagoh vishalvvr
05:32:39 <juhp> hello
05:32:53 <priyam> #chair juhp
05:32:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp mfabian paragan priyam tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:17 <priyam> Let's start with today's agenda
05:33:25 <priyam> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:33:36 <priyam> #info 2021-06-23 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring infrastructure changes)
05:33:48 <priyam> #info 2021-06-29 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild)
05:33:57 <priyam> #info 2021-06-29 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
05:34:07 <priyam> #info 2021-07-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
05:34:07 <priyam> anyone has any upcoming schedule to be mentioned here?
05:35:13 <priyam> if nothing more to discuss here let's move on the next topic
05:35:35 <priyam> #topic Issues #info #136: Fedora 35 i18n test day
05:36:00 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/136
05:36:59 <juhp> Do we have any Change proposals planned?
05:38:54 <paragan> I am planning for Inscript2
05:39:03 <paragan> will find some time to write it soon
05:39:49 <priyam> thanks paragan for the update
05:40:14 <vishalvvr> i was thinking of nuspell, but today after tweeking it around found core dump issues
05:40:18 <vishalvvr> https://github.com/nuspell/nuspell/issues/111
05:40:41 <vishalvvr> not sure if its too early to be default in fedora
05:42:05 <vishalvvr> Appimage and in ubuntu it works fine
05:42:53 <priyam> Thanks vishalvvr for the update
05:43:19 <juhp> aha
05:43:45 <juhp> Does anything in Fedora use it currently?
05:43:51 <paragan> btw there is separate ticket to discuss about Change proposals
05:44:10 <juhp> ah right then my bad
05:44:34 <juhp> Perhaps we can combine for today
05:45:14 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket then
05:45:33 <priyam> #info #133: Transtats in fedora planning ticket
05:45:41 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/133
05:46:35 <priyam> suanand any update on this ticket
05:48:08 <vishalvvr> there is no update on the ticket also we are missing suanand in the call
05:48:11 <priyam> suanand is not in meeting so moving in to next ticket
05:48:24 <vishalvvr> may be we take it in next meeting
05:48:51 <priyam> #info #132: refresh I18N/Fonts
05:49:05 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/132
05:49:53 <priyam> tagoh any update on this ticket
05:50:41 <tagoh> wiki page was updated a bit. we may have more improvements on it. will take a look more later.
05:51:22 <tagoh> any feedback on it are always welcome.
05:53:09 <priyam> if nothing more to discuss here will move onto the next ticket
05:53:48 <priyam> #info #139: brainstorming for i18n-Podcast
05:53:53 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/139
05:54:11 <juhp> Yeah, getting back to this
05:54:46 <juhp> I hope we could move ahead and setup a date soon maybe end of the month or early next say
05:55:20 <juhp> If anyone is keen to be involved we can discuss that too
05:55:32 <priyam> sure juhp thanks
05:55:59 <juhp> Also contributing better and more interesting questions for the conversation would be nice, all ideas welcome
05:57:15 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket if nothing more to discuss here
05:57:36 <priyam> #info #137: Docs Beats for Fedora 35
05:57:47 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/137
05:58:20 <paragan> It is too early to discuss this ticket
05:58:58 <priyam> yes,Thanks paragan will move to our next ticket
05:59:10 <priyam> #info #135: Fedora 33 Bug triaging
05:59:18 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/135
06:00:03 <priyam> Total bug count is 54, Will soon start triaging bugs for F33
06:01:09 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket
06:01:23 <priyam> #info #134: Tracker for Fedora 35 Changes
06:01:31 <priyam> #linkhttps://pagure.io/i18n/issue/134
06:02:27 <vishalvvr> juhp, coming back to your previous query
06:02:37 <vishalvvr> https://nuspell.github.io/#languages-and-users
06:03:22 <vishalvvr> LibreOffice, Mozilla Firefox, Thunderbird are few applications that support nuspell
06:03:55 <vishalvvr> i have just tried CLI, i need to try on this application as well
06:04:32 <juhp> I see there is enchant2-nuspell in Fedora
06:04:49 <juhp> okay
06:07:27 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket if nothing more to discuss here
06:07:57 <priyam> #info #131: review/update @fonts group default packages: non-language specific extra fonts etc
06:08:06 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/131
06:09:06 <juhp> Okay I opened a PR to drop aajohan-comfortaa
06:09:32 <tagoh> cool
06:09:39 <juhp> and julietaula-monserrat from defaults in @fonts
06:10:15 <juhp> I think there was at least one more font I identified so that would be up for discussion next
06:11:06 <priyam> Thanks juhp for the update
06:11:13 <juhp> Well pt-sans-fonts and more controversially adobe-source-code-pro-fonts
06:11:30 <juhp> The latter might need some discussion with desktop/ws
06:11:42 <juhp> Sure
06:13:08 <priyam> Anything more to discuss on this ticket
06:14:12 <priyam> okay then moving onto next topic in agenda
06:14:31 <priyam> #topic Open Floor
06:14:59 <vishalvvr> juhp, i had one for podcast
06:15:05 <vishalvvr> Journey of a character from pressed on the keyboard to displayed on the screen
06:15:12 <vishalvvr> (This will cover almost all the core components from i18n ecosystem)
06:15:44 <juhp> vishalvvr: that is nice idea indeed, but also not easy to answer correctly :)
06:15:51 <vishalvvr> :P
06:15:56 <juhp> Well maybe someone else here can :-)
06:16:05 <juhp> I like it though
06:16:37 <juhp> Would be a nice long blog post certainly - well it depends totally on the level of detail I suppose
06:16:59 <vishalvvr> true
06:18:39 <vishalvvr> if we are done on this topic i have one more question regarding nuspell
06:18:54 <vishalvvr> $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS/hunspell
06:19:11 <vishalvvr> /home/vishal/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share//hunspell
06:19:28 <vishalvvr> is this the valid path "/usr/share//hunspell"
06:20:16 <vishalvvr> nuspell uses this "XDG_DATA_DIRS/hunspell" variable to locate dict
06:20:42 <vishalvvr> also while listing dicts it is displayed as "en_AG           /usr/share//myspell/en_AG"
06:21:47 <juhp> I think fedora currently puts dictionaries in /usr/share/myspell, right?
06:21:55 <vishalvvr> yes
06:22:35 <vishalvvr> i am confused with "// " in the path
06:22:37 <juhp> I remember discussing this before somewhere - personally I would favor adopting hunspell/
06:22:59 <juhp> echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
06:23:33 <juhp> Any that is not the right way to get the dir - there should be some API for that
06:23:41 <juhp> Anyway *
06:25:14 <juhp> (I mean instead of myspell/ but maybe you are not asking that)
06:26:22 <vishalvvr> right, my query is about this weird path with "//"  /usr/share//myspell
06:26:28 <juhp> Maybe such a change should come before nuspell change
06:26:43 <juhp> So please see the output of echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
06:26:56 <juhp> There is no magic :)
06:26:59 <mfabian_> The // doesn’t matter, does it?
06:27:10 <tagoh> vishalvvr, I think that shouldn't be a big deal.
06:27:34 <vishalvvr> okay i felt that's why it is not able to locate dict and core dump
06:27:48 <juhp> You can't use $XDG_DATA_DIRS/hunspell directly anyway since it is a list of paths :)
06:28:07 <juhp> Could be
06:28:18 <tagoh> indeed right
06:29:39 <juhp> Unix/linux should care about // normally
06:29:42 <juhp> should NOT
06:30:05 <mfabian_> But nuspell could have a bug in handling //, maybe.
06:31:03 <juhp> vishalvvr: can you try to get a backtrace with gdb?
06:31:31 <vishalvvr> juhp, sure will do it and update
06:32:08 <juhp> thanks
06:32:10 <tagoh> The easier way to check should be to set a single path without / terminated to XDG_DATA_DIRS right?
06:33:28 <vishalvvr> my output : echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
06:33:36 <vishalvvr> /home/vvijayra/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
06:33:50 <juhp> Yep
06:34:56 <juhp> But it might be worth a bug report: why the trailing /'s
06:37:03 <priyam> Thanks for the discussion :)
06:37:17 <vishalvvr> Anyways is will keep eye on this bug https://github.com/nuspell/nuspell/issues/111
06:37:25 <vishalvvr> s/is/I
06:38:09 <priyam> Thank you everyone for joining.Let's close the meeting
06:38:21 <priyam> #endmeeting