13:00:01 <gregbartholomew_> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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13:00:02 <gregbartholomew_> #meetingname magazine
13:00:02 <gregbartholomew_> #topic Roll call
13:00:02 <gregbartholomew_> #chair stickster asamalik jakfrost bcotton
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13:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton gregbartholomew_ jakfrost stickster
13:00:08 <gregbartholomew_> .hello glb
13:00:10 <zodbot> gregbartholomew_: glb 'Gregory Lee Bartholomew' <gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com>
13:00:15 <jakfrost> .hello2
13:00:16 <zodbot> jakfrost: jakfrost 'Stephen Snow' <s40w5s@gmail.com>
13:00:49 <gregbartholomew_> o/ jakfrost
13:00:59 <jakfrost> o/ glb
13:01:31 <jakfrost> i need to get a coffee, won't be long though
13:01:42 <gregbartholomew_> NP. I'm just giving it a second to see if anyone else shows up.
13:01:51 <coremodule> .hello2
13:01:54 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
13:02:01 <gregbartholomew_> hi coremodule!
13:02:02 <bcotton> .hello2
13:02:03 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
13:02:23 <coremodule> hi gregbartholomew_! I just saw your message about my article in my email, so figured I would attend the meeting...
13:02:38 <gregbartholomew_> Great! Thanks for coming!
13:03:02 <gregbartholomew_> Feel free to jump in at any time.
13:03:15 <gregbartholomew_> #topic Agenda
13:03:15 <gregbartholomew_> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/
13:03:15 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats --
13:03:15 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 2/ In progress followup --
13:03:15 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review --
13:03:16 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit --
13:03:18 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule --
13:03:20 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 6/ Editor of the Week --
13:03:22 <gregbartholomew_> #info -- 7/ Open floor --
13:03:26 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
13:03:26 <gregbartholomew_> #info Week of November 9: 77K pageviews -- slightly down from the previous week but close to average
13:03:56 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 2/ In progress followup
13:03:56 <gregbartholomew_> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
13:03:56 <gregbartholomew_> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
13:04:48 <gregbartholomew_> Since coremodule is here, let's start with #253 -- Using Fedora Astronomy Lab
13:04:57 <stickster> .hello pfrields
13:04:58 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
13:05:02 <stickster> Sorry I"m late :-)
13:05:09 <jakfrost> just barely
13:05:13 <gregbartholomew_> o/ stickster, NP
13:05:30 <coremodule> I am close to completing my article, depending on when it would be published, I could have it done in a day, maybe two at the most. Is there a way to schedule it for publishing later in the week?
13:05:52 <gregbartholomew_> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=32195&preview=true
13:06:42 <gregbartholomew_> Figuring out the publishing schedule is one of the main things we do at these weekly meetings.
13:07:16 <gregbartholomew_> Yes, if you are confident that your article will be done soon, we can go ahead and reserve a time for it to go out next week.
13:08:03 <coremodule> Yes, I think that is totally doable from my end. Is there a day I would need to have it ready for review by?
13:08:11 <jakfrost> It is quite a long article, with a high level of technical detail, does it deserve to be split in two?
13:08:30 <jakfrost> scheduling is later in the agenda
13:08:50 <gregbartholomew_> coremodule, I'll leave your article in the in progress column and you can move it over to review when it is ready.
13:09:33 <coremodule> jakfrost, I wondered about that too... It's actually really going to be three parts 1) Setup, 2) Data Acquisition, 3) Image Processing... Right now I have completed 1) Setup, but the next two sections *should* be a little bit shorter.
13:09:40 <coremodule> gregbartholomew_, Got it! I will do that.
13:10:19 <jakfrost> Perhaps we should divide it into three articles and make it a series post
13:10:21 <gregbartholomew_> jakfrost, just looking at the headings, I would guess that all this content is tightly related enough that it should probably be one article.
13:10:49 <gregbartholomew_> An article just on "setup" wouldn't be too useful.
13:10:57 <gregbartholomew_> IMO
13:11:03 <stickster> Yeah +1, sometimes it doesn't pay to separate just due to length
13:11:14 <stickster> The key is, does the reader take something away from the shorter article that helps them do something
13:11:37 <jakfrost> sure I see your points
13:11:57 <coremodule> I am okay with either. As someone who could have found an article like this useful when I was getting started in astrophotography, I think I would have preferred to have everything all in one place... but I do understand the possibility for data-overload.
13:12:05 <gregbartholomew_> coremodule, thanks for letting us know that your article is almost ready.
13:12:24 <jakfrost> I'm okay with long articles, just asking the question
13:12:40 <coremodule> Absolutely! I will work on it and have it complete and ready for review this by Friday at the latest.
13:12:52 <jakfrost> coremodule+
13:12:57 <jakfrost> coremodule++
13:12:57 <zodbot> jakfrost: Karma for coremodule changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:12:58 <coremodule> jakfrost, Totally understand.
13:13:32 <gregbartholomew_> Since you think you will have it done by the weekend, I will tentatively schedule it for Wednesday. The editor will need a day to review it.
13:13:42 <gregbartholomew_> coremodule ++
13:13:59 <coremodule> gregbartholomew_, That sounds good to me!
13:14:31 <gregbartholomew_> OK, thanks again for keeping us informed, and for the content!
13:14:39 <coremodule> :)
13:15:01 <stickster> coremodule++
13:15:01 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for coremodule changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:15:18 <gregbartholomew_> Moving on to the next article -- #237
13:15:19 <gregbartholomew_> Vagrant - next steps https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=32249&preview=true
13:15:48 <gregbartholomew_> The author of this article is also "currently editing" according to WP.
13:16:29 <gregbartholomew_> It looks like it is going to be another long one.
13:16:45 <jakfrost> I yep
13:16:54 <jakfrost> without the I ^
13:17:17 <jakfrost> it is in progress
13:18:57 <gregbartholomew_> Yeah, I'm wondering if we might actually want advise breaking this one up?
13:19:05 <stickster> I think we did, in the kanban card.
13:19:06 <jakfrost> possibly
13:19:22 <gregbartholomew_> The first secion is titled "basics" and it looks long enough to be its own article.
13:19:29 <jakfrost> yes I remember that discussion
13:20:30 <gregbartholomew_> OK, I see the recommendation to break it up in the Taiga card, so I'll assume that the author will do so at a later point.
13:20:49 <jakfrost> that would seem prudent
13:21:24 <gregbartholomew_> I see another one that is "currently editing" in WP!
13:21:48 <gregbartholomew_> This one doesn't have a card, but I think I know why (sort of).
13:21:54 <stickster> I don't know that those are always completely trustworthy. If someone keeps many tabs open in a browser, it can seem they're active when they're not
13:22:01 <gregbartholomew_> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=32160&preview=true
13:22:13 <gregbartholomew_> Up and Running with Stratis
13:22:13 <stickster> But... better that someone thought about it than not :-)
13:22:24 <gregbartholomew_> stickster, good to know.
13:22:52 <gregbartholomew_> Although, this author has published recently and has been active in comments just this week as well.
13:23:12 <gregbartholomew_> I think this one is legitimately in progress.
13:23:14 <stickster> Awesome
13:23:20 <jakfrost> yeah
13:23:46 <gregbartholomew_> So, what to do about the card?
13:24:01 <gregbartholomew_> There were originally two cards for the two articles.
13:24:02 <jakfrost> it has a card in the spec column
13:24:19 <gregbartholomew_> Oh?
13:24:31 <gregbartholomew_> jakfrost, can you move it to "in progress"?
13:25:11 <jakfrost> okay, it isn't there ... maybe I am mistaken but originally I thought we had two stratis cards setup
13:25:53 <stickster> I thought so too
13:26:08 <gregbartholomew_> One card was originally titled "Getting started with stratis" and I had been tracking that one as the "Getting started with stratis encryption" article.
13:26:11 <stickster> #245
13:26:38 <stickster> We just need to correct that card and put it back in business.
13:26:45 <gregbartholomew_> But the author changed the title, after the card was moved to scheduled to "Up and running with stratis".
13:27:18 <gregbartholomew_> I guess that would be the thing to do in this case.
13:27:35 <stickster> fixed
13:27:44 <jakfrost> stickster++
13:27:44 <zodbot> jakfrost: Karma for pfrields changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:27:59 <gregbartholomew_> I did find another card, but it was moved to scheduled some time ago by Adam (I think). I don't know what article the other card was moved for though.
13:28:07 <gregbartholomew_> stickster++
13:28:13 <stickster> If Taiga was better at what it's supposed to do, we could have easily done a search for "stratis" and seen the cards and maybe prevented the mixup.
13:28:13 <jakfrost> I baked cookies yesterday!
13:28:38 <stickster> Mmm cookies
13:28:47 <gregbartholomew_> OK, well, glad that is fixed, time to move on ...
13:29:06 <gregbartholomew_> #info Are there any upcoming test days?
13:29:06 <gregbartholomew_> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/QA/
13:29:15 <bcotton> jakfrost++
13:29:15 <gregbartholomew_> There don't appear to be any upcoming test days.
13:29:45 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
13:29:45 <gregbartholomew_> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
13:29:45 <gregbartholomew_> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
13:30:26 <gregbartholomew_> #234 Install Kubernetes with CRI-O #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=31934&preview=true
13:30:36 <jakfrost> it seems modtly ready for edit
13:30:41 <jakfrost> mostly
13:31:39 <gregbartholomew_> I see maybe one problem ... "SELinux should be permissive"
13:31:53 <gregbartholomew_> Is that going to cause a firestorm on WP?
13:32:18 <jakfrost> what like replacing vim with nano?
13:32:49 <bcotton> it's going ot make dan walsh sad, if nothing else
13:32:52 <gregbartholomew_> Well, I think there might even be a rule in the docs about not telling people to disable selinux.
13:33:18 <gregbartholomew_> Is there are reason that this article can be and exception?
13:33:40 <gregbartholomew_> e.g., it really doesn't work with cri-o?
13:34:04 <bcotton> nothing in the docs about it currently
13:34:41 <gregbartholomew_> bcotton, OK, I'll take that as this article has your blessing. :)
13:34:50 <bcotton> i didn't say that :-)
13:35:00 <jakfrost> I can't understand why people have such problems with SELinux, I never have issues with it interfering
13:35:03 <stickster> That doesn't seem like it should have to happen
13:35:32 <jakfrost> perhaps we should ask the author for clarification on their reason
13:35:33 <stickster> I think it would be smart to ask around with someone container-savvy to find out if there's a better way --
13:35:56 <bcotton> i think if it's a technical requirement and it's clearly explained as "this is not our general advice, but i guess this time..." it would be okay, but i agree with stickster that we should probably verify that this is the only way
13:36:01 <stickster> Granted, permissive mode is way better than disabling, but still "highly suboptimal"
13:36:07 <gregbartholomew_> I know that selinux has had problems working in containers in the recent past, I just don't know the current status or anything about Kubernetes really.
13:36:53 <jakfrost> I have played around a bit with K3s and CRI-O and never had to touch SELinux
13:36:57 <stickster> I would say check this out with someone like dustymabe (?) or he might be able to give a recommendation of someone to talk to
13:37:05 <jakfrost> I'll ask him
13:37:11 <stickster> K8s but yeah
13:37:20 <gregbartholomew_> jakfrost++
13:37:38 <stickster> jakfrost++
13:37:38 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jakfrost changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:37:45 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY
13:37:55 <jakfrost> yummy!
13:38:18 <gregbartholomew_> Well, should this one be moved to "editing"?
13:38:47 <gregbartholomew_> It is the only one we actually have marked as ready for review. :(
13:39:40 <stickster> Seems like the right move. This kind of technical checking process is part of the editing.
13:39:53 <jakfrost> I'm asking about the SELinux question now on coreos
13:40:04 <gregbartholomew_> thanks stickster, moving it to editing
13:40:17 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
13:40:17 <gregbartholomew_> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
13:40:17 <gregbartholomew_> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
13:41:06 <gregbartholomew_> Well, there is one in the queue and one expected to be in the queue by the end of the week.
13:41:14 <gregbartholomew_> volunteers?
13:41:19 <jakfrost> I can
13:41:28 <gregbartholomew_> For which one?
13:41:32 <jakfrost> for the podman article
13:41:46 <jakfrost> since I am now chasing the details on SELinux down
13:41:57 <gregbartholomew_> Thanks jakfrost.
13:42:13 <gregbartholomew_> Like I said, I have so little experience with K8s
13:42:36 <gregbartholomew_> #info jakfrost to edit #234
13:42:37 <jakfrost> I'm truly just starting to get my feet wet so to speak
13:43:01 <gregbartholomew_> I guess that should have been an action.
13:43:25 * stickster has to run afk for a few minutes, brb
13:43:37 <gregbartholomew_> I'll take the other article which is the one on astronomy.
13:43:44 <jakfrost> so action me
13:43:51 <gregbartholomew_> OK :)
13:44:02 <gregbartholomew_> #action jakfrost to edit #234
13:44:11 <jakfrost> +1
13:44:23 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
13:44:23 <gregbartholomew_> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
13:44:23 <gregbartholomew_> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
13:44:23 <gregbartholomew_> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
13:44:45 <gregbartholomew_> Give me a sec, I need to edit the cards and run the script ...
13:44:50 <jakfrost> np
13:45:22 <gregbartholomew_> Oh, I said that I would do the astronomy one on Wednesday, but which day do you want to the K8s article?
13:45:50 <gregbartholomew_> Friday or Monday?
13:46:27 <jakfrost> Monday would be better I think
13:46:46 <jakfrost> just so I can have a chance to clarify the SELinux rec
13:47:40 <gregbartholomew_> OK.
13:48:54 <jakfrost> I feel like the gate keeper
13:49:04 <gregbartholomew_> #proposed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Mon 23 Nov 2020: #234 Install Kubernetes with CRI-O (image: jakfrost, edit: jakfrost) -- Wed 25 Nov 2020: #253 Using Fedora Astronomy Lab (image: glb, edit: glb)
13:49:13 <jakfrost> +1
13:49:35 <gregbartholomew_> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Mon 23 Nov 2020: #234 Install Kubernetes with CRI-O (image: jakfrost, edit: jakfrost) -- Wed 25 Nov 2020: #253 Using Fedora Astronomy Lab (image: glb, edit: glb)
13:49:54 <gregbartholomew_> What do you mean by "gate keeper"?
13:50:39 <jakfrost> It was a ref to filtering things like SELinux disabling out of articles, just a flippant remark
13:50:54 <jakfrost> no harm intended to anyone,
13:51:21 <jakfrost> I'm still looking for the keeper of the keys
13:51:22 <gregbartholomew_> Oh, I see. I didn't assume you meant any harm, I was just wondering what you were refering to.
13:51:42 <gregbartholomew_> Speaking of the "gatekeeper"...
13:51:46 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 6/ Editor of the Week
13:51:54 <jakfrost> god intro
13:51:57 <jakfrost> good
13:52:50 <gregbartholomew_> No, this isn't the "god intro" section. :-),
13:53:05 <jakfrost> so I can do it if no one else is able
13:53:26 <jakfrost> sorry, binge watching Supernatural lately
13:53:42 <gregbartholomew_> Well, I can too.
13:53:54 <gregbartholomew_> Maybe we should flip a coin?
13:53:57 <jakfrost> want to thumb wrestle for it
13:54:14 <jakfrost> coin flip is fine, or marbles
13:54:18 <Southern_Gentlem> gregbartholomew_, jakfrost pick a # between 1-10
13:54:24 <jakfrost> done
13:54:25 <gregbartholomew_> 4
13:54:27 <jakfrost> 5
13:54:35 <Southern_Gentlem> the number was 2
13:54:44 <jakfrost> sure it wasn't 42
13:54:48 <Southern_Gentlem> gregbartholomew_, you are the gatekeeper
13:54:53 <gregbartholomew_> Yay!
13:54:57 <jakfrost> but what was the question
13:55:00 <gregbartholomew_> Southern_Gentlem++
13:55:21 <Southern_Gentlem> just so you know others are watching *w*
13:55:30 <gregbartholomew_> #info glb will be editor of the week starting November 22nd.
13:55:38 <jakfrost> it is a community after all
13:55:51 <gregbartholomew_> #topic 7/ Open floor
13:56:08 <jakfrost> I have a question for stickster and or bcotton
13:56:16 <bcotton> i have an answer for jakfrost
13:56:32 * stickster back too, fire away
13:56:38 <jakfrost> I get notification on WP regarding updates and 7 outstanding security related recommendation
13:57:06 <jakfrost> this is for a plugin, and for the actual site to be update to the latest WP
13:57:17 <jakfrost> what to do?
13:57:26 <jakfrost> something/nothing?
13:57:39 <bcotton> for the commblog (and my own blog), i YOLO the updates and it hasn't been a problem so far :-)
13:57:44 <Southern_Gentlem> article needed: how to use freenode with matrix with registration and identification
13:58:18 <gregbartholomew_> Southern_Gentlem, can you create cards in Taiga?
13:58:19 <jakfrost> bcotton: ?
13:58:41 <jakfrost> YOLO
13:58:51 <bcotton> You Only Live Once
13:59:01 <bcotton> basically i apply them with a reckless abandon
13:59:02 <Southern_Gentlem> gregbartholomew_, nope
13:59:08 <jakfrost> okay got it now
13:59:23 <gregbartholomew_> TIP, they will appear at the bottom of the spec column, but if you want them to get a little more attention, hit, the END key, click and hold on it, and then press the HOME key to jump to the top.
13:59:33 <stickster> I'm basically in the same camp as bcotton
13:59:53 <jakfrost> :)
13:59:57 <gregbartholomew_> Can you sign in so that I can get you a profile on the system?: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
14:00:14 <jakfrost> thats all I got
14:00:46 <gregbartholomew_> We are out of time anyway. Southern_Gentlem, continue on #fedora-magazine if you want.
14:00:56 <coremodule> thanks everyone
14:01:09 <gregbartholomew_> #endmeeting