17:00:30 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2020-10-15)
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17:00:34 <mattdm> #chair bookwar dcantrell jwf riecatnor dgilmore mattdm pbrobinson asamalik x3mboy
17:00:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bookwar dcantrell dgilmore jwf mattdm pbrobinson riecatnor x3mboy
17:00:36 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
17:00:43 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
17:00:44 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
17:00:44 <mattdm> Good $TIMEOFDAY everyone!
17:00:51 <riecatnor> HI!
17:00:52 <mattdm> bcotton sends his regrets.
17:00:56 <mattdm> well, maybe not regrets.
17:01:00 <mattdm> he won't be here.
17:01:01 * jwf waves
17:01:08 <mattdm> we will see if we make him regret it.
17:01:11 <bookwar> hello2.
17:01:16 <bookwar> .hello2
17:01:17 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
17:01:17 <jwf> mattdm: :-)
17:01:23 <mattdm> x3mboy also noted that he can't make it today
17:01:49 <dcantrell> .hello2
17:01:50 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
17:02:14 <mattdm> It's a busy week for me at least in the week of F33 release (yay). I'm hoping we can make this short. We've got a couple of things to check in on.
17:02:15 * bookwar pretends to be here, but it is the end of the crazy day
17:02:26 <mattdm> bookwar++
17:02:26 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for bookwar changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:02:32 <dgilmore> Hola amigos
17:02:35 <mattdm> welcome!
17:02:40 <mattdm> let's get right to the agenda
17:02:54 <mattdm> #topic Today's agenda
17:02:55 <mattdm> #info Council (virtual) Face-to-Face planning
17:02:57 <mattdm> #info Proposed content policy for YouTube
17:02:59 <mattdm> #info Add FLOSS software column to Social Media page
17:03:01 <mattdm> #info Election questionnire
17:03:03 <mattdm> #info Your topics here!
17:03:17 <mattdm> anything else?
17:03:29 <jwf> SGTM
17:03:39 <mattdm> ok let's go!
17:03:49 <mattdm> #topic Council (virtual) Face-to-Face planning
17:03:51 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/331
17:03:53 <mattdm> #info Dates are set, invitations have been sent. If you have ideas for topics, share them in the ticket
17:04:14 <riecatnor> Also, please respond to my email about the tea vs. coffee :)
17:04:16 <mattdm> This is basically a reminder is all
17:04:20 <mattdm> riecatnor++
17:04:20 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for riecatnor changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:04:37 <riecatnor> I need that by Monday
17:04:42 <mattdm> This is the first time in, like, three years that I don't have a goal of crafting something big in the Fedora strategy
17:05:04 <mattdm> I'm sure I'll find something though :)
17:05:16 <bookwar> do you want a list? )
17:05:16 <jwf> There is always something ;)
17:05:26 <mattdm> bookwar: seriously, yes. put in the ticket!
17:05:28 <dgilmore> riecatnor++ coffee++
17:05:28 <zodbot> dgilmore: Karma for riecatnor changed to 8 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:05:31 <zodbot> dgilmore: Karma for coffee changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:05:47 <mattdm> ok, next up:
17:05:50 <mattdm> #topic Proposed content policy for YouTube
17:05:52 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/323
17:05:54 <mattdm> #info waiting on a CommBlog post from x3mboy
17:06:06 <mattdm> This is very fast, since x3mboy is not here.
17:06:16 <mattdm> #info x3mboy says it'll be ready by Saturday
17:06:20 <mattdm> there that's all :)
17:06:26 <mattdm> #topic Add FLOSS software column to Social Media page
17:06:27 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/329
17:06:34 <mattdm> this is also short since bookwar did it
17:06:40 <bookwar> closed it 20 minutes before the meeting )
17:06:44 <mattdm> however, I agree with the note "well, now it looks sad"
17:07:02 <bookwar> my question regarding diaspora is still pending
17:07:38 <mattdm> bookwar: is that in the ticket, or somewhere else?
17:07:53 <bookwar> it was a mail to Brian Profitt
17:08:01 <bookwar> i will follow-up on it next week
17:08:03 <mattdm> ah.
17:08:20 <bookwar> i want to get the diaspora account running
17:08:28 <mattdm> I think that it would be good for us to have *at least one* open source social network official account
17:08:37 <mattdm> and worth it even if it doesn't have the same numbers.
17:08:46 <mattdm> at the very least, we'll have something to put on the chart
17:09:01 <bookwar> i am diaspora user myself, so i think i cab at least repost magazine articles regularly
17:09:02 <riecatnor> I just pinged BKP on my side about it
17:09:07 <mattdm> bookwar++
17:09:10 * jwf wonders about logistics of who/what/how the accounts are maintained in the complicated web of Fedora social media
17:09:10 <mattdm> cool
17:09:34 <mattdm> jwf: messily? :)
17:09:48 <mattdm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks#Official_Accounts does say:
17:09:51 <jwf> We had tried Diaspora before, but it ended up being rarely used because it required only one very busy person to maintain it, among numerous other social media accounts
17:09:53 <mattdm> Maintained by Marketing and/or Social Media Teams. Anyone with access to Official Accounts should be members of the fedora-socialmedia FAS group. If you believe you should be in the group, contact a group administrator or group sponsor.
17:10:06 <jwf> This might be the second or third time we have tried Diaspora / other open source social media
17:10:28 <mattdm> jwf: there's no way to share an account like we have on twitter?
17:10:30 <jwf> Right, that part is true. But that is just a FAS group :)
17:10:36 <bookwar> jwf: sure, it is not an easy task, but fediverse get more and more traction
17:10:42 <jwf> mattdm: Maybe? I do not know what the tools for Mastodon are
17:10:47 <bookwar> so it might be easier now than it was year or two ago
17:10:55 <jwf> I'm not against this for the record — but I'd like to be more organized than the last times we tried it
17:10:56 <bookwar> ast least i want to try
17:11:00 <mattdm> it does seem like Fedora should be part of the Fed-iverse.
17:11:04 <mattdm> It's like they named it after us
17:11:07 <jwf> And make sure we pull in people who can actually help manage it
17:11:08 <bookwar> mattdm: ++
17:11:33 <mattdm> bookwar if it's easy to add access for me, I'm willing to give it a try
17:11:41 <jwf> I would like to know exactly the method we share account/posting credentials, and hopefully that does not involve bringing in the CPE team and the password repo (not sure where that lives in 2020)
17:11:41 <mattdm> ok, next topic? or anything more on this?
17:11:57 <mattdm> jwf: that seems reasonable.
17:12:12 <jwf> Sure
17:12:26 <mattdm> For all official accounts, someone in RH OSPO should have access in some way. That provides continuity.
17:12:27 <jwf> Other than taking some time to think this through before doing it, I am +1 for it
17:12:39 <jwf> We do get requests and questions about this all the time of why Fedora is *not* there
17:13:02 <jwf> mattdm: That was what we had before for Diaspora or maybe it was GNU social too
17:13:13 <jwf> But the issue was that was where the line ended, it did not go past the RH OSPO
17:13:49 <mattdm> I don't understand that sentence
17:13:55 <mattdm> which line? where does it need to go?
17:14:07 <mattdm> like, I don't think the RH CTO needs to own it?
17:14:18 <jwf> Access did not go past the RH OSPO, i.e. you had to be a Red Hat employee to gain access to the account at all because I think the password was shared between individuals
17:14:26 <jwf> Maybe policy/procedure has changed now
17:14:29 <jwf> This was 2016/2017?
17:14:38 <mattdm> oh I see, the other way.
17:14:48 <mattdm> ok, hopefulyl that's better.
17:14:58 <mattdm> #info bookwar to investigate fediverse/diaspora more
17:15:09 <jwf> Maybe good F2F topic too
17:15:19 <mattdm> bookwar -- also, I think adding discussion.fpo and irc to the page makes sense
17:15:19 <jwf> It would be a short one but easier to talk through F2F
17:15:29 <mattdm> and probably the various matrix channels under unofficial for now?
17:15:38 <mattdm> jwf++ sounds good
17:15:38 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for jflory7 changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:16:18 <bookwar> matrix channels bridged to fedora IRC feel official to me, but i am ok with any form for now
17:16:49 * King_InuYasha waves
17:16:56 <mattdm> ok sounds good. we can always move them up the page.
17:17:08 <mattdm> ok, final (?) topic...
17:17:10 <jwf> Whatever official means anyways :P (half-joking)
17:17:12 * jwf waves to King_InuYasha
17:17:16 <mattdm> #topic Election questionnaire
17:17:18 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/334
17:17:37 <mattdm> The three basic questions are good, but a few more wouldn't hurt
17:18:20 <mattdm> this is again more of an informational item than anything for discussion here
17:18:40 <mattdm> #info if you have question ideas, add 'em to the ticket before November 11
17:19:08 <mattdm> #info While Council will decide on the final set of questions, totally open for any Fedora contributor to suggest some
17:19:42 <mattdm> also, of course
17:19:50 <mattdm> #info Fedora Council election nominations now open
17:19:54 <mattdm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Nominations
17:19:57 <jwf> \o/
17:20:07 <mattdm> along with FESCo and Council
17:20:18 <mattdm> #info more info at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/elections/
17:20:22 <dgilmore> we have two nominees already which is awesome
17:20:58 <mattdm> yes. enthusiasm is good :)
17:21:32 <mattdm> If you know of anyone else who you think might be a good candidate, please encourage them. It's good to have a big, diverse field!
17:22:01 <mattdm> #topic Next meeting
17:22:03 <mattdm> #info The next meeting is Thursday 12 November. It is a monthly video meeting featuring Fedora Magazine
17:22:05 <mattdm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings
17:22:07 <mattdm> #info The next regular business meeting is Thursday 10 December
17:22:43 <jwf> Oh fun! A general update on the Magazine these days, or a specific topic the Magazine folks are bringing to us?
17:22:52 <mattdm> I'm very interested in the Magazine update. It started out as basically just me posting 5tiFTW
17:22:59 <jwf> :-)
17:23:05 <jwf> Those were always great too
17:23:10 <mattdm> General update -- same basic framework of "current status, future plans, council requests"
17:23:25 <mattdm> It's been exciting to see it grow into something self-sustaining
17:23:25 <jwf> Cool, makes sense. Looking forward to it too!
17:23:41 <mattdm> yeah :)
17:23:50 <mattdm> #topic Do we have anything to announce?
17:23:52 <mattdm> #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities
17:23:57 <mattdm> Fedora 33 is out :)
17:24:05 <mattdm> I already mentioned the elections. Anything else?
17:24:14 <King_InuYasha> release party?
17:24:18 <mattdm> King_InuYasha++
17:24:21 <riecatnor> #link https://hopin.to/events/fedora-33-release-party
17:24:23 <jwf> King_InuYasha++
17:24:23 <mattdm> yes! riecatnor, deets?
17:24:30 <riecatnor> you need to do that I guess :)
17:24:37 <riecatnor> maybe not?
17:24:41 <riecatnor> anyways, there is registration!
17:24:41 <bookwar> feedback from community on release is mostly positive, but crypto changes deserve to be mentioned in release notes and could be explained better
17:24:50 <mattdm> riecatnor: you're a #chair so it works
17:24:54 <riecatnor> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F33_Virtual_Release_Party_Event_Signup
17:25:05 <riecatnor> some fun social events!
17:25:23 <riecatnor> #info signup for social events at the release party for F33
17:25:32 <mattdm> bookwar: Is there a ticket for the release notes? Maybe a magazine article and/or quickdocs entry?
17:25:34 <jwf> bookwar: Do you know if it is on the Docs Team issue board for the release notes already?
17:25:45 <mattdm> s/ticket/card/ :)
17:25:49 <riecatnor> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F33_Virtual_Release_Party_Lightning_Talk_Signup
17:26:08 <bookwar> mattdm: haven't checked yet
17:26:08 <riecatnor> #info signup to do a 5-10 minute lightning talk at the Fedora 33 Virtual Release Party!
17:26:09 <mattdm> riecatnor: this is going to be awesome
17:26:19 <riecatnor> :D
17:26:20 <mattdm> bookwar: can we #action you to poke at that?
17:26:40 <mattdm> riecatnor: this feels like something we probably should have been doing all along, and now COVID made us
17:26:47 <bookwar> mattdm: ok, gotta learn how release notes work these days )
17:26:52 * mattdm continues two conversations at once :)
17:26:55 <riecatnor> :P before my time
17:26:57 <riecatnor> haha
17:27:23 <mattdm> #action bookwar to file ticket or card or whatever :) with Docs Team to update release notes (and possibly other docs/posts) about crypto changes in F33 and how that affects users
17:27:34 <riecatnor> I heard that amoloney is doing a trivia session
17:27:39 <bookwar> https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/470
17:27:44 <bookwar> found it )
17:27:53 <mattdm> bookwar+=
17:28:01 <mattdm> oh I'm going to go ahead and officially zodbot this:
17:28:03 <mattdm> #info Fedora 33 was released on Tuesday!
17:28:05 <mattdm> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-33/
17:28:19 <dcantrell> mattdm: += what?  parse error
17:28:19 <mattdm> next up: dashboard check
17:28:25 <mattdm> dcantrell :)
17:28:37 <dcantrell> :)
17:28:42 <mattdm> treadmill desk typo. i'm walking kind of fast so my typing is bumpy
17:28:56 <mattdm> #topic Dashboard check
17:28:58 <mattdm> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/dashboard/
17:29:27 <mattdm> #info Huge points to dustymabe and the CoreOS team for continuing to update their entry :)
17:29:45 <dgilmore> dustymabe++
17:29:45 <zodbot> dgilmore: Karma for dustymabe changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:30:04 <mattdm> probably some of the things on red in the D&I team section should be Council F2F topics.
17:30:08 <jwf> bookwar: I dropped a ping to pbokoc in #fedora-docs for more info, if you want to follow along there too (not sure if you disconnect from IRC E.O.D. or keep a bouncer online)
17:30:25 <jwf> dustymabe++
17:30:25 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for dustymabe changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:30:27 <mattdm> and then let's see if there's anything for
17:30:31 <riecatnor> dustymabe++
17:30:31 <zodbot> riecatnor: Karma for dustymabe changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:30:31 <mattdm> #topic Open floor
17:30:40 <mattdm> or, do we want half an hour back? :)
17:30:47 <riecatnor> Fedora Women's Day went great!
17:30:55 <jwf> mattdm: +1 for D&I updates at F2F
17:31:07 <riecatnor> We had 70 attendees!
17:31:11 <mattdm> #info Fedora Women's Day event was awesome
17:31:15 <King_InuYasha> yay!
17:31:18 <mattdm> #info We had 70 attendees
17:31:21 <riecatnor> (69 technically by hopins count but im going with 70)
17:31:29 <King_InuYasha> nice!
17:31:44 <dgilmore> yo tengo nada
17:31:54 <dgilmore> nice work on Womens day :D
17:31:55 <jwf> riecatnor++ In no short credit to your efforts :) Thanks for jumping in and getting FWD off the ground this year.
17:31:56 <riecatnor> We had an amazing set of presenter
17:31:57 <riecatnor> s
17:32:07 <mattdm> yes. it was incredibly inspiring
17:32:12 <King_InuYasha> it was an awesome event
17:32:23 <King_InuYasha> I peeked in a bit during break times in openSUSE Conference
17:32:35 <riecatnor> We had 14 women & non-binary people present
17:32:36 * jwf is looking forward to catching the sessions he missed
17:32:48 <mattdm> What's the status of getting the videos ready for the other 7.6 billion people who couldn't attend the event?
17:32:49 <riecatnor> We are working on getting the content up on Youtube-- plus more!
17:32:59 <riecatnor> They are in the hands of the editor :)
17:33:03 <mattdm> (present = give presentations, not "be present") :)
17:33:17 <riecatnor> yes, that mattdm :)
17:33:39 <riecatnor> look forward to more! I will send updates
17:33:43 <mattdm> thanks riecatnor!
17:33:47 <mattdm> anything else anyone?
17:34:01 <mattdm> going in 3 2 1 ...
17:34:03 <mattdm> 3
17:34:07 <mattdm> 2
17:34:10 <mattdm> 1
17:34:12 <mattdm> #endmeeting