12:00:16 <bcotton> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 12:00:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 16 12:00:16 2020 UTC. 12:00:16 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 12:00:16 <zodbot> The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:00:16 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:00:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 12:00:19 <bcotton> #meetingname magazine 12:00:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 12:00:25 <bcotton> #topic Roll call 12:00:36 <bcotton> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna asamalik sub_pop gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr bcotton 12:00:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr ryanlerch stickster sub_pop 12:01:36 <jakfrost> .hello 12:01:36 <zodbot> jakfrost: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 12:02:12 <bcotton> good morning, jakfrost 12:02:20 <jakfrost> good morning 12:02:31 <bcotton> are things good and frosty this morning? 12:03:00 <jakfrost> no actually warming up for one day apparently then back down 12:03:13 <jakfrost> oh, sorry, yep 12:03:17 <jakfrost> lol 12:03:41 <stickster> .hello pfrields 12:03:42 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 12:03:53 <stickster> Whoops, my network fell over last night and I forgot to reconnect to proxy. Hi all 12:03:54 <bcotton> i'ts a not-quite-frosty-but-still-brisk 49.3F here this morning 12:03:57 <bcotton> welcome stickster 12:04:10 <bcotton> are things good and....sticky this morning? 12:04:12 * bcotton shrugs 12:04:58 <bcotton> #topic Agenda 12:05:04 <bcotton> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/ 12:05:10 <bcotton> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats -- 12:05:18 <bcotton> #info -- 2/ In progress followup -- 12:05:22 <bcotton> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review -- 12:05:27 <bcotton> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit -- 12:05:31 <bcotton> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule -- 12:05:37 <bcotton> #info -- 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve -- 12:05:42 <bcotton> #info -- 7/ Editor of the Week -- 12:05:48 <bcotton> #info -- 8/ Open floor -- 12:06:09 <bcotton> #topic 1/ Last week's stats 12:06:41 <bcotton> #info Week of September 7: 56,578 page views 12:06:53 <bcotton> slightly above the week before 12:07:06 <bcotton> #topic 2/ In progress followup 12:07:14 <bcotton> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author? 12:07:22 <bcotton> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:07:42 <bcotton> #info Still working with Lenovo to finalize the announcement post 12:08:18 <bcotton> #info bcotton hopes to give mattdm a draft of the F33 Beta post later today (although the release being go is not very encouraging at this point) 12:08:50 <bcotton> stickster: you moved #189 to in progress, but there's no assignee. know who is working on that? 12:09:45 <stickster> bcotton: Apologies, this is a victim of Taiga's idiotic behavior in a web browser on my phone. 12:09:45 <bcotton> 185 doesn't look like it's had any activity in a while. i'll nudge the assignee 12:09:52 * stickster moves back 12:10:10 <bcotton> #action bcotton to check with assignee of #185 12:10:20 <stickster> Same with 186. 12:10:39 <bcotton> no worries. it's hard to imagine ignoring the mobile experience in 2020, but here we are 12:11:11 <asamalik> .hello2 12:11:12 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com> 12:11:15 <asamalik> I'm sorry for being late 12:11:30 <jakfrost> the preview for #185 shows some activity 12:11:40 <stickster> I should note this to lgriffin. We are paying good money for Taiga service, and we should ask for some work on that 12:11:54 * asamalik was coding stuff and failed to see the calendar notification 12:11:58 <bcotton> #226 is basically too late. IoT test day is now, cloud is tomorrow, and FMW is friday. i know sumantrom has submitted some commblog posts, but... 12:12:01 <bcotton> welcome asamalik 12:12:17 <asamalik> thank you! 12:13:52 <jakfrost> bcotton: #185 was posted today 12:14:05 <bcotton> okay, i think that's it for in progress 12:14:09 <bcotton> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review 12:14:11 <bcotton> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback. 12:14:19 <bcotton> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:14:33 <bcotton> jakfrost: okay, cool. i missed that 12:14:43 <bcotton> andy mott has been busy :-) 12:14:59 <bcotton> i don't see preview links, though... 12:15:14 <bcotton> fetching... 12:15:43 <jakfrost> he certainly has been 12:16:44 <bcotton> okay, preview links added 12:17:20 <bcotton> these both look like they're in good enough shape to edit 12:17:22 <bcotton> anyone disagree? 12:17:52 <jakfrost> +1 12:18:10 <bcotton> #topic 4/ Articles to edit 12:18:22 <bcotton> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator. 12:18:30 <bcotton> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:18:39 <bcotton> so just the two articles from andy 12:18:43 <bcotton> i'd like to take the dns one 12:18:59 <bcotton> unless someone else desperately wants it 12:19:07 <jakfrost> I can take the vagrant article 12:19:25 <bcotton> sold 12:20:18 <bcotton> #action bcotton to edit dnsmasq article (#233) 12:20:28 <bcotton> #action jakfrost to edit vagrant article (#231) 12:20:47 <bcotton> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule 12:20:54 <bcotton> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period. 12:21:02 <bcotton> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content. 12:21:08 <bcotton> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:21:28 <bcotton> so. i'd like to think we can have the lenovo article settled by Friday (because I'd really like it to be done already) 12:21:47 <bcotton> tuesday could potentially be the release announcement, but probably not (which makes me sad in ways i cannot express) 12:22:07 <jakfrost> this has been a tough release cycle 12:22:33 <bcotton> in an option-filled world, i'd rather not run two unrelated articles by the same author back-to-back, but this is the queue we have 12:22:50 <bcotton> jakfrost: yeah, and the blockers aren't even from the big, scary changes mostly 12:22:53 * bcotton shrugs 12:23:10 <jakfrost> I could have the vagrant article ready for Friday onwards 12:24:36 <bcotton> proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: 21 Sep, Installing and running Vagrant using qemu-kvm (edit: jakfrost /image: jakfrost -- 23 Sep, Install and configure dnsmasq to provide DNS & DHCP services (edit: bcotton/ image: bcotton) 12:24:49 <jakfrost> +1 12:24:52 <stickster> That seems OK to me, +1 12:24:56 <bcotton> and if the release announcement happens on the 22nd, then we just have a very full week :-) 12:25:26 <bcotton> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: 21 Sep, Installing and running Vagrant using qemu-kvm (edit: 12:25:26 <bcotton> jakfrost /image: 12:25:26 <bcotton> jakfrost -- 23 Sep, Install and configure dnsmasq to provide DNS & DHCP services (edit: bcotton/ image: bcotton) 12:25:26 <stickster> Hey, do we need someone to ping on #227? I don't recall seeing it in our "check for in progress" review 12:26:00 <bcotton> stickster: yeah, i left it out since it's only a week and a half old 12:26:21 * stickster pings the card 12:26:52 <stickster> mhroncok is usually super-fast with stuff like that. But if he's still working on it, that's fine too. 12:27:09 <bcotton> but given our short bench, it wouldn't hurt if mhroncok got it done sooner ;-) 12:27:27 * mhroncok has a meeting, not reading here, sorry 12:27:29 <stickster> bcotton: One thing to recall is, we are trying to get away from "requiring" three articles a week. 12:27:54 <stickster> No need to apologize, you can silently get back to it whenever, our feelings won't be hurt :-) 12:28:19 <stickster> So if things aren't coming in fast, we don't want editors to self-flagellate over it :-) 12:28:32 <asamalik> yeah we tend to keep the mon,wed,fri slots, but we don't need to always fill all of them :) 12:28:32 <stickster> Sorry, that middle comment was for Miro 12:29:44 <bcotton> yeah, i'm less worried about filling next friday and more worried about having some amount of articles flowing through 12:30:17 <bcotton> #topic 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve 12:30:24 <bcotton> #info Review the the article proposals and decide about what's next — a new article spec? more discussion? 12:30:32 <bcotton> #link Article proposals in our forum: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/project/Discussion-related-to-Fedora-Magazine 12:30:49 <bcotton> #info There are 42 approved article specs waiting to be written 12:30:58 <asamalik> I always skip this step because we're doing a really good job approving them async 12:31:14 <bcotton> i think i'll nudge earl on the next steps in the latex series. those have been good articles 12:31:27 <asamalik> I wonder if we should remove this step from the meeting guide.. or keep? 12:31:34 <jakfrost> +1 on LaTex 12:31:35 <bcotton> yeah, i don't think there are too many outstanding, but we're making rapid progress :-) 12:31:44 * bcotton is fine with dropping this step 12:32:01 <asamalik> yeah I think you actually hit the record with having a publishing schedule before the bottom of the hour! 12:32:04 <asamalik> bcotton++ 12:32:16 * jakfrost could do without it 12:32:17 <bcotton> i have a little bit of practice at running IRC meetings :-D 12:32:23 <asamalik> hah! 12:32:47 <bcotton> #agreed We'll drop step 6 from the editorial meeting 12:32:56 <bcotton> #action bcotton to remove step 6 from the docs 12:33:13 <bcotton> #topic 7/ Editor of the Week 12:33:20 <bcotton> any volunteers for next week? 12:34:08 <asamalik> sure, why not, I'll take it! 12:34:20 <jakfrost> asamalik++ 12:34:22 <bcotton> #info asamalik will be Editor of the Week 20-26 Sept 12:34:59 <bcotton> on a related note, how do we feel about using the marketing fedocal (https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/marketing/) to track who is EOW? 12:35:07 <bcotton> down side: it's a manual step that we have to remember 12:35:27 <jakfrost> I'm okay with that 12:35:32 <bcotton> up side: it gives us a way to see who is EOW for a particular week and it allows people to volunteer in advance 12:36:13 <jakfrost> Is this a mobile device app? 12:36:20 <asamalik> I usually just check the forum for meeting minutes.. but being able to volunteer outside the meeting would be nice 12:36:29 <bcotton> it can't be worse than taiga ;-) 12:36:32 <asamalik> let's move everything to async!! :D 12:36:57 <jakfrost> life is async 12:37:28 <bcotton> the mobile experience is not great, but it's functional at least 12:37:37 <asamalik> the calendar feels like a lot of clicks on a yet another place, though 12:37:43 <stickster> ^ asamalik +1 12:37:44 <bcotton> and for read purposes, you can share the calendar with your favorite calendar tool 12:37:58 <bcotton> yeahhhhh 12:38:03 <stickster> I think the planning aspect is something to think about, though, I get Ben's point there 12:38:10 <bcotton> my other thought was to edit a banner on the docs every week 12:38:11 <asamalik> yeah 12:38:15 <stickster> Couldn't we just post something on Discourse for this? 12:38:31 <jakfrost> I was asking that, sort of 12:38:39 <asamalik> I actually want to figure out a way to plan publishing schedule in the forum, and the editor of the weak could be another thing we could plan there 12:38:41 <bcotton> i'm not sure everyone has privs to edit the post that we'd update 12:39:34 <asamalik> would be cool to have some sort of calendar view with the publishing schedule and the editor of the week... ideally generated from something very easy to edit 12:40:04 <bcotton> basically i have three goals with this: 1. see who has recently been EOW so we know if we should make someone take a break (or even so someone could say, oh i haven't done it in a while, i'll take a turn) 2. make it easy for us and other people who might not normally interact with us to know who to contact 3. let people volunteer for eow slots without being in the meeting 12:40:28 <asamalik> +1 to all of those 12:40:30 <bcotton> we could also no-op for now, because things have been working pretty well 12:40:52 <jakfrost> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/editor-of-the-week/22472/13 12:41:03 <stickster> I think those are all good goals and you stated the purpose well, bcotton 12:42:03 <jakfrost> bcotton:I agree 12:43:08 <bcotton> ooh, jakfrost is ahead of the game :-) 12:43:35 <bcotton> we certainly don't have to (and probably shouldn't) decide anything right now, something to think about though 12:43:41 <bcotton> anything else for open floor? 12:43:55 <jakfrost> another thing is the article suggestions on the mag site 12:44:23 <jakfrost> there are, after the HDYF article, another burp of request to be interviewed 12:44:38 <bcotton> jakfrost: do you mean https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_type=feedback ? 12:44:45 <jakfrost> yes 12:44:57 <jakfrost> how do these get tracked 12:45:00 <bcotton> yeah. i just realzied that was there yesterday 12:45:06 <bcotton> they mostly don't, i think 12:45:10 <stickster> They haven't really AFAIK 12:45:15 <bcotton> unless stickster or asamalik have done something with them in the past 12:45:20 <asamalik> oh? 12:45:21 <jakfrost> there is a long list there 12:45:27 <asamalik> I had no idea something like this is even there 12:45:49 <jakfrost> content drying up 12:46:25 <bcotton> looks like we went a year with none and then suddenly, a bunch 12:46:28 <stickster> lol 12:46:32 <stickster> "feast or famine" 12:46:47 <asamalik> how does it even get there? 12:46:50 <bcotton> so how about this for an idea 12:46:55 <asamalik> should we be sending people to the forum instead? 12:47:03 <jakfrost> also, the HDYF articles, no longer have a steward? 12:47:14 <bcotton> i'll go through the ones from 2020 and point people to the forum if it looks reasonable or delete them if not. the 2019 and before i'll just delete 12:47:18 * stickster checks and approves/spam-marks a bunch of comments 12:47:33 <bcotton> asamalik: they come from https://fedoramagazine.org/submit-an-idea-or-tip/ 12:47:44 <stickster> bcotton: That seems fair. Those tips used to go to a mailing list 12:47:48 <bcotton> i'll update that page to point to the forum 12:48:15 <asamalik> hah 12:48:21 <asamalik> bcotton++ 12:48:23 <stickster> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedoramagazine-tips@lists.fedoraproject.org/ 12:48:48 <stickster> yup, for example https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedoramagazine-tips@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3A6UVLFJT2CD3AUDOSVYKHITEMFUGF5I/ 12:49:00 <bcotton> i didn't even know that list existed 12:49:25 <asamalik> hah there is a bunch of other pages, too 12:50:57 <jakfrost> so we should subscribe to the list I guess 12:51:14 <bcotton> hopefully most of them are up to date. i'm hesitant to remove any because we dont' want to lose any search engine-ness they have 12:51:25 <asamalik> anyway, it would be nice to have some sort of magazine dashboard with all the links, the schedule, the editor of the weak, etc 12:51:34 <asamalik> lol, editor of the week 12:51:40 <bcotton> anything else for this week? 12:51:58 <jakfrost> im good 12:52:06 <bcotton> roflcopter 12:52:06 * asamalik doesn't have anything 12:53:15 <bcotton> okay, i think we're set then 12:53:29 <bcotton> thanks everyone, this was a great meeting (even though matrix disconnected from freenode for a minute in the middle) 12:53:39 <bcotton> see y'all next week or in the usual places 12:53:41 <bcotton> #endmeeting