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12:01:12 <asamalik> #topic Roll call
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12:01:12 <asamalik> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna asamalik sub_pop gregbartholomew bcotton misc rwaltr jakfrost
12:01:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
12:01:34 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:01:40 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:02:00 <asamalik> .hello2
12:02:02 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
12:03:13 <stickster> hmm quiet
12:03:24 <bcotton> .hello2
12:03:26 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
12:05:11 <asamalik> hey stickster and bcotton!
12:05:23 <stickster> Looks like it's just us chickens
12:05:26 <asamalik> let's see if more people are coming
12:05:32 <asamalik> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
12:05:58 <asamalik> #info Week of 23 March: 57.3k pageviews -- after the best week in a few months comes the worst week in a few months. Our publishing schedule hasn't been as regular as we want it to be recently.
12:06:39 <stickster> Yeah, and it's not looking good this week at the moment.
12:07:19 <stickster> It's weird. We have a bunch of staff who have been attending but they all seem to be pretty busy or otherwise occupied and can't contribute
12:07:52 <asamalik> everyone's life is a mess these days I guess
12:08:24 <asamalik> well, we'll see what we can do!
12:08:36 <asamalik> #topic 2/ In progress followup
12:08:40 <stickster> asamalik: Interesting point -- we had *one* article the week of March 23. And yet still 57.3K pageviews. What was the last time we published *three* articles and how many views?
12:08:40 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:09:00 <asamalik> stickster: yeah that is interesting
12:09:10 <asamalik> there is a lot of good content in there already!
12:09:13 <asamalik> let me see
12:10:07 <stickster> Looks like 16th/17th/20th which was Beta week. That was 75K pageviews.
12:10:19 <stickster> That's a very small incremental return on 3x the effort.
12:11:45 <stickster> Let's get back to this after we go through cards I guess. There aren't many AFAICT.
12:11:53 <asamalik> 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th — 63.1k
12:12:10 <asamalik> yep!
12:12:35 <asamalik> so, in progress
12:12:47 <asamalik> I think that's the same three as last week
12:14:06 <asamalik> there's been some progress in #108
12:14:13 <jakfrost> hello
12:14:18 <asamalik> I believe no progress in the other ones
12:14:21 <asamalik> oh hi jakfrost!
12:14:40 <jakfrost> asamalik: is 108 the origins story
12:14:50 <asamalik> jakfrost: we're just talking abo... yes :)
12:15:23 <jakfrost> The author contacted me via Taiga about working on it, I keep prodding
12:15:37 <asamalik> thanks!
12:16:09 <asamalik> looking in Wordpress, the author is actually writing right now :)
12:16:25 <jakfrost> I gues I got them motivated
12:16:50 <asamalik> jakfrost++
12:17:07 <asamalik> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
12:17:12 <asamalik> there is one!
12:17:20 <asamalik> #150
12:17:20 <jakfrost> woo hoo!
12:17:33 <asamalik> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=30778&preview=true
12:18:20 <asamalik> quickly skimming, this looks really good
12:18:31 <asamalik> I'd be interested in giving this a proper read and an edit
12:19:46 <stickster> It does look plump and full of juicy goodness :-)
12:20:44 <jakfrost> That is an interesting article, Dot files are always a hit
12:21:34 <asamalik> yep! I use multiple machines and know the pain
12:21:46 <asamalik> #action asamalik edit #150
12:21:59 <asamalik> image anyone?
12:22:02 <asamalik> happy to do it, too
12:22:10 <asamalik> but don't want to steal everything :D
12:22:32 <asamalik> because that's literally all we have today
12:22:55 <asamalik> although stickster has been doing a great job writing articles + doing everything around them
12:23:09 <stickster> I think it's fine to do it.
12:23:11 <asamalik> stickster: I sometimes wonder how you get the ideas, the last one was really cool
12:23:12 <jakfrost> True dat
12:23:21 <stickster> asamalik: came from real life, I just did it
12:23:46 <asamalik> #action asamalik image #150
12:25:32 <asamalik> all right, that's all the content
12:25:59 * bcotton is (hopefully) back
12:26:01 <asamalik> stickster: you wanted to talk about the impact of 3 articles a week, do you want to do it now before publishing schedule? or later?
12:26:06 <asamalik> I mean after
12:27:51 <stickster> After
12:27:59 <asamalik> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
12:28:26 <asamalik> so right now we only have #150
12:28:30 <asamalik> the last article was Monday
12:28:48 <asamalik> do we want to put this one on Friday? or next Monday?
12:29:17 <asamalik> I'm still leaning towards Friday
12:29:38 <stickster> I would do it for Friday. Then see if someone can provide something over the weekend at latest for Monday
12:29:39 <asamalik> and I need to get back to the cleanup we discussed last time
12:29:45 <asamalik> yep!
12:29:45 <jakfrost> Friday
12:29:49 <asamalik> ok, good!
12:30:20 <jakfrost> Yes ,cleanup I started and will continue with that.
12:30:46 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 3 April: #150 Chezmoi (edit:asamalik/image:asamalik) -- ask on the list for other content
12:31:27 <asamalik> I guess we already said yes to this :)
12:31:28 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 3 April: #150 Chezmoi (edit:asamalik/image:asamalik) -- ask on the list for other content
12:31:38 <asamalik> #topic 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve
12:31:44 <asamalik> #link Article proposals: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues
12:32:23 <asamalik> wow there's a few new ones
12:33:21 * asamalik has +1'd a few, creating a card for #64
12:33:21 <stickster> asamalik: What is our standard response to issues to get the author on a card in Taiga?
12:34:08 <asamalik> stickster: you mean when a card is approved?
12:34:35 <stickster> when an issue is closed, we want the author to take a step at that point, probably logging into Taiga with their FAS account so we can assign a card to them?
12:35:10 <asamalik> I usually write "approved, I've created this card for you <URL>", check their fas username with zodbot to get their email, check that email in Taiga users, if not there I add them, if that fails I ask them to log in and then add them
12:35:20 <stickster> gotcha
12:37:22 <jakfrost> #65 looks like good timing
12:37:31 <asamalik> it would be great to have an automation that does that when there's two +1's
12:37:57 <stickster> Agreed
12:38:18 <stickster> I wonder if that's possible on Pagure, or if not, on GitLab
12:39:24 * stickster will look at that later
12:39:48 <stickster> asamalik: It looks like we need to put some dedicated time into cleanup of old cards and getting issues into fresh ones
12:40:45 <stickster> Maybe we can set up a mini-hackfest for that
12:41:23 <jakfrost> Editorial hackfest!
12:41:31 <asamalik> sorry that took me longer than it should
12:41:36 <asamalik> card created
12:41:52 <asamalik> stickster: that could be a good way to do that, yeah
12:42:10 <asamalik> wanted to do that in the past week, but just couldn't get to it
12:42:54 <asamalik> I'll keep creating cards, in the mean time...
12:42:58 <asamalik> #topic 7/ Open floor
12:43:04 <asamalik> stickster: it's yours!
12:44:39 <stickster> So in the past we have largely been driven by pageview statistics. However, I'm puzzled by the fact that doing 3x the articles and 300% of the work is only powering 40-45% more pageviews
12:45:09 <stickster> All these articles are socialized basically the same way. So it's likely a fairly accurate apples-to-apples comparison.
12:46:03 <stickster> I'm not proposing to do this, but it does make me wonder what kind of pageviews a week with no articles would get
12:47:03 <jakfrost> That is a valid point, I don't think quantity is the only answer
12:47:09 <stickster> I think these discussion points ^^ would be worth riecatnor (who AFAIK is heading up mindshare/marketing reboot) and mattdm seeing.
12:48:08 <stickster> Basically, it tells me that overloading the editorial folks so we can produce 3 articles every week is not producing a lot of win, so the success metric may be broken even if it's the only one we've got.
12:48:35 <asamalik> yeah
12:48:49 <asamalik> although there might be a difference between the first week and, let's say, a fifth week with no content
12:49:03 <stickster> asamalik: yeah, 100% agreed
12:49:08 <stickster> that being said... there are a LOT of good ideas in the issues hopper, so if we get the contributors to actually turn those into content, there will be a wave of good articles.
12:49:09 <jakfrost> Definitely
12:49:10 <asamalik> new articles are not only creating new pageviews for themselves, but some sort of "noice" that bgings people
12:49:24 <asamalik> noise even
12:49:53 <stickster> Yes. It seems like there is a constant level of people visiting every week that is somewhat independent of whatever's new on the Magazine.
12:50:10 <jakfrost> It my home page
12:50:10 <asamalik> stickster: but to your point, I wonder how else we could spend our time not writing new content, but attracting readers to the existing perhaps
12:50:15 * stickster has to run in ~5 minutes to get ready for a training session
12:50:47 <jakfrost> There is a lot of good content already written and published
12:50:50 <stickster> jakfrost: I feel like that may be part of it. There's also the start.fp.o page in Firefox as packaged on Fedora that may drive some traffic as well. Maybe a lot of it.
12:51:04 <stickster> https://start.fedoraproject.org/
12:51:26 <asamalik> do we have numbers for the homepage? I know we do for individual articles
12:51:39 <jakfrost> stickster: I agree, but maybe the magazine is growing/maturing
12:52:10 <stickster> asamalik: I could be wrong... https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=referrers&summarize&numdays=7
12:52:35 <stickster> Looks like start.fp.o is WAAAAY down on the referrer page. Search engine and socials (Facebook, Twitter) are much higher
12:52:41 <jakfrost> Take the Taiga #108 article on origins. I, and the author were struggling with the problem of it becoming an echo of the wiki page
12:53:33 <jakfrost> I suggested doing a story about the origins with a fictitious user going from fedora core 1 to today.
12:53:42 <stickster> I guess for now my point is... we don't need to make any hasty changes. But I would propose that:
12:54:04 <jakfrost> That helped the author past their block on the article, and may give us a story to read in the process.
12:54:16 <stickster> 1. We keep suggesting content for new or returning authors that is 'how to' related, which is often what people are searching for, and search engines refer the vast majority of our traffic
12:54:34 <stickster> 2. If we can't get 3 articles in a week, we don't look at it as a horrible failure
12:55:01 <stickster> <eof/>
12:55:20 <asamalik> +1 stickster
12:55:58 * stickster gotta run
12:56:00 <asamalik> jakfrost: that's an interesting point, too
12:56:09 <asamalik> stickster: all right, thanks for coming!
12:56:35 <jakfrost> stickster: o/
12:56:43 <asamalik> I wonder if we want to info something
12:57:01 <jakfrost> asamalik: say what?
12:57:42 <jakfrost> I mean what do you think we may want to info?
12:58:18 <asamalik> well... hmmm... the answer is probably a lot of the discussion, so rather nothing at this point? :)
12:59:03 <jakfrost> I guess our meeting time has run out, we could continue on the list
12:59:16 <asamalik> let's do that, yes
12:59:31 <asamalik> #endmeeting