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12:01:13 <asamalik> #topic Roll call
12:01:13 <asamalik> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna asamalik sub_pop gregbartholomew bcotton misc
12:01:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna gregbartholomew misc ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
12:01:25 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:01:27 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:01:30 <asamalik> .hello2
12:01:31 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
12:01:40 <cverna> .hello2
12:01:42 <zodbot> cverna: cverna 'Clement Verna' <clems.verna@gmail.com>
12:02:00 <bcotton> .hello2
12:02:01 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
12:02:11 <suanand> .hello2
12:02:12 <zodbot> suanand: suanand 'Sundeep Anand' <suanand@redhat.com>
12:03:25 <asamalik> \o/ good attendance today! hi everyone
12:03:34 <asamalik> #topic Agenda
12:03:40 <asamalik> #info Fedora Magazine has moved to a new Editorial Workflow
12:03:40 <asamalik> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/
12:03:40 <asamalik> #info Following is the meeting agenda that is a slightly different than before:
12:03:40 <asamalik> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats --
12:03:40 <asamalik> #info -- 2/ In progress followup --
12:03:41 <asamalik> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review --
12:03:41 <asamalik> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit --
12:03:42 <asamalik> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule --
12:03:42 <asamalik> #info -- 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve --
12:03:43 <asamalik> #info -- 7/ Open floor --
12:03:50 <stickster> :-)
12:04:09 <stickster> I love the new workflow docs. They're great. +1 on agenda
12:04:33 <asamalik> #info For any future chairs, the agenda is drafted here for reference: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/editorial-meetings/
12:04:37 <asamalik> cool!
12:04:43 <asamalik> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
12:05:12 <asamalik> #info Week of September 16: 73.5K pageviews -- going up!
12:05:33 <stickster> Yeah, the Beta announcement surely helped here.
12:05:49 <asamalik> yep!
12:06:12 * bcotton bets this week does pretty well too
12:06:27 <stickster> One note here... If anyone has Reddit or Ycombinator/HackerNews accounts, it would be really helpful if you could help socialize articles as well.
12:06:42 <stickster> I try to stay on top of Facebook and Twitter for each post
12:07:12 <asamalik> yeah I do have a Reddit account, although I haven't used it much, but I can sure try!
12:07:13 <cverna> I try to put them on HackerNews when I think about it
12:07:21 <asamalik> cverna++
12:07:33 * asamalik made a note
12:07:37 <asamalik> #topic 2/ In progress followup
12:07:44 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
12:07:44 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:08:23 <asamalik> #info -- #20 Getting set up with Fedora Project services on Fedora 31 --
12:08:24 * stickster looks
12:08:28 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/20?kanban-status=196
12:09:01 <asamalik> I'd say this one is good to go next, we can edit and make an image, and wait with publishing whenever we need to
12:09:15 <asamalik> *good to go to the next stage
12:09:26 <stickster> +1 to bcotton title change suggestion
12:09:33 <asamalik> yep +1 to that
12:09:33 <stickster> sgallagh: ^ We can change the card title accordingly
12:10:09 <bcotton> my hacktoberfest article is still in progress. i'm finalizing project collection and i'll try to have a draft done by EOW so we can publish it next week
12:10:17 <sgallagh> stickster: Be my guest
12:10:32 <sgallagh> I just reused the title image from the earlier version
12:10:36 <stickster> done
12:10:46 <asamalik> stickster++
12:10:51 <asamalik> and I've moved it
12:10:57 <asamalik> #info -- #29 How to contribute to Fedora --
12:11:03 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/29?kanban-status=196
12:11:10 <asamalik> I think we can just move this one forward!
12:11:50 <asamalik> bcotton: thanks for the update!
12:12:08 <stickster> +1
12:12:40 <asamalik> and that's all here
12:13:02 <asamalik> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
12:13:02 <cverna> +1 too
12:13:09 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
12:13:09 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:13:42 <asamalik> #info asamalik has screwed this up and already went through those article in the previous step :)
12:13:54 <cverna> :-)
12:13:56 <bcotton> asamalik++ for efficiency
12:14:01 <asamalik> lol
12:14:17 <asamalik> and I have posted comment to bcotton's article in the board
12:14:23 <asamalik> so let's just go next :D
12:14:31 <asamalik> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
12:14:40 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
12:14:40 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:15:19 <asamalik> #info -- #20 Getting set up with Fedora Project services on Fedora 31 --
12:15:21 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/20?kanban-status=196
12:15:22 <stickster> I love this
12:15:39 <asamalik> so image is already done, I can edit!
12:15:45 <asamalik> #action asamalik to edit #20
12:15:47 <stickster> Neato :-)
12:16:09 <asamalik> #info -- #29 How to contribute to Fedora --
12:16:14 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/29?kanban-status=196
12:16:33 <asamalik> any volunteers for an image?
12:16:42 <asamalik> and editing? :)
12:16:57 <stickster> I can do both
12:17:03 <asamalik> stickster++
12:17:11 <stickster> #action stickster do image and edit US #29 on how to contribute
12:17:14 <asamalik> #action stickster to edit and make an image for #29
12:17:17 <asamalik> twice
12:17:21 <asamalik> #undo
12:17:21 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by asamalik at 12:17:14 : stickster to edit and make an image for #29
12:17:25 <stickster> oops
12:18:02 <asamalik> #info #28 Hacktoberfest
12:18:10 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/28
12:18:33 <asamalik> this one is in progress, but since it's going to be done by EOW, let's do this one as well
12:18:46 <stickster> asamalik: When a card moves to "to edit," does it get reassigned to the editor?
12:19:02 <asamalik> stickster: that's a good question, we should probably do that, yeah
12:19:35 <bcotton> if we want, i can try to ask the Digital Ocean folks if we can modify their official branding for the header. but if we'd rather do something that doesn't involve cross-mojination, i'm fine with that, too
12:19:46 <asamalik> stickster: we can even assign two people — for image and edit
12:19:58 <bcotton> this years logo is suh-weet https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/
12:20:11 <stickster> Yup
12:20:16 <asamalik> that looks great!
12:20:26 <asamalik> stickster: thanks for fixing the assignees!
12:20:44 <asamalik> so am I reading it correctly that bcotton is making the image? :)
12:20:53 <bcotton> oh no
12:20:54 <bcotton> :-)
12:20:59 <bcotton> that sounds tragic for all involved
12:21:11 <asamalik> maybe it would attract attention
12:21:56 <bcotton> i'm going and forth on it. i certainly don't want to imply endorsement in either direction, but i do think it would be cool to have our image involve theirs, or at least have the same feel to it
12:23:08 <asamalik> bcotton++
12:23:36 <asamalik> bcotton: so I'll assign you, and if your plan doesn't work you can always ask here for help with another image, that works?
12:23:46 * asamalik can edit!
12:23:53 <bcotton> so we want to see if we can use https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/HF19_logo.png as-is?
12:24:06 <asamalik> #action asamalik edit #28 when ready
12:24:29 <asamalik> bcotton: even with the logos?
12:24:50 <bcotton> i don't feel like we can crop them out in good conscience
12:24:50 * asamalik might be missing something here btw
12:25:11 <stickster> I would imagine if they met muster already for display there, they'll likely be OK for us to use too, but I agree to ask permission
12:25:16 <bcotton> asamalik: you're probably not. i just don't have fully-formed thoughts
12:25:37 <stickster> I don't think we should put the Fedora logo around or near it in the image.
12:25:41 <bcotton> stickster: yeah, i'm just worried that they wouldn't want their logo used on third-party sites. but they can always say no
12:25:55 <bcotton> yeah, i'm not really sure how i'd modify it to fedora-ize it, tbh
12:26:00 <stickster> That's definitely possible. One way to cut down on the uncertainty here is just don't bother.
12:26:43 <bcotton> yeah, i'm leaning towards don't bother
12:26:56 <asamalik> oh, hacktoberfest is their thing! right? that's what I was somehow missing
12:27:13 <bcotton> and let someone who can make pretty pictures make a pretty picture that incorporates some of the visual je ne sais quoi of the original
12:27:31 <bcotton> asamalik: yes. we're just driving people toward fedora-related projects so they can get a free t-shirt
12:27:49 * asamalik can absolutely put text over stock images, but for anything more than that I'd probably involve ryanlerch
12:27:59 <asamalik> bcotton: now I get it :)
12:28:10 <asamalik> it only took me a few weeks to realize that
12:28:18 <bcotton> sounds like ryanlerch is our winner, then :-)
12:28:36 <asamalik> he's not here, but let's try :P
12:28:46 <bcotton> all the more reason to assign it to him
12:29:09 * Southern_Gentlem wonders if the design teammay have an idea
12:29:30 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch to make a beautiful image for #28 (hacktoberfest), ideally somehow incorporating a design similar to this: https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
12:31:19 <asamalik> Southern_Gentlem: Good point. Although I think ryanlerch is on the design team (right?) and we need this fast
12:32:03 <bcotton> he is. it's rather convenient
12:32:14 <asamalik> \o/
12:32:16 <asamalik> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
12:32:18 <cverna> if we involve the design team we could also get design to use to promote the initiative on social media
12:32:24 <cverna> not just via the magazine
12:32:29 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
12:32:29 <asamalik> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
12:32:29 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:32:36 <asamalik> cverna: actually, that's a good idea
12:33:08 <asamalik> although the cover images we do are quite compatible with social media thanks to the template
12:34:28 <asamalik> so I propose: #29 (how to contribute) on Friday, #29 (hacktoberfest) on Monday, and some kind of improvisation on Wednesday
12:34:44 <asamalik> oops
12:34:48 <asamalik> * #28 (hacktoberfest)
12:35:02 <asamalik> #29 (how to contribute) on Friday, #28 (hacktoberfest) on Monday, and some kind of improvisation on Wednesday
12:35:11 <asamalik> asamalik's effectivity++
12:35:14 <bcotton> how about we improve on monday?
12:35:19 <bcotton> improv, too
12:36:07 <asamalik> that works for me
12:36:12 <stickster> This sounds reasonable to me, +1
12:36:19 <bcotton> 1. i might not get it done in time to get review before monday AM and 2. hacktoberfest starts on tuesday (not a big deal either way, but at least if it publishes on wednesday i can just say "It's October" instead of "it's almost october")
12:36:37 <bcotton> but if we don't have anything ready to go, i'll just make sure i have it done enough by EOD thursday
12:38:07 <asamalik> fair enough!
12:38:28 <cverna> sounds good to me
12:38:30 <asamalik> I'd ask on the list for something for Monday
12:39:02 <bcotton> will #20 be ready to go by Monday?
12:39:28 <asamalik> it might, although we wanted to wait for f31 GA
12:39:36 <bcotton> ah, okay, nevermind then
12:39:52 <stickster> Ohh right.
12:39:57 <stickster> So we need something for Monday?
12:40:06 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Friday 27 Sep, #29 how to contribute (asamalik:edit) -- Monday 30 Sep, asking on the list for something -- Wednesday 2 Oct, #28 Hacktoberfest (stickster:edit/stickster:image)
12:40:10 <asamalik> that's what we have so far
12:40:12 <asamalik> stickster: yep
12:40:33 <bcotton> +1, with the note that i'll make hacktoberfest happen if we can't find anything else
12:40:36 <stickster> OK. I will probably put something in the hopper but will look for someone else to contribute.
12:40:44 <stickster> +1 on schedule
12:40:56 <asamalik> stickster++
12:40:58 <cverna> +1 on schedule too
12:41:14 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Friday 27 Sep, #29 how to contribute (asamalik:edit) -- Monday 30 Sep, asking on the list for something -- Wednesday 2 Oct, #28 Hacktoberfest (stickster:edit/stickster:image)
12:41:23 <stickster> Wow, this is pretty darn efficient agenda asamalik -- nice work
12:41:27 <asamalik> #topic 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve
12:41:34 <asamalik> #info Review the the article proposals and decide about what's next — a new article spec? more discussion?
12:41:34 <asamalik> #link Article proposals: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magaz
12:41:43 <asamalik> stickster: it just feels like it, I moved this to the end :P
12:41:55 <asamalik> oops and again I screwed up!
12:41:58 <asamalik> #undo
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12:42:06 <asamalik> #link Article proposals: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues
12:42:26 <asamalik> #action asamalik to fix link to Article proposals in the agenda in the docs
12:42:48 <stickster> How do we vote on these? Just a +1/lgtm in the comments?
12:42:54 <asamalik> although we don't need to go through it now, we can do that anytime
12:43:30 <asamalik> stickster: yes, probably, and maybe adding some specifics of what we want to see in the article if that would help (like if the proposal is too broad)
12:44:23 <asamalik> but I'd say if something get's (now I'm making a process up) three +1s it's good to go, or no -1 in a week it's good to go? and someone would need to write the article spec in Taiga
12:45:32 <stickster> I'd say two +1's would be good enough
12:45:34 <asamalik> ideally, we won't be looking there during the meeting
12:45:45 <asamalik> +1 to two +1's
12:46:05 <stickster> asamalik: Whose responsibility is it to write the spec? That should appear in the magazine docs, probably, so it's clear
12:46:05 <bcotton> 1 plus two plus two plus one
12:46:16 <stickster> equals pi I'm pretty sure
12:46:24 <stickster> <-- real gud at the maths
12:46:31 <asamalik> lol
12:46:54 <asamalik> #agreed proposals with two +1's in the ticket are good to go
12:47:06 <asamalik> so let's just do that offline!
12:47:09 <stickster> One idea... if an editor writes the spec, they will probably get more of what they expect. However, it puts a burden on the editor to actually do it :-)
12:47:30 <bcotton> editors are here to lead, not to read^Wwrite
12:48:12 <asamalik> yeah it's a good point — who writes the spec? because just "good to go" is not enough here
12:49:07 <asamalik> "Contribute as an article spec writer to the Fedora Magazine!"
12:49:43 <asamalik> anyway
12:49:52 <cverna> sorry I have not followed, what is exactly the spec ?
12:50:01 <cverna> what we used to call the pitch ?
12:50:28 <cverna> getting used to new process is hard :P
12:50:49 <asamalik> cverna: it's basically like a pitch: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow-article-proposal/#_a_specific_pitch_example
12:50:52 <stickster> cverna: Yeah, basically a short, simple description of what the article should cover
12:51:01 <asamalik> it's going from "I have this idea" to "this is the article we want"
12:51:13 <asamalik> I just realized it's documented on a wrong place in the docs, I'll fix that
12:51:18 <stickster> ^ asamalik Yes! That may help prevent articles showing up that are incomplete, or not at all what was expected
12:51:29 <asamalik> #action asamalik fix the docs for "what is an article spec" explanation
12:51:37 <stickster> And we want to make things easier on writers, vs. easier on editors, if we have to chose
12:51:41 <stickster> *choose
12:51:43 <cverna> cool, thanks for the clarification
12:52:00 <asamalik> yes, exactly
12:52:27 <asamalik> ideas are cheap! so we're sorting through them and making them into specific articles that are relevant for the Magazine
12:52:35 <asamalik> (although they're valuable) :)
12:52:50 * cverna finds it difficult to vote on an idea without the spec
12:52:59 <asamalik> cverna: ok that is a very good point
12:53:12 <asamalik> and sounds super obvious now that you mention it :)
12:53:31 <stickster> :thi🤔
12:53:41 <cverna> like I have an idea about an article on playing game on Fedora, how do we vote on that ?
12:53:45 <cverna> we need more info
12:53:49 <stickster> Yeah
12:53:49 <asamalik> yep!
12:53:53 <stickster> You're right cverna.
12:54:14 <asamalik> so let's make people either submit a spec directly, or an idea which we make into a spec and then vote on it
12:54:23 <cverna> +1
12:54:31 <asamalik> (or trash it, that happens too, asking for "just good ideas" is not realistic)
12:55:02 <cverna> yes just submitting an idea is still fine, but we should use the ticket in pagure to refine the scope if needed
12:55:14 <cverna> then writing the spec should be easy
12:55:58 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed We can't vote on an idea, we need to vote on a spec. So we either ask people to either propose specs, or to propose ideas that we turn into a spec, and then we vote on that.
12:56:08 <asamalik> yep!
12:56:18 <stickster> +1
12:56:19 <cverna> +1
12:56:24 <asamalik> and because it's in Pagure, we can easily ping whoever we need to to get it to a more specific state
12:56:34 * stickster does https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issue/13 as an example
12:56:41 <asamalik> #agreed We can't vote on an idea, we need to vote on a spec. So we either ask people to either propose specs, or to propose ideas that we turn into a spec, and then we vote on that.
12:56:54 <bcotton> so we keep using the pagure repo as the idea collection point and help them spec it up if needed?
12:57:06 <asamalik> #action asamalik to update the docs regarding ideas, spec, and voting we've just discussed and agreed on
12:57:18 <asamalik> bcotton: yep
12:57:38 <bcotton> cool, then i'm a late +1 :-)
12:57:48 <asamalik> to collect ideas and to make them into specific... specs :)
12:57:54 <asamalik> \o/
12:58:19 <stickster> Once that spec is agreed we can just copy it into the Taiga card too
12:58:25 <stickster> That seems pretty simple
12:58:27 <asamalik> yep!
12:58:35 <asamalik> that makes sense from a process standpoint as well!
12:58:54 <asamalik> ok, one minute left!
12:59:05 <asamalik> #topic 7/ Open floor
12:59:13 * asamalik waits 60 seconds!
12:59:24 <stickster> Hmm, we ran out of time, but at some point we need to discuss how to get more writers inbound here.
12:59:46 <stickster> Having our *process* ready is definitely needed first. So it doesn't make sense to run out and wave our arms around right now :-)
12:59:52 <asamalik> yes
13:00:06 <asamalik> I agree :)
13:00:13 <asamalik> I've proposed an article about contributing
13:00:19 <asamalik> it's in Pagure
13:00:23 <asamalik> so that might be a good first step
13:00:40 <asamalik> but we should also think about more sophisticated strategy
13:00:46 <stickster> Once we have our process in good shape (and as simple from writer POV as possible), we *should* definitely start looking to mattdm and whoever our upcoming FCAIC is about how to pull in some more writers here
13:00:49 * asamalik will at least think about it
13:00:52 <Southern_Gentlem> an article layingout the steps for those wanting to contribute
13:01:03 <asamalik> stickster: yeah
13:01:10 <asamalik> Southern_Gentlem: I agree
13:01:39 <asamalik> I think we mentioned in one of our conversation with stickster even a short youtube video walking through the process
13:01:40 <stickster> Southern_Gentlem: We have https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/ which is where we want to point everyone, even from an article itself
13:01:47 <asamalik> oh!
13:01:55 <stickster> asamalik: ^ yes, that too. I can work on that when I get some weekend time.
13:02:01 <asamalik> I have updated the homepage pointing to the docs: https://fedoramagazine.org/
13:02:03 <stickster> I'll start by writing a script for it.
13:02:05 <asamalik> I did that like 2 hours ago
13:02:10 <stickster> Nice!
13:02:21 * cverna goes in another meeting
13:02:22 * stickster notices we're over time
13:02:25 <asamalik> stickster: cool! I'm happy to help with/do that as well
13:02:31 <cverna> thanks all
13:02:33 <asamalik> yep, we're over time here
13:02:56 <asamalik> ok, thanks all!
13:03:04 <asamalik> #endmeeting