14:01:37 <pbrobinson> #startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting
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14:01:37 <pbrobinson> #chair pwhalen pbrobinson bcotton
14:01:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton pbrobinson pwhalen
14:01:37 <pbrobinson> #topic roll call
14:01:54 * pwhalen is here
14:02:17 * laubersm is here
14:03:37 * tdawson is here
14:03:58 <pbrobinson> #topic 1) ==== Working Group process and admin  ====
14:06:05 <pwhalen> Anything for admin?
14:06:55 <pbrobinson> I need to update the current move towards Edition
14:09:08 <pbrobinson> #topic 2) ==== Fedora Rawhide AKA F-32 ====
14:09:20 <pbrobinson> so we have rawhide composes for F-32 as of yesterday
14:09:59 <pbrobinson> #info rawhide is now F-32, those on rawhide ostree branch who wish to stay on F-31 should rebase to devel branch
14:10:10 <pwhalen> nice, I've not had a chance to look.
14:10:25 <laubersm> nice
14:11:33 <pbrobinson> In rawhide I'm considering dropping initial-setup and add ignition packages to enable easier testing of that, the idea would be probable people install branched/31 and rebase to rawhide if they need traditional setup
14:11:35 <pbrobinson> thoughts?
14:12:27 <pwhalen> Sounds good to me, allow easier testing
14:15:13 <pbrobinson> #topic 3) ==== Fedora 31 ====
14:15:36 <pbrobinson> #info Fedora 31 branched composes happening, on ostree devel branch
14:16:15 <pbrobinson> #info anyone on pre-branched Fedora 31 should rebase to devel branch
14:16:19 <pbrobinson> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/iot/rebasing/
14:16:29 <pbrobinson> any one got any comments on F-31
14:16:36 <pbrobinson> anyone actually done any testing?
14:17:02 <pwhalen> I'll check out the latest composes.
14:17:11 <pbrobinson> there's a new one running now
14:17:18 <pwhalen> right.
14:17:34 <pbrobinson> there was a minor issue with yesterday's around wireless but it will be fixed in today's
14:19:06 <pwhalen> Only issue I've had was the treeinfo stuff with virt-install. Do we cover virt-install in our docs?
14:19:32 <pwhalen> we likely should add it
14:20:35 <pwhalen> doesn't look like we have it documented yet
14:21:22 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: docs repo is here https://pagure.io/fedora-iot/iot-docs
14:21:39 <pbrobinson> I have on my list to fix the treeingo
14:21:43 <pbrobinson> treeinfo
14:24:11 <pbrobinson> anyone anything for F-31?
14:24:13 <pwhalen> Looks like some small edits needed on our docs. will try to add the virt-install option as well
14:24:43 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: quite possibly, please do them as separate PRs
14:24:47 <pbrobinson> #topic 4) ==== Fedora 30 ====
14:24:50 <pwhalen> ok
14:24:59 <pbrobinson> there's been a new compose today
14:25:18 <pbrobinson> I will likely promote that to stable soon if people could please do some testing and report back
14:25:38 <pwhalen> nice, will upgrade my local boxes today
14:25:41 <pbrobinson> #info latest F-30 compose will likely be promoted to stable, please test
14:27:24 <pwhalen> any reported issues in f30?
14:27:46 <pbrobinson> oh good, we're perfect!
14:27:55 <pwhalen> :D
14:27:57 <pbrobinson> #topic 5) ==== Open Floor ====
14:28:12 <tdawson> I have a comment on minimizing and IoT
14:28:47 <tdawson> I'll send out an email, but just to get people thinking.  Is there anything in IoT images that we think is "extra baggage"
14:29:34 <tdawson> In other words, are there any packages that we have to have, that are pulling in other packages we do not think need to be in IoT images?
14:30:20 <puiterwijk> tdawson: I'd say: yes, quite a few.
14:30:35 <puiterwijk> And I think Peter is already in discussion with Adam around working together on that
14:31:12 <pbrobinson> tdawson: a metric crap ton
14:31:40 <pbrobinson> and yes, I've had a meeting and a number of discussions with asamalik
14:31:52 <tdawson> Ahh .. OK.  I'm working with Adam too.  I'm going to be doing more of the packages themselves, while he's doing more of the automation/administrative/webpage stuff.
14:32:55 <tdawson> *nods* OK, I'll bring this up with him and see if he has any action items for me.
14:34:18 <tdawson> That's it for me.
14:36:14 <pbrobinson> tdawson: as a starter I noticed that anaconda-core now pulls in flatpak deps, that should really be in anaconda-gui or some other package so initial-setup doesn't pull it in
14:36:48 <pbrobinson> tdawson: overall trying to reduce the deps initial-setup pulls in would be extremely useful in general on Arm and likely some DE images
14:36:48 <puiterwijk> pbrobinson: but on the other side, if we're getting rid of initial-setup, not sure that matters much to us?
14:37:19 <pbrobinson> puiterwijk: for IoT in the medium term no, for minimisation in the general sense, will still be useful
14:37:27 <puiterwijk> Totally true
14:39:48 <pbrobinson> any one have anything else?
14:40:35 <tdawson> I've put anaconda-core onto my current short list of packages to work on.  I've put initial-setup on the long list.
14:42:16 <pbrobinson> tdawson: the two are closely linked
14:42:48 <tdawson> After I talk to asamalik I'll send out an email so we can discuss it more in a better format (something we can send lists to without killing IRC)
14:42:58 <pbrobinson> also a general heads up that September is going to be an insane travel month for me
14:43:25 <pbrobinson> I'll be about but mostly async as I'll have a bunch of meetings, presentations and related
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14:51:38 <puiterwijk> pbrobinson: maybe it's an idea to close the meeting? :)
14:51:45 <pbrobinson> #endmeeting