21:00:08 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
21:00:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar  6 21:00:08 2019 UTC.
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21:00:12 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:14 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:20 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:21 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:31 <cverna> hello
21:00:31 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch asamalik cverna jakfrost
21:00:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna jakfrost ryanlerch stickster
21:00:37 <cverna> o/
21:00:44 <jakfrost> .hello jakfrost
21:00:48 <zodbot> jakfrost: jakfrost 'Steven Snow' <s40w5s@gmail.com>
21:01:08 <stickster> hi folks!  o/
21:02:48 <asamalik> oh hey everyone!
21:02:49 <asamalik> .hello2
21:02:50 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
21:03:26 <stickster> I didn't see ryanlerch around yet, maybe still getting his coffee ;-)
21:03:37 <stickster> asamalik: do you want the gavel?
21:04:45 <stickster> maybe I should go ahead for the time being then :-)
21:04:49 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
21:05:30 <stickster> #info Week of February 25: 67.4K pageviews, slighly up from week before and moderate performance overall
21:05:31 <ryanlerch> .hellow ryanlerch
21:05:41 <ryanlerch> sorry!
21:05:47 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:05:49 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:05:51 <stickster> hellow to you too! ;-D
21:06:19 <cverna> hellow :P
21:06:33 <stickster> #info Month of February 2019: 272.6K pageviews, very slightly up YoY (only about 1K or 0.4%)
21:06:53 <stickster> This past week it looks like we missed our Monday article
21:07:09 <cverna> and that's whitout spectre meltdown :)
21:07:24 <stickster> cverna: good point
21:07:34 <ryanlerch> cverna: so we need another big security issue?
21:07:55 <stickster> jakfrost: where are we on that one, will you be able to finalize it with author and schedule for Friday publication?
21:07:56 <cverna> ryanlerch: let me see what I can do
21:08:16 <jakfrost> Is that the GRUB install article stickster?
21:08:20 <stickster> it is
21:09:15 <asamalik> ah sorry the whole thing just froze for me.. I don't know if that's my connection or something :/
21:09:43 <jakfrost> I sent out an email on the magazine list and got one response from G.B. Basically the article was doable, I thought I was reviewing it, not editing it sorry.
21:10:29 * stickster goes to list to see status
21:10:42 <jakfrost> It is a bit in need of polish for publishing though, and I had to do something slightly different to accomplish the stated task.
21:11:55 <stickster> I don't mind finding specific places to tune recommended procedure. The grub2-mkconfig vs grub-install for instance. Good points and we don't want to mess up users' systems.
21:12:16 <jakfrost> I can have it ready for Friday for sure if the author is okay with my suggestions.
21:12:37 <jakfrost> I used grubby
21:13:11 <jakfrost> It was available ootb with CentOS
21:13:11 <stickster> gregbartholomew is camped in this channel
21:13:40 <stickster> If you guys want to finalize things in realtime on #fedora-magazine feel free to do that!
21:14:29 <stickster> #nick gregbartholomew
21:14:31 <stickster> If you guys want to finalize things in realtime on #fedora-magazine feel free to do that!
21:14:36 <stickster> oops, sorry, wrong paste :-D
21:14:43 <stickster> #action jakfrost do final copy edit on GRUB article with gregbartholomew and schedule for Friday
21:15:37 <jakfrost> Okay sure thing
21:15:39 <stickster> That's the only pending review post, so...
21:15:43 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
21:15:49 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:15:56 <stickster> #info --- C# part 2 ---
21:16:01 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25106&preview=true
21:16:37 <stickster> I get the impression from the list Francisco is ready to have this reviewed, since he was asking about how to publish the "public preview" link we used to have before WP5
21:18:28 <asamalik> I'm happy to do the editing
21:19:00 <stickster> It looks pretty basic, definitions of terms. I do question that a few terms aren't defined here, like namespaces, class, function, and method
21:19:30 <stickster> asamalik: Do you feel like you could add those? They're general terms we use in a lot of languages
21:19:49 <stickster> I'm not sure whether it's really needed. If the audience is someone who knows another language, maybe not.
21:20:08 <stickster> asamalik: ryanlerch: cverna: jakfrost: opinions?
21:20:34 <cverna> yes I don't think it is 100% needed
21:20:46 <cverna> but it would not hurt neither
21:20:47 <jakfrost> I think anyone who doesn't program will likely not read an article about programming or read leisurely
21:20:48 <cverna> :P
21:20:55 <ryanlerch> yeah, def needs a language edit, a lot of "we"'s
21:21:14 <jakfrost> Does need some polishing for sure
21:21:36 <asamalik> I think it depends on whether it's an article explaining programming, or if it's primarily introducing a language to programmers
21:21:36 <ryanlerch> not sure how deep we want to go with this series after this one though
21:21:48 <asamalik> we might not need to explain what a class is for example
21:21:50 <ryanlerch> i can do the image for this one too
21:21:51 <jakfrost> asamalik true
21:21:58 <stickster> asamalik: can you do a little rewrite to get rid of "we" instances? seems straightforward, like "we use bool to represent..." --> "The bool type reprsents" etc.
21:22:11 <asamalik> we can definitely link to an article about object oriented programming for sure
21:22:17 <stickster> asamalik: I think it's the latter. So I think you and cverna and jakfrost are right.
21:22:35 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yeah, I'd really like to see something a little more substantial if there's a part 3
21:23:07 <asamalik> stickster: sure!
21:23:08 <ryanlerch> yeah, and it is getting into just a c# tutorial, with no real link back to fedora
21:23:36 <ryanlerch> i.e. a hello world example is good, because it explains how to set up the language in fedora
21:23:50 <stickster> yeah, I'm a little bummed by this one
21:24:05 <asamalik> I could totally more support an article that's more actionable
21:24:06 <jakfrost> Why not ask the author for such
21:24:49 <jakfrost> There are C# variants available on Fedora, aside from VSCode I mean
21:26:11 <stickster> Yeah, we have dotnet for example
21:26:21 <stickster> that was in part 1 of the article series, which he links to at top of the new part
21:26:40 <stickster> #action stickster see if C# author will beef up with more actionable content
21:27:17 <asamalik> +1
21:27:42 <stickster> suggestions for what to add to the article?
21:27:51 <stickster> I was thinking maybe ... *
21:28:56 <asamalik> I'm not sure what specifically to add
21:29:07 <cverna> make a simple game
21:29:32 <stickster> Yeah, or a utility program that shows a feature of C##
21:29:42 <cverna> like tic tac toe or something like that so he can explain the concept with the program
21:30:15 <cverna> a clone of ls, or cat for example
21:30:36 <jakfrost> It doesn't have to be code, it could be examples of why you would want it and how it is used in OOP
21:30:52 <stickster> he explained some conceptual stuff in part 1
21:31:27 <jakfrost> Or even how this variable(s) data is accessed in a typical C# program which ususally encapsulates it's data
21:31:36 <jakfrost> Or even how this variable(s) data is accessed in a typical C# program which usually encapsulates it's data
21:32:25 <stickster> OK, we can move on in the meantime
21:32:29 * stickster emailed about it
21:32:48 <stickster> Other draft appears to be empty, not sure if that's a pitch to come or not.
21:34:37 <cverna> the "Test post" one ?
21:34:44 <stickster> cverna: the translation one
21:34:57 <cverna> ha
21:34:58 <stickster> The Test post one appears to be the JDK author testing an image function -- he asks about it on the list
21:35:05 <stickster> So no other drafts to review either
21:35:09 <stickster> Man, this is a dry spell!
21:35:28 <jakfrost> I did check into BorgBackup
21:36:06 <jakfrost> I installed it as a layered package on my Silverblue and have bookmarked the manula and will begin testing
21:36:33 <stickster> cool, thanks jakfrost
21:36:41 <jakfrost> It is a CLI based tool, there are front ends available and I want to check them out
21:37:16 <stickster> #info stickster just figured out the problem with the images -- you need to specify in the right-side settings that the image links --> media file so the full size comes up when someone clicks the thumbnail in the article
21:37:32 <stickster> #info stickster fixed the problems in the JDK article
21:37:43 <stickster> something for editors to be aware of
21:37:54 * stickster is looking forward to the BorgBackup article
21:37:54 <jakfrost> Deja-Dup can be successfully installed as a layered pacakage now too.
21:38:00 <stickster> whoa, nice
21:38:34 <cverna> do you think an article on fedora-badges would be interested ? with the angle on how to grow on opensource community
21:38:36 <jakfrost> And this just in Nvidia drivers are available on Silverblue as per Alex Larson
21:38:58 <jakfrost> Hope I spelled his name right
21:39:17 <jakfrost> I think a fedora badges article is due
21:39:22 <stickster> cverna: We are in need of people to work on the actual code, so yes indeed!
21:39:50 <cverna> yes I think it would be a good way to refresh interest for it
21:39:59 <stickster> I think it should be focused on, here's how it works and what skills you need to help work on it
21:40:13 <stickster> Then we could plan social media to tag the right groups for it to show up
21:40:24 <cverna> ok I can work on that
21:40:27 <stickster> jakfrost: woop woop!
21:41:09 <stickster> cverna: what if we did a *series* on ways for people to contribute to easy code projects? another good example is the flocktofedora.org website or many of our others
21:41:32 <cverna> sound like a cool idea
21:41:36 <stickster> It took me (not a very technically advanced person) < 30 min to push new Budapest 2019 info -- OK, not very much of it -- this morning
21:41:52 <stickster> because I got sad it still showed 2018 :-D
21:42:02 <stickster> maybe we could come up with a series like this!
21:42:19 * stickster volunteers to write the website one, it's what he knows best
21:42:44 * ryanlerch notes the websites stuff i maybe going to change soon though
21:42:53 <cverna> I have just added the pitch for badges
21:42:54 <stickster> yeah, that's true
21:42:57 <stickster> rats
21:43:02 <stickster> cverna++
21:43:04 <ryanlerch> sorry!
21:43:07 <stickster> +1 in adavance
21:43:09 <ryanlerch> ryanlerch--
21:43:11 <stickster> advance, even
21:43:14 <stickster> lol, nope
21:43:19 <stickster> ryanlerch++
21:43:55 <cverna> we can do an update if that changes :P
21:44:27 <stickster> yeah
21:45:11 <cverna> it maybe does not have to be to detailed but it can just point out the git repo, the mailing lists etc
21:45:15 <stickster> Any other ideas for what we could add over the next week or two?
21:45:34 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
21:45:43 <ryanlerch> i threw in a quick pitch about discussion.fp.o
21:45:53 <cverna> Oh we had the libravatar stuff
21:45:54 <stickster> #info We're running dry, need ideas + writers to do them!
21:46:05 <cverna> sorry I did not have the time to look at it
21:46:49 <cverna> that could be a quick newsy article, what is libravatar, how to use it, and it is run by Fedora
21:46:55 <cverna> :)
21:47:12 <jakfrost> cverna: agree
21:47:37 <stickster> cverna: is that running on our infra?
21:47:40 <jakfrost> for instance I know nothing about libravatar
21:47:50 <cverna> stickster: yes in our cloud
21:47:51 <stickster> cverna: sorry, I asked that question wrong. are we *hosting* the domain on our infra?
21:47:54 <stickster> OK
21:48:04 <stickster> you answered the question even though I asked badly :-D
21:49:34 <cverna> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/4ALUPGMXBH5N56TD4LQQAXZVOEKGTP5Y/
21:49:47 <stickster> Cool
21:49:59 <stickster> cverna: are you able to do a quick article on libravatar?
21:50:32 <cverna> yes I can do the libravatar for next week
21:50:56 <stickster> cverna: that would be cool. Maybe for Wednesday? ryanlerch, maybe you could do the discussion.fp.o for Monday?
21:51:05 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure
21:51:09 <cverna> +1
21:51:35 <stickster> jakfrost: if you can conclude copy edits by tomorrow night, we're good to go
21:51:42 <stickster> (on the grub article, that is)
21:52:02 <jakfrost> I will give it my best efforts, it is doable I think.
21:52:07 <ryanlerch> there is an image for the grub one on there already
21:52:11 <stickster> cool ryanlerch!
21:52:15 <jakfrost> Excellent
21:52:54 <stickster> jakfrost: I think changing the technical content is lower priority than copy editing and publishing
21:53:43 <jakfrost> For sure
21:53:47 <stickster> if we have a choice between bikeshedding and publishing, as long as the content isn't going to harm someone's system, personally I prefer pushing it ;-D
21:53:57 <stickster> of course this is GRUB we're talking about
21:54:30 <stickster> But since we're talking about a system that we're going to install to, harm is less a priority
21:54:36 <stickster> anyhoo
21:55:03 <jakfrost> Yeah I was more worried about the actual links not working
21:55:30 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Mar 8, install from GRUB (jakfrost) -- Mon Mar 11, discussion.fp.o (ryanlerch) -- Wed Mar 13, libravatar (cverna) -- Fri Mar 15, TBA (stickster)
21:55:43 <cverna> +1
21:55:53 <jakfrost> +1
21:55:59 <ryanlerch> +1
21:56:02 <asamalik> +1
21:56:11 <stickster> #agreed Fri Mar 8, install from GRUB (jakfrost) -- Mon Mar 11, discussion.fp.o (ryanlerch) -- Wed Mar 13, libravatar (cverna) -- Fri Mar 15, TBA (stickster)
21:56:19 <stickster> #topic All other business / Open floor
21:57:09 <cverna> nothing on my side
21:57:27 <jakfrost> I think I covered my stuff
21:57:45 <stickster> Oh!
21:57:57 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do discussion.fp.o article for Monday publication
21:58:08 <stickster> #action cverna do libravatar article for Wednesday publication
21:58:11 <stickster> wow, I'm slipping
21:58:28 <ryanlerch> stickster++
21:58:32 <cverna> :)
21:58:36 <jakfrost> Its age
21:58:38 <ryanlerch> thanks for chairing!
21:58:50 <cverna> thanks all
21:58:59 <asamalik> stickster: thanks for chairing!
21:59:09 <stickster> Thanks folks :-)
21:59:15 <stickster> Have a lovely day/night :-)
21:59:17 <stickster> #endmeeting