21:00:45 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 27 21:00:45 2019 UTC. 21:00:45 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:00:45 <zodbot> The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:45 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:48 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 21:00:48 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:51 <stickster> #topic Roll call 21:00:53 <stickster> .hello pfrields 21:00:54 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 21:01:18 <stickster> #chair asamalik cverna ryanlerch sub_pop[m] 21:01:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop[m] 21:01:22 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch 21:01:24 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com> 21:01:30 <stickster> #info asamalik is on PTO and may not be able to attend tonight his time. 21:01:30 <ryanlerch> morning stickster! 21:01:42 <stickster> o/ ryanlerch, hope you're having a good morning thus far :-) 21:02:04 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah! puppy is walked, coffee is being consumed! 21:02:06 <jakfrost> .hello jakfrost 21:02:07 <zodbot> jakfrost: jakfrost 'Steven Snow' <s40w5s@gmail.com> 21:02:19 <ryanlerch> cant get much better than that! 21:02:34 <stickster> #chair jakfrost 21:02:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna jakfrost ryanlerch stickster sub_pop[m] 21:02:52 <stickster> Well, let's go ahead, it may just be us today 21:03:01 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats 21:03:33 <stickster> #info Week of Feb 18: 66.2K pageviews, in line with usual decent week, neither amazing nor deficient :-) 21:04:10 <stickster> 261.9K pageviews for February so far, which is respectable 21:04:28 <ryanlerch> short month too, so looking good! 21:04:38 <stickster> #info stickster failed to get an article post-reviewed and will do so tonight and push for tomorrow, before end of month :-) 21:05:18 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts 21:05:21 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post 21:05:57 <stickster> #info --- JDK mission control --- 21:05:59 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24753 21:06:23 <stickster> #info This is the one stickster didn't have time to finish polishing after jakfrost edit, and was doing so right before the meeting 21:06:41 <jakfrost> Thank you stickster 21:07:48 <stickster> #action stickster finish spit-polish on JDK Mission Control article and schedule for 2019-02-28 21:08:03 <stickster> np jakfrost -- the article looks quite good! Mostly all I've done is a couple format tweaks. 21:08:30 <stickster> ryanlerch: thanks for the image :-) 21:08:33 <jakfrost> I checked with the author on the changes I made. They were only for clarity and flow. 21:08:47 <jakfrost> Nice image ryanlerch 21:08:57 <stickster> well done jakfrost -- collaboration ftw 21:09:10 <stickster> #info --- F30 supplemental wallpapers --- 21:09:13 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=25368&action=edit 21:09:59 <stickster> wheeeee! it's that time again :-) I'm OK to take this one for editing/image as penance, if no one else feels strongly 21:10:13 <stickster> I can have it ready to push Friday to start off March :-) 21:10:33 <stickster> except Ryan stole it :-D 21:10:42 <stickster> Oh, I published the wrong link :-D 21:10:57 <stickster> #undo 21:10:57 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x7fc40fe89e10> 21:10:59 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25368&preview=true 21:11:02 <ryanlerch> i'm out of it now! 21:11:05 <ryanlerch> sorry! 21:11:09 <stickster> no worries, it was my bad 21:11:46 <stickster> #action stickster edit, image, and schedule F30 supplemental wallpapers post 21:11:56 <ryanlerch> stickster++ 21:12:05 <ryanlerch> jakfrost++ FOR EARLIER TOO 21:12:09 <jakfrost> Go stickster! 21:12:11 <stickster> jakfrost++ 21:12:11 <ryanlerch> oops capslock, sorry 21:12:15 <stickster> #info --- Start Fedora installation from GRUB --- 21:12:17 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25356&preview=true 21:13:29 <stickster> ooooo! new stuff! shiny. 21:14:32 <stickster> Anyone interested in taking this on for next week? 21:15:17 <stickster> It looks reasonably correct AFAICT but could stand to be tested on a VM 21:15:22 <jakfrost> I can have a go at editing it 21:15:39 <stickster> for example, telling people "cross your fingers" is not what I'd call confident advice :-D 21:15:44 <ryanlerch> i can do the image for it! 21:16:34 <stickster> jakfrost++ wish I had more cookies to give 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 21:16:34 <stickster> #action jakfrost edit installation via GRUB article 21:16:44 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image for installation via GRUB article 21:16:44 <jakfrost> I blew coffee out my nose over that stickster 21:16:47 <stickster> lol 21:17:03 <stickster> ☕ 👃 21:17:24 <stickster> That's pretty much it for pending review :-) 21:17:27 <jakfrost> All I can smell is coffee 21:17:31 <ryanlerch> lolz 21:17:36 <stickster> not so bad then :-D 21:17:43 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review 21:17:45 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25106&preview=true 21:17:47 <stickster> #undo 21:17:47 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x7fc426336ed0> 21:17:49 <jakfrost> Meh, could be worse 21:17:53 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 21:18:13 <stickster> #info --- C# Fundamentals: data types + variables --- 21:18:15 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25106&preview=true 21:19:56 <stickster> This was worked on today but I'm not sure whether it's done yet. 21:20:10 <stickster> I don't see a note on the list about it so I'll assume there's more to do unless we hear back 21:20:20 <ryanlerch> stickster: good idea! 21:20:45 <jakfrost> Agreed 21:20:53 <stickster> It looks like it's at least close, which is great 21:21:31 <stickster> Here's the sad part, there's nothing else newer waiting to be reviewed :-( 21:21:38 <stickster> content does seem to come in waves :-D 21:22:24 <jakfrost> I thought there were some comments from people suggesting articles (for others) to write. 21:23:31 <stickster> jakfrost: can you call them up and give a URL? we can definitely go through some and pick out ideas 21:23:45 <stickster> oh wait, duh. I have the comment queue in front of me :-D 21:24:14 <jakfrost> At the magazine feedback page https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_type=feedback 21:25:26 <stickster> Ohhh the feedback queue 21:26:11 <stickster> I see a loooooong comment asking about backup software -- ISTR we have a miniseries about dejadup 21:26:29 <jakfrost> Some were maybe not relevant but there was one specific to Silverblue 21:26:53 <jakfrost> Deja-Dup and Silverblue is a no go 21:27:27 <stickster> SQUEEEE a request for Fedora Silverblue for dummies! 21:27:33 <jakfrost> But yeah a backup demand is pending out there from the comments I have run across. 21:27:33 <stickster> Oh wait, no go? how come? 21:28:02 <stickster> we already have https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/installation-guide/ for Silverblue 21:28:15 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can try the silverblue one maybe 21:28:40 <ryanlerch> not for this week though, will involve some research and learning on my part 21:28:42 <jakfrost> Deja-Dup doesn't run as a flatpak currently 21:28:44 <stickster> ryanlerch: Is it worth doing something with the installation guide above already existing? Can that be streamlined more? 21:29:56 <jakfrost> There is maybe a way to use borgbackup layered on Silverblue 21:30:58 <ryanlerch> stickster: oh, that doc will be a good start 21:31:00 <stickster> I don't even know that one 21:31:10 <stickster> jakfrost: But +1 if you want to go for it 21:31:32 <ryanlerch> just want to get across a bit more of the "why" 21:32:19 <ryanlerch> at wuick glance to me, it silverblue seems restrictive, but not clear what the benefits are really 21:32:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yeah -- one of the key selling points is still very strong -- painless rollback if something doesn't work 21:33:03 <stickster> as opposed to "broken, but you get to keep all the pieces" 21:33:25 <stickster> I'm almost certain you can still install other RPMs and flatpaks on top 21:33:45 <ryanlerch> we also basically have to point people to flathub it seems too 21:33:54 <ryanlerch> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/silverblue-guide/#_using_flatpaks_flathub 21:33:58 <stickster> I bet this installation guide could be cut down by assuming the person is going to only run Silverblue (not dual boot) and just take defaults for as much as possible 21:34:16 <stickster> Then link back to the docs/installation guide for anything more complex 21:34:34 <ryanlerch> okies, i'll take this one 21:34:43 <ryanlerch> it might turn into a multi-part 21:34:57 <ryanlerch> but def a WIP 21:35:59 <jakfrost> Silverblue uses rpm-ostree to alloy layering of rpm's on top of the immutable OS which provides the core components of the Fedora OS. 21:36:48 <stickster> right 21:36:57 <stickster> Someone also asked for an article about VPN with Wireguard 21:37:05 <stickster> (Wireguard is FOSS according to a quick Google search) 21:37:33 <stickster> It's packaged in rpmfusion free, hmm 21:38:12 <stickster> What else can we pull together for Wednesday? 21:38:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can try to find a desktop / workstation thing to pull together 21:38:59 <smooge> side note. we are in a fedora update/outage and zodbot might go away during the meeting 21:39:06 <stickster> smooge: uh oh 21:39:12 <stickster> I recommend we wrap up then 21:39:18 <stickster> smooge: can you give us 2 minutes to do that? 21:39:19 <ryanlerch> an app review / roundup 21:39:27 <smooge> will do so 21:39:29 <ryanlerch> or extension thing 21:39:35 <stickster> thanks for the heads-up smooge !!! 21:39:39 <jakfrost> Okay, I'll check into the borgbackup thing on Silverblue 21:39:49 <ryanlerch> see you soon, zodbot 21:39:51 <stickster> #idea ryanlerch will try to pull together an app review/roundup or something else to fill in Wednesday 21:40:06 <stickster> #idea jakfrost will try borgbackup on Silverblue to seed an article 21:40:10 <stickster> #topic Publishin schedule 21:40:19 <ryanlerch> stickster: will look at it today and post to the list with details 21:41:29 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Thu Feb 28, JDK Mission Control (ready); Fri Mar 1, F30 wallpaper (stickster) -- Mon Mar 4, install from GRUB (jakfrost edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed Mar 6, TBA (ryanlerch) 21:41:46 <stickster> ^ Look good? 21:42:02 <ryanlerch> +1 21:42:25 <stickster> #agreed Thu Feb 28, JDK Mission Control (ready); Fri Mar 1, F30 wallpaper (stickster) -- Mon Mar 4, install from GRUB (jakfrost edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed Mar 6, TBA (ryanlerch) 21:42:32 <stickster> OK, let's call it so smooge can do his thing! 21:42:35 <stickster> #endmeeting