02:07:23 <juggler[m]> #startmeeting FAmNA - 2019-01-17
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02:07:36 <juggler[m]> #meetingname FAmNA
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02:07:38 <award3535> ok I finally got in
02:07:43 <juggler[m]> #chair juggler
02:07:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: juggler juggler[m]
02:07:54 <juggler[m]> #chair award3535
02:07:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 juggler juggler[m]
02:08:06 <juggler[m]> #chair douglax
02:08:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 douglax juggler juggler[m]
02:08:24 <juggler[m]> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
02:08:24 <award3535> that was the forth time the server kicked me out
02:08:37 <juggler[m]> .hello lajuggler
02:08:38 <zodbot> juggler[m]: lajuggler 'Perry Rivera' <juggler1@gmail.com>
02:08:53 <juggler[m]> @award3535
02:09:01 <award3535> I am here
02:09:01 <juggler[m]> yeah...it keeps happening to me too award
02:09:12 <juggler[m]> we see you award!
02:09:19 <juggler[m]> we also see your msgs
02:09:52 <award3535> good so looks like there are three of us here
02:10:08 <juggler[m]> is that enough for a quorum? raises eyebrow
02:10:23 <wrnash> Sorry I have not been online for a long time.  Job change
02:10:35 <award3535> well remember these meetings are not to approve things anymore just to share information
02:10:42 <award3535> #chair wrnash
02:10:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 douglax juggler juggler[m] wrnash
02:10:55 <award3535> wrnash yes it has been a long time welcome
02:11:00 <wrnash> Thanks
02:11:25 <wrnash> Great to be back
02:11:41 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
02:11:45 <juggler[m]> wb wrnash!!
02:12:15 <award3535> wrnash are you familiar with the mindshare stuff
02:13:37 <wrnash> no I'm not
02:15:11 <award3535> wrnash, there has been a lot of changes to the way we conduct business now FAmNA does not approve events or funding anymore that is completed through the mindshare committee
02:15:26 <wrnash> ok
02:16:06 <juggler[m]> so for items that are still open in Pagure, do we handle the backclosing of those or do they stay open in perpetuity, or...?
02:16:41 <juggler[m]> example:
02:16:45 <juggler[m]> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/198
02:16:58 <juggler[m]> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/199
02:17:37 <award3535> 199 can be closed
02:18:00 <award3535> 198 can be referenced here now https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
02:18:32 <wrnash> i have some reading to do
02:19:04 <award3535> wrnash the link I just referenced to ticket 198 is a good start
02:19:46 <juggler[m]> not sure how to close 199. do I mark it fixed, completed?
02:20:22 <award3535> so much has changed but feel free to call me or email me
02:20:55 <award3535> juggler you can close it as fixed, we did not attend that event last year
02:21:18 <juggler[m]> will update that as of this moment...
02:21:20 <award3535> funding and there was no set guides for getting funding
02:22:21 <steelaworkn> Sorry, just getting back to it.
02:22:21 <award3535> 198 I wold like to leave open for tracking since there is no documentation as of yet to support the mindshare approval process
02:22:24 <juggler[m]> so I guess 198 just stays held open then?
02:22:34 <award3535> #chair steelaworkn
02:22:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 douglax juggler juggler[m] steelaworkn wrnash
02:22:40 <juggler[m]> got it award3535
02:22:47 <juggler[m]> steel!!! :)
02:23:00 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
02:23:28 <award3535> open floor since we do not really have tickets or other issues to detail
02:23:34 <juggler[m]> I recently filed a prelim budget for SCaLE17x
02:23:42 <juggler[m]> ...in mindshare
02:24:04 <steelaworkn> I still need to get the event box down there.
02:24:15 <steelaworkn> Should have that done in a few days.
02:24:25 <juggler[m]> It's still in triage: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82
02:24:48 <award3535> juggler(m) remember that you must have a strong write up and make sure you detail it well in the ticket
02:25:46 <juggler[m]> I based the ticket off an existing. feel free to let me know if there's anything else to include...
02:26:20 <award3535> also the more money you request you must be aware they may ask you what fedora will get out of it
02:26:25 <juggler[m]> unfortunately, my talk wasn't accepted this year.
02:26:43 <award3535> and the more money you ask for the more members will have to approve it
02:27:03 <steelaworkn> That's the catch.  If we are approved for funding but our talks are turned down...then what?
02:27:21 <juggler[m]> x2 with steelaworkn
02:27:36 <juggler[m]> best guess is the talks were very competitive this year... shrug
02:27:53 <award3535> that is new ground and that is why documentation is so important
02:28:36 <award3535> but that is a question for bex
02:28:44 <award3535> or brian cotton
02:28:56 <steelaworkn> I do think it is important to have a presence at these regional events regardless of whether we present talks or not.
02:30:06 <steelaworkn> There's some big things happening like SilverBlue and Modularity.  KInda caught me off guard this past fall.
02:30:22 <steelaworkn> And no DVD drives in computers.
02:30:54 <juggler[m]> yeah, I'll also need to follow up with @Paradox if he was able to secure free boothspace
02:31:02 <award3535> steelaworkn I agree but we in NA do not control funding and its hard to say how the committee would vote, and yes that is why we create images on customers/users USBs
02:31:37 <juggler[m]> #action lajuggler to follow up with Paradox on boothspace @ SCaLE17x
02:31:39 <steelaworkn> Oh, that is a good plan.  BYOUSB
02:32:10 <wrnash> that could be a big security risk
02:32:27 <juggler[m]> last year we were gifted USBs by Red Hat. It was nice. :)
02:32:59 <award3535> we tried that at SELF with the federator and used personal USBs that the attendees were carrying
02:33:32 <award3535> but we did give out alot of DVD images we created
02:33:57 <steelaworkn> I was laughed at, just a wee bit, at SeaGL for burning DVDs for people.  But they were taken as fast as I could burn them.
02:34:14 <juggler[m]> lol...nice!
02:34:55 <juggler[m]> btw award3535 where should steelaworkn's event box travel next?
02:35:10 <award3535> yes that seems to be an parallel problem, since we dont have funding for USB drives, and make DVDs for dist
02:35:36 <award3535> juggler(m) should be sent to you for SCALE
02:35:58 <award3535> just make sure I know when its shipped so that i can track the bill
02:36:45 <steelaworkn> I was supposed to weigh the boxes for @paradox but haven't done it yet.  I will do that this weekend.
02:36:59 <juggler[m]> got it. should we wait for the budget to get triaged before it gets shipped? we'd like to get some idea of whether we can get a budget for this event...
02:37:19 <award3535> yes wait for budget.....
02:38:00 <juggler[m]> will do. I hope it gets allocated soon. If a budget doesn't arise, I need enough time to work on a Plan B to get to SCaLE :)
02:38:45 <award3535> remember that the companies budget will be march time frame so just keep trying. I havent checked the budget since we in NA ran out of money
02:39:08 <juggler[m]> I'm also deferring specifics on the budget to Paradox. He is technically the point guy for this event. I just filed the mindshare ticket as a courtesy. :)
02:40:12 <award3535> he will need to understand that it may be difficult to get it approved without doing this before
02:40:41 <juggler[m]> ah
02:40:50 <award3535> now nb has done one ticket and got it approved so you may want to contact him
02:40:58 <juggler[m]> well I do hope he will read this log. :)
02:41:36 <juggler[m]> regarding nb, understood.
02:42:17 <award3535> there are key items that should be included that will get a strong support
02:42:38 <award3535> usually speaking about Fedora and its project is great
02:43:24 <award3535> if you decide to speak on something off subject you may not get support
02:44:11 <juggler[m]> nb has been tagged in mindshare ticket 82.
02:44:15 <award3535> if you use fedora in a new and innovative manner you will more than likely get support
02:44:55 <award3535> juggler also email him asking him to give his opinion
02:45:14 <juggler[m]> will do
02:45:50 <juggler[m]> #action lajuggler to follow up with nb via e-mail on assisting with facilitating budget for SCaLE17x
02:46:11 <juggler[m]> steelaworkn how are things with the t-shirt ticket?
02:46:55 <steelaworkn> I think the t-shirt thing is on hold until the new logo comes out.
02:47:13 <juggler[m]> ooh there's a new logo??
02:47:22 <steelaworkn> That's my understanding.
02:47:28 <juggler[m]> awesome
02:47:31 <award3535> remember swag is also controlled by mindshare as well
02:48:00 <juggler[m]> and steelaworkn how's the LFNW planning going?
02:48:28 <steelaworkn> I submitted a mindshare #84.
02:48:37 <juggler[m]> I saw.... :)
02:48:41 <steelaworkn> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/84
02:49:15 <steelaworkn> I can go cheap, but I do plan on submitting a talk.
02:49:25 <award3535> also for both tickets keep in mind that you will have to stay on top of it since it may take longer to get approved than previous process
02:49:43 <steelaworkn> My problem is if I do a talk, there will be no one at the booth during that hour.
02:49:49 <juggler[m]> steelaworkn need additional ambassadors? :)
02:50:26 <steelaworkn> Any would be welcome.  Last year I got a surprise I was not expecting.
02:50:55 <award3535> steelaworkn what was that
02:51:03 <juggler[m]> steelaworkn at SCaLE, we usually put a "Be Right Back" type table tent if the booth is unattended while we are at a Fedora Day type event.
02:51:07 <steelaworkn> I had two people drop, one  did not announce himself .
02:51:22 <steelaworkn> That's a good idea
02:52:33 <steelaworkn> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/80 looks like the t-shirt thing was closed.
02:52:56 <juggler[m]> of course, be sure to hide the fancy swag while you're away from the table...heh
02:53:22 <steelaworkn> Like the ear-buds.  People seem to like those.
02:53:58 <juggler[m]> yeah that, the dice, and those things that prop up the cellphones were a hit
02:54:47 <juggler[m]> crossing fingers it goes through ok
02:54:56 <steelaworkn> I think all that remains in the event box is earbuds, one tshirt, and lots of stickers and pens.
02:55:36 <juggler[m]> ouch lol
02:55:38 <steelaworkn> The tabecloth me need cleaned.
02:55:39 <award3535> the ticket was closed by bex, again swag is run by mindshare and without a good sell to the committee
02:56:23 <award3535> it wont get approved
02:56:44 <steelaworkn> I asked for a hundred t-shirts.  Maybe a bit much.
02:56:57 <juggler[m]> steel good luck with that :)
02:57:22 <juggler[m]> I think last year we were lucky if we got like 20 or so....shrug it seemed sparse.
02:57:58 <award3535> ok we are about out of time
02:58:02 <steelaworkn> I was hoping for a new design to incorporate the 15 years of Fedora.
02:58:18 <juggler[m]> the biggest feedback from the community was on how few swag items there were. if we're trying to build a community, there should be some nice things to distribute...
02:58:50 <award3535> thats another topic I think that we need to discuss off line via emails
02:58:50 <juggler[m]> thx award3535 for chairing
02:59:11 <steelaworkn> Yup.  Thanks, sorry for showing up so late.
02:59:24 <juggler[m]> same time next month? :)
02:59:28 <award3535> steelaworkn no worries
02:59:42 <award3535> juggler next month will be your time and day
03:00:01 <juggler[m]> middle of the monthish seems to be working.
03:00:11 <juggler[m]> oh wait, hmmm
03:00:31 <award3535> thats valentines day next month,
03:00:38 <juggler[m]> maybe defer to 2/21
03:00:50 <juggler[m]> week of 2/14 I'm on travel...
03:00:58 <juggler[m]> yeah, i thought of that.
03:01:01 <juggler[m]> ;)
03:01:04 <award3535> what ever you chose and make it west coast friendly
03:01:30 <juggler[m]> hopeful here
03:01:42 <award3535> ok I greatly appreciate the attendance, and I look forward to seeing you all next month.
03:01:45 <juggler[m]> good night all. my cold dinner calls ;)
03:01:49 <award3535> #endmeeting