21:00:08 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
21:00:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 14 21:00:08 2018 UTC.
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21:00:10 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:12 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:13 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:13 <cverna> Hello
21:00:14 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:19 <stickster> o/ cverna
21:00:22 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:00:23 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:00:30 <cverna> \o stickster
21:00:30 <stickster> o/ Ryan
21:00:33 <ryanlerch> this meeting is at a good time now!
21:00:36 <asamalik> ah wow it's already 10!
21:00:38 <asamalik> .hello2
21:00:39 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
21:00:39 <ryanlerch> 0700 :D
21:00:50 <ryanlerch> hi cverna stickster asamalik
21:00:50 <stickster> #chair cverna ryanlerch asamalik
21:00:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
21:02:19 <stickster> OK, #topic Last week's stats
21:02:26 <stickster> nice paul, you can't do that ;-D
21:02:31 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
21:02:49 <asamalik> hey all!
21:03:01 <stickster> o/ Adam!
21:03:03 <cverna> I don't seems to be able to load the magazine's page
21:03:08 <cverna> asamalik: o/
21:03:11 <stickster> huh
21:03:19 <asamalik> \o
21:04:22 <ryanlerch> working for me here
21:04:31 <cverna> ha it works in Epiphany, firefox is not happy An error occurred during a connection to fedoramagazine.org. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
21:04:46 <cverna> might be my slow connection
21:05:12 * asamalik is fighting with that as well
21:05:23 <stickster> Looks up now. Maybe just a burp
21:05:35 <asamalik> 108,706 views
21:05:55 <asamalik> stickster: ^
21:06:04 <ryanlerch> the stats from the release this time really have a long tail
21:06:14 <stickster> #info Week of Nov 05: 108.7K page views, a lot of this is trailing from release week
21:06:26 <cverna> yeah we had the 15y anniversary too
21:06:35 <ryanlerch> F28 was 151K, followed by a more normal 76K week
21:06:37 <asamalik> we shipped Modularity, that's why!!1!
21:06:39 <stickster> #info Oct 31 2018 -- biggest day ever for the magazine, we broke 40K pageviews that one day
21:06:53 <cverna> we have done better than last year already :)
21:06:54 <asamalik> woot!
21:07:04 <stickster> Nov 2018 -- biggest per-day average right now, but this could change of course ;-)
21:07:07 <ryanlerch> F29 was 162 followed by 100k
21:07:44 <stickster> We didn't quite beat May 2018's 400K views, but we got 354.4K in October, and over 220K already in November, with half the month to go ;-)
21:07:49 <ryanlerch> stickster: i think the record is still 43,140 on November 14 2017
21:08:13 <stickster> ryanlerch: Oh nuts, you're right -- I'm not seeing the whole calendar in my display, just "recent"
21:08:20 <stickster> Not bad though.
21:08:27 <ryanlerch> not at all!
21:08:36 <ryanlerch> sorry for being a stickler, stickster
21:08:44 <stickster> nah, keeping us honest ;-)
21:09:07 <stickster> So, let's look at posts
21:09:39 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
21:09:55 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:10:29 <stickster> #info --- Netboot ---
21:10:32 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23143&preview=1&_ppp=1727c81081
21:11:08 <stickster> Good golly, this is a biblical-length post
21:11:10 <cverna> This might need to be splitted
21:11:14 <stickster> cverna: DEFINITELY
21:11:17 <cverna> ha ha yes
21:11:31 <stickster> Over 4000 words!!!!
21:11:34 * cverna keeps scrolling down
21:12:06 <stickster> I don't think we know this is ready to publish yet, either -- revised as recently as yesterday
21:12:15 <stickster> we should wait for a sign ;-)
21:13:11 <ryanlerch> hmmm, it is long
21:13:18 <cverna> should we ask the author to split it ? it might be easier for him to do it
21:13:27 <ryanlerch> however, not sure if its worth splitting it IMHO
21:13:53 <stickster> ryanlerch: would that make it useless as is?
21:14:06 <ryanlerch> while it's long, not sure where to do the splits without making the splits just seem arbitary
21:14:16 <cverna> as a reader I would be discouraged to read this article just by seeing my scroll bar
21:14:36 * stickster notices there's a lot of "output like this" sections that maybe we could trim
21:14:58 <asamalik> could "NFS4 with KRB5 Support" be an article
21:15:10 <asamalik> and this one, without that part, would reference it?
21:15:22 * asamalik is just throwing random ideas
21:16:02 <stickster> asamalik: That's a pretty long segment in the middle. Maybe?
21:16:18 <asamalik> is that something people would be interested in?
21:16:20 <stickster> I think we should consult with the author about it, so no surprises
21:16:25 <cverna> I think it worth asking the author, if he can think of a way to split it
21:16:28 <stickster> asamalik: Sure -- many people have multiple systems in a home env
21:16:31 <asamalik> heah
21:16:34 <cverna> stickster: +1
21:16:36 <asamalik> +1
21:16:38 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
21:16:56 <ryanlerch> sorry for the negativity about splitting
21:17:04 <stickster> asamalik: We could make a case for removing it entirely. ryanlerch: Not at all, you made a good point.
21:17:18 <stickster> asamalik: the author *assumes* people will want them, and that's not a given.
21:17:18 * ryanlerch is almost through coffee +1, so should get less grumpy soon
21:17:23 <stickster> hahahaha
21:17:54 <asamalik> stickster: ah what I meant by "is that something people would be interested in" was a separate article about this
21:17:59 <asamalik> that we'd publish first
21:18:19 <asamalik> and the netboot one would just point to it, so it would be shorter
21:18:40 <stickster> asamalik: agreed -- I understood you
21:19:01 <stickster> but I would also say, the author says in the post itself it's not a necessary part, so it *could* be removed
21:19:13 <stickster> I think if he's written it already, your idea seems better ;-)
21:19:16 <asamalik> ah that's what I didn't get :)
21:19:22 * asamalik is not slow, he's just taking time!
21:20:27 <stickster> #action stickster email author to ask for feedback on ideas
21:20:29 <stickster> (DONE)
21:20:41 <stickster> #undo
21:20:41 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:20:27 : stickster email author to ask for feedback on ideas
21:20:53 <stickster> #action stickster email author of netboot to ask for feedback on ideas to slim down (NFS4/KRB -> separate article)
21:21:01 <stickster> still done ;-)
21:21:30 <asamalik> stickster++
21:22:06 <stickster> #info --- i3 ---
21:22:20 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23176&preview=1&_ppp=86b42b15fa
21:22:31 <stickster> This looks like a pitch that hasn't changed
21:22:55 <cverna> we already have an i3 article ?
21:22:57 <asamalik> so we've had an i3 article
21:22:59 <stickster> Did we cover last time? It looks a lot like https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/
21:23:04 <asamalik> and it's like ther 2nd or 3rd top of all
21:23:13 <cverna> https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/
21:23:17 <asamalik> in terms of pageviews if I remember correctly
21:23:41 <stickster> #proposed #action stickster email i3 pitch author + list to suggest he write something else on i3 or pick a different topic
21:24:09 * asamalik was thinking about a followup, but the existing one covers a *lot* of stuff
21:24:13 <cverna> +1
21:24:27 <stickster> .fasinfo federico95
21:24:28 <zodbot> stickster: User: federico95, Name: Federico Antuña, email: federicoantuna@protonmail.com, Creation: 2018-11-08, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
21:24:31 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
21:24:32 <asamalik> maybe about dwm — a tiling window manager!
21:24:36 <asamalik> +1
21:24:56 <ryanlerch> i think we have also had one about dwm iirc
21:25:15 <ryanlerch> asamalik: ah kinda
21:25:22 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/5-cool-tiling-window-managers/
21:25:55 <asamalik> so picking one from these and going into more details could be a good idea!
21:26:09 <asamalik> should the author be looking for ideas of course :)
21:26:23 <stickster> yeah
21:27:01 <stickster> #action stickster email i3 pitch author + list to suggest he write something else on i3 or pick a different topic
21:27:05 <stickster> (DONE)
21:27:50 <stickster> I think that's it for new stuff in this categor6y
21:28:23 <stickster> #proposed #action put 'll' command post in trash
21:28:59 <stickster> we didn't solicit or approve that one ^ and it's just an explanation of command line options. The author didn't contact us back either.
21:29:25 <asamalik> +1
21:29:46 <asamalik> and we've covered "ls" in the "locating files" article
21:29:48 <ryanlerch> +1
21:29:49 <cverna> +1
21:30:35 <stickster> [3~ #action put 'll' command post in trash
21:30:38 <stickster> oops
21:30:44 <stickster> #action stickster put 'll' command post in trash
21:30:46 <stickster> (DONE)
21:30:57 <stickster> Did the PyPi post go out on communityblog?
21:31:25 * asamalik is checking
21:32:01 <asamalik> I can't find it there
21:32:03 <stickster> I don't think so
21:32:25 <stickster> #proposed #action asamalik copy content from PyPi post to communityblog and get it approved to publish
21:32:29 <cverna> I don't think so, I told phracek about it but I am not sure if he did it
21:32:33 <asamalik> ha
21:32:35 <asamalik> +1
21:32:37 <stickster> hee hee
21:32:43 <cverna> +1 :)
21:32:59 <stickster> [3~ #action asamalik copy content from PyPi post to communityblog and get it approved to publish
21:33:04 <stickster> darn it, stupid keystrokes
21:33:07 <stickster> #action asamalik copy content from PyPi post to communityblog and get it approved to publish
21:33:16 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
21:33:17 <cverna> I think it was publish on opensource.com too
21:33:18 * asamalik really wants to be cool as well and just say (DONE) right now, but is affraid that would melt his keyboard
21:33:26 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
21:33:29 <stickster> ha
21:33:35 <stickster> WOW! there's lots in here.
21:33:59 <ryanlerch> 13 0_0
21:34:28 <cverna> I need to move mine to draft
21:34:47 <stickster> Didn't we approve the captive portal one?
21:35:13 <stickster> I don't see any email outgoing from me about it, maybe I failed here?
21:35:53 <stickster> Oh I did reply! Yay me. I'll ping the author again
21:36:04 <stickster> #action stickster ping captive portal pitch author again
21:36:24 <asamalik> ah I remember talking about this one
21:36:27 <asamalik> I think it's really cool
21:36:41 <stickster> (DONE)
21:37:09 <asamalik> come on!
21:37:47 <stickster> #info --- C# fundamentals ---
21:37:49 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23276&preview=1&_ppp=b7cabb98e1
21:37:53 <stickster> ;-P
21:38:14 <asamalik> that's a very complete pitch and I like it
21:38:15 <stickster> Wow, this is more than a pitch already. Did we review this already? I may have forgotten.
21:38:22 <cverna> we are having to much
21:38:28 <cverna> M$ content :P
21:38:37 * asamalik doesn't remember reviewing this one
21:38:40 <cverna> I think this is new
21:39:28 <cverna> looks like a series of articles :)
21:40:12 <stickster> Hmm, this also talks about Jetbrains Rider which is not free in $$ or freedom sense
21:40:40 <stickster> We should have the author adapt for a more suitable IDE... even VS Code would be better as that's mostly FOSS and $0
21:41:05 <asamalik> yeah
21:41:39 <stickster> #action stickster email author of C# article to have them avoid Rider
21:41:57 <stickster> #proposed #agreed with exception above, C# article pitch is approved
21:42:12 <cverna> +1
21:42:27 <asamalik> +1
21:42:33 <stickster> +1
21:42:36 <ryanlerch> +1
21:42:42 <stickster> #agreed with exception above, C# article pitch is approved
21:45:39 <stickster> The pitch on HDYF doesn't look like it comes from an interviewer. It looks like someone just submitted answers for himself.
21:46:00 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23216&preview=true
21:46:43 <stickster> That's not an immediate no-go, but I worry that we will be overrun by people just looking for a byline, and talking about themselves using the Magazine as a platform.
21:46:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: asamalik: cverna: ^ thoughts?
21:47:26 <ryanlerch> i'm +1 on this
21:47:57 <cverna> yeah +1 we did not have one in a while
21:48:11 <cverna> if we start getting to many we can filter
21:48:19 <asamalik> +1 on the pitch, or +1 on what stickster says? :P
21:48:28 * asamalik is not sure
21:48:30 * stickster has weakly held opinion here, and is fine if others are +1 to publish :-)
21:48:52 <cverna> maybe we can get cproffit to edit it
21:48:55 <ryanlerch> it needs an edit of corse
21:48:57 <ryanlerch> :D
21:49:20 <stickster> cverna: cprofitt has a backlog of HDYF so I think he'd have given us one if he had time
21:49:41 <stickster> #proposed #action $SOMEONE edit HDYF article into proper interview format like cproffit does
21:49:48 <asamalik> I don't think it's promoting the person's projects or anything, and if we don't get those multiple times a week, I think I wouldn't be concerned this time
21:49:49 <stickster> also, I need to spell Charles' name right.
21:49:57 <cverna> stickster: ha ok :)
21:50:01 <stickster> asamalik: Yup, I can be OK with that :-)
21:50:09 <asamalik> so +1
21:50:30 <asamalik> cool
21:50:47 <stickster> Who's the $SOMEONE above? Adam, are you game?
21:50:52 <cverna> the last HDYF was in august so I think this is ok to publish
21:51:28 <asamalik> stickster: why not!
21:51:45 <stickster> #action asamalik edit HDYF article into proper interview format like cproffit does
21:52:08 <asamalik> again not done :/ :D
21:52:13 <stickster> maybe we can get that for Friday?
21:52:23 <stickster> let's see where we are. I have to leave shortly after meeting ends
21:52:26 <asamalik> sure
21:52:56 <stickster> [5~#info 2 pitches from Ryan: "installing a web app using GNOME Web" and "Dash to dock extension"
21:52:57 <asamalik> I think it should be quick! ;)
21:52:59 <stickster> darn it
21:53:02 <stickster> #info 2 pitches from Ryan: "installing a web app using GNOME Web" and "Dash to dock extension"
21:53:16 <ryanlerch> i can get dash to dock done for wednedday
21:53:21 <stickster> \o/
21:53:29 <ryanlerch> its just a feature overview one
21:53:54 <stickster> #info --- web app install with GNOME Web ---
21:53:55 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23287&preview=true
21:54:06 <cverna> +1
21:54:09 <asamalik> +1
21:54:23 <stickster> sounds simple... I think this has been around a bit but not many people know you can do it. +1
21:54:28 <asamalik> first I didn't get why would you do that, but it's SO convenient for IM apps for example!
21:54:31 <stickster> #agreed web app install pitch approved
21:54:35 <stickster> asamalik: exactly!
21:54:39 <ryanlerch> yeah, its a nifty feature
21:54:43 <stickster> #info --- dash to dock extension ---
21:54:51 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23285&preview=true
21:54:51 <ryanlerch> gives a seperate alt-tab item too
21:55:20 <stickster> I don't even know what this extension does, tbh, but we often have cool extensions featured, so this is an insta+1 for me.
21:55:28 <cverna> +1
21:55:32 <asamalik> it shows the dock on the desktop
21:55:49 <asamalik> and if I remember correctly, you can mouse scroll to switch workspaces which is super handy
21:55:49 <stickster> Ohhhh like you'd see in some other DE or OS
21:55:50 <asamalik> +1
21:55:55 <ryanlerch> stickster: the docks in the overview is put on the desktop, and adds a bunch of additional features too
21:55:56 <stickster> yup, it's on
21:56:03 <stickster> #agreed dash to dock pitch approved
21:56:25 <stickster> #action ryanlerch Write dash to dock article for Wed Nov 21
21:56:39 <stickster> We'll have to cover others later
21:56:43 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
21:56:57 <asamalik> yeah
21:57:05 <stickster> asamalik: if you can do yours for Friday, and ryanlerch can do his for Wednesday, I'll meet you in the middle and write something for Monday
21:57:16 <asamalik> deal
21:57:40 <ryanlerch> woo!
21:57:49 <stickster> sumantrom[m]: I'm putting your old Kernel test day pitch in the trash since the day came and went. If we missed this on our watch, we apologize and hope you'll come back with another test day article :-)
21:58:13 <stickster> #action stickster pick a starter pitch or other article and provide for Mon Nov 19
21:59:00 <stickster> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING: Fri Nov 16, HDYF (asamalik) -- Mon Nov 19, TBA (stickster) -- Wed Nov 21, Dash to dock extension (ryanlerch)
21:59:23 <stickster> cverna: you'll get yours, don't worry ;-D
21:59:33 <stickster> ryanlerch: asamalik: cverna: ^ +/-1?
21:59:37 <cverna> haha I stay quiet
21:59:40 <ryanlerch> +1
21:59:42 <cverna> +1
21:59:54 <asamalik> ah +1 !
21:59:57 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING: Fri Nov 16, HDYF (asamalik) -- Mon Nov 19, TBA (stickster) -- Wed Nov 21, Dash to dock extension (ryanlerch)
22:00:01 <stickster> #topic All other business
22:00:07 * asamalik has nothing
22:00:16 <stickster> Hey, I'm going to need a substitute chair next week. I'll be on PTO all week.
22:00:25 <asamalik> I've already signed up!
22:00:32 <ryanlerch> asamalik++
22:00:32 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for asamalik changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
22:00:34 <stickster> asamalik: YAY!!! you rock Adam
22:00:35 <cverna> stickster: enjoy your time off :)
22:00:45 <stickster> #info asamalik will chair next week, much appreciated
22:00:45 <cverna> asamalik++
22:00:51 <asamalik> cookies!!
22:00:58 <stickster> OK, that's it folks. Thank you for coming cverna asamalik ryanlerch !
22:01:03 <stickster> asamalik++
22:01:09 <cverna> my cookie jar is already empty :(
22:01:09 <ryanlerch> stickster: thanks for chairing
22:01:13 <stickster> #endmeeting