20:04:25 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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20:04:27 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:04:29 <asamalik> .hello2
20:04:30 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
20:04:30 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:04:35 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:04:35 <ryanlerch> .hello
20:04:37 <zodbot> ryanlerch: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
20:04:40 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:04:43 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:04:44 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:05:42 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch asamalik
20:05:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik ryanlerch stickster
20:05:45 <stickster> #topic Last week stats
20:05:57 <cverna> hello o/
20:06:01 <stickster> #chair cverna
20:06:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
20:06:04 <cverna> thanks for the ping :)
20:06:34 <stickster> #info Week of October 1: ~71.4K page views, a little down from 77K but still very good
20:08:02 <stickster> all's well there, I guess :-)
20:08:23 <stickster> We can go ahead and look at posts to see where things are at :-)
20:08:37 <cverna> we are having great stats recently :)
20:08:47 <stickster> the topics have been pretty strong
20:09:24 <stickster> There's nothing currently in Pending Review, so...
20:09:28 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
20:09:32 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
20:10:14 <stickster> #info --- 15 years of Fedora ---
20:10:19 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21118&preview=1&_ppp=50412fea08
20:10:27 <stickster> Looks like sub_pop has this well underway
20:11:08 <ryanlerch> woah, this is looking good!
20:11:18 <asamalik> I really like it!
20:11:27 <stickster> Yeah, this will be a lot of fun when we publish it.
20:11:32 <cverna> yes looks amazing
20:11:41 <stickster> Do we have a target date for this?
20:11:54 <cverna> 6 of november ?
20:12:32 <stickster> Right, November 6 is a Tuesday, and also a week or two after F29 release (depending on whether we use the rain-date)
20:12:47 <cverna> or do we have a special article for the birthday date
20:13:13 <stickster> I think this is it. There's another article with interviews that Link is working on as well, IIRC
20:13:15 <cverna> There will be others article related to it
20:13:31 <stickster> So we can have a two-fer
20:13:49 * stickster thinks we should publish these a day apart or something like that... to get lots of momentum out of the birthday
20:13:57 <cverna> sounds good to me :)
20:14:20 <asamalik> Tuesday 6th + Wednesday?
20:14:35 <stickster> asamalik++
20:14:37 <asamalik> that could be cool
20:14:37 <cverna> +1
20:15:00 <asamalik> 🍪 🍪 🍪
20:15:03 <ryanlerch> +1
20:15:04 <stickster> #agreed set up birthday look back at FC1 on Tuesday 6th Nov, interview retrospective on Wed 8th Nov
20:15:27 <stickster> #info --- using find ---
20:15:29 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22806&preview=1&_ppp=8dbc789f00
20:15:30 <cverna> was there going to be a FC1 iso available ?
20:15:38 <stickster> cverna: I think you can still get it on archive
20:15:51 <stickster> sorry, should have asked if we were done
20:16:07 <cverna> stickster: it is ok let's move on
20:16:48 <asamalik> cverna: we could do a video overview and publish it on youtube with the article :D
20:16:49 <stickster> no worries cverna -- but the link to that is here if desired: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/1/
20:17:07 <stickster> asamalik: that would be super-cool
20:17:36 <ryanlerch> asamalik: +1 that does sound awesome
20:17:44 <asamalik> ha ok, let me take an action then
20:17:53 <cverna> hey 3 iso :) https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/1/x86_64/iso/
20:17:53 <stickster> So about the current draft, which is an article on 'find'... it looks like just a pitch, since the person didn't write anything :-( and I don't see a post to the list about it either
20:17:54 <ryanlerch> idon't think we do regular ivdeos anymore
20:17:58 <asamalik> and I'll coordinate with x3mboy to publish the video on November 6
20:18:23 <stickster> cverna: yup, before DVD-ROM was the standard
20:18:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: this wold be a good quick itp article
20:18:32 <cverna> stickster: :)
20:18:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: indeed
20:18:58 <ryanlerch> maybe a series on little commandline quick tips?
20:19:14 <stickster> I don't want to pull it from a contributor... maybe we could do a few other command line utilities, and leave this for a bit in case they come back?
20:19:23 <ryanlerch> i'm always googling for the find command syntax
20:19:43 * stickster used to use it *all* the time in previous job so it's burned into his skull
20:19:44 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds +1
20:19:58 <stickster> what are some other utilities we could cover?
20:20:06 <cverna> +1
20:20:14 <stickster> * xargs
20:20:23 <stickster> * head/tail
20:20:24 <cverna> awk
20:20:39 <cverna> maybe sed /awk together
20:20:53 <stickster> cverna: yeah, although you'd practically need a regex article first
20:21:09 <stickster> well, maybe not for awk. But sed is so often used for those replace needs
20:21:31 <cverna> indeed actually a regex article would be nice
20:21:31 <stickster> * cat/tac
20:21:44 <stickster> cverna++ that could almost be a series unto itself.
20:22:06 <asamalik> ah yeah
20:22:08 <stickster> * cut
20:22:15 <asamalik> a series "the power of simple cmdline utilities"?
20:22:45 <ryanlerch> yeah, i'm more thinking of how to do x
20:22:49 <stickster> ahh
20:22:54 <ryanlerch> super simple qucik tips
20:23:01 <stickster> I have some particular use cases in mind, such as for xargs
20:23:18 <ryanlerch> but it could go either way i suppose
20:23:26 <asamalik> ryanlerch: ah that's what I meant
20:23:39 <ryanlerch> :D
20:23:45 <asamalik> specific things
20:24:03 <stickster> like "I need to do the following to each of these files"... "I need to send an individual form email to each of the following people"
20:24:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: should we brainstorm some use cases instead? we're in need of article topics, because the well is a bit dry this week
20:25:20 * stickster thinks the cat/tac article is probably self explanatory... "You may already know that you can 'cat' a file, but did you know you can 'tac' it backward?"
20:25:27 <stickster> that's an easy use case :-)
20:25:50 * cverna did not know about tac :)
20:26:22 <ryanlerch> is grepping too simple?
20:26:58 <stickster> Not too simple, but it could get really complex too, i.e. a follow-up article... but again needs regex for the good complex stuff
20:28:02 <stickster> "Find a US phone number" could be interesting, since it could appear in many formats
20:28:11 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:28:34 <stickster> ryanlerch: do you want to make some "empty shell" articles for these ideas?
20:28:42 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:29:04 <stickster> We ought to have an article that just says how to connect commands together using a pipe
20:29:34 <cverna> bowlofeggs: has been using gnu parallel for his CI pipeline maybe he can do a quick article on it too
20:29:38 <stickster> find and xargs work well on that.
20:29:52 <stickster> I feel like we had something on parallel before...
20:30:00 <stickster> maybe not! I don't see it in the search
20:31:23 <stickster> Oh wait -- I was searching improperly: https://fedoramagazine.org/edit-images-parallel-imagemagick/
20:31:23 <ryanlerch> stickster: added a few pitches for this stuff
20:31:29 <stickster> ryanlerch: neat! thanks
20:32:58 * stickster adds a few more
20:33:58 <stickster> OK, there's one other pitch article here
20:34:27 <stickster> #info --- make Workstation feel like a Mac ---
20:34:33 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22789&preview=1&_ppp=8aecc87d81
20:34:56 <stickster> Again, totally blank so it looks like a pitch and not a submission. And no word from the author on it. But what do people think of the idea?
20:35:07 <cverna> that can be a cool article
20:35:28 <ryanlerch> i'm kinda two minds about something like this
20:35:31 <cverna> I am +1 I think people like to read on how to customize their desktop
20:36:23 <bowlofeggs> cverna: i actually just stopped using it, but only because i'm using python now and don't need it anymore
20:36:27 <bowlofeggs> but yeah i could still write about it
20:36:30 <bowlofeggs> ☺
20:36:50 <asamalik> I think I'm +0 on this
20:37:02 <cverna> bowlofeggs: we already had an article about it so you are safe :P https://fedoramagazine.org/edit-images-parallel-imagemagick/
20:37:25 <stickster> I don't mind customization at all. The one thing I'm iffy on is how much we want to give tips on how to make your Fedora system less recognizable as Fedora
20:37:26 <ryanlerch> yeah, i'm probablt -1 on this
20:37:28 <bowlofeggs> heh
20:37:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: i think an article about themeing is a +1
20:38:10 <ryanlerch> i need to add that pitch :)
20:38:13 <asamalik> ryanlerch++
20:38:13 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 12 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:38:49 <ryanlerch> but the "make it look like windows or osx" is just asking for trouble
20:38:56 <cverna> yes I guess we need more details in the pitch
20:38:58 * asamalik remembered his 3d desktops and windows on fire from ~10 years ago
20:39:23 <ryanlerch> bring back wobbly windows
20:39:30 <asamalik> yes! :D
20:39:39 <asamalik> well no, but still!
20:39:43 <ryanlerch> ;)
20:41:06 <ryanlerch> in this current state, i think this pitch is a -1, right?
20:41:43 <cverna> yes
20:41:44 <asamalik> yeah I tend to agree with ryanlerch
20:42:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: yeah, agreed
20:42:15 <stickster> -1 from me
20:42:16 <ryanlerch> i also dont think we want to endorse wholesale copying of another interface of another OS
20:42:25 <stickster> that's a good line to draw.
20:45:55 <ryanlerch> schedule is lookinga little bare still though :(
20:47:27 <cverna> I still have the VS code Live Share article to do, but I won't have time to work on it before next week
20:49:03 <stickster> sorry folks -- I had an IRC conversation on the side I had to take.
20:49:31 <stickster> We need something for this Friday. is someone interested in doing one of the commandline quick tips articles?
20:49:43 <stickster> Next week is wide open too :-\
20:50:01 <stickster> #agreed Pitch for how to Mac-ize Fedora is turned down
20:50:31 <cverna> Next week we have one of the make your web page fast article at least
20:51:01 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can do my video editor roundup post for say next wednesday
20:51:08 <cverna> maybe we can push that friday too
20:51:40 <cverna> that being the design faster web pages part 2
20:51:55 <stickster> cverna: We can do the part 2 article next Wednesday for instance
20:52:23 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^ or next Friday... I wouldn't want to do it right on the heels of part 1
20:52:47 <stickster> I can do something for Monday, but doing something for Friday is going to be very difficult. I have too much else on my plate at the moment until the weekend.
20:52:56 <cverna> yeah I am fine with next week
20:52:57 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
20:53:13 <stickster> #idea faster web pages part 2 - Fri 2018-10-19
20:53:23 <stickster> #idea video editor roundup - Wed 2018-10-17
20:53:47 <ryanlerch> +1
20:53:47 <stickster> ryanlerch: I could probably do a commandline quick tip for this Friday -- that wouldn't take more than 30 minutes to write
20:54:13 <stickster> ryanlerch: could you do an image for that? It usually takes me longer to do that, than to write an article
20:55:11 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure!
20:55:26 <ryanlerch> i'll try to make it so we can do setail versions fo the image too
20:55:28 <stickster> asamalik: do you have any idea for an article for Monday?
20:56:10 <cverna> would be nice to have a newsy article
20:56:23 <asamalik> stickster: I'm thinking..
20:57:29 <cverna> fedora-messaging 1.0 was just release would that be worth a magazine article ? or that's more for the community blog
20:57:42 <cverna> it is aim to replace fedmsg in fedora infra
20:58:54 <asamalik> cverna: yeah that's probably for the comm-blog
20:59:33 <stickster> yeah
20:59:36 * asamalik bangs his head on the wall
20:59:39 * stickster is running out of time before he has to leave
20:59:46 <cverna> I don't think we ever did an article on podman vs docker
21:00:05 <asamalik> cverna++
21:00:09 <cverna> we had a buildah article but not on podman
21:00:11 <stickster> asamalik: What about a cool extension from extensions.gnome.org?
21:00:19 <stickster> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/906/sound-output-device-chooser/ looks neat
21:00:40 <asamalik> stickster: or that, sure!
21:01:06 <stickster> if you have a box with a couple sound cards, that should be demo'able
21:01:15 <asamalik> I also like the podman idea
21:01:23 <asamalik> stickster: I do, yeah
21:01:24 <stickster> podman++ -- that would be WAY better
21:01:26 <stickster> sorry I missed it
21:01:35 <stickster> asamalik: we'll leave that up to you!
21:01:51 <asamalik> let me do the podman one
21:02:06 <asamalik> and we should save the extensions article for future
21:02:38 <cverna> cool I saw on twitter that podman let's you resume containers after a reboot
21:02:39 <stickster> #proposed #agreed SCHEDULE: Fri 2018-10-12: commandline quick tip (stickster) -- Mon 2018-10-15: podman (asamalik) -- Wed 2018-10-17: Faster webpages part 2 (stickster edit) -- Fri 2018-10-19: Video editors (ryanlerch)
21:02:44 <asamalik> and I can try to do an image for it as well
21:02:44 <stickster> ^ look good?
21:03:02 <asamalik> stickster: +1
21:03:06 <cverna> +1
21:03:21 <ryanlerch> +1
21:03:26 <stickster> #agreed SCHEDULE: Fri 2018-10-12: commandline quick tip (stickster) -- Mon 2018-10-15: podman (asamalik) -- Wed 2018-10-17: Faster webpages part 2 (stickster edit) -- Fri 2018-10-19: Video editors (ryanlerch)
21:03:36 <stickster> OK, I gotta run folks! Sorry to "do and dash" :-)
21:03:39 <stickster> #endmeeting