05:30:18 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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05:30:18 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
05:30:18 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:30:18 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2018-10-09
05:30:38 <mfabian> ☺
05:30:42 <vishal_vvr> hi
05:30:47 <tagoh> hi
05:30:53 <pwu> hi
05:32:01 <paragan> #chair mfabian vishal_vvr tagoh pwu
05:32:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian paragan pwu tagoh vishal_vvr
05:32:03 <juhp> hi👋
05:32:03 <suanand> hi ..
05:32:52 <paragan> #chair juhp suanand
05:32:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp mfabian paragan pwu suanand tagoh vishal_vvr
05:32:53 <paragan> Hi all
05:33:17 <paragan> Let' start the meeting
05:33:33 <paragan> we will check the upcoming F29 schedule now
05:33:35 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:33:36 <paragan> #info 2018-10-09 	Final Freeze (*)
05:33:36 <paragan> #info 2018-10-10 	Update of the AppStream data
05:33:36 <paragan> #info 2018-10-23 	Fedora 29 Final Release (GA) (Preferred target)
05:33:36 <paragan> #info 2018-10-30 	Fedora 29 Final Release (GA) (Target #1)
05:33:54 <paragan> So today is F29 Final freeze
05:34:04 <fujiwarat> hi
05:34:18 <paragan> if you are still planning any last minute change then right now is the chance to push it to F29
05:34:22 <paragan> #chair fujiwarat
05:34:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pwu suanand tagoh vishal_vvr
05:34:46 <paragan> #info http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/29/final/buglist
05:35:25 <paragan> I see there are 2 F29 FE bugs related to i18n
05:35:27 <paragan> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625142
05:35:46 <paragan> fix is pushed to updates-testing repository for this bug
05:36:35 <juhp> But realistically I suppose only things in updates-testing now can pushed to f29 tag?
05:36:41 <paragan> the other one is gtk3 bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632981
05:37:02 <juhp> (I mean without an exception)
05:37:23 <mfabian> paragan: Testing the first one on Fedora-Workstation-netinst-x86_64-29-20181008.n.0.iso ...
05:37:34 <paragan> right we need either get stable karma today  or later and based on that raise exception to add fixed packages in frozen compose
05:37:36 <juhp> I tested 1625142 earlier (with packages from koji) - lgtm now
05:37:46 <juhp> paragan: okay
05:38:32 <paragan> aha thanks for testing it quickly
05:40:00 <paragan> I think there is no fix yet for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632981
05:40:01 <juhp> But I hope more people can test
05:40:10 <juhp> Right
05:40:16 <juhp> fujiwarat: do you have any news on that?
05:40:32 <fujiwarat> I have nothing.
05:42:15 <juhp> Anyway very good that forward-key-event seems fixed now
05:42:33 <juhp> Having to reboot to type space is pretty back
05:42:36 <juhp> bad
05:43:19 <paragan> this one is waiting input from the reporter -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625269
05:44:43 <juhp> Yeah, I think it is fixed, no?
05:44:47 <pwu> any upstream issue for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632981?
05:45:01 <juhp> pwu: it is linked in the bug
05:45:12 <pwu> aha, thanks
05:45:27 <juhp> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1365
05:45:54 <paragan> Good that Gnome 3.30.1 megaupdate already in stable and will be part of F29 Final freeze
05:45:56 <juhp> Not sure if there are any more related issues?
05:46:01 <juhp> aha
05:48:27 <paragan> Okay if not more issue to discuss
05:48:37 <paragan> lets move
05:49:09 <paragan> #topic Outstanding issue
05:49:09 <paragan> #info #102: Docs Beats for Fedora 29 (pnemade)
05:49:09 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/102
05:50:07 <juhp> vishal_vvr: did you open a ticket for liberation2?
05:50:49 <vishal_vvr> juhp, not yet
05:50:59 <vishal_vvr> doing it right away
05:51:08 <juhp> please
05:51:24 <fujiwarat> Does anyone succeed to build release-notes with build.sh ?
05:52:29 <fujiwarat> I don't yet; https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/190
05:52:33 <paragan> I still have not got time to look into the current docs process, will look it soon
05:53:22 <paragan> I see tagoh also added his Change release notes in the ticket
05:53:28 <fujiwarat> ok
05:53:39 <paragan> only Liberation is remaining now
05:53:42 <tagoh> yep
05:54:12 <paragan> vishal_vvr, after you open the ticket, do add the release notes text for your Change in the ticket
05:54:37 <vishal_vvr> paragan, ok thanks
05:56:42 <juhp> fujiwarat: docker is working on your machine?
05:57:06 <juhp> fujiwarat: it worked for me
05:57:20 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, systemctrl status is fine.
05:57:31 <fujiwarat> Built build.sh does not output anything.
05:57:32 <juhp> fujiwarat: you can run fedora say?
05:57:38 <fujiwarat> yes
05:57:42 <juhp> hmm
05:57:51 <juhp> fujiwarat: I just succeeded to build anyway
05:58:15 <juhp> as in: `docker run -it fedora` ?
05:58:27 <fujiwarat> juhp: Did you get html files in release-notes/public/* ?
05:58:40 <juhp> fujiwarat: yes
05:58:59 <juhp> And the build is very fast once image came down
05:59:06 <fujiwarat> juhp: Probably I'm trying in f28 and probably I should try f29.
05:59:16 <juhp> I am also on f28
05:59:23 <fujiwarat> oh
05:59:28 <juhp> I removed sudo though
05:59:38 <juhp> since my docker is setup to work without it
06:01:46 <paragan> good if we start using podman :)
06:01:57 <juhp> sure
06:02:58 <paragan> let's move to next ticket?
06:03:21 <juhp> please
06:03:33 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
06:03:33 <paragan> #info #97: Replace comps language support groups with weak dependencies (petersen)
06:03:33 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/97
06:04:15 <paragan> juhp, do you want to tell us about this ticket?
06:04:24 <juhp> Ah, okay
06:04:36 <paragan> should we try changing comps for F30?
06:04:50 <juhp> well it has been there for a while - anyone want to drive it for f30? :)
06:04:55 <juhp> The idea is to
06:05:24 <juhp> get rid of all the remaining language groups (eventually anyway) and replace with weak deps
06:05:48 <juhp> as far as possible
06:06:25 <paragan> so we want to add Suggestions: for optional font/IME for related langpacks-<xx>?
06:06:30 <juhp> I don't think we need to aim for 100% removal in first instance, gradual stepping stones would be fine
06:07:08 <paragan> but we need to also take care not to increase any additional fonts or Live iso size
06:07:13 <juhp> More Recommends(?) for default packages
06:07:21 <juhp> right
06:07:31 <juhp> I think optional should be dropped
06:08:00 <tagoh> what sort of packages are currently in lang groups btw?
06:08:03 <juhp> Actually I have no idea really why we even bother still with optional comps... other than as a "reference label"
06:09:27 <juhp> I think they have not changed a lot: mostly fonts, IMEs, utils (langpacks gone hopefully)
06:09:31 <juhp> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/blob/master/f/comps-f30.xml.in
06:10:20 <juhp> search for <langonly>
06:10:35 <juhp> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/blob/master/f/comps-f30.xml.in#_121
06:10:44 <juhp> (Arabic for example)
06:11:29 <paragan> hm Pagure is slow from here
06:11:53 <juhp> I think mandatory packages could even go into langpacks itself??
06:13:22 <juhp> lepcha requires m17n-db hmm :-|
06:14:05 <paragan> juhp, yes mandatory packages can go to langpacks
06:14:06 <juhp> I guess one question is do we want to decouple IMEs from fonts say
06:14:11 <juhp> okay
06:15:34 <juhp> well Recommends might be sufficient for IMEs say
06:15:57 <paragan> okay
06:16:12 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule
06:16:14 <tagoh> we should already have minimal sets of fonts packages in fonts group but apparently fonts in lang groups is too much. need to figure out if all of those is really needed to keep in default or not
06:16:40 <juhp> tagoh: true
06:17:11 <juhp> Basically deadline for System Wide Changes is end of December
06:17:18 <juhp> for F30
06:18:06 <juhp> This can also be broken up by types of package (font or not) and even by language
06:18:16 <juhp> So several people could work on it
06:18:19 <juhp> I am interested anyway
06:18:54 <tagoh> I'm willing to help for fonts.
06:18:56 <juhp> paragan, tagoh: maybe we 3 could work on it?
06:18:58 <juhp> great
06:19:07 <paragan> okay, we can even discuss the later on :)
06:19:13 <juhp> yeah
06:19:19 <paragan> thanks juhp for adding your idea here
06:19:28 <paragan> lets move?
06:19:32 <juhp> 30 seems a good time
06:19:44 <paragan> yes
06:19:56 <paragan> moving
06:20:02 <paragan> #info #100: Fedora 27 Bug triaging (pnemade)
06:20:02 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/100
06:20:48 <paragan> #info The bug list for Fedora 27 is https://da.gd/xRxzJ
06:22:06 <paragan> hope QE will help further to triage them
06:22:20 <paragan> the current count is 35 bugs
06:23:09 <paragan> moving...
06:23:58 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:24:15 <paragan> anyone got anything to discuss here?
06:25:11 <juhp> Any f27 bugs that can be moved to newer release?
06:26:24 <juhp> mfabian: ibus-table legend support is an RFE?
06:27:02 <juhp> I see you just moved it :-)
06:28:34 <mfabian> Yes, that is a feature request.
06:28:42 <mfabian> Something like prediction for ibus-table.
06:28:50 <juhp> everyone please move your bugs from 27 if that makes sense
06:28:56 <juhp> okay
06:29:05 <juhp> mfabian: I added FutureFeature
06:29:10 <mfabian> Not sure what to do with the backtraces, they are not reproducible.
06:29:37 <juhp> if they are 27 only then probably shrug
06:29:59 <juhp> other than requesting info
06:31:16 <paragan> closing now
06:31:24 <paragan> Thanks all who came to this meeting
06:31:28 <paragan> #endmeeting