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05:31:04 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:31:04 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2018-09-25
05:31:04 <paragan> #
05:31:15 <mfabian> ☺
05:31:27 <tagoh> hi
05:31:35 <pwu> hi
05:33:00 <paragan> #chair mfabian tagoh pwu
05:33:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian paragan pwu tagoh
05:33:23 <suanand> hi
05:34:15 <paragan> #chair suanand
05:34:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian paragan pwu suanand tagoh
05:34:23 <paragan> let's start the meeting
05:35:08 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:35:09 <paragan> #info 2018-09-25 	Beta Release (Target #1)
05:35:09 <paragan> #info 2018-10-09 	Final Freeze (*)
05:35:40 <paragan> Fedora 29 Beta release got slipped to its target#1 date now
05:35:55 <paragan> its new release date is on coming Tuesday
05:36:35 <paragan> anyone got any issues to discuss for Fedora 29?
05:36:37 <vishal_vvr> hi
05:37:05 * paragan checks for bugs status
05:37:12 <mfabian> The forward key event bug is very bad.
05:37:22 <mfabian> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625142
05:37:33 <mfabian> Yesterday it was again rejected as a blocker.
05:37:48 <juhp> hi
05:38:00 <paragan> mfabian, for Final release blocker?
05:38:21 <mfabian> I checked again  that ibus-hangul is default for Korean and one runs into that bug immediately after  an installation in Korean.
05:38:24 <paragan> okay I can see its proposed for F29 final release blocker
05:39:02 <mfabian> https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2018-09-24/f29-blocker-review.2018-09-24-16.05.txt
05:39:38 <paragan> okay
05:39:46 <mfabian> * (1625142) In Gnome Wayland, forward-key-event does not work well,
05:39:46 <mfabian> breaks space key completely  (adamw, 17:00:29)
05:39:46 <mfabian> * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1625142   (adamw,
05:39:46 <mfabian> 17:00:29)
05:39:49 <mfabian> * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW  (adamw, 17:00:29)
05:39:52 <mfabian> * AGREED: 1625142 - punt (delay decision) - we'd like some more
05:39:56 <mfabian> information on exactly when this happens, and particularly if
05:39:56 <fujiwarat> I think several patches are needed to fix it and I think another idea would be to revert the original patch of forward-key-event.
05:39:59 <mfabian> ibus-typing-booster is used by default for any language, before
05:40:02 <mfabian> making a decision  (adamw, 17:14:23)
05:40:04 <paragan> so that bug now need more information to be provided
05:40:12 <adamw> it wasn't rejected
05:40:13 <mfabian> Therefore, I asked whether ibus-typing-booster is default for anything.
05:40:18 <adamw> punt is a 'we didn't make a decision yet'
05:40:31 <mfabian> But even if ibus-typing-booster isn’t, ibus-hangul is certainly default.
05:40:36 <juhp> adamw++
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05:40:50 <mfabian> Thank you Adam!
05:40:54 <mfabian> adamw++
05:40:54 <zodbot> mfabian: Karma for adamwill changed to 8 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
05:41:00 <juhp> mfabian: it is not
05:41:21 <juhp> Any progress upstream on the review?
05:41:24 <adamw> it'll automatically get reviewed again next monday, so please just add as much useful context as you can to the bug, it'll help us decide
05:41:36 <juhp> I think if it is not merged, we will not see it in Fedora...
05:42:02 <fujiwarat> No progress, I think.
05:43:13 <mfabian> fujiwarat: If the new patches cannot get into Fedora, reverting to how it was in Fedora 28 is better than the current situation.
05:43:14 <juhp> fujiwarat: you may be right that is it better to revert if that is acceptable
05:43:39 <juhp> Does that have any other consequences?
05:44:43 <juhp> mfabian: btw you said it also affects X Gnome?
05:44:59 <mfabian> Yes, I was surprised but apparently it does.
05:45:20 <fujiwarat> I think the reverting the original patch is no risk.
05:45:36 <juhp> Okay then good to propose that as you did
05:45:41 <mfabian> When entering something with typing-booster or ibus-hangul into the "enter command" dialog, it happens even in Gnome-Xorg. (endless  loop)
05:45:42 <fujiwarat> I think the forward-key-event bug exists in GNOME Wayland only.
05:45:52 <juhp> I think we could reassign to carlosg?
05:46:02 <juhp> or fmuller?
05:47:50 <mfabian> juhp: Probably carlosg.
05:50:10 <juhp> Done
05:50:16 <paragan> good to add some more information on that bug
05:50:26 <juhp> That is also there now
05:50:44 <paragan> juhp, thanks
05:50:56 <juhp> adamw: do you think it is sufficient info now? :)
05:51:06 <mfabian> paragan: Wouldn’t typing-booster be a better  default than ibus-m17n for Indian languages?
05:52:08 <adamw> so to be clear: you all agree that Korean is affected out of the box, but no other language is?
05:52:14 <paragan> mfabian, it can be but as per Government standard we have some default keymaps to use for languages
05:52:30 <juhp> adamw: correct
05:52:39 <adamw> that's the most important thing i guess, thanks
05:52:45 <juhp> Yep
05:53:08 <mfabian> adamw: Yes, that seems right.  I just tried  Vietnamese because the Vietnamese input method ibus-bogo is also affected  by this bug, but ibus-bogo seems not to be default after a Vietnamese installation.
05:53:19 <juhp> paragan: well keymap and IM is really different things
05:53:20 <adamw> ok
05:54:00 <mfabian> paragan: ibus-typing-booster uses the same keymaps as ibus-m17n, it only adds completion.
05:54:08 <juhp> mfabian: maybe we should pull in bogo as a "langpack" for vi
05:54:11 <paragan> juhp, yes IM can provide more functionality compared to keymap
05:54:20 <mfabian> paragan: The inscript2 keymaps are the goverment standard, right?
05:54:29 <paragan> yes
05:55:24 <paragan> mfabian, if you want to propose to make them default then I am fine
05:55:39 <juhp> mfabian: might be interesting to explore that change for F30
05:55:41 <mfabian> paragan: ibus-typing-booster defaults to the inscript2 keymaps for the Indian locales.
05:56:04 <mfabian> juhp: Yes, I think it is no disadvantages but some extra features.
05:56:18 <juhp> I long thought we should have Indic IMEs - well that partly led to the creation of typing-booster perhaps
05:56:31 <mfabian> ibus-bogo is not installed after a Vietnamese installation. Is that on purpose?
05:57:27 <juhp> mfabian: I guess it would be on a netinstall
05:57:45 <juhp> mfabian: just the usual story we don't have a way to do that yet
05:58:06 <juhp> It is in @vietnamese-support
05:58:19 <mfabian> juhp:  I tried an installation  from live because I could do that faster (netinst takes much longer on my machine  due to the download)
05:58:36 <juhp> Right you won't get it for Live - live install is static
05:58:48 <mfabian> On top of that, something seems broken with the repos at the moment.
05:59:46 <juhp> (Also it is being proposed to drop the Workstation os tree for F30, but of course netinstalls will still be possible)
06:00:47 <mfabian> [mfabian@Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-2 ~]$ sudo dnf install  langpack-vi
06:00:47 <mfabian> [sudo] mfabian のパスワード:
06:00:47 <mfabian> Fedora Modular 29 - x86_64                                              0.0  B/s |   0  B     00:10
06:00:47 <mfabian> エラー: Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'fedora-modular'
06:00:50 <mfabian> [mfabian@Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-2 ~]$
06:00:50 <juhp> When we get langpack installation working in Gnome - we can start thinking about additional IMEs etc
06:00:53 <mfabian> 
06:01:01 <mfabian> I think that prevents me from doing netinstalls at the moment.
06:02:35 <tagoh> mfabian: you may need to update fedora-repos package perhaps?
06:04:04 <mfabian> tagoh: I tried a netinst using  Fedora-Workstation-netinst-x86_64-29-20180923.n.0.iso and it gave an error  on the page after the language selection, not being able  to find the repos.
06:04:56 <juhp> paragan: shall we move on?
06:05:23 <paragan> okay
06:05:49 <paragan> mfabian, try again and see if problem goes, maybe some mirror repo issue
06:06:08 <paragan> #topic Outstanding issue
06:06:08 <paragan> #info #102: Docs Beats for Fedora 29 (pnemade)
06:06:08 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/102
06:06:21 <paragan> we have worked on 3 Changes this release
06:06:25 <paragan> we should document them
06:06:37 <juhp> mfabian: seems okay for me here
06:07:10 <paragan> I see IBus and CJK not fonts Change already have their own tickets in fedora-docs repo
06:07:28 <juhp> We need to do a PR?
06:07:43 <juhp> A reminder would be helpful
06:07:51 <juhp> of the process I mean
06:07:58 <paragan> I think bcotton missed fedora-docs ticket for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Liberation_Fonts_2
06:08:16 <juhp> Should we ask?
06:08:48 <paragan> We can also create ticket there
06:09:26 <juhp> Okay the process is in the tickets
06:09:37 <juhp> True...
06:09:43 <paragan> vishal_vvr, please report release notes ticket for Liberation fonts Change to https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issues
06:10:30 <paragan> vishal_vvr, see https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/102
06:11:21 <juhp> vishal_vvr: maybe ask bcotton first?
06:11:58 <vishal_vvr> juhp, sure will ask him first
06:12:01 <juhp> Perhaps because it was quite late submission
06:12:13 <paragan> probably
06:13:21 <paragan> so either individual Change owners if want can submit PR to https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes for their Change or if you want me to create PR then do tell me so
06:14:16 <paragan> any questions on this? if not we can move to next ticket
06:15:51 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
06:15:51 <paragan> #info #97: Replace comps language support groups with weak dependencies (petersen)
06:15:51 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/97
06:15:56 <juhp> tagoh: do you want to add some details to https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/195 ?
06:16:26 <tagoh> juhp: sure. will do
06:16:33 <juhp> fujiwarat: details for https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/190 ?
06:16:35 <juhp> great thanks
06:17:14 <fujiwarat> I have a plan to push relnotes.
06:17:30 <juhp> good thanks :+1:
06:17:38 <juhp> Please
06:18:32 <juhp> When is the right time to address the language groups?
06:18:40 <fujiwarat> pwu: Maybe better to note hangul default mode.
06:18:58 <juhp> It might be a good feature for F30?
06:19:02 <juhp> fujiwarat: good point
06:19:28 <pwu> fujiwarat: the patch is not merged.
06:19:42 <juhp> I think that is fujiwarat's point :)
06:20:00 <juhp> or did we patch fedora?
06:20:04 <fujiwarat> Probably I can describe it together with ibus core.
06:20:17 <juhp> sure
06:20:37 <pwu> not patched Fedora yet.
06:20:49 <juhp> mfabian: ibus-bogo could be a good testcase for IME langpacks
06:20:54 <fujiwarat> I guess it's an intention.
06:21:03 <mfabian> juhp: Yes.
06:21:04 <juhp> Right
06:21:16 <mfabian> juhp: You said the netinst works for you??
06:21:24 <pwu> shall I put notes in https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issue/190 for ibus-hangul?
06:21:28 <juhp> mfabian: I said it should work :)
06:21:38 <juhp> mfabian: I meant dnf update works for me
06:22:24 <mfabian> juhp: I get this for about a week now: https://imgur.com/a/4uUMn9r
06:22:37 <mfabian> "Error setting up base repository"
06:23:50 <fujiwarat> pwu: Probably you can update git but not sure.
06:23:55 <juhp> pwu: sure you can comment of course - though I guess strictly it is not part of ibus-1.5.19 - maybe too much overhead to a have a separate ticket for that
06:24:22 <juhp> mfabian: maybe you have a bad mirror? as tagoh suggested, dunno
06:25:01 <pwu> juhp: let me comment in the ticket for ibus-hangul.
06:25:05 <juhp> mfabian: I meant netinstall should pull in ibus-bogo today
06:25:23 <juhp> .whoowns ibus-bogo
06:25:24 <mfabian> juhp: I’ll try that as soon as netinst works again for me.
06:25:25 <zodbot> juhp: owner: tuanta
06:25:38 <mfabian> juhp: Maybe I have some network problems ...
06:26:10 <juhp> Most people do Live install anyway I suppose
06:26:47 <mfabian> juhp: And after a live install, dnf update doesn't work for me, probably same reason why the netinst doesn't work.
06:27:05 <juhp> how about ibus-cangjie?  dunno if any other IME should be pulled in for any langs?
06:27:34 <juhp> mfabian: yeah sounds bit strange - which mirror?
06:27:52 <juhp> mfabian: you could override the mirror in anaconda
06:28:27 <mfabian> juhp: Maybe I should try without vpn, sometimes this makes a difference.
06:29:34 <paragan> we have reached one hour time.
06:30:01 <paragan> Let's close the meeting and you can continue discussion in #fedora-i18n
06:30:26 <paragan> before closing anyone got any other issue to present here?
06:32:12 <paragan> Thank you all for coming to this meeting
06:32:15 <paragan> #endmeeting