00:59:51 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 00:59:51 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jul 27 00:59:51 2018 UTC. 00:59:51 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 00:59:51 <zodbot> The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:59:51 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:59:51 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 00:59:53 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 00:59:53 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:05 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:02:10 <award3535> standing by..... 01:03:12 <paradoxguitarist> o/ 01:03:22 <award3535> #chair paradoxguitarist 01:03:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 paradoxguitarist 01:03:28 <award3535> welcome PG 01:03:34 <paradoxguitarist> Hey award3535 01:03:42 <paradoxguitarist> Not sure how long I can stay 01:03:53 <paradoxguitarist> but glad I could make it 01:03:59 <award3535> i dont think we will have anybody else here anyway 01:04:10 <paradoxguitarist> whelp 01:04:23 <award3535> end of the summer everyone is getting back to school and last minute vacations 01:04:27 <paradoxguitarist> that may be 01:04:30 <paradoxguitarist> yeah 01:05:37 <award3535> although my kids are grown and gone, I sometimes have the grandkids around, they just left to go home 01:05:50 <award3535> a block away 01:06:03 <jwf> .hello jflory7 01:06:04 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com> 01:06:05 <paradoxguitarist> nice 01:06:21 <award3535> #chair jflory7 01:06:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jflory7 paradoxguitarist 01:06:30 <jwf> Good evening o/ 01:06:39 <award3535> #chair jwf 01:06:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jflory7 jwf paradoxguitarist 01:06:50 <award3535> evening jwf long time no see 01:07:17 <jwf> Yeah, it's been a while for me 01:07:25 <jwf> Being an hour behind helps a little for me too 01:07:55 <award3535> jwf since your here lets move on to announcements 01:08:06 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:08:23 <award3535> jwf do you have anything? 01:08:49 <jwf> Just one off the top of my head! 01:09:05 <jwf> #info === "[Week 9-10] GSoC Status Report for Fedora App: Abhishek Sharma" === 01:09:07 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/week-9-10-gsoc-status-report-for-fedora-app-abhishek-sharma/ 01:09:19 <jwf> #info Another weekly update on the on-going development of an official Android app for the Fedora Project 01:09:29 <jwf> This one I think is cool to mention just because it's making a lot of traction 01:09:42 <jwf> Will be easier to keep up with things like Fedocal, Fedora Magazine, etc. for Android devices :-) 01:09:51 <jwf> I believe they're expecting a soft launch at the end of this summer 01:09:53 <jwf> <eof> 01:10:43 <award3535> jwf do you have any news on when mindshare committee will be voting on events 01:10:52 <linuxmodder> .hello2 01:10:53 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com> 01:10:58 <award3535> in otherwords finalizing the documents 01:11:06 <linuxmodder> as an outside observer and former famna member 01:11:27 <award3535> linuxmodder, good to see you, and thanks for showing up 01:11:41 <jwf> I missed the last Mindshare meeting, but I haven't seen any ticket for it specifically: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issues 01:11:44 <linuxmodder> not a group member tho so not voting on anything 01:12:12 <award3535> linuxmodder, yes I did not put you in as a chair, I respect your wishes 01:12:28 <linuxmodder> award3535, pm? 01:12:40 <jwf> award3535: Documents as in the new event policy? 01:13:21 <award3535> jwf yes and the guidelines for the committee on the number of votes to approve an event 01:14:07 <jwf> award3535: For the new event policy, I believe it is already in place per the discussion on the Ambassadors mailing list in April, but I agree it should be better documented. I planned to bring this up at the Mindshare session at Flock 01:14:26 <jwf> As for number of votes to approve an event, I haven't seen any discussion yet on this – I might have missed it though 01:14:54 <award3535> jwf the process was targeted for june this year, its now almost august 01:15:11 <jwf> award3535: I might suggest filing a ticket with any unanswered questions before Flock – this will be really helpful for the Committee to cover during the Flock session. https://pagure.io/mindshare/new_issue 01:15:36 <linuxmodder> I seem to remember nb mentioning that at the mindshare for the very little of it I was in 01:15:56 <jwf> award3535: I'm a little disappointed by how slow things have moved, but I hope we can cover the activity of this group and how to move more quickly at Flock, when we are sitting in the same room 01:15:56 <linuxmodder> or was that the funding I forget 01:16:40 <award3535> linuxmodder, it was funding, and there should be some guidance out soon I hope 01:17:58 <award3535> jwf I hope that flock will finalize things, because I believe that we have not pushed for things because we are not sure of the process and what their standards are going to be 01:19:02 <jwf> award3535: I agree that direction at the Ambassador level is unclear 01:19:40 <jwf> award3535: I think the most helpful thing is if you can file a ticket with some of your unanswered questions, so we can use that to drive the session at Flock. I anticipate our session being a ticket-driven meeting, and we will likely try to clear through the cruft of what has piled up 01:19:41 <paradoxguitarist> Yeah 01:20:01 <jwf> And hopefully address some of the bigger things too, like the responsiveness of this committee and how to move more quickly 01:20:39 <award3535> jwf, we would have liked to attend OLF this year but the travel part of the process we were told that travel is not going to be easy anymore 01:21:04 <award3535> and yes I will file a ticket asking the questions that are unanswered 01:21:11 <jwf> Hmm, I might have missed this discussion if it came up in a meeting 01:21:23 <jwf> Great, thanks award3535 01:21:35 <jwf> I really think that will help at Flock, and I will do my best to champion some of these things there too 01:22:52 <award3535> jwf I got that during some phone calls that basically told me that most of the ambassadors outside of the US didnt like that we had to travel more than they did and it ate the budget more than it should have 01:23:30 <award3535> I am going to shift to open floor we have no tickets 01:23:41 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:23:50 <linuxmodder> award3535, sidebar post mtg ? 01:24:24 <award3535> linuxmodder sure not a problem 01:24:36 <jwf> Without knowing the details of the phone calls, it is hard for me to say – but generally, the idea I have understood is that travel should not be a blocker for Fedora attending events and participating in ways that have an impact in the project 01:24:38 <linuxmodder> I've been out of the loop so long now, I have a LATAM event media request in Sept anything form famna approaching 01:24:54 <jwf> Perhaps there was some miscommunication over that, but I am only guessing since I don't know all the details 01:25:46 <jwf> But travel alone is not something I have seen discouraged, not if it is for an event where (1) there is value for Fedora to be there, and (2) sourcing the necessary people / resources is required to make the event successful 01:27:07 <award3535> jwf I wouldnt expect you too, but I was quite shocked to have that told to me by a couple of individuals, and yes I understand that, I had gone through some real eyeopening events because to the in between timing and what they want to hear and see at events 01:27:52 <linuxmodder> I'll take that as a no 01:27:57 <award3535> its pretty hard pushing server and atomic at a community event with mostly hobbyists attending 01:28:20 <award3535> linuxmodder I can support a sidebar post meeting 01:28:36 <linuxmodder> award3535, I meant about event media 01:28:46 <linuxmodder> award3535, not even 01:29:12 <jwf> award3535: I think the encouragement is to try and find more events where we are finding an audience receptive to what we are promoting and sharing 01:29:19 <linuxmodder> push that with a NAS server mindset and clients or makerspace logic to a mesh net 01:29:20 <jwf> It's tricky, but I think it's doable 01:29:26 <award3535> linuxmodder we have nothing in the near future for FAmNA as event wise 01:29:34 <linuxmodder> ack 01:31:10 <award3535> jwf I agree, much easier in LATAM and Europe than the US since the events are shrinking and getting less attention 01:31:31 <linuxmodder> I'll refrain from comment on that 01:32:03 <linuxmodder> beyond saying it's more a mindset issue 01:32:53 <jwf> I'm not sure it is that different in Europe than the US. I can't speak for LATAM because I have no experience there. But I think we might have to think out of the box on who we are reaching out and engaging with 01:33:02 <jwf> It might mean going to new places and events we haven't considered before 01:33:13 <jwf> And maybe it is a total bomb, even if we think it would be successful 01:33:19 <jwf> But perhaps we find one that clicks really well 01:33:47 <jwf> I think the Mindshare Committee / Council are supportive of thoughtful experimentation, even if the outcome isn't necessary a clear, black and white "success" 01:35:47 <award3535> linuxmodder I agree to a point, the last event I spoke to a number of individuals who were professionals and when modularity, atomic and server, they just said they were not interested or even cared about it, so it made me think that maybe the focus on this was in the wrong direction 01:36:19 <linuxmodder> Professionals in what space? 01:36:38 <award3535> linuxmodder, sysadmins 01:36:59 <award3535> jwf so how do you measure a successful event 01:37:04 <linuxmodder> dare I call them amatuers and short sided then 01:37:27 <jwf> award3535: How to measure success is something I would like to see more guidance from Mindshare with 01:37:30 <award3535> linuxmodder I agree, sometimes we get that at these events 01:38:10 <jwf> I've experimented with some events I've organized, but I don't feel like I have conclusive findings. So I'd like to get feedback from a wider group, which is why I think Mindshare should take point in providing ideas on how to measure event success 01:38:16 <award3535> jwf, that is what the problem has been, there is no clear cut guidance or how the data needs to be collected 01:38:27 <jwf> But there are the other things we talked about prior I hope we can directly focus on at Flock 01:38:40 <jwf> award3535: I hear you there 01:38:41 <linuxmodder> award3535, for a encore consider the snapshot and pentest/ Blue/green logic and well hey Atomic is a insanely lean way to base those green/blue environments and modularity is bandwidth freidnly and can be a catalyst for internal dev change 01:39:35 <jwf> I'd also like to see more involvement of Objective leads / teams to help promote the "marketing" bits to the Ambassadors and Marketing teams 01:39:36 <award3535> linuxmodder, that is why we need you back in the mix..... 01:39:59 <linuxmodder> ah no not at events 01:40:09 <linuxmodder> travel and I are liek oil and water 01:40:32 <award3535> jwf, this all goes back to the basics of effective communications between teams 01:40:42 <linuxmodder> don't be talkign like that award3535 people might take it as gospel 01:40:55 <jwf> award3535: I agree 01:41:07 <linuxmodder> I may even be in the midst of another move anyway 01:41:37 <jwf> Communication was one of the reasons I think Mindshare came about, but I'm hoping we can work through some of the slowdowns at Flock 01:41:39 <award3535> linuxmodder, I know that I can ask questions and help from you supporting the events, if you do not want to attend I can still pick that brain of yours 01:42:04 <linuxmodder> nope that is forbidden 01:42:05 <linuxmodder> :P 01:42:34 <jwf> I hate to cut out, but I'm getting ready to head to bed soon – 04:30 wake-up alarm for tomorrow 01:42:51 <award3535> jwf right now the process is still broken, and I have read alot of logs and seen little to no progress 01:43:38 <paradoxguitarist> Night jwf 01:43:42 <jwf> award3535: I am also disappointed by the slow progress – of which I am partially to blame, which is also why I am handing over my CommOps seat for the next two release cycles because I don't have the same time I once had. But I am hoping we can address this as the elephant in the room at Flock 01:43:47 <jwf> Anyways, I am heading off for the night 01:44:00 <jwf> award3535: Please make sure to file that ticket, and I promise I will do my best to rep this discussion at Flock :-) 01:44:06 <jwf> paradoxguitarist: Good night! 01:44:09 <jwf> And night all o/ 01:44:18 <award3535> I think that we can end the meeting now anyway 01:44:36 <award3535> unless anyone has anything else 01:44:50 <paradoxguitarist> Not I 01:45:13 <award3535> linuxmodder? 01:45:51 <linuxmodder> nope 01:46:44 <award3535> ok, thank you for attending, I will announce the next meeting dates as soon as I find out when FAmNA west chair is going to schedule one 01:47:22 <award3535> #endmeeting