05:30:29 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:30:29 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:30:29 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:29 <tagoh> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2018-06-26
05:30:36 <mfabian> ☺
05:30:58 <epico> hi
05:31:08 <pravins> hi ☺️
05:31:10 <bbarve> hi
05:31:14 <fujiwarat> hi
05:32:12 <tagoh> #chair mfabian epico pravins bbarve fujiwarat
05:32:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: bbarve epico fujiwarat mfabian pravins tagoh
05:32:48 <tagoh> parag is away today so I'm running i18n meeting today
05:34:56 <suanand_> hi
05:35:23 <tagoh> #chair suanand_ juhp
05:35:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: bbarve epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian pravins suanand_ tagoh
05:35:36 <tagoh> okay, let's get started.
05:35:39 <juhp> hi
05:35:47 <tagoh> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:35:48 <tagoh> #info 2018-07-03        Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
05:35:48 <tagoh> #info 2018-07-11        Mass Rebuild
05:35:48 <tagoh> #info 2018-07-24        Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
05:35:48 <tagoh> #info 2018-07-31        Software String Freeze
05:36:12 <tagoh> change proposal deadline for system-wide is coming.
05:37:03 <tagoh> will follow it up on later session though, just keep it in mind if you are planning to submit any proposal
05:37:56 <tagoh> #topic No assignee issues
05:37:57 <tagoh> #info #98: Hackathon during flock 2018 (pravins)
05:37:57 <tagoh> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/98
05:38:12 <tagoh> any updates on this topic?
05:38:55 <tagoh> pravins: ^
05:39:04 <pravins> oops
05:39:18 <juhp> I know pravins has proposed a session on test automation
05:39:40 <pravins> i will add that link to this ticket.
05:39:42 <pyadav> hi
05:39:44 <juhp> I am also thinking to propose something but I haven't finalized yet
05:40:05 <pravins> my present proposal only talk about QE test automation using OpenQA.
05:40:12 <tagoh> pravins: thanks
05:40:14 * linuxmodder lurks
05:40:37 <juhp> Flock Round 2 selection starts on: 2 July 2018
05:40:45 <linuxmodder> !  announce for OpenFloor
05:40:57 <juhp> pravins: ah yes
05:41:22 <pravins> but did not heard any selection from round-1
05:41:38 <juhp> Maybe soon?
05:42:17 <pravins> hope so.
05:43:14 <pravins> tagoh: overall, we were early planning for whole i18n hackathon but not it turned out to be smaller hackfests.
05:43:24 <pravins> Alex Eng also proposed workshop on Zanata
05:43:24 <juhp> suanand_ also proposed Transtats talk I think?
05:43:28 <juhp> https://pagure.io/flock/issues
05:43:32 <tagoh> aha
05:43:50 <suanand_> yeah, issue #31 and #38
05:44:41 <pravins> https://pagure.io/flock/issue/33 is for test automation
05:45:41 <juhp> I think a hackathon/fad like session would be positive
05:46:22 <pravins> +1
05:46:55 <tagoh> anything else from us for proposal?
05:47:06 <juhp> pravins: half-day talk? :)
05:47:26 <juhp> or you mean discussion?
05:47:35 * tagoh added links in the ticket.
05:47:56 <pravins> half-day hackfest, now talk :)
05:48:04 <pravins> s/now/not
05:48:11 <juhp> okay
05:48:17 <pravins> tagoh: thank you 👍
05:48:25 <pravins> tagoh++
05:48:25 <zodbot> pravins: Karma for tagoh changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
05:49:47 <linuxmodder> pravins,  may I make a request at open floor ?>
05:49:55 <juhp> pravins: maybe we could broaden to i18n workshop? I don't want to remove your momentum/focus on OpenQA?
05:50:03 <juhp> linuxmodder: how about now?
05:50:19 <juhp> s/?$//
05:50:35 <juhp> linuxmodder: is it about Flock?
05:50:48 <linuxmodder> no but i18n
05:51:07 <juhp> okay, then maybe OpenFloor better, thanks
05:52:18 <juhp> I didn't know Fedora OpenQA already tests Japanese input
05:52:25 <pravins> juhp: i am fine with that.
05:52:56 <pravins> linuxmodder: yes
05:53:13 <juhp> I mean I can also propose a i18n workshop but maybe better to join forces efforts perhaps I thought?
05:53:44 <pravins> yeah, got your point. I think good to initial propose on same ticket and see what Bex suggesting.
05:54:04 <juhp> Though I can't think of anything higher priority than automated testing right now really and also depends who will be present...
05:54:10 <pravins> in fact from facilities perspective, it will be easy for organizers as well.
05:54:11 <tagoh> guess it depends on the scope?
05:54:17 <juhp> indeed
05:54:22 <juhp> pravins: right
05:54:40 <juhp> Let me add a comment first and we can discuss more there and maybe rename the ticket?
05:54:55 <pravins> sure
05:56:56 <tagoh> anything else?
05:57:04 <juhp> Suggestions are welceom though for the scope :)
05:57:07 <juhp> welcome
05:57:28 <tagoh> right
05:58:15 <juhp> What is our other highest priority (priorities) for F29+ that could benefit from work at Flock?
06:00:25 <epico> fonts and OSK?
06:01:03 <juhp> epico: aha
06:01:36 <juhp> epico: any particular for fonts?
06:02:27 <juhp> Or I could ask for suggestions for the hackfest title? :)
06:02:47 <juhp> Particularly from those planning to attend :)
06:03:36 <epico> maybe pango, and we discuss about font components together.
06:03:43 <juhp> okay
06:04:08 <juhp> pravins: do you have particular focus/goal for the OpenQA at Flock?
06:04:27 <juhp> anyway I don't want to take up too much time here, though it is important
06:05:13 <juhp> I thought something like "i18n development and OpenQA test automation"
06:05:33 <pravins> juhp: yeah, automating IME, installation/post installation.
06:05:34 <juhp> of course development is very broad...
06:05:41 <juhp> pravins: i see
06:05:46 <tagoh> we could update the title once we decide more detailed scope later
06:05:52 <juhp> so not particularly fonts this time?
06:05:55 <juhp> sure
06:05:58 <pravins> and also see, if we can create some good framework for fonts test automation
06:06:14 <pravins> nope, not font specific.
06:06:43 <pravins> For fonts planning some different than OpenQA, it might be simple script or some existing framework.
06:06:45 <epico> how about development plan for Fedora 29+?
06:06:53 <pravins> yeah, that can be good title.
06:06:54 <juhp> I posted a comment
06:07:00 <juhp> epico: aha
06:07:14 <juhp> epico: feel free to comment with ideas on the ticket
06:07:20 <epico> okay
06:07:47 <tagoh> yep
06:07:51 <pravins> thanks juhp
06:08:05 <tagoh> okay, let's move on to the next topic then
06:08:20 <tagoh> #info #99: Tracker for Fedora 29 Changes (pnemade)
06:08:20 <tagoh> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/99
06:08:31 <juhp> ERRTOOMANYMAYBES ;)
06:08:33 <juhp> sure
06:09:09 <tagoh> just updated the ticket though, thanks for submitting ibus 1.5.19 proposal.
06:09:25 <tagoh> anything else proposals for f29 from us?
06:09:51 <juhp> tagoh: apart from yours? :)
06:10:05 <tagoh> I was about to submit one for noto though, would be nice to review it if anyone has a time
06:10:10 <tagoh> juhp: yes
06:13:03 <tagoh> as pointed out on the schedule, the deadline for system-wide proposal is in one week. still have a time for self contained though, please make sure if you are planning to submit any.
06:14:11 <tagoh> move on to the next topic then
06:14:14 <tagoh> #info #100: Fedora 27 Bug triaging (pnemade)
06:14:14 <tagoh> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/100
06:14:43 <juhp> fujiwarat: is it already in Rawhide?
06:15:35 <fujiwarat> juhp: Sorry, which bug are you talking about?
06:15:46 <tagoh> juhp: I can see 1.5.18 only in koji. so guess not yet?
06:16:00 <juhp> fujiwarat: I meant the new emoji UI
06:16:28 <fujiwarat> juhp: Ah, ok, it's available in rawhide and copr f28.
06:16:35 <juhp> thanks
06:17:48 <tagoh> 63 i18n-related bugs for f27 keeps open.
06:18:42 <tagoh> nice to have a little time to triage them and move to the appropriate release if needed.
06:19:12 <fujiwarat> Now the ibus internal patch of emoji rendering using harfbuzz was deleted in rawhide.
06:19:25 <juhp> fujiwarat: aha
06:19:30 <juhp> tagoh: yes
06:20:22 <tagoh> #info #101: Fedora 29 i18n test day  (pnemade)
06:20:22 <tagoh> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/101
06:20:55 <tagoh> guess nothing to discuss about test day so far?
06:21:56 <tagoh> good to start working on updating/improving test cases earlier though
06:22:32 <tagoh> #topic Open Floor
06:22:50 <tagoh> okay, so anything else we want to discuss prior to close this meeting?
06:23:39 <tagoh> linuxmodder: do you have anything?
06:24:24 <linuxmodder> Was gonna ask for help with Issues 9 and 10 from https://pagure.io/Free-Media/Housekeeping/issues
06:24:51 <linuxmodder> mostly translating and promoting in less served regions
06:25:13 <linuxmodder> would be a massive help to FranciscoD and I
06:25:47 <linuxmodder> tagoh,  pravins ^
06:25:56 <tagoh> #link https://pagure.io/Free-Media/Housekeeping/issue/9
06:26:03 <juhp> https://pagure.io/Free-Media/Housekeeping/issue/10
06:26:17 <juhp> I need #link ?
06:26:28 <tagoh> juhp: maybe not
06:27:02 <linuxmodder> juhp,  to show in the logs later in the quick and dirty section yes but not  to merely show in the logs
06:27:29 <linuxmodder> / #link is akin to #action somenick sometask
06:27:41 <juhp> linuxmodder: #9 does not seem to be i18n?  or is it?
06:28:18 <juhp> more an organizational things - sounds like a question for Ambassadors?
06:28:35 <linuxmodder> it's tied to others namely the existence of those choices in #10
06:29:16 <linuxmodder> and having it in other  langs  as such so as to promote and make more responsive to all
06:29:30 <juhp> linuxmodder: I think posting to the l10n team is the right step
06:29:39 <juhp> linuxmodder: yes
06:29:50 <linuxmodder> l10nor i18n ?
06:30:13 <juhp> but nothing we help directly with #9 I think
06:30:21 <juhp> linuxmodder: l10n ;)
06:30:34 <tagoh> localization
06:30:36 <juhp> where team = list
06:30:39 <pravins> linuxmodder: for #9, i think good to have centralize ticket, since if we split then we need more eyes to keep track of it. (P.S Not related with this meeting)
06:30:41 <linuxmodder> maybe I'm conflating the SIGs then
06:31:22 <epico> pravins: +1
06:31:25 <juhp> Does Localization still have regular meetings?
06:31:25 * pravins commented.
06:31:55 <pravins> juhp: nope, jibec conducted few meetings but not heard anything after that.
06:31:59 <juhp> linuxmodder: Fedora i18n doesn't do translation
06:32:04 <juhp> okay
06:32:44 <linuxmodder> so l10n does translations then ?>
06:32:53 <juhp> linuxmodder: trans@lists.fedoraproject.org
06:32:58 <epico> linuxmodder: please ask l10n team.
06:32:59 <juhp> yes
06:33:03 <linuxmodder> if so what is i18n then as I'm obviously conflating SIGs
06:33:20 <linuxmodder> juhp,  will do
06:33:20 <juhp> linuxmodder: we work on fonts, rendering, input methods etc
06:33:31 <juhp> cool
06:33:35 <juhp> linuxmodder++
06:33:35 <zodbot> juhp: Karma for linuxmodder changed to 6 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
06:33:39 <linuxmodder> ah my bad and sorry for the noise
06:33:43 <juhp> no worries
06:34:12 <linuxmodder> any ideas on readable fonts for  those forms are always welcome tho
06:34:46 <juhp> linuxmodder: link?
06:35:11 <linuxmodder> juhp,  mostly #10 mentioned here
06:35:23 <linuxmodder> the freemedia form
06:36:01 <juhp> yeah I see the git repo...
06:37:47 <tagoh> okay, anything else we want to discuss?
06:38:19 <juhp> linuxmodder: default fonts may be okay
06:38:30 <juhp> for other languages I mean
06:38:41 <linuxmodder> nfm and sorry for the unrelated noise
06:38:57 <juhp> it;s quite okay
06:39:13 <juhp> Glad we could help
06:40:24 <tagoh> should we have another name to avoid confusion? but anyway
06:40:38 <juhp> for this meeting?
06:40:43 <juhp> oh I have one topic
06:40:50 <juhp> revamping #fedora-i18n
06:40:56 <juhp> hehe
06:41:01 <tagoh> or the SIG name
06:41:13 <juhp> To what though?
06:41:49 <juhp> Maybe I should open a ticket for that discussion
06:42:39 <juhp> #fedora-g11n seems to be just a msgbus flood...
06:42:39 <tagoh> to make our work obvious in the name or so. it may becomes not simple though
06:42:56 <tagoh> hm, right
06:42:58 <juhp> Maybe another ticket...
06:43:43 <juhp> that = #fedora-i18n ...
06:44:30 <tagoh> though I don't see much discussions on the channel
06:45:21 <tagoh> juhp: if we need to take an action immediately, please go ahead otherwise good to open a ticket and discuss in next meeting?
06:45:46 <juhp> not urgent
06:46:06 <juhp> The two topics seem connected though
06:46:19 <juhp> I am not opposed to rebranding, *if* we can come up with a better name :)
06:46:38 <juhp> The channel still exists ...
06:46:41 <tagoh> indeed
06:46:58 <juhp> A few hardcore holdouts lol
06:47:36 <tagoh> hehe
06:47:58 <juhp> So maybe the name discussion should come first...
06:48:11 <juhp> Though I am struggling
06:49:00 <tagoh> okay, let's stop here then
06:49:15 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:49:16 <juhp> It's a perennial problem but I don't know if there is a good solution - good to discussion ideas anyway
06:49:19 <juhp> thanks
06:49:28 <tagoh> #endmeeting