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20:00:15 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:00:18 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:00:20 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:00:20 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:00:36 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch x3mboy sub_pop cverna ryanlerch[m] sub_pop[m]
20:00:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch ryanlerch[m] stickster sub_pop sub_pop[m] x3mboy
20:00:48 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:00:49 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:00:51 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:00:52 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:02:07 <stickster> o/ folks!
20:02:13 <ryanlerch> hey hey!
20:02:35 <stickster> I'm going to have to run away at the end of this meeting, strangely early gig in town tonight
20:03:21 <stickster> So.... let's go for it!
20:03:23 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:03:55 <stickster> #info Week of June 4: ~61.2K pageviews, slightly down from ~68.7K week before but not shabby
20:04:42 <stickster> Right now we're on pace for *maybe* a 250K month, so any added goodies are welcome, we can explore that at the end of the meeting if that's OK with everyone
20:05:24 <ryanlerch> sounds good to me!
20:05:41 <stickster> #info cprofitt++ for HDYF article, ksinny++ cverna++ for RasPi, sumantro++ for Test Days article!
20:05:41 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for sumantro changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:05:59 <ryanlerch> cprofitt++
20:06:13 <ryanlerch> sumantro++
20:06:13 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for sumantro changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:06:18 <ryanlerch> cverna++
20:06:30 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
20:06:42 <ryanlerch> the Raspi one is going good atm it seems too
20:06:51 <stickster> For sure
20:06:54 <stickster> #info --- Fedora Classroom QA 101/102 ---
20:07:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21678&preview=1&_ppp=07b9fd6728
20:08:22 <stickster> This looks like a no brainer, we haven't had a Classroom post in a while. This is from Alberto Sanchez (bt0dotninja)
20:08:37 <stickster> +1 from me
20:08:38 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 from me!
20:08:54 <ryanlerch> looks pretty solid
20:09:29 <stickster> bt0: Are you around?
20:09:35 <stickster> .fasinfo bt0dotninja
20:09:36 <zodbot> stickster: User: bt0dotninja, Name: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, email: hotgalan@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-07-25, IRC Nick: bt0, Timezone: America/Mexico_City, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E74B5808, Status: active
20:09:39 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: ambassadors dotnet-team marketing fi-apprentice commops fedora-mx cla_done cla_fpca
20:10:43 <stickster> It looks like sumantro may be the instructor for this Classroom?
20:11:03 <stickster> It happens next week so we should probably get this out sooner rather than later
20:11:24 <ryanlerch> yeah, a candiadte for tomottow maybe?
20:11:29 * stickster notes the QA 101/102 syllabus might already appear in an existing article in the past
20:11:51 <stickster> Yes! https://fedoramagazine.org/?s=classroom
20:12:37 <stickster> sub_pop: Are you up to a 10-minute edit job? If so, you could copypasta the "what will be covered" from those articles into this one, and fill in info from the wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom to complete it
20:12:57 <sub_pop> When does it need to publi?
20:13:02 <sub_pop> publish*?
20:13:20 <stickster> We already have an image. Agreed with ryanlerch this could go out tomorrow, or Friday at latest (classroom is on the 19th, so that's next Tuesday)
20:13:30 <sub_pop> And I don't have editor permissions.
20:13:35 <stickster> I can fix that!
20:13:42 <stickster> *bang* *crash* *hammer hammer*
20:13:49 <sub_pop> But I could probably do a quick edit tonight, yea.
20:14:16 <stickster> done
20:14:17 <sub_pop> It's basically a make-this-one-look-like-the-rest job?
20:14:21 <stickster> sub_pop: precisely
20:14:22 <ryanlerch> shouldnt we vote on sub_pop getting permissions
20:14:27 <ryanlerch> :D
20:14:33 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yes, you should definitely vote! :-D
20:14:39 <sub_pop> haha
20:14:42 <ryanlerch> +1/2
20:14:50 <stickster> Hang on while I get all the other prospective editors to stop blocking the polls
20:14:54 <ryanlerch> i mean +10
20:14:56 <sub_pop> lol
20:15:09 <sub_pop> You mean ±?
20:15:16 <ryanlerch> sorry, i'm still mid-coffee
20:15:26 <stickster> lol. I'm +1, obviously
20:15:38 <stickster> OK, done
20:15:45 <stickster> #agreed sub_pop makes a great editor
20:15:56 <stickster> #action sub_pop immediately inherits a 10-minute task, that's what you get
20:16:26 <sub_pop> d-^_^-b
20:16:27 <stickster> #agreed minor fixes and this Classroom article is ready to publish
20:16:32 <stickster> ha, I love that emoticon
20:17:02 <stickster> #info --- Pipenv ---
20:17:09 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21647&preview=1&_ppp=b6070b76bb
20:17:19 <stickster> This one also looks like a great choice, esp. since it covers some Python stuff
20:17:31 <stickster> .fasinfo mcyprian
20:17:33 <zodbot> stickster: User: mcyprian, Name: Michal Cyprian, email: mcyprian@redhat.com, Creation: 2015-07-02, IRC Nick: mcyprian, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:17:35 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: ambassadors python-packagers-sig python-sig fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca
20:18:07 <sub_pop> I'd like to see it cover, at least briefly, the format of Pipfiles.
20:18:09 <stickster> Could use a bit more text / context
20:18:10 <ryanlerch> oh python stuff++
20:18:14 <stickster> sub_pop++
20:18:15 <sub_pop> And how to use it.
20:18:32 <sub_pop> Maybe that screenshot needs to turn into some <code> blocks instead.
20:18:54 * stickster assumes this is unfinished still, and we should reach out to the author
20:18:56 <sub_pop> But definitely +1 on this. pipenv is a nice tool.
20:19:16 <stickster> sub_pop: good point -- although the colors are a nice touch here. needs a smaller terminal screenshot so you can read it more easily.
20:19:23 <stickster> ^at least.
20:19:40 <ryanlerch> cverna is our python guru...
20:19:40 <sub_pop> Yea, though pipenv is a rather chatty little program.
20:19:58 <sub_pop> But it's hip enough to use emoji in its output, so that's cool.
20:19:58 <stickster> that dark blue on dark, yikes. Yeah, I think I'm with you sub_pop -- <pre> that sucker.
20:20:01 * ryanlerch nominates cverna for edits =Þ
20:20:24 <sub_pop> Maybe wait until the author confirms it's complete?
20:20:52 <stickster> yeah, this is in as a draft but we could use more here
20:21:11 <ryanlerch> but +1 to this post from me anyways
20:21:33 <stickster> +1 from me
20:21:36 <sub_pop> Oh oops. I thought it was still a pitch.
20:21:51 <stickster> it's in draft but I think that may be just an unintentional bypass of process
20:22:05 <stickster> anyway, it sounds like we're all on board with having it, right? sub_pop?
20:22:17 <sub_pop> yep
20:22:17 <stickster> oh I missed +1 above -- all good
20:22:36 <stickster> #agreed Editors approve pipenv, article needs some more drafting though
20:22:53 <stickster> #action stickster email author + list to request some more material and let them know we'll publish quickly after edit
20:23:10 <stickster> #action stickster ping cverna to see if he'll try on editor role for this
20:24:06 <stickster> #info --- Using LVM to make upgrades safer ---
20:24:12 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21621&preview=1&_ppp=f8e7282bd5
20:24:35 <stickster> 😯 This looks like an AMAZING topic
20:24:45 <sub_pop> Agreed.
20:24:55 <ryanlerch> yeah +1
20:25:05 <stickster> .fasinfo sdgathman
20:25:06 <zodbot> stickster: User: sdgathman, Name: Stuart D Gathman, email: stuart@gathman.org, Creation: 2008-08-12, IRC Nick: sdgathman, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 063FA7E4, Status: active
20:25:09 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: fedorabugs packager cla_fedora cla_done cla_fpca
20:25:15 <stickster> +1 from me
20:25:20 <ryanlerch> but we might need someone who knows this stuff to do a texhnixal review too
20:25:48 <sub_pop> Do we have a primer on LVM in general?
20:25:59 <ryanlerch> to make sure the instructions are correct!
20:26:05 <stickster> I'm fairly comfortable with LVM and could take this one on
20:26:22 <sub_pop> I have to look up the commands every time I need to do something.
20:27:28 <ryanlerch> stickster++
20:27:31 <stickster> Some of this gets deep but it's quite interesting what he's doing here
20:27:39 <sub_pop> Hmm. This does get very complex.
20:27:55 <stickster> We have no "intro to LVM" articles
20:28:12 <sub_pop> He branches into a few different paths, which is neat, but adds complexity.
20:29:03 <sub_pop> Wow, it's almost like ostree snapshots with LVM.
20:29:11 <stickster> It's not as long a process as it looks
20:29:24 <stickster> I feel like I can be comfortably +1 on this
20:29:33 <stickster> But it would be nice to be able to fall back on "intro to LVM" stuff
20:29:40 <stickster> we don't have any at docs.fp.o unfortunately :-(
20:30:40 <sub_pop> +1 from me too. I like technical articles like this.
20:30:50 <stickster> Anyone ± on this?
20:30:56 <stickster> *jinx. Cool, thanks sub_pop
20:31:03 <sub_pop> haha I started a trend!
20:31:07 <stickster> lol
20:31:13 <ryanlerch> :Þ
20:31:23 <ryanlerch> +1 from me
20:31:25 <stickster> Oh wait ryanlerch gave a +1 back at the top. OK then
20:31:43 <stickster> #agreed Pitch/draft on LVM safe upgrades approved
20:31:51 <stickster> #action stickster edit the LVM safe upgrade article
20:32:16 <stickster> #idea We should do an intro to LVM. Might take two articles.
20:32:53 <sub_pop> Yes. And then dump that article into ASCIIDoc for docs.fp.o
20:33:10 <stickster> #idea could also follow on LVM intro with how you can do a straight copy of a whole-system if you get a new hard disk
20:34:35 <stickster> #info --- What's new in F28 Anaconda ---
20:35:04 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21630&preview=1&_ppp=7126375373
20:36:10 <stickster> There's a lot here and it might need slight trimming, but WOW, good stuff
20:36:19 <stickster> mkolman++
20:36:19 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for m4rtink changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:36:19 <sub_pop> Yea definitely
20:36:25 <stickster> +1 from me
20:36:58 <ryanlerch> +1
20:37:00 <sub_pop> +1
20:37:15 <ryanlerch> the whats next might be good in a follow up article a few weeks ater
20:38:48 <sub_pop> Yea, that's almost a whole follow-up article
20:39:07 <sub_pop> Also, it's not really what's new in F28. It's what's coming in F29+
20:40:26 <stickster> sub_pop: ryanlerch: Good points.
20:40:51 <stickster> #action stickster talk to mkolman to let him know we may disconnect these two articles, and hold the next one for a week or two
20:41:13 <ryanlerch> other than that, great stuff!
20:41:23 <stickster> #agreed notwithstanding above, editors approve the F28 Anaconda article
20:41:24 <ryanlerch> i can help edit this one!
20:41:30 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit Anaconda article
20:41:36 <stickster> brilliant, thanks ryanlerch!
20:42:12 <stickster> I have one more idea to pitch right here... a refresh of the "how to type emoji on your Workstation via iBus" article
20:42:37 <stickster> I think the dialogs have changed somewhat. I had to track this down at some point after F28 upgrade
20:42:39 <sub_pop> Oh yea, there's new bits and bobs in F28/GNOME 3.28 isn't there?
20:42:59 <stickster> #info --- refresh Emoji via ibus article ---
20:43:20 <stickster> sub_pop: yeah, exactly. It's not really any harder to install, just different than our old F25/26 article
20:43:58 <stickster> 🎉 🎆 🍸
20:44:35 <stickster> I think I could write it, but does it sound OK?
20:44:57 <sub_pop> Yep. I like that idea.
20:44:59 <sub_pop> +1
20:45:07 <ryanlerch> +1
20:45:21 <stickster> #agreed editors apprve pitch of refreshed emoji via ibus article
20:45:32 <stickster> #action stickster draft it up, publication TBA
20:45:38 <stickster> #undo
20:45:38 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 20:45:32 : stickster draft it up, publication TBA
20:45:48 <stickster> #action stickster draft article on emoji via ibus on F28+, publication TBA
20:45:57 <stickster> need to be able to read my own minutes later :-D
20:46:17 <stickster> OK, that actually does it for today. Nothing else to cover AFAICT. Should we decide publishing schedule?
20:48:13 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds good!
20:48:40 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri 2018-06-15: Classroom (sub_pop) -- Mon 2018-06-18: Anaconda F28 (ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-06-20: LVM safe upgrades (stickster) -- Fri 2018-06-22: possibly Pipenv? or emoji/ibus if stickster finishes
20:49:06 <ryanlerch> +1
20:49:08 <stickster> I feel like we could go Thu with Classroom, but then that leaves us bare for a day
20:49:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: sub_pop: I'll be totally AFK Sunday/Monday on travel so I can't push anything then
20:49:37 <sub_pop> +1
20:49:44 <stickster> thus my clever move to make myself not accountable until Wed :-D
20:50:11 <sub_pop> haha ok.
20:50:15 <ryanlerch> :Þ
20:50:17 <stickster> #agreed Fri 2018-06-15: Classroom (sub_pop) -- Mon 2018-06-18: Anaconda F28 (ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-06-20: LVM safe upgrades (stickster) -- Fri 2018-06-22: possibly Pipenv? or emoji/ibus if stickster finishes
20:50:30 <stickster> #topic Open floor (all other biznatch)
20:50:55 <stickster> Oh my goodness. I didn't realize that was bad slang.
20:50:59 <stickster> #undo
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20:51:04 <stickster> #topic Open floor (all other biz)
20:51:08 <ryanlerch> lolz
20:51:15 <sub_pop> I'm brewing an article on using ansible to configure/tweak a desktop after installation. stuff like setting shell, setting dconf keys, installing packages.
20:51:37 <stickster> <-- pro tip: check urban dictionary first, dummy
20:51:45 <sub_pop> haha
20:51:53 <stickster> sub_pop: LOVE IT
20:52:05 <ryanlerch> pitch +1 from me!
20:52:09 <ryanlerch> sounds awesome!
20:52:21 <sub_pop> Scratches a personal itch too. The best kind of articles
20:52:59 <stickster> sub_pop: consider it +1 already
20:53:05 <stickster> GO 4 IT!
20:53:20 <stickster> I would love to read that myself and add it to my ansible-personal repo
20:53:27 <stickster> which is way, way in need of fixes
20:53:42 <sub_pop> Cool. It'll come together as I fiddle with converting my post_install.sh into a playbook
20:54:34 <sub_pop> Also, is Fleet Commander something we can get an article about? That thing looks really cool, but documentation about it seems sparse.
20:55:33 <ryanlerch> was there a draft or a postto the list about that?
20:55:34 <sub_pop> And I don't have the time to first set up a FreeIPA server to then mess around with Fleet Commander.
20:56:11 <sub_pop> Oh maybe.
20:56:20 <sub_pop> We could use some articles on Cockpit too.
20:56:25 <sub_pop> Cockpit is amazing
20:56:40 <stickster> sub_pop: I reached out to someone about that and I have a feeling they responded on list at some point.
20:56:44 <stickster> *fleet commander
20:56:57 <stickster> It was a very, very long article which looked like it came from somewhere else.
20:57:03 <sub_pop> Ah ok.
20:57:07 <stickster> Not sure where we left it, but I'll chedk.
20:57:42 <stickster> *check even. Also, super 💯  on the Cockpit topic
20:57:43 <sub_pop> ok
20:58:00 <stickster> OK guys, I have to vamoose
20:58:03 <sub_pop> So many ideas.. so little time. :(
20:58:09 <stickster> Anything else we need to cover?
20:58:22 <sub_pop> Nope. Enjoy the gig!
20:58:35 <stickster> Thanks for being here sub_pop ryanlerch !
20:58:37 <stickster> #endmeeting