15:00:54 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
15:00:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 12 15:00:54 2018 UTC.
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15:01:04 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:01:14 <rdieter> hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today?
15:01:32 <pino|work> o/
15:01:59 <lupinix> .hello2
15:02:00 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix.fedora@gmail.com>
15:02:08 * jgrulich is present
15:02:11 <tosky> o/
15:02:32 * dvratil lurks around
15:02:52 <rdieter> #info rdieter pino|work lupinix jgrulich tosky dvratil present
15:02:54 * jreznik is around and he's sorry for his limited availability for some time...
15:03:03 <rdieter> #chair pino|work lupinix jgrulich tosky dvratil jreznik
15:03:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: dvratil jgrulich jreznik lupinix pino|work rdieter tosky
15:03:07 <rdieter> #info jreznik present
15:03:27 <rdieter> life happens, tis ok
15:06:34 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:06:39 <rdieter> ok, what to discuss today?
15:07:05 <rdieter> we all can give general updates what we're working on.... (it's been awhile)
15:07:08 <tosky> "where are we"
15:07:16 <rdieter> <nod>
15:07:40 <lupinix> ownership of orphaned qt5 packages
15:07:50 <lupinix> e.g. https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/qt5-qtcharts
15:08:17 <rdieter> arg, another one eh?
15:08:31 <lupinix> there are more
15:08:32 <rdieter> highlights the importance of having > 1 owner for all
15:09:15 <rdieter> lupinix: mind making a list?  can submit to releng for changing owner
15:09:32 <lupinix> can create it, yes
15:09:47 <rdieter> I'll volunteer as one, than, mind being owner #2 ?  anyone else interested in being added explicitly as owner for qt5 pkgs?
15:10:02 <lupinix> feel free to add me if you wish
15:10:17 <rdieter> ok
15:10:36 <jgrulich> I'm a provenpackager, but I did some updates as well so you can add me as well
15:10:36 <rdieter> while I'm at it, will verify @kdesig group has commit (that should already be the case, but just making sure)
15:11:15 <rdieter> alright topic 1
15:11:21 <rdieter> #topic status updates
15:11:41 <rdieter> feel free to give breif updates on what you're working on in fedora/kde land
15:11:57 * rdieter is currently working on qt-5.9.6 for f27
15:14:13 <tosky> ehm, almost anything (not even upstream, apart from few translations)
15:14:27 <jgrulich> I recently did only KDevelop update, unfortunately I don't have time for more stuff
15:14:53 * pino|work updated kdevelop too, but in debian :D
15:15:51 <jgrulich> looking into Bodhi, looks in my case that recently = 3 weeks
15:17:19 <rdieter> once I have f27/qt5 done, will look to bringing kde-apps-18.04.x to f28
15:17:45 <rdieter> then probably plasma-5.13.x (f28)
15:18:30 <rdieter> oh, recently picked up doing kf5 for epel7 again, latest currently in -testing
15:18:41 <rdieter> now that rhel7.5 has Qt 5.9.x
15:19:15 * rdieter appreciates new job that has rhel7 licenses, rather than just using centos all the time
15:20:36 <rdieter> anything else?  move on?
15:21:00 <lupinix> nothing else here
15:21:12 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:22:00 <lupinix> how far did we get on removing bloat from the spin?
15:22:00 <rdieter> ok, soon(now) should probably start making concrete f29-related plans.  one item: continue spin/menu simplication tasks
15:22:07 <rdieter> (jinx)
15:22:11 <lupinix> same point :D
15:22:27 <tosky> yes, definitely that one
15:22:31 <rdieter> lupinix: not far, iirc, only removed a couple of obvious things so far (one less browser)
15:23:09 <rdieter> I'll try to devote more time to this for f29 cycle
15:23:35 * lupinix is already quite busy with reworking lxqt spin
15:24:11 <tosky> one thing that happens is that few items are repeated multiple times in different menus
15:24:33 <tosky> but I guess that this is not the real problem, so can we focus just on unique items?
15:24:46 * lupinix nods
15:25:13 <rdieter> agreed
15:25:45 <rdieter> focus on reducing non-essential pre-installed packages/apps
15:27:42 <rdieter> I recall we got as far as even having some tentative plans, just didn't get to implementing them.... I'll have to go back and look at details
15:28:07 <rdieter> off the top of my head: one low-hanging piece of fruit: drop kde-telepathy
15:28:27 <lupinix> yes, afair we already agreed on that removal
15:28:57 <rdieter> I can't remember much past that, was there more we already agreed on?
15:29:09 <rdieter> (if so, I can work on it today while waiting for Qt5 builds to finish :) )
15:29:31 <lupinix> we had some discussion about things like k3b but i was unsure if we already decided that
15:29:43 <lupinix> telepathy is the only thing i'm sure
15:30:18 <tosky> I can find the last email
15:30:24 <tosky> not sure how many things landed so far
15:30:42 <rdieter> tosky: thanks!  I recall you had a pretty good list
15:32:06 <tosky> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PFMYMFABAPI5Z6PLBEIMXMBXZUERJTSL/
15:32:21 <lupinix> nice, thanks
15:32:56 <rdieter> perfect, I'll review that, and make some concrete proposal(s) onlist
15:33:17 <rdieter> we actually made more progress than I thought, there's 2-3 things on that list already done
15:34:49 <rdieter> ulterior motive: see if we can get to be free of kde4 apps (amarok and knode are last 2 iirc)
15:35:20 <tosky> well, regardless of their fate in the repositories, I think that knode is not really useful on a live
15:35:26 <tosky> and maybe amarok too
15:37:06 <rdieter> replacement media player or do we not want/need one?
15:37:20 <tosky> for the live? mmhh
15:37:38 <tosky> I'd just drop here that juk is back
15:37:53 <pino|work> my 2c: skip both for live, and ship amarok (or a player/collection manager) as installed by default
15:38:08 <rdieter> well, live *and* default spin install (which is live dup'd ot disk)
15:38:31 <rdieter> pino|work: can't do one without the other
15:38:34 <tosky> apart from it, I don't know the general status; I know that qmmp (not KDE) is Qt-based
15:38:37 <pino|work> i see
15:38:57 <rdieter> unless... we switch installers (ie, use the one kanollo has)
15:38:57 <gagbo_> Maybe Clementine then ?
15:39:06 <dvratil> how abou the new one, Elisa? Or is it too unstable yet?
15:39:19 <lupinix> clementine is qt4, or did they finish the port?
15:39:23 <rdieter> dvratil: no releases or packages yet, I think that's a bit premature
15:39:49 <gagbo_> No idea actually, that's the only other "big" player in Qt I know
15:39:53 <pino|work> in debian they switched to the qt5 version, as git snapshot
15:40:05 <tosky> rdieter: to be fair, Elisa had unstable releases
15:40:16 <tosky> few 0.1.x; 0.2.0 is out in few days
15:40:38 <rdieter> ok, stable releases or fedora packages   :)
15:41:11 <rdieter> probably worth looking into packaging at this point though
15:41:35 <rdieter> juk may then be the least bad option (or nothing) then
15:42:31 <pino|work> amarok was ported to kf5, but it's still a long way to stable (or working)...
15:42:40 <rdieter> good to know
15:44:21 <tosky> in fact juk got a good cleanup, even in a better state than before
15:50:17 <rdieter> k, close to out of time, anyting else before closing meeting ?
15:54:37 <tosky> none from me
15:57:01 <rdieter> thanks everyone!
15:57:03 <rdieter> #endmeeting