20:00:43 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
20:00:43 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 25 20:00:43 2018 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:00:47 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:00:49 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:00:52 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:00:54 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:01:02 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:01:04 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:01:10 <ryanlerch> good morning all!
20:01:15 <stickster> o/ ryanlerch ... glad you could make it :-)
20:01:20 <stickster> hope you had a nice holiday
20:01:35 <ryanlerch> stickster: i'vehad coffee 1, so ready to go!
20:01:45 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:01:46 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:01:49 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, nice and relaxing!
20:02:10 <ryanlerch> morning sub_pop !
20:02:15 <cverna> o/
20:02:21 <ryanlerch> morning cverna!
20:02:38 <cverna> morning ryanlerch
20:03:44 <ryanlerch> stickster: are you able to log into the magazine?
20:03:52 * ryanlerch is getting errors...
20:03:53 <stickster> OK, varnish running very slowly there so I just restarted it and looks better now
20:04:22 <stickster> #chair sub_pop ryanlerch cverna
20:04:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
20:04:29 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:04:30 <ryanlerch> stickster: working now, thanks!
20:04:51 <stickster> #info Week of April 16: ~45.5K pageviews -- roughly same as week before
20:05:29 <stickster> #info Month of April so far: ~176.1K pageviews
20:05:33 <stickster> This isn't our best pace for sure
20:05:51 <stickster> April 2018 was ~226.5K pageviews
20:06:25 <stickster> Having said that, our latest posts (reset password and Python shells) were both quite popular!  24K pageviews in 3 days alone
20:07:37 <ryanlerch> stickster: :( on april stats...
20:07:38 <stickster> Interestingly -- our best referrer last couple of days was Twitter!
20:07:44 <cverna> I am not sure how to explain this, I think we had some good articles
20:07:47 <stickster> a reminder to #hashtag everything well
20:07:55 <ryanlerch> i can't really figure out what caused that dip TBH
20:08:14 <ryanlerch> hopefully it wasnt the theme change -- though i cant see why it would
20:08:52 <cverna> ryanlerch: I thought of that too, but I don't why too
20:08:57 <ryanlerch> i didnt really change any content structure
20:09:04 <cverna> s/don't /don't see/
20:09:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: that's a good point, but I think we would have seen something more universal on the stats if that were the case
20:09:46 <ryanlerch> that was the only variable i could come up with :/
20:10:00 <stickster> Our daily stats haven't been that different across the month -- there's quite some variance, but if you look at a moving average it wouldn't have changed much at all
20:10:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: when did the new theme go up?
20:11:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: off the top of my head, not 100% sure
20:11:10 <ryanlerch> i can dig up the date
20:11:52 <stickster> ryanlerch: for later, worth looking at
20:11:56 * stickster moves on for now, that's fine
20:12:50 <ryanlerch> 3rd April
20:13:39 <stickster> ryanlerch: So there's not a big change since then that would point to the theme as a factor, then.
20:13:56 <stickster> Things have moved up and down in steady rhythm without a drop in the averages.
20:14:02 <cverna> 4th of april was best day of the month :)
20:14:22 <stickster> Let's get some review done -- there are quite a few drafts awaiting, thanks to several people :-)
20:14:25 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
20:14:27 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
20:14:51 <stickster> #info --- buildah ---
20:14:53 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=20945&preview=1&_ppp=87c5dc6a8e
20:16:03 <stickster> There's only slightly more content here, but it may be enough to move this article forward.
20:16:37 <ryanlerch> other than dwalsh posting the preview link on twitter :D
20:16:45 <sub_pop> Looks like a good introduction to buildah
20:16:48 <stickster> ryanlerch: right!
20:17:02 <sub_pop> 🤦‍♂️
20:17:15 <stickster> ?
20:17:29 <stickster> facepalm male?
20:17:51 <sub_pop> preview links are only good for 24 hours, right? So a twitter post would point to a dead link
20:18:10 <stickster> sub_pop: right, I replied back on Twitter that it wasn't out yet and we'd let him know ;-)
20:18:30 <sub_pop> lol yes, facepalm male >_<
20:18:33 <stickster> haha
20:19:17 <stickster> I'll go ahead and give a +1 to go ahead with this article. I might ask dustymabe or ksinny to look at it after editing, and before we let it go final.
20:19:32 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 from me too
20:19:46 <cverna> +1 too
20:20:03 <stickster> I have to say I find Ashutosh's content not very compelling for the four or five articles he's done. It seems to be very much just "run down a list of commands" with little in the way of enticing the user
20:20:20 <stickster> sorry to sound negative, but I've been editing most of his work and it ends up being a lot of rewriting.
20:20:33 <sub_pop> I'd like to see more "how is this different from Docker and why"
20:21:01 <stickster> OCI compatibility I think?
20:21:19 <cverna> and no daemon
20:21:36 <sub_pop> Can we get a paragraph or so about what that means to the user?
20:21:46 <stickster> *nod. And again, I think that's why I'd prefer to have some review by someone with more expertise... maybe they can make a couple points about "selling" it better
20:21:48 <cverna> but I think it is a good feedback from sub_pop
20:22:01 <stickster> sub_pop: apparently not from the author :-( since I asked for it earlier...
20:22:21 <stickster> cverna: agreed!
20:23:09 <cverna> I think a nice thing about buildah is that you don't need dockerfile
20:23:51 <cverna> for me this is the main advantage since you have to do some fake bash scripting inside a dockerfile
20:24:08 <cverna> don't have too*
20:25:24 <stickster> cverna: I'll try to add that as a note for editing as soon as I can get back in :-)
20:26:03 <stickster> #action stickster take edit chair on buildah article, will also look for further review before publishing
20:26:06 <cverna> stickster: I ll be happy to do the editing on this article when ready
20:26:14 <stickster> lol!
20:26:17 <cverna> :)
20:26:28 <stickster> I made the comments so now I feel honor-bound to do it :-)
20:26:34 <stickster> cverna: don't worry, I'll hand you something shortly
20:27:01 <cverna> no problem :)
20:27:10 <stickster> #info --- Files in GNOME 3.28 ---
20:27:12 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=20949&preview=1&_ppp=d1bf6c0085
20:27:16 <stickster> sub_pop++ for providing this
20:27:17 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for linkdupont changed to 1 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:27:58 <ryanlerch> sub_pop++
20:27:58 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for linkdupont changed to 2 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:28:17 <cverna> sub_pop++
20:28:19 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for linkdupont changed to 3 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:28:23 <cverna> cookies :)
20:28:28 <stickster> sub_pop: Is this a reprint of the GNOME blog entry I saw earlier?
20:28:35 <stickster> or sub_pop[m] ^
20:29:18 <stickster> It might be nice to see this shortened a bit and the language made simpler. That blog post was hugely informative but also wordy and big on passive voice
20:29:21 <sub_pop> sorry about that. Some sort of IPv6 SNAFU
20:29:26 <stickster> no worries sub_pop
20:29:55 <ryanlerch> stickster: sub_pop -- def needs some headings and screenshots too!
20:30:05 <sub_pop> Ok, yes, is this Changes to Files?
20:30:13 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: yes!
20:30:15 <stickster> sub_pop: Ah yes -- sorry, you might have missed the /topic change
20:31:09 <sub_pop> Yea, so the goal of the piece is to inform users about the desktop icon change, and explain why the decision was made. And what benefits they will see in the future to Nautilus.
20:31:14 <stickster> *nod
20:31:30 <sub_pop> I couldn't figure out how to break it into subsections with headers.
20:31:41 <sub_pop> And I feel like it needs a proper conclusion
20:33:25 <stickster> cverna: What if I swap you Ashutosh's article, and I'll work on this one?
20:33:34 <stickster> cverna: IOW you were right to begin with :-)
20:33:46 <cverna> stickster: deal
20:33:55 <stickster> sub_pop: I'm definitely +1+1+1 on this article.
20:34:12 <sub_pop> Can we embed Carlos's vimeo showing flow view?
20:34:14 <stickster> #action REDO: cverna to edit buildah article and get review from dustymabe or ksinny
20:34:23 <stickster> sub_pop: I think so?
20:34:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^
20:34:39 <sub_pop> Though, that's really teasing the future future.
20:35:04 <ryanlerch> stickster: i think we may be able to embed vimeo
20:35:18 <stickster> I know we can do Youtube easily, I'd be surprised if Vimeo didn't work
20:35:30 <stickster> sub_pop: If you throw the URL in the article, I'll figure it out somehow.
20:35:58 <stickster> #action stickster edit article on Files changes in GNOME 3.28
20:36:00 <ryanlerch> yeah, it looks like it should work with just the URL
20:36:01 <sub_pop> It's linked as a plain HREF
20:36:08 <stickster> OK cool
20:36:36 <ryanlerch> if you just put an unmarked-up url in there, wordpress should embed it (i think)
20:36:39 <stickster> ryanlerch: can you do an image for the buildah article?
20:36:50 <stickster> yeah, that's what I was hoping too (re: WP embedding)
20:36:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can do ALL THE IMAGES!
20:36:57 <stickster> hahaha
20:37:19 <ryanlerch> #info https://en.support.wordpress.com/videos/vimeo/
20:37:32 <ryanlerch> that is for .com, but i think it should work for us too
20:37:33 <stickster> YESSSS
20:37:39 <stickster> #info --- What's new in F28 Workstation ---
20:37:54 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21072&preview=1&_ppp=be178d4e65
20:38:03 <stickster> sub_pop: ^ is this one ready to review, you think?
20:38:07 <sub_pop> So this is the talking points from the wiki + a section I wrote on 3rd-party repos
20:38:20 <sub_pop> Yea, it's mostly the language from the wiki talking points.
20:38:24 <stickster> (Note: we would usually publish this the day of or after F28 release, more bang for the buck)
20:38:26 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: awesome
20:38:31 <sub_pop> Did we want to add a section on initial setup redundancy?
20:38:51 <sub_pop> that change sounds like it's turning off root passwords for new installs
20:38:59 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: side-note: feel free to add your 3rd party repo stuff to the talking points wiki too
20:39:18 <sub_pop> ryanlerch: i thought it was there, just not under workstation. i'll double check
20:39:29 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: okies!
20:40:16 <sub_pop> if it's not, i'll add it. definitely worth talking about
20:40:39 <sub_pop> Root password removal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReduceInitialSetupRedundancy#Root_Account
20:40:43 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: yeah, it was discussed in the workstation meeting to add it, just hadnt got around to it yet
20:41:33 <sub_pop> I have not installed F28 yet, but if that is the case, I feel it's worthy of a callout in an article
20:42:08 * stickster not sure either
20:42:16 <ryanlerch> i can take editing charge on this one FWIW
20:42:34 <stickster> I think we can hold off on editing on this one. I've fixed the URL to be exactly the F27 version URL for the What's New article, but with s/27/28/
20:42:40 <stickster> Oh whoops
20:42:45 <stickster> sorry, you're on ryanlerch
20:42:53 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit the F28 What's new in Workstation article
20:43:00 <ryanlerch> stickster: haha sorry
20:43:01 <stickster> The publication will hold off, though, yes?
20:43:02 <sub_pop> lol did I goof the URL?
20:43:10 <ryanlerch> stickster: yes!
20:43:12 <sub_pop> wooooops
20:43:12 <stickster> sub_pop: not at all. By default there's an "in-" in there which I removed
20:43:18 <sub_pop> oh ok
20:43:21 <stickster> It's all good now
20:43:28 <ryanlerch> this is a release-day post, right?
20:43:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: I think so -- that's how we did in previous releases, yes?
20:43:47 <ryanlerch> IIRC, yes
20:44:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: yes, confirmed
20:44:37 <ryanlerch> IMHO, having a stand-alone little article for the 3rd party repos would be good too
20:44:37 <stickster> #action ryanlerch schedule F28 workstation article for post-GA announcement on release day
20:44:46 <ryanlerch> we could do that pre-GA even
20:45:09 <sub_pop> gnome-software-3.28 was pushed to F27 about a week ago, so 3rd-party repo stuff is in F27 now
20:45:31 <ryanlerch> and then link to it in this whats new post
20:48:18 <sub_pop> is there enough content to make a standalone article? It seems kinda short
20:48:56 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: was thinking of framing to more as a newsy article
20:49:08 <ryanlerch> i can get it out not in the normal schedule :D
20:49:52 <sub_pop> hah, seems alright to me
20:50:22 <stickster> ryanlerch++ on the 3rd party repo article.
20:50:32 <stickster> sorry for delay, was pinged by mgr internally
20:50:36 <ryanlerch> just added th pitch them
20:50:40 <ryanlerch> *then
20:51:03 <stickster> ryanlerch: I bet we also need a F28 GA announcement
20:51:21 <ryanlerch> stickster: maybe :D :D
20:51:22 <stickster> mattdm: ^ are you doing that? Or someone else to your knowledge?
20:52:35 <stickster> I think we should go ahead and at least make a placeholder for it with mattdm's name on it. I think he usually "authors" those
20:53:06 <sub_pop> it should be pretty boilerplate, no?
20:53:08 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:53:18 <stickster> Let's skip ahead a bit. Since it looks likely that Fedora 28 will GA *ON TIME* --- !!!!! --- let's discuss schedule
20:53:22 <stickster> #topic GA and scheduling
20:54:00 <stickster> #proposed Files article for Friday 27-April (stickster); buildah article for Monday 30-April (cverna)
20:54:09 <stickster> Then we also need:
20:54:16 <stickster> * GA announcement for 01-May
20:54:28 <stickster> * F28 Workstation what's new for 01-May (done, thanks sub_pop!)
20:54:34 <sub_pop> omg next week?
20:54:44 <stickster> * F27 -> F28 upgrade article (almost a canned thing at this point)
20:55:03 <ryanlerch> i can un-can that and have it ready
20:55:10 <stickster> it depends on go/no-go but it looks likely
20:55:12 <sub_pop> i can crank out any of these boilerplate articles if needed too.
20:55:14 <ryanlerch> and do all the required images too
20:55:15 <stickster> ryanlerch: you are a GOLDEN GOD
20:55:25 <stickster> we just socked ryanlerch with plenty of TODOs
20:55:43 <ryanlerch> they are simple ones :)
20:55:46 <stickster> The upgrade article would go out 02-May
20:57:20 <stickster> Then we just need to worry about Wed 03-May
20:57:25 <stickster> or maybe not
20:57:32 <ryanlerch> i'll also slot in the 3rd party repos article sometime this week too
20:57:39 * stickster *might* be able to do his disc article for then, this weekend is looking quiet
20:58:00 <stickster> ryanlerch: why don't we do that for Friday, then we move Files to Monday, buildah to Wednesday
20:58:09 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds good
20:59:02 <cverna> sounds good to me too
20:59:17 <ryanlerch> did we just lock in the schedule?
20:59:23 <ryanlerch> 1min remaining too!
20:59:38 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Apr 27: 3rd party repos (ryanlerch) -- Mon Apr 30: Files changes (stickster) -- Tue May 01: GA announcement + What's new in WS (sub_pop + mattdm + crew) -- Wed May 02: Upgrading F27->F28 (ryanlerch) -- Thu May 03: buildah (cverna) -- Fri May 04: TBD
20:59:47 <stickster> ^^ look OK? cverna, I gave you an extra day too
21:00:11 <cverna> happy with that :)
21:00:24 <ryanlerch> schedule++
21:01:08 <stickster> #agreed Fri Apr 27: 3rd party repos (ryanlerch) -- Mon Apr 30: Files changes (stickster) -- Tue May 01: GA announcement + What's new in WS (sub_pop + mattdm + crew) -- Wed May 02: Upgrading F27->F28 (ryanlerch) -- Thu May 03: buildah (cverna) -- Fri May 04: TBD
21:01:12 <stickster> And that's it!
21:01:16 * stickster has to run, thanks for coming everyone!
21:01:17 <ryanlerch> woo
21:01:21 <ryanlerch> thanks for chairing stickster
21:01:21 <stickster> Now on to DO ALL THE MAGAZINE THNGS
21:01:28 <stickster> #endmeeting