12:30:54 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora Mindshare Committee - 2018-03-12
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12:30:56 <jwf> #meetingname mindshare
12:30:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare'
12:30:59 <jwf> #topic Roll call
12:31:02 <jwf> .hello jflory7
12:31:03 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
12:31:11 <bexelbie> .hello bex
12:31:12 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
12:31:15 <jwf> #chair bexelbie
12:31:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jwf
12:31:21 <jsmith> .hello2
12:31:22 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com>
12:31:34 <jwf> #chair jsmith
12:31:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf
12:32:28 <jwf> bexelbie: If you have bandwidth to drive, that would be awesome. I'm also on a support chat with LG… my phone bricked itself last night and trying to see if I can get it serviced or if I'm out of luck
12:32:47 <bexelbie> jwf, sure
12:32:55 <bexelbie> I'll give us a few moments for people to arrive
12:33:04 <bexelbie> I know mleonova[m] is around
12:33:05 <jwf> Sounds good to me :)
12:33:24 <bexelbie> nb @robyduck x3mboy ping
12:33:29 <bexelbie> robyduck,
12:33:31 * jwf waves to jsmith too
12:34:16 <mleonova> hi!
12:34:26 <bexelbie> o/
12:34:51 <jsmith> jwb: Boot loop issue, or complete brick?
12:35:30 <jwf> #chair mleonova
12:35:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova
12:35:30 <bexelbie> ok, let's move forward and hope nb robyduck and x3mboy join us soon
12:35:39 <jwf> jsmith: Bootloop. :-( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_smartphone_bootloop_issues
12:35:40 * bexelbie will ping them all on alternate chats - one moment
12:35:58 <nb> hi
12:36:06 <jwf> #chair nb
12:36:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb
12:36:34 <bexelbie> Given that we just had a FAD, I propose we look at our open issues as a way to drive this conversation
12:36:48 <bexelbie> this way we can also make sure we have issues for everything as we wanted that to be one of our information radiators
12:37:04 * jwf likes ticket-driven meetings
12:37:11 <bexelbie> #Tickets
12:37:12 <mleonova> sounds good
12:37:19 <bexelbie> #topic Tickets
12:37:23 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issues
12:37:33 <bexelbie> going in the arbitrary order of lowest number to highest number ...
12:37:44 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/7
12:37:48 <bexelbie> FAD Report
12:38:00 <bexelbie> iirc, x3mboy was going to write the first draft of this ... is my memory accurate?
12:38:21 <jwf> Yes. I think the first draft was targeted for this Friday.
12:38:33 <jsmith> That's what I remember
12:38:42 <jsmith> And I offered to help proofread, etc.
12:38:50 <bexelbie> ok, I am updating the meta data
12:39:25 <jwf> I'm also happy to help with proofreading
12:39:45 <bexelbie> #topic represenation research
12:39:47 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/6
12:39:54 * jwf waves to x3mboy
12:39:56 <bexelbie> jflory can you expand on this? you opened it
12:39:57 <x3mboy> .hello2
12:39:58 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
12:40:01 <jwf> #chair x3mboy
12:40:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb x3mboy
12:40:05 <x3mboy> bexelbie, o/
12:40:07 <x3mboy> jwf, o/
12:40:14 <bexelbie> x3mboy, can you confirm the update the https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/7 is accurate?
12:40:27 <x3mboy> bexelbie, on iy
12:40:35 <x3mboy> it*
12:40:53 <bexelbie> jflory can you expand on this? you opened it
12:41:00 <bexelbie> jwf, ^^
12:41:01 <bexelbie> sorry
12:41:24 <jwf> bexelbie: Right. This one was about the discussion we had at the FAD around the Ambassadors. The idea was to do some research and see what other communities are doing with their community representation programs to add perspective for us
12:41:38 <jwf> This was something it felt like CommOps could help with
12:41:48 <jwf> Our meeting is not long after this one finishes, so I was going to bring it up then
12:41:52 <x3mboy> bexelbie, I'm compiling the info to write the draft between today and tomorrow
12:42:04 <bexelbie> ok.  I don't see a ticket for the draft write up jsmith is doing, but I'd like to see that research used to inform that draft
12:42:08 <bexelbie> does that work for everyone? jsmith ?
12:42:32 <jsmith> WORKSFORME
12:42:40 <x3mboy> jsmith, o/
12:42:57 <jwf> +1. Looking at a calendar to try to put down a deadline for this
12:43:13 <bexelbie> jwf, put the deadline relative to the jsmith doc when we get to it?
12:43:17 <bexelbie> s/?/./
12:43:40 <bexelbie> anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to leave out opinions, but I suspect this is silence == assent
12:43:46 <jwf> Before or after the draft? I understood the deliverable for this ticket to be a bulletpoint list of other representation projects in the context of what we discussed.
12:43:58 <jwf> Not sure if it blocks on the draft or not
12:44:13 <bexelbie> jwf, it should inform the draft - so the draft is where this research should go - or in the subsequent conversation
12:44:18 <x3mboy> +1
12:44:22 <jwf> I was thinking Monday, March 26 as the deadline for this, so it would be in time for our meeting in two weeks
12:44:26 <bexelbie> jwf, I don't want to block moving the ambassadors conversation forward waiting on this research
12:44:30 <jwf> Agreed
12:44:40 <nb> +1
12:44:57 <bexelbie> ok, I've updated #6 and marked it blocked solely because another team is doing the work
12:45:07 * jwf nods
12:45:08 <bexelbie> #topic ambassadors code of conduct page
12:45:09 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/5
12:45:45 <bexelbie> jsmith, this looks like fodder for the draft.  Should we close and make this information part of a draft ambassadors plan ticket?
12:46:21 <x3mboy> I have a question. Does this document need to be different than the "general" CoC?
12:46:36 <jsmith> bexelbie: Sounds reasonable -- but I'm a little anxious that adding a CoC discussion to the "ambassadors" discussion might sidetrack the conversation a bit
12:46:51 <jsmith> I'm wondering if we want to make a more conscious split of those topics...
12:47:04 <bexelbie> jsmith, I encourage you to pull in the components that make sense.  Things like the CoC are being talked about project wide
12:47:13 <bexelbie> AIUI we hold our ambassadors to the same high standards as everyone else
12:47:22 <bexelbie> so there isn't really a need for a specific CoC conversation
12:47:22 <jsmith> bexelbie: Of course... I'll do my best :-)
12:47:34 <jwf> Perhaps we should change how we deliver this. I also think calling it CoC could be confusing
12:47:36 * bexelbie re-skims that wiki page
12:47:47 <jwf> I get jsmith's concern there too
12:47:56 <bexelbie> I believe the wording has become overloaded - the content is not a CoC in the traditional sense
12:48:01 <jwf> Right
12:48:08 <bexelbie> I encourage jsmith to adopt alternative wording
12:48:13 <x3mboy> I'm agreed, the Ambys convo will be hard, we need to try to leave as simple as possible
12:48:26 <x3mboy> leave it*
12:48:27 <bexelbie> jsmith, do you mind closing this ticket and opening and adding this link to an ambassadors plan draft ticket?
12:48:51 <jsmith> bexelbie: Happy to do it.
12:48:56 <bexelbie> thanks, we
12:49:05 <bexelbie> thanks, we'll circle back to that one in a few
12:49:10 <bexelbie> #topic Ambassadors REps
12:49:13 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/4
12:49:20 <bexelbie> I'd like to close this ticket with our decision from the FAD
12:49:42 <jsmith> +1
12:49:44 <jwf> +1
12:49:46 <bexelbie> IIRC, it is: The ambassadors specific seats will be held by the FAMA members, nb and robyduck until the ambassadors program conversation ends and the program can select reps
12:49:46 <x3mboy> +1
12:49:57 <mleonova> +1
12:49:59 <jwf> We should definitely get that context in the ticket before closing
12:50:16 <bexelbie> adding now
12:50:21 <jwf> \o/
12:50:23 <bexelbie> nb opinion?
12:50:33 <bexelbie> #chair
12:50:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb x3mboy
12:51:02 <bexelbie> Also, can someone volunteer to update the wiki page to list both roles for those people?
12:51:37 <bexelbie> anyone?
12:51:51 <jwf> I can get the wiki page if someone wants to update the doc draft
12:51:52 <mleonova> I think someone did?
12:52:02 * bexelbie didn't look
12:52:03 <bexelbie> :D
12:52:07 <bexelbie> assigning to jwf
12:52:10 * jsmith can edit the wiki if nobody else volunteers
12:52:12 <bexelbie> nb last chance to comment
12:52:14 <mleonova> or I'm dreaming :)
12:52:18 <x3mboy> I can help if the deadline is a little more than a week
12:52:30 <jwf> Oh, I think mleonova is right? https://screenshots.firefox.com/M3wqEr3qtTDn3bF1/fedoraproject.org
12:52:34 <jwf> Looks done to me
12:52:38 <nb> sorry
12:52:39 * nb looks
12:52:41 <mleonova> \o/
12:52:43 <nb> bexelbie, +1
12:52:46 <bexelbie> :)
12:52:51 <bexelbie> ticket updated
12:53:13 <bexelbie> #topic feature profiles
12:53:15 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/3
12:53:46 <bexelbie> I believe we should close this for now as we defined our messaging as the editions + objectives as our initial target
12:53:56 <bexelbie> I  know we need to drill more, but I thought we wanted to start broad and then scope
12:54:03 <bexelbie> is this me dreaming or accurate?
12:54:10 * jwf reads ticket for context
12:54:52 <x3mboy> Can we put in "on hold"?
12:55:06 * jsmith is fine with "editions + objectives" for now
12:55:22 <bexelbie> x3mboy, while we can, I don't want to see us build up a backlog of on hold issues.  What are we holding for?
12:55:42 <bexelbie> I think having a in one year do X calendar/list is more effective that accumulating tickets
12:55:43 <jwf> Hmm, yeah, I guess the editions + objectives are the feature profiles. But I also think closing this is throwing the strategy conversation back into Marketing
12:55:49 <bexelbie> I am open to alterantives though
12:55:50 <jsmith> I guess I'd rather highlight objectives, and how we're making progress on them...
12:55:50 <x3mboy> As I remember, doing targets/profile audiences is being a big conversation between Marketing and CommOps to make the message clear
12:56:09 <jwf> I think we need to offer more guidance on how to highlight and feature the profiles for editions + objectives
12:56:33 <x3mboy> Or am I confusing the discussion?
12:56:45 <bexelbie> Ok, so running with the on hold idea, I suggest we park this until we have the ambassadors conversation worked out - as I don't think we ahve the resources to do both effectively at the same time
12:57:01 <jwf> jsmith: Exactly. And that's what I think Mindshare should help with. This ticket is an old ticket in Marketing and I think it's slow to turn because it's a strategy question, not tactic / execution
12:57:42 <jsmith> bexelbie: +1
12:57:56 <jwf> bexelbie: I don't know if I agree. Maybe we don't need to address it right now, but I don't think it blocks on Ambassadors. Maybe x3mboy feels differently, but I think this is also holding Marketing back from doing their work.
12:58:11 <jwf> But I guess this is like the thing that came up before, we agree but for different reasons
12:58:33 <bexelbie> I agree it doesn't block ambassadors
12:58:53 <bexelbie> I am saying it is blocked because we have two strategic projects and one strategic project worth of time
12:58:54 <x3mboy> I'm agreed with the "no resources to work in both topics", that's why I suggest to on-hold
12:59:03 <bexelbie> nb, mleonova ?
12:59:42 <nb> I think I agree with bexelbie
12:59:46 <mleonova> bexelbie, what is the question? should we put this on hold?
12:59:50 <nb> we have defined our targets as the editions + objectibes
13:00:08 <x3mboy> But also I think it's a topic that can be discussed later. Our first focus should be the Ambys and the define the editions+objectives messaging
13:00:08 <bexelbie> mleonova, yes pending the completion of the ambassadors conversatin
13:00:08 <jwf> bexelbie x3mboy: I follow now. +1 to keep on hold and revisit later
13:00:20 <mleonova> ok, sure
13:00:25 <jsmith> -ENORESOURCES :-)
13:00:26 <bexelbie> Proposed: This is on hold while we finish the ambassadors conversation.  This is not blocked by that conversation (nor does this block that conversation), we are just short of effort to do both items of work at once.
13:00:31 <jwf> jsmith: Hahahah, yeah
13:00:33 <bexelbie> I am not hearing any objections ...
13:00:36 <bexelbie> ??
13:00:40 <jwf> bexelbie: Sounds like an #agreed to me :-)
13:00:42 <x3mboy> +1
13:00:44 <nb> +1
13:00:51 <jsmith> We might want a "needmoreresources" tag in Pagure :-)
13:00:51 <bexelbie> ok, updating ticket
13:01:54 <bexelbie> #topic swag vendor list
13:01:56 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/2
13:02:16 <bexelbie> I'd like to close this until we have a need given our desire to encourage more centralilzed planning for swag and less per event production
13:02:31 <bexelbie> also there seems to be a strong desire to focus our ambassador efforts on ambassador work, not swag production
13:02:39 <x3mboy> +1
13:02:48 <jwf> Yeah, I think this ticket precedes the larger Ambassadors discussion we had at the FAD
13:03:14 <jwf> Swag **vendors** isn't really the area we're aiming for now
13:03:36 <bexelbie> jwf, nb x3mboy mleonova jsmith ok to close?
13:03:40 <jwf> So, +1 to close and focus on larger Ambassador plan
13:03:41 <bexelbie> x3mboy, ahh, you voted
13:03:44 <jsmith> +1
13:03:44 <mleonova> sure!
13:03:55 <bexelbie> mleonova, please state your answer in the form of a number (just kidding!)
13:04:04 <mleonova> 5
13:04:12 <jwf> 42 :-)
13:04:15 <nb> sure
13:04:19 <nb> ok to close
13:04:20 <nb> +1
13:04:51 <bexelbie> ticket updated
13:04:59 <bexelbie> #topic readme
13:05:00 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/1
13:05:24 <bexelbie> I suggest we make this an easy fix task and see if we can get someone to port the important parts of the wiki page over or put in a link to a docs site page?
13:05:26 <bexelbie> wdyt?
13:05:37 <jsmith> That works for me
13:05:51 <jwf> I like the style of the Council README, to be more functional than informative.
13:05:56 <jsmith> Should be a five-minute job
13:06:04 <mleonova> bexelbie, I have to google half your acronyms :)
13:06:17 <x3mboy> I think I can do it as part of the draft for #7
13:06:19 <jwf> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/blob/master/f/README.md
13:06:21 <bexelbie> mleonova, sorry .. in all seriousness ask - you're not the only one
13:06:35 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
13:06:36 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
13:06:40 <bexelbie> I also make them up as I go and frequently make typos in small words so they look like acronyms
13:06:41 <x3mboy> robyduck, o/
13:06:45 <bexelbie> #chair robyduck
13:06:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb robyduck x3mboy
13:06:46 * jwf waves to robyduck
13:06:58 <mleonova> bexelbie, nice :)
13:07:13 <mleonova> hi robyduck !
13:07:19 <bexelbie> x3mboy, would you be opposed to letting it go as an easyfix for now .. and if you get it done before someone else that is great too?
13:07:23 * robyduck apologies
13:07:44 <bexelbie> nb, opinion?
13:08:17 <x3mboy> bexelbie, yes. I need to finish the draft this week, so the README can be part of this work. If it's not ready for next week, then go with the easifix
13:08:23 <x3mboy> wdyt?
13:08:43 <bexelbie> I can be ok with that x3mboy
13:08:44 * nb thinks easyfix is fine
13:08:51 * robyduck is ok with an easyfix
13:08:54 <bexelbie> proposed: x3mboy is assigned for one week.  then easyfix
13:09:10 <bexelbie> anyone object to that?
13:09:15 <bexelbie> or are we wanting to go easyfix from today?
13:09:15 <x3mboy> mleonova, urban dictionary is your friend (for bexelbie acroyms) xD?
13:09:16 <jsmith> No objections from me
13:09:18 <x3mboy> +1
13:09:20 * bexelbie can be convinced both ways
13:09:28 <jsmith> mleonova: "wdyt" is "what do you think?"
13:09:40 <mleonova> jsmith, google thinks so too
13:09:56 <mleonova> x3mboy, it has nice examples, too :)
13:10:25 <bexelbie> ok, I am reading this as assent - nb is unlikely to object
13:10:32 <bexelbie> jsmith, did you open a draft amby ticket?
13:10:57 <jsmith> bexelbie: I did not, but I can.
13:11:04 <bexelbie> jsmith, please :)
13:11:09 <bexelbie> #topic Draft of Ambassadors Ideas
13:11:13 <bexelbie> link coming soon :)
13:11:23 <robyduck> lol
13:11:29 <x3mboy> lol
13:12:01 <bexelbie> my understanding is that jsmith has volunteered to lead the effort on drafting a proposal for conversation with the ambassadors.  We wanted to get something our for adoption in the hopes of seeing the convesation end around Mid April for effect on May 1ish
13:12:18 <bexelbie> this is based  on Mindshare being the end result of a multi-year effort by Ambassadors to reorganize
13:12:25 <jsmith> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/8
13:12:40 <bexelbie> we are going to fold in the useful parts of the page on ambassador conduct that mattdm highlighted
13:12:47 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/8
13:12:50 <robyduck> bexelbie: that's what we agreed on, right
13:12:53 <bexelbie> anyone want to add anything else?
13:12:58 <bexelbie> robyduck, aiui, yes
13:13:02 <bexelbie> do we want to put a date on this?
13:13:15 <jsmith> mleonova: Translating here -- ''aiui" == "as I understand it"
13:13:26 <mleonova> jsmith, thanks!
13:13:36 <bexelbie> jsmith, I could have been talking about aoli for bread :P
13:13:37 <bexelbie> j/k
13:13:40 <x3mboy> I think the deadline will depend on jsmith workload
13:13:51 <jwf> Mmmm
13:14:01 <bexelbie> exactly :D
13:14:02 <jwf> I have nothing else to add, this sounds in line to what we discussed at the FAD
13:14:04 * bexelbie looks at jsmith  :)
13:14:07 <jsmith> I can get it done, no problem -- my only concern with timing is if we want it *after* x3mboy's report, and if so, how long after?
13:14:44 <jsmith> In other words, do we want to "prime the pump" with x3mboy's report, wait a few days (or a week?), and then send the email?
13:14:55 <bexelbie> jsmith, a week after is my suggestoin
13:15:08 <robyduck> at least one week after, but we are going also towards F28 Beta release, we should avoid crushing the release dates, IMHO
13:15:08 <jsmith> Perfect, I'm in 100% violent agreement then :-)
13:15:11 <bexelbie> so if we have that report out next week sometime then ideally the draft is ready for us to review by the end of next week?
13:15:17 <bexelbie> for publication the following week?
13:15:23 <jsmith> ACK :-)
13:15:24 <x3mboy> 1 week sounds reasonable, people will have enough time to read, comment and digest the information
13:15:30 <bexelbie> robyduck, this is bigger than new bits :P
13:16:11 <bexelbie> Sweet!
13:16:16 <bexelbie> #topic Open Floor
13:16:25 <bexelbie> Anyone have anything new we want to bring up
13:16:38 <bexelbie> I want to personally say that the FAD was AMAZINGLY productive.  THANK YOU!!
13:16:56 <mleonova> agreed :)
13:17:01 <bexelbie> Also, if you have receipts that are appropriate for reimbursing please email them to me directly bexelbie@redhat.com - I plan to pay things this week
13:17:20 <bexelbie> include your paypal address and currency preference if you don't use the USD normally and I'll see what I can do
13:17:34 <mleonova> I'm working on the alpaca badge and have the mindshare logo planned for near future
13:17:52 <mleonova> bexelbie, that reminds me about the train tickets..
13:17:53 * jsmith wants to thank robyduck and bexelbie for all the hard work that went into organizing the FAD
13:18:00 <robyduck> what about the ticket for the announce ML?
13:18:04 <bexelbie> mleonova, do you mind opening a tracker ticket in our pagure for that ?
13:18:14 <robyduck> thanks you all for coming!!!! It was great
13:18:15 <nb> I need to look, I think I may not have given everyone the FAD badge yet
13:18:17 <mleonova> bexelbie, for what?
13:18:18 * nb will do that today
13:18:22 <jsmith> Thanks, nb
13:18:31 <bexelbie> mleonova, with the two design links in it so we remember the badges are in flight
13:18:52 <mleonova> oh, I can link them now
13:18:56 <bexelbie> robyduck, good call re: ML tickets
13:19:01 <bexelbie> can you open those and a tracker in our pagure for them?
13:19:12 <robyduck> yes, I can
13:19:24 <bexelbie> #action everyone to send receipts from the FAD to bexelbie@redhat.com with paypal address and currency preference where possible (not promised)
13:19:25 <robyduck> let me do something useful today
13:19:32 <mleonova> https://pagure.io/design/issue/580
13:19:34 <bexelbie> #action robyduck to open ML tickets for us and a tracker in our pagure
13:19:44 <bexelbie> #action mleonova to open a tracker ticket for our design tickets in our pagure
13:19:47 <bexelbie> did I miss anything?
13:19:59 <x3mboy> I don't have any receipt
13:20:02 <mleonova> bexelbie, yay more tickets
13:20:32 <jwf> bexelbie: For reimbursements, I filed private tickets in pagure.io/fedora-budget – is this okay?
13:20:42 <bexelbie> jwf, yes
13:21:04 <robyduck> bexelbie: just to remind me about them, we wanted just an announce list, right? Not more
13:21:50 <bexelbie> robyduck, iirc, yes
13:21:54 <robyduck> ok, fine, thx
13:22:00 <bexelbie> our mindshare@ will be like devel/council-discuss ... iirc
13:22:12 <bexelbie> iirc == If I Recall Correctly
13:22:35 <mleonova> bexelbie, 👍
13:23:00 <bexelbie> Anything for our last 8 min or should we take the gift of a collective 48 minutes back?
13:23:01 <bexelbie> #chair
13:23:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith jwf mleonova nb robyduck x3mboy
13:23:07 <bexelbie> ooo
13:23:09 <bexelbie> 56 minutes
13:23:15 * jsmith has nothing further
13:23:27 * mleonova is good
13:23:37 * jwf es bueno
13:23:56 <bexelbie> nb?
13:24:10 <bexelbie> Closing in ~30 seconds
13:24:23 <robyduck> fine for today, we are already doing great things, that's awesome
13:24:40 <x3mboy> Awesome!
13:25:01 * nb has nothing further
13:25:03 <bexelbie> Thank you all
13:25:07 * nb just emailed receipts to bexelbie
13:25:11 <bexelbie> #endmeeting