06:31:27 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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06:31:28 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
06:31:28 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
06:31:28 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2018-01-31
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06:31:47 <tagoh_> hi
06:32:05 <epico> hi
06:32:19 <mfabian> ☺
06:33:14 <paragan> #chair tagoh_ epico mfabian
06:33:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico mfabian paragan tagoh_
06:34:43 <bhavin192> Hi
06:35:10 <paragan> ping fujiwarat suanand pravin_s
06:36:09 <paragan> I think we can start
06:36:22 <paragan> let's go through today's agenda
06:36:31 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:36:31 <paragan> #info 2017-11-14 	Fedora 27 Release
06:36:31 <paragan> #info 2018-01-09 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:36:31 <paragan> #info 2018-01-09         Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild)
06:36:31 <paragan> #info 2018-01-30 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
06:36:33 <paragan> #info 2018-01-31 	Mass Rebuild
06:37:05 <paragan> if you are following devel list you can see newer gcc and some other changes have landed already in rawhide
06:38:21 <paragan> as per schedule f28 mass rebuild should start today
06:38:47 <paragan> so let's see when releng people will start it :)
06:41:03 <paragan> let's go through all the Changes submitted for Fedora 28
06:41:40 <paragan> #topic Outstanding issues
06:41:40 <paragan> #info #87: F28 Change: Fontconfig 2.13 (tagoh)
06:41:40 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/87
06:42:39 <paragan> tagoh_, you want to share update on this change like its development progress? is it on track or already completed :)
06:43:24 <tagoh_> not too much updates on it though, may have a new snapshot to fix some bugs shortly
06:43:58 <paragan> cool
06:44:50 <paragan> #info this Change is in development progress
06:45:28 <paragan> next ticket
06:45:34 <paragan> #info #88: F28 Change: Japanese Default Fonts to Google Noto (tagoh)
06:45:34 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/88
06:46:00 <paragan> Can we know update on this Change progress?
06:46:13 <suanand> (hi, sorry)
06:47:00 <tagoh_> sure. well, the relevant updates on font packages and comps has been done except noto.
06:48:17 <paragan> tagoh_, what is remaining for Google Noto font?
06:48:41 <tagoh_> just build
06:48:57 <paragan> okay :)
06:49:10 <fujiwarat> hi
06:49:53 <paragan> #info this Change is in development progress
06:50:05 <paragan> next ticket
06:50:58 <paragan> #info #89: F28 Change: Korean Default Fonts to Google Noto (tagoh)
06:50:58 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/89
06:51:04 <tagoh_> ditto
06:51:09 <paragan> thanks
06:51:14 <paragan> #info this Change is in development progress
06:51:36 <paragan> next ticket
06:52:05 <paragan> is mfabian around?
06:52:09 <mfabian> Yes.
06:52:15 <mfabian> paragan: yes.
06:52:15 <paragan> :)
06:52:23 <paragan> #info #90: F28 Change: Glibc collation update and sync with cldr (mfabian)
06:52:23 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/90
06:52:28 <paragan> Can we know update on this Change progress?
06:52:42 <mfabian> I posted my patches to the libc-alpha mailing list.
06:53:47 <mfabian> https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2018-01/msg00888.html
06:53:51 <mfabian> and following mails.
06:53:56 <mfabian> I got some feedback.
06:54:19 <paragan> nice to hear that
06:55:02 <mfabian> I used ISO14651_2017_TABLE1_en.txt downloaded from ISO as an update for the iso14651_t1_common file in glibc. Carlos O’Donell found a newer version:
06:55:17 <mfabian> http://standards.iso.org/iso-iec/14651/ed-4/ISO14651_2016_TABLE1_en.txt
06:55:22 <paragan> aha
06:55:27 <mfabian> Yesterday I updated to the at newer version.
06:56:17 <mfabian> That was quite easy because I had most of the work done when updating to ISO14651_2015_TABLE1_en.txt already (2017 above  is a typo!)
06:56:39 <mfabian> I could cherry-pick all my patches and needed only minor changes.
06:56:58 <mfabian> So I can post a new patch set to libc-alpha.
06:57:09 <paragan> any idea if it will become part of glibc-2.27 release?
06:57:27 <paragan> I think its scheduled tomorrow for release
06:57:27 <mfabian> Probably not, the wiki says "Postponed to 2.28."
06:57:48 <mfabian> So that means this change will not make it to Fedora 28, unless we patch our glibc package in Fedora 28.
06:58:16 <mfabian> I think patching our glibc package in Fedora 28 would make sense, I must discuss this with Carlos and Florian though.
06:58:28 <paragan> Okay. Maybe once they will get committed in upstream, we can request glibc maintainers to include it.
06:58:34 <paragan> mfabian++
06:58:53 <mfabian> I noticed last week that I forgot Malayalam collation.
06:59:07 <paragan> oh
06:59:19 <paragan> so you created patch for that also now ?
06:59:19 <mfabian> The old iso14651_t1_common file in glibc had some changes for Malayalam, according to the git log.
06:59:34 <mfabian> The ml_IN locale has nothing.
07:00:03 <paragan> hm ok
07:00:05 <mfabian> So with the new iso14651_t1_common file, which is unchanged as it came from ISO, I think the ml_IN locale now needs some rules.
07:00:22 <mfabian> These rules: https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/collation/ml.xml
07:00:30 <mfabian> So I am implementing this for glibc now.
07:00:49 <mfabian> When I have finished that I’ll post my updated patch set to libc-alpha.
07:00:52 <mfabian> Probably tomorrow.
07:01:40 <mfabian> Does  anybody have a good test file for the Malayalam sort order?
07:02:07 <paragan> maybe pravins can help with that ^^
07:02:21 <pravins> paragan: hi.
07:02:36 <mfabian> I just made a test file myself, by looking at the rules in https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/collation/ml.xml, but probably that could be improved with a better test file.
07:02:39 <pravins> i need to search it.
07:02:47 <pravins> i remember, i created one long time back.
07:02:56 <pravins> mfabian: please ping me later.
07:03:02 <mfabian> pravins: OK!
07:04:40 <paragan> mfabian, thanks for the update
07:05:58 <paragan> #info this Change needs some work to finish it in upstream
07:06:14 <paragan> next ticket
07:06:25 <paragan> #info #91: F28 Change: IBus_Unicode_Typing (fujiwara)
07:06:25 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/91
07:06:37 <paragan> Can we know update on this Change progress?
07:07:00 <paragan> fujiwarat, ^^
07:07:21 <fujiwarat> Now the major of the feature is implemented in upstream and the new translations are available in zanata.
07:09:29 <fujiwarat> I'm still developing other features and fixing bugs and the some patches will be available in fedora alpha.
07:09:54 <paragan> fujiwarat, thanks for the update
07:10:10 <paragan> please note we don't have alpha releases now in Fedora
07:10:33 <paragan> so maybe this will be available before Beta freeze?
07:11:08 <fujiwarat> yeah, maybe a snapshot before translation dead line.
07:11:13 <paragan> Actually we have this deadline for all the Changes
07:11:14 <paragan> 2018-02-20 	Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
07:11:34 <paragan> Okay
07:12:23 <paragan> #info this Change is in upstream development progress and soon be available in Fedora
07:12:37 <fujiwarat> Will complete before the code complete deadline.
07:12:43 <paragan> cool
07:12:46 <paragan> fujiwarat++
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07:13:25 <paragan> next ticket
07:13:35 <paragan> #info #92: F28 Change: Chinese Default Fonts to Google Noto (pwu)
07:13:35 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/92
07:13:42 <paragan> Can we know update on this Change progress?
07:13:53 <paragan> epico, ^^
07:14:20 * epico will update adobe fonts and noto fonts.
07:14:43 <epico> and fedora comps.
07:15:31 <paragan> epico, thanks for the update
07:15:45 <paragan> #info this Change is in development progress
07:15:58 <paragan> next ticket
07:16:09 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
07:16:09 <paragan> #info #78: package Liberation Classic Font in Fedora (pnemade)
07:16:09 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/78
07:16:21 <paragan> pravins, do you have any update on this?
07:16:55 <paragan> about upstream changes in Liberation font
07:17:54 <pravins> paragan: i have created change proposal on 29th
07:18:15 <pravins> But i am not sure, about whether we will able to complete it during F28.
07:18:19 <pravins> Other update:
07:18:23 <paragan> right
07:18:33 <pravins> I have updated fonts name in upstream: https://pagure.io/liberation-classic-fonts
07:19:04 <pravins> but fontname count is getting much bigger:  LiberationClassicSans, LiberationClassicSans-Regular
07:19:18 <pravins> its crossing 31 character limit for few fonts.
07:19:22 <paragan> Oh
07:19:29 <pravins> specifically LiberationClassicNarrow
07:19:56 <pravins> so, i think it is good to use "One" instead of "Classic"
07:20:01 <pravins> What others think about it?
07:20:16 <pravins> LiberationOneSans- Regular, Italic, Bold, BoldItalic
07:20:26 <pravins> LiberationOneSerif- Regular, Italic, Bold, BoldItalic
07:20:32 <pravins> LiberationOneMono- Regular, Italic, Bold, BoldItalic
07:20:40 <pravins> LiberationOneNarrowSans- Regular, Italic, Bold, BoldItalic
07:21:36 <paragan> I think it makes sense as we got character limit issue while naming the fonts
07:22:17 <pravins> yeah and good to have small fonts name :)
07:22:20 <pravins> Ex: Noto ;)
07:23:48 <pravins> this is only update from me.
07:24:03 <pravins> I will update LiberationOne, i need to create new pagure repo now.
07:24:28 <paragan> okay thanks for the update
07:24:31 <paragan> pravins++
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07:25:04 <paragan> next ticket
07:25:20 <paragan> so the last ticket for today's meeting is
07:25:21 <paragan> #info #84: Fedora 26 Bug triaging (pnemade)
07:25:21 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/84
07:25:35 <paragan> #info The bug list for Fedora 26 is https://da.gd/sFmG
07:27:11 <paragan> looks like current count is 28
07:27:15 <paragan> ah 38
07:27:37 <paragan> let's keep that list triaged and move the tickets to rawhide or fix them :)
07:27:46 <pravins> :)
07:27:52 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
07:28:00 <paragan> anything to be discussed here?
07:29:03 <paragan> if not let's close the meeting
07:29:23 <pravins> yes.
07:29:38 <pravins> Thanks paragan for chairing meeting.
07:29:56 <paragan> Thanks all who joined this meeting
07:29:59 <paragan> #endmeeting