13:00:21 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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13:00:24 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
13:00:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine'
13:00:26 <stickster> #topic Roll call
13:00:29 <stickster> .hello pfrields
13:00:30 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
13:00:39 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
13:00:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: ryanlerch stickster
13:00:48 * stickster waits to see who saunters in
13:02:41 <stickster> ryanlerch: should we go ahead and start?
13:03:26 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats, et al.
13:04:00 * cverna is around but working in the same time
13:04:17 <stickster> #info Week of Nov 27: Just below 72K page views, only slightly down from the week before
13:04:37 <stickster> #info November 2017: 389.5K+ page views, BEST MONTH EVER!
13:05:22 <stickster> #info and finally... as of Dec 6, we are at 2,930K page views for the year, which means our 3M views goal for 2017 is on track!
13:05:24 <cverna> \o/
13:05:32 <stickster> ^ mattdm
13:08:19 <stickster> Hmm, it looks like ryanlerch disappeared
13:08:35 * stickster holds for a few minutes
13:11:12 <stickster> I'm guessing outage there
13:11:22 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
13:11:23 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
13:11:24 <ryanlerch> sorry!
13:11:27 <stickster> Oh there he is!
13:11:36 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
13:11:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: ryanlerch stickster
13:11:42 <ryanlerch> i was checking my client, but it seemed to have disconnected
13:11:49 <ryanlerch> so sorry!
13:11:52 <stickster> ryanlerch: not sure whether you can see the stats info above
13:12:04 <ryanlerch> i didnt, but 70K to go!
13:12:08 <stickster> YES!
13:12:18 <stickster> Well, let's plunge ahead and see what we can do this week
13:12:20 * ryanlerch checked the stats eariler today!
13:13:07 <stickster> #topic Pending review
13:13:11 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending
13:13:47 <stickster> #info --- COPR for december ---
13:13:49 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19535&preview=1&_ppp=7731e77f44
13:14:00 <stickster> This one I edited last weekend, and is ready to go whenever we want
13:14:51 <stickster> #info --- redis ---
13:14:54 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19503&preview=1&_ppp=5e77366697
13:14:59 <ryanlerch> oh, another good set of copr repos!
13:15:03 <stickster> indeed
13:15:20 <stickster> also, Dominik fixed the one repo that was an issue already, per our request
13:15:51 <ryanlerch> the redis one needs a bit of work IMO
13:15:56 <stickster> as for the redis article... I'm +1 on the topic but this article is not really an article as-is
13:16:17 <ryanlerch> i was a bit lost with this topic, and most of this went over my head
13:16:20 <stickster> we seem to have been receiving a LOT of contributions from India recently, I suspect this is Amita encouraging contributions but don't know for sure
13:16:37 <stickster> But we need to set better expectations for what we want from an article, not just a list of features or comparisons
13:16:48 <stickster> it's great to get authors, that's for sure
13:17:22 <stickster> I can take the action to post back to author/list to ask for more thought to go into this article
13:17:50 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
13:17:55 <ryanlerch> thanks!
13:18:10 <stickster> like, why do I want to use this? what use cases does it solve? why this and not MySQL? There's a bit of that at the end but it's very technical and not explained well for users
13:18:26 <stickster> #action stickster ask redis article author to rethink organization and explanations from end user perspective
13:20:04 <stickster> ryanlerch: there's an uneasy undercurrent that I remember hearing from some India contributors I know, that sometimes people may be looking to the Magazine as a way to bolster a resume... that's not a bad thing per se but we don't want to be a "drop it and run" depot for articles
13:20:25 <stickster> so we need to be vigilant that the Magazine article quality stays high
13:21:20 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah,agreed
13:22:18 <stickster> should we move on to Drafts?
13:22:21 <ryanlerch> if someone drops and runs on a high-quality article though -- no complaints :)
13:22:30 <stickster> ryanlerch: +100!
13:22:53 <cverna> ryanlerch: :)
13:22:54 <stickster> yeah, it's just the ones that editors have to rewrite which are an issue
13:23:09 <ryanlerch> i think this is a good example of one that we should wait for the user to get to about 90% before we edit / re-write
13:23:17 <stickster> agreed
13:24:16 <stickster> OK, I'll move on to Drafts
13:24:19 <stickster> #topic Drafts
13:24:22 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
13:24:23 <ryanlerch> stickster: ack
13:25:04 <stickster> #info --- DIY jukebox part 2 ---
13:25:07 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19529&preview=1&_ppp=1afbc4a1e5
13:25:58 <stickster> So I think we agreed I'll take on editing this one specfically due to subject matter... there were lots of comments on part 1 where a couple readers took issue with the complexity, and/or accuracy... so hopefully this article will pick up those threads and complete the circle
13:27:03 <ryanlerch> okies -- i can be on the hook for the image for this one
13:27:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: cool, thanks!
13:27:41 <stickster> #action stickster edit DIY jukebox part 2 article
13:27:48 <stickster> #action ryanlerch provide image for DIY jukebox part 2
13:27:55 * cverna is glad stickster did mention him to edit this one
13:27:58 <cverna> not*
13:28:11 <stickster> lol
13:28:20 <stickster> #info --- Builder ---
13:28:22 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19456&preview=1&_ppp=c18b016ee8
13:28:34 <cverna> it is a big article
13:28:45 <ryanlerch> cverna: me too -- i am probably the furthest from an audio decerning person there is
13:28:59 <stickster> looks like many of the ones coming up are pretty long... don't worry cverna, we'll find something for you soon :-)
13:29:05 <stickster> (if you like)
13:29:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: did you want to take this one on?
13:29:27 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah this is something i can do!
13:29:44 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit and image for sub_pop[m] Builder article
13:30:05 <stickster> #info --- openbox ---
13:30:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18968&preview=1&_ppp=a5367aa7d3
13:30:16 <ryanlerch> stickster: do you know if anyone has reached out to chegert about this one?
13:30:22 <ryanlerch> the builder one
13:30:42 <stickster> ryanlerch: good question, my bet is not but perhaps we should encourage that
13:31:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: maybe even better, encourage a "more Builder" article with some additional features
13:31:58 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
13:33:39 <ryanlerch> stickster: still not sure about this openbox one
13:33:53 <ryanlerch> openbox is unmaintained, right?
13:33:56 <stickster> #action stickster email sub_pop[m] and list to suggest chergert collab on additional article
13:34:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: It is, that's correct -- but it's still carried in Fedora as "stable" and does work
13:34:37 <ryanlerch> okies!
13:35:06 <stickster> ryanlerch: Maybe we should have an intro notice that says something about that? For example...
13:35:38 <stickster> "Openbox is no longer developed or maintained, but readers may find this alternate window manager interesting from a historical perspective"
13:36:29 <stickster> "Hundreds of people still use it worldwide" :-D  (I just made that part up)
13:37:29 * ryanlerch wonders is cverna is interested in this one to edit ;)
13:38:04 <stickster> ryanlerch: cverna: Actually, I did this one earlier, the author inadvertently pasted over all my edits, and I'd like to take this one since it will be complicated to bring them back... I wouldn't want cverna to have to repeat all my work
13:38:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: ah, sorry! forgot about that!
13:38:49 <ryanlerch> and this one i already did the image for too!
13:39:05 <stickster> #action stickster re-do edits on openbox so this can be scheduled too
13:39:07 <stickster> yes!
13:39:09 <cverna> I would like to start writing my article on pss too. So I am not sure I will have much time editing too.
13:39:22 <ryanlerch> ryanlerch++
13:39:22 <zodbot> ryanlerch: You may not modify your own karma.
13:39:29 <stickster> LOL
13:39:34 <stickster> cverna: if you want to concentrate on the pss article, that would be just fine!
13:39:39 <cverna> :D
13:39:45 <ryanlerch> pss?
13:40:11 <cverna> https://github.com/eliben/pss
13:40:25 <cverna> ryanlerch: ^^
13:40:47 <ryanlerch> ooh
13:40:52 <ryanlerch> interesting
13:41:01 <stickster> yeah, this was a code searching tool whose pitch we approved last meeting
13:41:18 <stickster> cverna++ for developer centric article
13:41:26 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
13:41:28 <ryanlerch> cverna++
13:41:37 <ryanlerch> awww, no cookies left
13:41:49 <ryanlerch> might have to change to my alter-ego
13:42:40 <dudemcpants> cverna++
13:42:40 <zodbot> dudemcpants: Karma for cverna changed to 8 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:43:20 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Dec 8 - COPR (ready) ; Mon Dec 11 - DIY Jukebox 2 (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) ; Wed Dec 13 - Builder (edit/image: ryanlerch) ; Fri Dec 15 - Openbox (edit: stickster)
13:43:23 <cverna> haha :)
13:43:43 <stickster> pretty sneaky ryanlerch
13:44:38 <ryanlerch> schedule++
13:44:50 <stickster> #agreed Fri Dec 8 - COPR (ready) ; Mon Dec 11 - DIY Jukebox 2 (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) ; Wed Dec 13 - Builder (edit/image: ryanlerch) ; Fri Dec 15 - Openbox (edit: stickster)
13:44:55 <stickster> Cool
13:45:01 <stickster> #topic Open floor / All other business
13:45:08 <ryanlerch> to 3million!
13:45:13 <stickster> So we need to start thinking about schedule during Christmas holidays
13:45:17 <ryanlerch> pretty sure we are going to make it!
13:45:32 <ryanlerch> so stoked!
13:45:46 <stickster> Part of me wants to say, hey, if we hit 3M, we should be content to reschedule some "greatest hits"
13:46:20 <ryanlerch> stickster: like the old elections interviews?
13:46:25 <stickster> :-P
13:46:44 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm on vacation after Fri 15 December... so next week I could help get a couple new things teed up to publish during the week of Dec 18-22, and we can find a few goodies to go back up Dec 25-Jan 1 -- that's four slots total
13:47:20 <stickster> It would be cool if we select them from this year so they're not too old/moldy
13:47:25 <stickster> what do you think?
13:47:32 <ryanlerch> surely there is some quirky holiday-themed terminal thing we can write an article about too
13:47:55 <stickster> LOL "show a candy cane on your terminal"
13:47:56 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure -- and i think were-did most of the other ones last year too
13:48:02 <stickster> *nod
13:48:21 <ryanlerch> like sl, but christmas themed
13:49:53 <stickster> I have a grinchy idea for this
13:50:19 <stickster> We could have an article that has people curl a URL, and then it delivers a holiday message from the Magazine staff to their terminal ;-)
13:51:42 <cverna> stickster: +1, I like that idea
13:51:53 <stickster> it's geeky enough to be a winner :-)
13:52:32 <stickster> #action stickster figure out where we could stash the holiday message... preferably on fedorapeople.org but not something that we'll lose track of... i.e. a shared folder for team somewhere
13:52:56 <stickster> Actually, ryanlerch would you be able to take that action item?
13:53:12 <stickster> I just realized I may be overextending a bit
13:53:23 <stickster> also being selfish with the #actions
13:54:18 <stickster> bah, never mind -- this will be a 10 minute operation, I can do it ;-)
13:54:37 <stickster> anything else before we close up shop? ryanlerch, cverna?
13:54:44 <ryanlerch> stickster: okie doke!
13:55:00 <stickster> #action ryanlerch stickster cverna Think up which articles to republish over holiday break
13:55:05 <stickster> #undo
13:55:05 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 13:55:00 : ryanlerch stickster cverna Think up which articles to republish over holiday break
13:55:15 <stickster> #action ryanlerch stickster cverna Think up which articles to republish over holiday break (preference is for popular 2017 articles)
13:55:48 <stickster> #idea What if we made a *new article* of greatest hits pointing to those old articles?!?
13:56:06 <pingou> idea for new article (just discussed with mattdm ) how to get started with jitsi :)
13:56:13 <stickster> like, several of them... one for desktop, one for developers, and one for HDYF interviews?
13:56:19 <stickster> pingou: LOVE IT
13:56:36 <stickster> pingou: Are you volunteering to write?
13:56:44 <pingou> like how to set username, avatar, recording (didn't use this one)
13:57:03 <pingou> I can start something, but things like the recording I'd need help
13:57:12 <stickster> pingou: I'm sure we can find help for it :-
13:57:13 <stickster> )
13:57:29 * pingou throws mattdm in
13:58:37 <stickster> disco
13:58:42 <stickster> that guy never does ANYTHING  ;-P
13:58:56 <Rathann> hi
13:59:14 <stickster> #agreed pingou mattdm pitch idea on getting started with jit.si -- APPROVED
13:59:16 <pingou> stickster: actually, we could just use the video mattdm is currently doing, it contains all what we want :D
13:59:22 <stickster> Nice!
13:59:36 <mattdm> lolol
13:59:38 <stickster> OK, let's close up, I think there's a meeting directly after us
13:59:40 <stickster> Hi Rathann
13:59:55 <ryanlerch> i didnt approve it
14:00:02 <stickster> oops!!!
14:00:04 <ryanlerch> haha
14:00:04 <stickster> #undo
14:00:04 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 13:59:14 : pingou mattdm pitch idea on getting started with jit.si -- APPROVED
14:00:14 <ryanlerch> +1 on jit.si article
14:00:22 <stickster> "THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA AND YOU ARE BAD FOR SUGGESTING IT"
14:00:27 <stickster> #agreed pingou mattdm pitch idea on getting started with jit.si -- APPROVED
14:00:35 <ryanlerch> things are funny at 00:00
14:00:43 <stickster> OK, closing up so next folks can get in here
14:00:48 <stickster> Thanks for coming, everyone!
14:00:49 <stickster> #endmeeting