06:31:26 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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06:31:27 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
06:31:27 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
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06:31:27 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2017-09-27
06:31:34 <suanand> hi..
06:32:07 <tagoh__> hi
06:32:16 <mfabian> hi
06:34:02 <epico> hi
06:35:15 <paragan> let's start with the agenda
06:35:28 <rluzynski> Hi, I hope this is the right place/time.
06:35:37 <paragan> we will see the current F27 schedule
06:35:42 <paragan> rluzynski, yes
06:35:53 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:35:53 <paragan> #info 2017-10-03 	Beta Release
06:35:53 <paragan> #info 2017-10-17 	Final Freeze (*)
06:35:53 <paragan> #info 2017-10-31 	Fedora 27 Final Release (GA) (Target date)
06:35:54 <paragan> #info 2017-11-07 	Fedora 27 Final Release (GA) (Rain date)
06:35:54 <juhp> hi
06:36:24 <paragan> Last I know that F27 RC3 was released
06:36:30 <paragan> anyone tried?
06:36:52 <paragan> With the RC2 I am getting a lot of screen flickering in kvm
06:36:57 <mfabian> I tested an older image updated.
06:37:25 <mfabian> paragan: You have to use -vga virtio instead of -vga qxl to remove the flicker when using wayland.
06:37:27 <paragan> the current status of blocker bugs status can be tracked here https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/
06:39:06 <juhp> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_Beta-1.3
06:39:21 <fujiwarat> hi
06:39:41 <mfabian> paragan: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1462381#c52
06:39:46 <paragan> The Indic languages issue in anaconda selection was also fixed now. previously when you selected any Indic language anaconda was crashing and the fix was added in xkeyboard-config
06:40:10 <paragan> mfabian++
06:40:10 <zodbot> paragan: Karma for mfabian changed to 1 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
06:40:45 <paragan> mfabian, thanks, just tested and its working fine now
06:41:42 <paragan> #chair suanand tagoh__ mfabian epico rluzynski juhp fujiwarat
06:41:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan rluzynski suanand tagoh__
06:42:42 <paragan> I am not able to see any new RC request
06:42:57 <paragan> so hopefully RC3 should be fixing all blocker bugs
06:43:55 <paragan> so the Beta release is scheduled on 3rd Oct
06:44:22 <paragan> Anyone got any important issue that need to be fixed in Final release?
06:45:26 <paragan> If not then good :)
06:46:06 <paragan> Let's move to tickets then
06:46:23 <paragan> #topic Outstanding issues
06:46:23 <paragan> #info #81: Fedora 27 i18n test day
06:46:23 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/81
06:47:18 <paragan> I saw that few people were busy last week and also some of the QE people still working on test day
06:47:36 <paragan> we also found issues in using the Live iso image
06:48:17 <paragan> the reasons were different like one where Indic languages failed to work in anaconda, then this flickering issue
06:48:38 <paragan> but I guess we got now all the fixes to test i18n testcases
06:49:13 <paragan> those who have not yet completed can do so with RC2 image
06:49:18 <juhp> Okay we do more testing then
06:49:58 <paragan> we will try to consolidate test results next week
06:52:00 <paragan> #info those who want to work on i18n test day can use F27 RC2 image and submit the results
06:52:15 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:52:28 <paragan> #info #72: Proposal - I18n FAD in 2017
06:52:28 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/72
06:53:13 <paragan> #info We are thankful to Fedora Council for approving Internationalization FAD budget
06:53:47 <paragan> This is great news for us and we are already started planning for this
06:54:38 <juhp> Yes
06:54:54 <paragan> we may have soon separate meeting for this FAD planning
06:55:08 <paragan> to decide agenda
06:57:06 <paragan> I think that is the update for this ticket
06:57:09 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:57:29 <juhp> Thanks
06:57:40 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
06:57:40 <paragan> #info #79: Fedora 25 Bug triaging
06:57:41 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/79
06:58:24 <paragan> I think we need to work with the QE people for this ticket
06:59:43 <pravins> hi :)
07:00:07 <paragan> the current bug count for f25 is 46
07:01:23 <paragan> let's work on this in coming days
07:03:25 <paragan> I think EOL has been discussed for f25
07:03:33 <paragan> don't know where I saw that discussion
07:04:06 <juhp> .bug 1387825
07:04:06 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 1387825 – The default keyboard layout for zh_TW (traditional Chinese) should be "us" instead of "cn" - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1387825
07:04:13 <juhp> mfabian: is that yours?
07:04:14 <pravins> paragan: this time, we will definitely do, Bug triaging day before EOL :)
07:04:23 <paragan> okay
07:04:36 <juhp> good to plan a day...
07:05:03 <pravins> juhp: yes. When is EOL?
07:05:14 <pravins> normally its month after release.
07:05:46 <mfabian> juhp: checking ...
07:06:43 <juhp> pravins: yeah - early is probably good
07:06:56 <juhp> well don't need to decide now...
07:07:01 <pravins> yes, sure
07:07:44 <mfabian> juhp: Yes, this probably comes from langtable.
07:07:54 <juhp> I thought so
07:08:20 <mfabian> juhp: I wonder whats wrong with "cn" though ...
07:08:36 <juhp> mfabian: ah point
07:08:44 <juhp> they are identical?
07:08:51 <mfabian> juhp: It is the same as "us", just called differently.
07:09:22 <epico> I think it is identical, the same for Simplified Chinese.
07:09:43 <juhp> still probably more correct to use US?
07:09:48 <epico> SC use cn also.
07:10:35 <epico> Simplified Chinese also uses "cn" keyboard.
07:10:36 <juhp> I thought TW keyboard also has extra markings?  bicbw
07:10:58 <juhp> I forgot the name of the symbols - dunno how common
07:11:33 <mfabian> juhp: Yes, cn is idential to us but tw has some extras.
07:11:45 <mfabian> Maybe I should change it to "tw" in langtable.
07:12:04 <juhp> right so in that sense calling is cn is a bit misleading, though okay trivial
07:12:22 <epico> +1
07:12:31 <juhp> but that needs change to xkeyboard-config?
07:13:12 <juhp> mfabian: taking the bug?
07:15:11 <juhp> ah guess you moved it already
07:15:21 <mfabian> juhp: moved to f27 and assigned to me.
07:15:29 <juhp> thanks
07:16:59 <mfabian> "tw" has AltGr enabled and some dead keys and special symbols on AltGr, otherwise it is identical to "us".
07:17:46 <epico> oh
07:19:06 <juhp> mfabian: sounds right though I dunno if it is ubiquitous
07:20:03 <mfabian> juhp: I also suspect nobody knows about these extra keys ...
07:20:20 <juhp> ?
07:21:10 <juhp> well dunno if they are useful under Linux
07:21:44 <mfabian> juhp: I mean will a typical Taiwanese user know that he can get a ç by typing AltGr+c ?
07:22:22 <mfabian> Or a ñ by typing AltGr+n ? It does no harm though ...
07:22:26 <juhp> oh maybe different to what I am talking about
07:22:40 <juhp> mfabian: dunno if it is needed
07:23:08 <mfabian> The extras are mostly Latin accented characters and dead keys to type other latin accented characters.
07:23:11 <juhp> I meant some Asian symbols
07:23:18 <juhp> okay
07:23:27 <juhp> or Chinese
07:24:25 <epico> juhp: maybe it is just some marking, not real keys, such as Zhuyin symbols.
07:25:05 <mfabian> Nothing Asian there (except maybe the Yen symbols on AltGr+4)
07:26:35 <juhp> epico: right
07:27:49 <juhp> paragan: I think we can move on
07:27:57 <juhp> Please look at your bugs there
07:29:26 <paragan> okay
07:29:34 <paragan> next ticket
07:29:56 <paragan> #info #78: package Liberation Classic Font in Fedora
07:29:56 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/78
07:30:05 <paragan> I think there is no update on this ticket
07:31:08 <paragan> therefore moving next agenda item
07:34:22 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
07:34:27 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
07:35:30 <fujiwarat> I cannot launch any GUI on f27 live iso.
07:35:41 <fujiwarat> beta 1.3
07:36:59 <paragan> strange
07:37:15 <paragan> kvm installation?
07:37:37 <mfabian> fujiwarat: What happens when trying to launch a GUI?
07:37:40 <fujiwarat> virtualbox
07:38:16 <fujiwarat> It's a blank box
07:39:02 <fujiwarat> Will try kvm later.
07:39:27 <paragan> okay
07:40:01 <mfabian> Does anybody already run f27 on his main machine?
07:40:35 <paragan> I am
07:41:06 <mfabian> paragan: Any problems? If not, I’ll update as well today ...
07:41:09 <paragan> no issues except the recent one urw-base35-fonts regression
07:41:12 <paragan> which is also fixed
07:41:27 <paragan> I am daily applying updates from f27-updates-testing repo
07:41:30 <paragan> working fine
07:41:31 <paragan> no issues
07:42:40 <paragan> if nothing to discuss let's close this meeting
07:42:48 <paragan> Thanks you all who came to this meeting
07:42:54 <paragan> #endmeeting