16:31:14 <bt0> #startmeeting Fedora CommOps Meeting (2017-09-05)
16:31:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep  5 16:31:14 2017 UTC.  The chair is bt0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:31:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_commops_meeting_(2017-09-05)'
16:31:25 <bt0> #meetingname commops
16:31:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'commops'
16:31:37 <bt0> #chair bt0 skamath
16:31:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 skamath
16:31:42 <skamath> o/
16:32:14 <bt0> hi
16:32:22 <bt0> (again :P)
16:32:28 <skamath> heheh
16:32:36 <bt0> #topic Agenda
16:32:54 <bt0> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:CommOps_2017-09-05
16:33:12 <bt0> #info (1) Roll call / Q&A
16:33:20 <bt0> #info (2) Announcements
16:33:24 <skamath> .hello skamath
16:33:25 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' <sskamath96@gmail.com>
16:33:34 <bt0> #info (3) Tickets
16:33:42 <skamath> Oh, whoops.
16:33:46 <bt0> #info (4) Open floor
16:33:57 <bt0> it's ok
16:34:18 <bt0> #chair bee2502
16:34:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: bee2502 bt0 skamath
16:34:28 <bt0> #topic Roll call / Q&A
16:34:35 <skamath> .himynameis skamath
16:34:36 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Slim Shady' <sskamath96@gmail.com>
16:34:38 <bt0> #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas
16:34:50 <bee2502> jwf++
16:34:50 <zodbot> bee2502: Karma for jflory7 changed to 20 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:34:53 <bt0> #action commops New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps/Join ]
16:35:01 <bee2502> .hello bee2502
16:35:02 <zodbot> bee2502: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' <bhagyashree.iitg@gmail.com>
16:35:19 <skamath> #info Sachin S. Kamath; UTC +5.30; CommOps, Metrics, SoC, Join, *
16:35:21 <bt0> If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask.
16:35:30 <bt0> .hello bt0dotninja
16:35:31 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
16:35:42 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez S; UTC-5;CommOps (Metrics, Community engagement), DotNet (Testing), Infrastructure(Apprentice), Marketing (Member)
16:35:54 <bt0> uff, hi bee o/
16:35:55 * bee2502 just filled the meeting timings poll
16:36:03 <skamath> bee2502++
16:36:05 <bee2502> o/ bt0 skamath
16:36:09 * bt0 too
16:36:13 <skamath> bee2502, long time no see.
16:36:16 <bee2502> skamath++ bt0++ ;)
16:36:17 <zodbot> bee2502: Karma for skamath changed to 5 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:36:20 <zodbot> bee2502: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 10 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:36:32 <bt0> cookies :P
16:36:50 <skamath> \o/
16:37:18 <skamath> bee2502 has fresh cookies for everyone ;)
16:37:30 <bee2502> skamath haha starting the meeting with cookie shower
16:37:47 <bt0> we wait a little or we continue?
16:37:51 <skamath> Positive vibes :)
16:37:58 <bt0> bee2502++
16:38:20 <bee2502> #info Bee; UTC +5.30; Metrics, CommOps, GSoC, Diversity, Life?
16:38:44 <skamath> Is that a nice SIG?
16:38:49 <skamath> Life?
16:39:03 <bee2502> skamath not yet, we should start one :P
16:39:14 <bt0> lol
16:39:16 <skamath> For sure.
16:40:17 <bee2502> we can maybe start with news and updates from FLOCK..
16:40:40 <bt0> #topic Announcements
16:40:50 <bee2502> I was hoping we could chart some fixed milestones for next 6 months or so for commops in todays meeting..
16:41:09 <bt0> #info Flock(Aug 29th-Sept 01st)
16:41:39 <skamath> #info "Fedora is on fire and it's all for good!" - mattdm++
16:41:39 <zodbot> skamath: Karma for mattdm changed to 14 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:41:51 <skamath> #link https://mattdm.org/fedora/2017flock/2017-State-of-Fedora.pdf
16:42:21 <bt0> Tell me everything
16:42:43 <skamath> bt0, checkout the slides ;)
16:43:03 <skamath> The video should be up soon on YouTube.
16:43:19 <bt0> awesome
16:44:19 <skamath> #info Important wiki articles and references will soon be moved to the shiny new docs website.
16:44:31 <bee2502> The slides are loading very slowly in my browser..
16:45:14 <skamath> To start with, Justin actually ported the Yubikey wiki to asciidoc
16:45:27 <skamath> There was an awesome image of that in the Flock Telegram group :P
16:46:28 <skamath> http://imgur.com/a/lKzR0
16:47:12 <bt0> lol, i need to do this jwf++
16:47:48 <bee2502> haha awesome .. jwf++
16:48:02 <skamath> This is something I am really excited about. Things generally gets lost in the wiki and this is a great time to move everything important to the docs website.
16:48:19 <skamath> That'll make it more organized and it looks waaay better than wiki :D
16:48:30 <bee2502> skamath will the teams decide what to move what to not?
16:48:31 <bt0> that is true
16:48:46 <skamath> bee2502, That's what I think, yes.
16:49:07 <skamath> jwf / bexelbie can speak more on this if they are around.
16:49:50 * skamath goes to find CommOps session notes
16:49:56 <bee2502> okay.. so that is one task for us.. especially porting commblog related info
16:50:52 <skamath> bee2502, Yeah. I promised bex that I will write a script which will auto-generate ascii docs from the wiki page
16:50:55 <skamath> So it's upto me :P
16:51:27 <bee2502> awesome, looking forward to it :)
16:51:43 <skamath> #info We will also be working on a Fedora Contributor : How To guide which covers EVERYTHING.
16:51:50 <skamath> (well, almost everything)
16:52:24 <bee2502> skamath - for onboarding or in depth?
16:52:34 <skamath> bee2502, for both.
16:52:50 <bt0> that's very necessary
16:52:52 <bee2502> The whole wiki could turn into a HOW-TO guide..
16:53:34 <skamath> In a few months, we should be able to point people to this collection of docs and they'll have to follow it to get an overview of open source and the community as a whole :)
16:53:53 <skamath> We can also use this for GSoC next year
16:54:28 <bee2502> so, it is for newcomers? and not existing contributors..
16:54:30 <skamath> tl;dr : A community driven onboarding how-to
16:54:47 <skamath> bee2502, The target audience will be newcomers.
16:55:17 <skamath> I am not sure if we will integrate project specific onboarding docs in there.
16:55:32 <bt0> one of the most difficult things is to keep active contributors
16:56:14 <skamath> bt0, If someone's interested, they'll stay. We cannot hold back people.
16:56:44 <bee2502> skamath but we can definitely make things easier for them.
16:56:49 <bt0> right
16:57:12 <skamath> Yes, that's why we are coming up with these things. To make onboarding and communication easier :)
16:57:28 <bee2502> I feel we lose so many contributors because they dont know where to start and what to do
16:57:49 <bee2502> yes, the guide will help
16:58:24 <skamath> There was also a discussion about adding memory to zodbot. If zodbot sees a new nick in a channel, it should welcome the user and prompt the user to idle in the channel for a while before he gets a response.
16:59:04 <skamath> We've had a lot of people coming in, asking a question, and parting after 5 minutes.
16:59:13 <bt0> patience and perseverance are scarce qualities
16:59:18 <skamath> ^That should reduce the drop rate a bit.
17:00:08 <skamath> #info Project Specific classroom sessions will kick in soon.
17:00:29 <bt0> atomic, boltron?
17:00:31 <skamath> ^This is again, to help new contributors. I think the first one is going to be for fedora-hubs.
17:01:22 <skamath> There will be a Hubs 101 session where a hubs developer will help people setup hubs locally and explain the stack and there will be follow-up sessions
17:01:35 <bt0> awesome
17:02:16 <skamath> There are lot of people who want to contribute but can't figure out where to start. Sessions like these will give them the "boost" they require.
17:03:23 <skamath> We will also have a cheatsheet which will have all the information required to get started (in this case, with Hubs).
17:04:02 <skamath> Wait, are we still in announcements? :P
17:04:08 <bt0> classrooms are in my opinion a terrific form to engage the community and help newcomers (in all sub projects)
17:04:33 <bt0> yes, skamath
17:04:53 <skamath> This is the longest announcement session I've had in a while :P
17:05:06 <skamath> #info Future of FOSS Student Pack
17:05:57 <skamath> This is also something that we discussed during the CommOps Hack session, The idea is to have materials to guide people to what they really want to do.
17:06:49 <skamath> For instance, let's say Foo is a new contributor and wants to contribute to Python projects. We will have resources to support Foo for almost everything - right from learning Python to opening pull requests
17:07:01 <skamath> Think of it as a course plan.
17:07:36 <skamath> We will NOT teach Python but point people to resources we think are the best to do so.
17:08:36 <bee2502> how is this different than what the guidebook and Fedora Classroom is trying to accomplish?
17:09:12 <skamath> So, if someone wants to contribute to Pagure, the guide will say - "hey, you have to know Python. You can learn it [here](Some Hyperlink). Done with Python? Pagure uses this awesome framework called Flask and you can learn more about it [here](Hyperlink)
17:09:51 <skamath> bee2502, We will not teach them anything. Fedora Classroom aims at helping people in realtime.
17:10:40 <skamath> I can imagine FOSS Student guide as a flowchart. Do you know Python? If yes, Do you know Flask? No? You should learn more about it. Here are some awesome resources
17:11:30 <bee2502> skamath so how does it compare with the HOW-TO guide we were talking about earlier? Wont the same info be in HOW TO guide?
17:11:34 <bt0> like wcidff?
17:11:39 <skamath> So if we have a Classroom session for the topic Foo doesn't know about, we can point him to the recordings of that. Git 101 is coming soon - so if Foo doesn't know git, we'll say - "Hey, we had this session about Git. Check it out"
17:12:36 <skamath> bee2502, How-To guide is to give you an overview of the community. It doesn't speak tech. It'll tell you about community, what we do and how you can help us.
17:13:30 <skamath> So it's going to be like -> Start with our Contributor guide, move to our FOSS Student pack when you are ready to contribute.
17:13:50 <skamath> Does that make sense?
17:13:55 <bee2502> makes much more sense now
17:14:03 <skamath> Yeay \o/
17:14:26 <bt0> \o/
17:15:00 <bt0> Is there a related ticket?
17:15:04 <skamath> Not yet.
17:15:12 <skamath> We need to open lots of tickets.
17:15:36 <skamath> #nick jwf
17:15:58 <bt0> ok, ok
17:16:27 <skamath> #action jwf / skamath Start opening tickets for every point that was discussed during the CommOps Hack session
17:17:00 <bt0> cool :D
17:17:21 <skamath> eof *phew*
17:17:31 <bt0> ufffff
17:17:36 <skamath> I'm really excited about all this.
17:18:16 <bt0> yeah, sounds a lot of work but we can handle this (and more ;) )
17:18:28 <skamath> Not sure if I explained it right though. bex should be able to explain this  way better :P
17:18:37 <bee2502> next few months will be busy and exciting!
17:18:53 <Southern_Gentlem> after you get the first docment written it will start flowing
17:19:24 <skamath> Southern_Gentlem, heh yeah. Markdown <3
17:19:53 <skamath> And porting is really easy with pandoc :)
17:20:10 <skamath> #link http://pandoc.org/
17:22:39 <bt0> skamath++ (i don't know pandoc)
17:22:55 <bt0> (ye)
17:22:59 <bexelbie> explain which?
17:23:01 <bt0> (yet)
17:23:09 <skamath> bexelbie is here \o/
17:23:15 * bexelbie is here briefly
17:23:45 <skamath> bexelbie - how the FOSS Student Pack (the Python step by step guide) is different from classroom.
17:24:03 <bexelbie> I was not aware that was the FOSS Student Pack
17:24:04 <skamath> I tried to explain it. You can confirm if that's right
17:24:21 <bexelbie> my understanding was we wanted to create a guide for how to become a python contributor to hubs from 0-to-hero
17:24:29 <bexelbie> and some of htat will be classroom sessions
17:24:41 <skamath> Oh, I thought that was to be part of the Student pack
17:24:43 <bexelbie> but the final artifact is a golden-path document with links to archived classrooms and other writing
17:24:50 * bexelbie is unclear as to what our student pack is
17:25:24 <skamath> bexelbie, FOSS Student pack is a collection of resources for newcomers.
17:25:44 <bexelbie> sounds like this is potentially useful as part of that
17:25:53 <bexelbie> and that parts of that can be reused for this (if any of it already exists)
17:26:02 <skamath> Absolutely. That's why I thought this was part of this.
17:26:19 <skamath> So if I'm not wrong, all this is going to be put up on the new docs site, right?
17:26:37 <skamath> (or is it still a topic of debate)
17:27:17 <bexelbie> my understanding was we wanted to put it up using hte docs publishing engine and link to it from docs.fp.o
17:27:24 <bexelbie> it will not be versioned along with Fedora however
17:27:54 <skamath> Oh yeah, I meant the linking part.
17:28:03 <skamath> bexelbie++ :D
17:28:12 <bt0> bexelbie++
17:28:37 <skamath> Nope, cake doesn't go well with cookies.
17:28:59 <bexelbie> and the build skamath :)
17:29:06 <bexelbie> we get that for "free" with the docs systems
17:29:07 <bee2502> bexelbie++
17:29:08 <zodbot> bee2502: Karma for bex changed to 10 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:29:19 <bt0> (o.O) cookie cake
17:29:38 <bexelbie> cookie cakes are often lovely :)
17:29:44 * bexelbie has to go offline for a bit
17:29:47 <bexelbie> anything before I run?
17:30:00 <skamath> bexelbie, I am almost done with the resource compilation. I am expecting a mail about the docs site from you on the list
17:30:22 <bexelbie> skamath, ok, I will endeavor to remember to send it - if you don't get it soon, please ping me
17:30:29 * bexelbie has meetings most of today and tomorrow :(
17:30:53 <skamath> bexelbie, Take your time. I'll ping you sometime later.
17:30:57 <bexelbie> cool
17:31:01 * bexelbie steps away
17:31:21 <skamath> T-30 minutes.
17:31:46 <skamath> Is there anything else?
17:31:55 <bt0> no from me
17:32:29 <skamath> #topic Tickets
17:32:53 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issues?tags=meeting
17:33:13 <bt0> the new is #116
17:33:29 <bt0> #info === Ticket #116: "Meeting Time Reschedule" ===
17:33:39 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/116
17:34:31 <skamath> #link http://whenisgood.net/5cqx8hi
17:34:49 <bt0> just have to vote, right?
17:34:50 <skamath> #nick commops
17:35:31 <skamath> #action commops Go vote. We need maximum votes on this to decide on a better timing
17:36:06 <skamath> #action skamath Post results of the poll next week
17:36:44 <bt0> cool
17:37:41 <bt0> something else about this?
17:37:45 <skamath> nfm
17:39:04 <bt0> ok, next
17:39:12 <bt0> #info === Ticket #114: "Use GrimoireLab tools to centralize metrics" ===
17:39:22 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/114
17:39:31 <skamath> So, this is definitely a GO.
17:39:50 <skamath> People liked the idea of having a central dashboard. Let's do this!
17:40:03 <bt0> \o/
17:40:35 <skamath> I'll start working on this soon, maybe in a couple of weeks. I think we can remove this from the agenda for now. I'll tag this with meeting when we have something to discuss.
17:40:50 <bt0> ok, cool
17:40:53 <bee2502> let me know if u need any help
17:41:12 <skamath> bee2502, for sure :)
17:41:42 * skamath just removed the meeting tag
17:41:43 <bt0> right, anything I can help let me know
17:42:05 <skamath> bt0, I know I know :D
17:42:19 <bt0> so, #88 too, right?
17:42:31 <skamath> I'll triage tickets this week.
17:42:36 <skamath> So, yes.
17:42:49 <bt0> #info === Ticket #70: "FOSS Student Pack" ===
17:42:53 <skamath> Oh wait, that's release party metrics.
17:43:02 <skamath> Yeah, okay. Related.
17:43:07 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/70
17:43:40 <skamath> Do we have anything new on this?
17:43:56 <bt0> no, skip :(
17:44:02 <bt0> i think
17:44:22 <skamath> +1
17:44:27 <bt0> +1
17:44:29 <jonatoni> .fas jonatoni
17:44:30 <zodbot> jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
17:44:32 <bee2502> +1
17:44:35 <skamath> jonatoni, o/
17:44:43 <jonatoni> hello :)
17:44:52 <bt0> hello jonatoni
17:45:05 <jonatoni> hello bt0 :)
17:45:17 <skamath> jonatoni, recovered from jet lag? :P
17:45:41 <jonatoni> yes, I'm pretty well now
17:46:03 <jonatoni> also attending a workshop at Open Labs now :P
17:46:15 <skamath> \o/
17:46:35 <bt0> ok, i need to do this too jonatoni++
17:46:35 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for jonatoni changed to 6 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:47:00 <skamath> T - 15 minutes.
17:47:07 <bt0> #topic Open floor
17:47:25 <bt0> Ok, a little friendly talk... anyone?
17:47:37 <skamath> Need the mic, anyone?
17:48:07 <bt0> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:48:12 <mizmo> hey
17:48:18 <skamath> mizmo, o/
17:48:20 <mizmo> i had a question for you :)
17:48:27 <mizmo> \o
17:48:37 * skamath listens
17:48:52 <mizmo> i was wondering if anyone on commops would be willing to interview some students i am working with on fedora hubs, to understand the team's needs so they can design widgets for you
17:49:18 <mizmo> this could be over email, irc, video chat, whatever works
17:49:21 <skamath> I'd love to but I have a few other tasks to complete this week.
17:49:23 <skamath> Anyone?
17:49:45 <bee2502> I can..
17:49:53 * bt0 cans
17:49:54 <mizmo> bee2502: that would be awesome!
17:50:01 <mizmo> bt0: great
17:50:15 <skamath> yeay \o/
17:50:15 <mizmo> can you pm me the best email addresses to reach you at, so i can hook you up?
17:50:29 <bee2502> mizmo that works.
17:50:48 <bee2502> anything to keep in mind?
17:51:19 <mizmo> bee2502: the main thing they'll ask about is what kinds of comm ops tasks you work on, waht your workflow is, what are the pain points they could help make better
17:51:36 <mizmo> so i guess keep whatever is too much of a pain to do that you'd like to be easier in mind for them :)
17:52:18 <bee2502> mizmo - I am not sure why I cant pm you, but the bee2502@f.p.o address works for me
17:52:41 <mizmo> bee2502: okay great
17:52:45 * mizmo wonders why pm didn't wrok
17:53:07 <bee2502> mizmo - it says that I must be logged in
17:53:18 <mizmo> bee2502: what IRC client are you using
17:53:21 <mizmo> ohhh
17:53:23 <mizmo> thats freenode
17:53:26 <bt0> odd
17:53:27 <skamath> mizmo, do you have +R?
17:53:28 <mizmo> to pm on freenode you have to identify with nickserv
17:53:52 <mizmo> skamath: maybe? i dont control that, i'm logged in using matrix... if i take it off can people more easily message me?
17:54:02 <bee2502> mizmo I changed my client just before the meeting, haven't still gotten to it.
17:54:05 <mizmo> bt0: do you have the same issue?
17:54:14 <skamath> mizmo,  +R blocks people who are not identified with Freenode from pming you
17:54:21 <bt0> no
17:55:58 <mizmo> cool i got yours bt0
17:56:01 <mizmo> thanks bee2502 and bt0 !
17:56:08 <bt0> :)
17:56:15 <skamath> Thanks mizmo for doing this :)
17:56:17 <skamath> mizmo++
17:56:17 <zodbot> skamath: Karma for duffy changed to 3 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:56:25 <bt0> mizmo++
17:56:25 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for duffy changed to 4 (for the f26 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:56:28 <mizmo> sure i hope it'll be helpful
17:56:47 <skamath> I'm sure it'll be.
17:57:02 <bt0> so, end meeting?
17:57:15 <skamath> eof
17:57:29 <bt0> T - 3 mins
17:57:35 <bt0> #endmeeting