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01:02:08 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
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01:02:18 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:02:41 * mikedep333 is here
01:02:54 <award3535> #chair mikedep333
01:02:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 mikedep333
01:03:01 <award3535> evening mikedep333
01:03:06 <mikedep333> evening
01:03:52 <award3535> will wait to see if anyone else shows up tonight
01:04:03 <mikedep333> Yeah
01:04:30 <award3535> your event on track, seems like we answered your questions i hope
01:05:47 <mikedep333> Yes, it is.
01:05:58 <mikedep333> And I just saw a pleasant surprise in this room's previous meeting.
01:06:11 <mikedep333> <marc84>  I'll be in Fosscon 2017 in Philadelphia this Saturday August 26, 2017
01:06:16 <award3535> what was that I just came up a few minutes ago
01:06:35 <mikedep333> Mark said that at 2:24 PM eastern time.
01:06:59 <award3535> cool
01:07:19 <mikedep333> I have to say, the event box was packed very neatly.
01:07:38 <award3535> kk4ewt does keep a neat box
01:07:54 <mikedep333> I am running into some issues with the Raspberry Pi Lapdock. I think Fedora has trouble with the fact that the display is less than 1080p after I apply the updates to Fedora 26.
01:08:18 <award3535> there was some emails floating around about an event in MD, hope more show up
01:08:24 <mikedep333> I will look into changing the res in the bootloader,  and into just not updating it from stock F26.
01:08:26 <nb> hi
01:08:27 <mikedep333> I saw that.
01:08:33 <award3535> #chair nb
01:08:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 mikedep333 nb
01:08:44 <award3535> congratulations nb
01:08:45 <nb> bexelbie, ping i think you were asking about the meeting
01:09:03 <nb> Southern_Gentlem, ping although you probably aren't here since kk4ewt isn't here
01:10:18 <mikedep333> BTW, the FOSSCON organizer wanted a blurb to put on their website.
01:10:30 <mikedep333> I combined the text from getfedora.org with the text from the wiki.
01:10:32 <nb> masta_, quaid ping ambassadors meeting
01:10:33 <mikedep333> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/MoAjTMaFZrBZJcQFkXVy-Q
01:11:51 <mikedep333> they put it up
01:12:08 <mikedep333> and they accidentally listed us as a Megabyte ($500) sponsor rather than a Kilobyte ($250)
01:12:10 <mikedep333> https://fosscon.us/Sponsors
01:12:20 <award3535> mikedep333, works for me
01:12:22 <mikedep333> and they put us up top
01:12:24 <mikedep333> yeah
01:12:53 <award3535> no worries as long as its their mistake and not ours
01:12:57 <mikedep333> yeah
01:13:35 <nb> so, I participated on the Red Hat LISA17 planning call today
01:13:58 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:14:02 <nb> They have offered me a conference pass again if i can come.  I wrote it up today and sent it up to my manager's manager
01:14:03 <award3535> go on nb
01:14:09 <nb> to ask for money from work
01:14:17 <nb> I need to start an event page on the wiki
01:14:27 <nb> If work says no, I may ask for fedora $
01:14:34 <nb> award3535, what quarter is Oct/Nov?
01:14:44 <award3535> Q3
01:14:54 <mikedep333> Oh, about  the OLPC XO-1 in the event box.
01:14:56 <nb> award3535, are we already out of q3 budget?
01:14:58 <mikedep333> We update it, right?
01:15:01 <award3535> Dec/Jan/Feb is Q4
01:15:33 <nb> award3535, sounds like there will be no sponsorship cost from Fedora
01:15:42 <nb> so it will only be travel for whatever ambassadors come
01:15:52 <nb> I need to get ahold of the west coast people (LISA17 is in SFO
01:15:58 <award3535> nb we will have to put a ticket in with council asking for more money
01:16:09 <nb> oh
01:16:10 <nb> ok
01:16:25 <nb> my budget will largely depend on what my boss says
01:16:30 <nb> and who else wants to come
01:16:50 <nb> RHT has a custom Gold sponsorship which gives us a double booth like last year
01:16:53 <award3535> there is money we have to ask and we must make a strong case with the measurable and effective statements
01:17:09 <nb> there will be plenty of people around
01:17:17 <award3535> nb we usually share with RH at these events as well
01:17:23 <nb> award3535, we are going to.
01:17:24 <award3535> where is it this year
01:17:28 <nb> award3535, SFO
01:17:40 <award3535> SFO?
01:17:43 <nb> San Francisco, CA
01:17:54 <award3535> thats a haul
01:18:12 <nb> yeah
01:18:14 <award3535> we have juggler, PG, vwbusguy out there
01:18:17 <award3535> too
01:18:21 <nb> I am hoping work will pay for me again
01:19:03 * Southern_Gentlem is lurking if need (yes i am still at work)
01:19:05 <award3535> I am going to list the tickets for tonight just so we can get some visibility not enough for votes
01:19:25 <award3535> #chair Southern_Gentlem
01:19:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Southern_Gentlem award3535 mikedep333 nb
01:20:02 <award3535> nb, did you ever get the issue with UPS taken care of, I got a bill but havent checked it yet
01:20:13 <nb> award3535, i didn't see a way to request refund
01:20:19 * nb needs to look at it again
01:20:27 * Southern_Gentlem wonders where bex is, he was asking if we were to meet tonight
01:20:44 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
01:20:56 <award3535> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issues
01:21:25 <award3535> .famnaticket 183
01:21:26 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #183: Software Freedom Day (Frederick, MD KeyLUG) - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/183
01:22:09 <award3535> Comments I have there is no event link information, no requests on what the specific event requirements
01:22:09 <mikedep333> Sigh, everytime I boot the event box laptop, the brightness is set to low (but the slider is set to high.)
01:22:17 <mikedep333> I have to work around it by changing the brightness.
01:22:43 <nb> award3535, i don't see why that ticket needs a vote
01:22:56 <nb> we have always sent swag upon request if the request is reasonable
01:22:59 <nb> unless something has changed
01:23:05 <nb> sounds like they aren't requesting much
01:23:50 <award3535> no vote on this one, but there is really no information. Remember for any money that is spent even shipping we need to have the council requirements listed
01:24:25 <award3535> where is the ticket requesting media shipped to....
01:25:08 <nb> WTF? so now we can't even send swag to people anymore without a ticket?
01:25:13 <nb> without a vote i mean
01:25:26 <award3535> I did not say that
01:25:43 <nb> i mean, sometimes i'll get a ticket where someone wants a small amount of swag to give out locally, even if there is not a specific event
01:25:47 <nb> and we have filled those in the past
01:26:29 <award3535> what i said was they need to follow the requirements, also remember I have to make an entry into the budget ledger, and if there is nothing supporting it, they may not pay
01:27:16 <award3535> if it involves money, it requires an entry, that includes shipping
01:27:34 <award3535> and it falls on our budget
01:27:49 <nb> oh, so they won't allow it to just be "Shipping for FAmNA: $xx.xx" anymore like they used to?
01:29:21 <award3535> sure, but we are out of our allotted budget, so I will need to go and request money for xxxx, and that requires documentation and justification
01:29:41 <nb> OH OK
01:29:46 <nb> oops, sorry for caps
01:30:43 <award3535> so this shipping that has occured for approved events is listed and does not raise questions
01:31:29 <award3535> because its referenced in the file that I add to the ledger and gets reviewed by the council
01:32:19 <award3535> As treasurer I enter the data when it comes up
01:33:15 <nb> true
01:34:00 <award3535> but the point I was making, if they want this and want us to ship it, there needs to be another ticket with shipping request and where and what the event entails and details when they need it. If you look at the ticket, there is none of that
01:34:08 <nb> oh ok
01:34:51 <award3535> .famnaticket 184
01:34:52 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #184: HackMIT 2017 sponsorship - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/184
01:36:23 <mikedep333> jwf: ping
01:36:23 <zodbot> mikedep333: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings
01:36:58 <award3535> There were some discussions going around on this ticket, and will require other method of payment, jwf will not be able to make it tonight, but I think this one is on track with bex's help
01:37:04 <mikedep333> jwf: We're discussing HACKMIT 2017 right now.
01:37:16 <mikedep333> great
01:37:52 <award3535> .famnaticket 181
01:37:53 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #181: FOSSCON 2017 - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/181
01:38:05 <award3535> .famnaticket 181
01:38:06 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #181: FOSSCON 2017 - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/181
01:38:37 <award3535> mikedep333 any updates you need to have on this, I believe you are good to go
01:38:45 <mikedep333> I am good to go.
01:39:05 <award3535> ok moving on
01:39:07 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:39:32 <award3535> I would like to congratulate nb for his nomination to FAmSCO
01:39:36 <nb> award3535, i am wondering how often bex updates the website? It says we only spent $500 on SELF
01:40:04 <award3535> nb he and I will be going through that tomorrow
01:40:09 <mikedep333> I am going to Flock. Who else is?
01:40:09 <nb> oh ok
01:40:13 <nb> mikedep333, i am
01:40:19 <nb> Oh, I have something important
01:40:31 <nb> #topic Proposed separation of treasurer and card holder roles
01:40:43 <nb> so, bex and some others are wanting card holder and treasurer to have to be separate
01:40:46 <nb> I don't see their reasoning
01:40:59 <nb> they think it might be a conflict of interest to have the same person do both
01:41:02 * nb does not think so
01:41:07 * nb wonders what NA thinks?
01:41:11 <award3535> nb that was because of the problems in APAC
01:41:46 <nb> yes
01:42:03 <award3535> I see problems here in NA separating the two functions
01:42:14 <award3535> more chances for loss of information
01:42:43 <award3535> plus there are only 4 Fedora card holders, the rest are RH employees that have corp cards
01:43:17 <nb> I agree
01:43:21 <award3535> we have a limit because we are not employees
01:43:39 <award3535> and I have been fairly quick with reimbursements
01:43:51 <nb> award3535, i think you are doing great
01:43:51 <award3535> less the problems with AP paying my card
01:43:56 <nb> that's why I don't want them to change it
01:44:07 <award3535> seems to be cleared up now
01:44:59 <nb> I think NA should vote to officially say we do not want the roles to be required to be separate
01:45:04 <nb> i think if regions want it separate, fine
01:45:14 <nb> but the push is to have the Council say that they have to be separate
01:46:16 <award3535> if that is the case I will retain my card and give up the role of treasurer, because there would be no interruption of credit card services
01:46:57 <award3535> since the card has been hard enough to get, imagine giving a new one to someone else
01:47:08 <nb> I am not sure where it is, if it is still a famsco ticket, or if they made a council ticket yet
01:47:19 <nb> but I think the more comments and feedback we get, the more chance that they might not require it
01:47:39 <nb> i spoke up at the famsco meeting
01:48:01 <award3535> Ok lets vote and I will create a ticket that in FAmNA asking more input for those that are not here
01:48:27 <award3535> +1 for me to retain both the card and Treasurer for FAmNA
01:48:34 <nb> +1
01:48:46 <nb> mikedep333, Southern_Gentlem ping vote plz
01:49:13 <mikedep333> +1
01:49:49 <award3535> creating ticket now
01:50:40 <nb> award3535, FWIW at least in the past, employees have a limit too, but it was much higher
01:50:52 <nb> yours is 3k, right? at least i think john's used to be
01:51:07 <nb> ruth used to run out of limit even on her employee card
01:51:15 <nb> but that's not really relevant to this discussion i guess
01:51:19 <award3535> yes you are correct, the others are much much higher
01:52:45 <nb> i think that's all i have
01:52:51 <nb> mikedep333, are you planning on doing LISA again this year?
01:53:28 <mikedep333> I'd love to go to San Francisco, but it would be cheaper for West Coast ambassadors to go.
01:53:37 <nb> yeah
01:54:30 * nb hopes i will get approved at work, so i don't have to get fedora to pay for my travel, since idk if i could, since there are closer people
01:54:31 <award3535> nb there are several out there
01:54:50 <mikedep333> Work will probably cover part of my time at the conference.
01:54:56 <mikedep333> but not my travel costs
01:55:20 <mikedep333> I even got 10 hours of paid time for Flock.
01:55:39 * nb will get as many hours as i can justify counting as "work" for Flock
01:55:48 <nb> i usually get some overtime when i go to conferences
01:56:57 * nb almost didn't ask work about Flock, and was going to take vacation, but then I asked, and told them that Flock was paying for me to go to Flock, and so they were like sure! you can go
01:57:46 <mikedep333> :)
01:59:18 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time...
01:59:51 <award3535> I will chair a meeting next week, but may not have any attendees due to Flock
02:00:01 <mikedep333> Thanks everyone.
02:00:09 <award3535> we are back to regular weekly meetings
02:00:30 * nb wonders if we should cancel next week?
02:01:07 <nb> I can try to be here, unless i am busy
02:01:28 <award3535> I will cancel it if there are no attendees for next week, will put it into the email tonight asking for replies
02:01:54 <nb> ok
02:02:05 <mikedep333> I might be busy at Flock also.
02:03:24 <nb> I will try to make it next week
02:03:26 <award3535> no worries, but i will need to ask the whole group
02:03:38 <bexelbie> nb, jenkins has been down so I haven't been able to update the site the easy way (FYI) - I'll do a manual update as I have time
02:03:47 <nb> bexelbie, oh ok
02:03:56 <nb> bexelbie, was there something you were wanting for our meeting tonight?
02:04:54 <award3535> evening bexelbie
02:05:01 <bexelbie> nb, nope, I was going to join but wound up stuck in traffic
02:05:03 <bexelbie> :(
02:05:16 <bexelbie> I am just rarely awake during the NA meeting so wanted to be available for questions
02:05:45 <award3535> bexelbie, what time tomorrow would you like to get together on irc for the ledger stuff
02:05:49 * bexelbie is sad to see Jenkins is still hosed
02:05:52 <mikedep333> bexelbie: Thank you for doing the work to make FOSSCON possible.
02:06:00 <bexelbie> award3535, tomorrow won't work - needs to be during the week of labor day
02:06:15 <bexelbie> mikedep333, I paid a bill - no hard work :) but you're very welcome
02:06:17 <award3535> no worries let me know
02:06:36 <mikedep333> Thanks everyone. good night.
02:07:32 <award3535> nb, I will update the other ticket requesting swag and see if we can get some more information.
02:08:12 <award3535> thank you all for coming, I will update everyone on next weeks meeting with a thumbs up or down
02:08:16 <award3535> #endmeeting