21:01:25 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:01:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 17 21:01:25 2017 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:01:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:01:27 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 21:01:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:01:32 <stickster> #topic Roll call 21:01:34 <stickster> .hello pfrields 21:01:35 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 21:02:52 <jwf> .hello jflory7 21:02:53 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com> 21:02:56 <jwf> Only a little bit late :-) 21:03:17 * jwf waves to stickster 21:04:07 * stickster waves bavck 21:04:14 <stickster> sorry, it's a busy afternoon here 21:04:20 <stickster> #topic Last week in review 21:04:27 <stickster> #chair jwf 21:04:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf stickster 21:04:38 <jwf> No worries, same for me, just sat down 21:04:48 <jwf> No huge rush 21:04:49 <stickster> jwf: Unless someone shows up, let's just power through a discussion about next week publishing, and Flock plans 21:04:54 <jwf> +1 21:05:05 <jwf> I know sub_pop[m] mentioned he was MIA, not sure about ryanlerch 21:06:06 <stickster> Ryan is in transit to the USA today IIRC 21:06:20 <jwf> Oh, then yes, no ryanlerch today. :-) 21:06:49 <jwf> Happy belated trails, ryanlerch! 21:08:07 * stickster looks up stats 21:08:34 <stickster> #info last week = 51K+ pageviews 21:08:50 <stickster> jwf: your "5 things" article is busting out big time! 21:09:01 <jwf> Oh, really?? 21:09:06 <stickster> we knew that listicles draw traffic... here's the proof 21:09:09 <jwf> I noticed earlier high reads on all of the old articles 21:09:30 <jwf> Oh, geez 21:09:33 <jwf> Almost 5k in a day 21:09:34 <jwf> Wow! 21:10:04 <jwf> Looks like Picard and Entangle were the fan favorites of the article 21:10:05 <stickster> not bad sir! 21:10:20 * jwf notes this somewhere in memory… 21:10:26 <stickster> Wouldn't be a bad idea for us to brainstorm more like this at Flock 21:10:29 <RNM> Congratulations :-) 21:10:32 <jwf> stickster: Same thoughts 21:10:39 <jwf> RNM: Cheers, thanks! 21:10:49 <stickster> OK, moving right along 21:11:03 <stickster> #topic Jamming schedule together for next week 21:11:19 * jwf only knew of two candidates, but goes to look again 21:11:28 <stickster> #info hoping x3mboy[m] will have another Classroom article for us (and we will fix up titles etc. as per jwf suggestion) 21:11:56 <stickster> #info Friday (tomorrow) -- stickster fixing up Ring.cx article so we can run it 21:13:05 * stickster throws Octave post in Holding Pen 21:13:15 <stickster> clearly nothing happening there for a month now 21:13:41 * jwf nods 21:13:57 <stickster> jwf: I think the "resizing images" article could work as is, just clip off the S3 part and with language fixes/slight expansion, would be an OK "quick tip" article 21:14:28 <jwf> I can't remember if that was the one I emailed the author on or not, but I never got a response back 21:15:09 <jwf> Actually, I think kdiegorsantos is here in channel? 21:15:17 * jwf isn't sure if at keyboard or not, though 21:16:08 <stickster> jwf: I've asked a number of people to give us articles on some leading-edge tech like atomic, modularity, etc. but aside from dustymabe's awesome post earlier, nothing yet :-( 21:16:26 <jwf> Hopefully we'll get something down that rabbit hole soon 21:16:27 <stickster> FOSS is its own worst enemy when it comes to publicizing 21:16:36 <jwf> It would be **awesome** to get more Atomic content on the Mag 21:17:08 <stickster> "terrible at making people care about the best technology since 1985" :-D 21:17:21 <jwf> My article on "4 ways to trick out your terminal" could be ready for Monday, with a caveat 21:17:25 <kthebyrd> i can try to play around more in atomic more, barring a busy schedule. 21:17:30 <jwf> stickster: Heheh, very true 21:17:40 <kthebyrd> i probably wouldn't be able to realistically get anything ready for about 2-3 weeks 21:18:02 <jwf> kthebyrd: If you have the time to explore, that would be awesome!! In particular, I think if you aren't already familiar with it, an article you could write as a newcomer to the technology could be very powerful 21:18:04 <stickster> nevertheless, we persisted! 21:18:21 <stickster> kthebyrd: even knowing there's something coming in 2-3 weeks is great 21:18:33 <stickster> when we have enough things like that in the pipeline, every week can be a bonanza :-) 21:18:46 <jwf> kthebyrd: I know it's hard to do in free time, but if you have time and interest to explore, that would be super cool. Also, we'll probably have a little more ideas after Flock this month too, but we'll pick up on this specifically later in the meeting 21:18:48 <stickster> that's called "scaling" and it means awesomeness 21:18:56 <jwf> The caveat mentioned earlier, though— 21:19:06 <stickster> jwf: How about I'll get the resize article ready for Monday 21:19:19 <jwf> I'm going to MIA pretty much until Flock. I'm moving twice across the country twice in this next week, hahah 21:19:26 <stickster> WOOOOOOOW 21:19:41 <jwf> Chicago => Atlanta => Rochester => Flock 21:19:41 <stickster> Not driving in that amount of time, I would hope, right? 21:19:51 <jwf> Well, not Chicago to Atlanta, but the rest is driving :-) 21:19:57 <stickster> OK, that's not horrible then 21:20:07 <stickster> and it's not width-ways across the country which would be insane 21:20:27 <jwf> I don't mind it, so long as I leave early. :) But anyways, I'll be out for the next week, or if I am around, it will be very much unplanned. 21:20:38 <jwf> Ugh, yeah, thankfully not horizontal 21:20:49 <jwf> stickster: +1 to resize article for Monday 21:20:50 <stickster> jwf: If you were to finish up your 4 things article tonight, I'll get an image ready and fix it up for Wed 21:21:28 <stickster> #action stickster edit resize article and prepare image for Mon 2017-Aug-21 publication 21:21:41 <stickster> heh, I'll spin it with "all the photos you take during the eclipse" ;-) 21:21:41 <jwf> stickster: I think the thing needing fixing up is the transparent terminal windows article mostly. The content in the one I wrote is ready to go on my end, but I noticed the transparent windows one could use a new featured image and maybe a little more how-to to it 21:21:54 <jwf> stickster: Wait, actually… 21:22:07 <jwf> stickster: What if we republished the Stellarium article on Monday… 21:22:22 <jwf> just because, y'know, eclipse :D 21:22:27 <jwf> I wonder if it would be more thematic 21:22:58 <stickster> I think we just republished that in May... might be a bit of a flog 21:23:12 <jwf> Ohhh, yeah… didn't realize it was still recent 21:23:16 <jwf> Oh well, no worries then 21:23:26 * jwf already scheduled tweets on @fedora to ping to the article during the eclipse 21:23:31 <stickster> that's cool 21:23:47 <stickster> what if you pulled the transparency thing out and just did "3 things"? 21:23:57 <jwf> So then, back to it, +1 for Ring on Friday, resizing on Monday, and terminal tricking on Wednesday 21:24:15 <jwf> Yeah, maybe that would be best since we're coming up on a very low bandwidth time of the year 21:24:25 <stickster> yeah... not sure about Friday yet but I might come up with something quick this weekend 21:24:27 * jwf doesn't want to leave stickster out to dry all of this week 21:24:39 <stickster> No gig tomorrow night so I can probably make something happen 21:25:00 <stickster> jwf: next week is tough for me since my wife is out of town, and I'm on stepped-up dad duty 21:25:06 <jwf> stickster: Awesome – maybe you could try a go at a thematic list-icle article ;) 21:25:22 <stickster> ha 21:25:26 <jwf> I wrote the one from earlier in about half an hour, starting from a Google search: "site:fedoramagazine.org terminal" 21:25:30 <stickster> "4 ways to save time when you're parenting" 21:25:39 <jwf> stickster++ lolol 21:26:07 <jwf> Anyways, I'm going to jump in to mine and drop the transparency bit so it will only need a featured image 21:26:22 <stickster> jwf: do you want to do that, or want me to? either is fine 21:26:37 <stickster> the image I mean 21:27:02 <kdiegorsantos> sorry guys, I am late 21:27:27 <stickster> #action stickster finish Ring.cx article edits and schedule for Fri 2017-Aug-18 21:27:30 <stickster> hi kdiegorsantos 21:27:32 <jwf> stickster: Yeah, I meant to drop the transparency bit, I just did that – if you could help with the featured image, you would be a lifesaver for me 21:27:36 * jwf waves to kdiegorsantos 21:27:37 <jwf> Welcome! 21:27:52 <jwf> We're down to three now: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18465&preview=1&_ppp=0ad86577b7 21:27:53 <stickster> #action stickster featured image for 4 terminal tricks article 21:27:56 <stickster> #undo 21:27:56 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:27:53 : stickster featured image for 4 terminal tricks article 21:27:59 <stickster> #action stickster featured image for 3 terminal tricks article 21:28:00 <stickster> ;-D 21:28:14 <jwf> Heheh :) 21:28:38 <stickster> For Friday... I'll uh, wing it 21:28:43 * stickster might republish something 21:28:48 <jwf> Might be best 21:29:13 <jwf> I don't think I'll be around for the meeting either next week since I'll probably be going to bed early for a very early drive 21:29:26 <kdiegorsantos> i saw the comments about the resizing images, can I proceed with that one? 21:29:27 <stickster> Aha, how about a blast from the past jwf ? 21:29:35 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/never-leave-irc-znc/ 21:29:39 <kdiegorsantos> I mean, finish writing 21:29:53 <stickster> that's 2 years old and still current (thanks stable terminal software) :-D 21:30:18 <stickster> kdiegorsantos: yes, if you want to add more, now would be the best time -- we want to publish next week 21:30:32 <stickster> kdiegorsantos: and I need to be able to edit tomorrow night 21:30:40 <stickster> (at latest) 21:30:46 <jwf> Was just going to say the above bit as well 21:31:07 <jwf> kdiegorsantos: Would be cool to tack on the rest of it if you have the time to work on it for tomorrow! 21:31:24 <stickster> right, and if not, we can go with what we have, and skip the S3 section 21:31:46 <stickster> just need to know which way :-) 21:31:46 <jwf> stickster: Big +1 on a ZNC republish. Ironically, I had a co-worker come and find me out in the office this week because he found it while setting it up, hahahah 21:31:53 <kdiegorsantos> #jwf ok 21:32:17 <stickster> #agreed Republish ZNC article Fri 2017-Aug-25 21:32:40 <jwf> kdiegorsantos: Okay, fantastic. Do we want to set a general ETA for that tomorrow, just since we're on a tight schedule this week with editor availability? 21:32:54 <stickster> jwf: I'll see what I can do about setting up a Monday article in advance. It might be a republish, too 21:33:04 <stickster> Monday 2017-Aug-28 that is -- the date many people will be in transit to Flock. 21:33:27 <jwf> stickster: So… that Sunday, I _might_ have the time to do a quick intro article to Flock 21:33:36 * jwf would like for us to do a Flock "ITSHAPPENING" article 21:33:39 <stickster> jwf: that wouldn't be terrible :-) 21:33:42 <jwf> But I know we're all at varying levels of bandwidth 21:33:46 <stickster> jwf: good segue, let me sum up this topic 21:34:08 <jwf> stickster: Heh, we could republish this one. ;) https://fedoramagazine.org/run-a-minecraft-server-using-spigot/ 21:34:15 <stickster> jwf: perfect :-D 21:34:16 <kdiegorsantos> I can finish the article tomorrow morning, no problem. 21:34:23 <stickster> thanks kdiegorsantos that would be great!!! 21:34:30 <jwf> kdiegorsantos++ That would be awesome! 21:35:11 <kdiegorsantos> but we need a feature image too 21:35:22 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing schedule: Fri Aug-18 - Ring.cx; Mon Aug-21 - Image resize; Wed Aug-23 - 3 terminal tricks; Fri Aug-25 - ZNC repush; Mon Aug-28 - Spigot AND/OR Flock lookahead 21:35:27 <stickster> kdiegorsantos: I'll take care of that, no worries 21:35:32 <jwf> kdiegorsantos: I think that's what stickster was planning to do, so long as he has time to work on it before he checks out tomorrow night. :) 21:35:37 <stickster> indeed 21:35:47 <jwf> That's mostly why we wanted to make sure we could get it done early tomorrow so we have smooth sailing into next week. 21:36:25 <jwf> stickster: +1 to proposed. Although rethinking a bit, Spigot is a little niche, so I think a better republish is: https://fedoramagazine.org/play-minecraft-fedora/ 21:36:26 <kdiegorsantos> ok, perfect 21:36:50 <stickster> #agreed Publishing schedule: Fri Aug-18 - Ring.cx; Mon Aug-21 - Image resize; Wed Aug-23 - 3 terminal tricks; Fri Aug-25 - ZNC repush; Mon Aug-28 - Play Minecraft AND/OR Flock lookahead 21:36:56 <jwf> \o/ 21:36:58 <jwf> Woot! 21:36:58 <stickster> #topic Flock plans 21:37:32 <stickster> So this is where things get hazy for me, but it may well be that I'm spread so thin right now I missed the big plan (plus I have old brain cells) 21:37:39 * jwf is curious about if you and Ryan would have time for a half hour / hour chat on Monday to flesh out some ideas… 21:37:51 <jwf> stickster: Nope, I think we're all a bit hazy on Flock coverage, other than ryanlerch's session 21:37:57 <stickster> I will definitely be around Monday evening. I have one scheduled chat already which will probably take me 4-5pm 21:37:57 <jwf> That's mostly all we talked about before 21:38:08 <jwf> stickster: Oh, also, it's worth checking the time on the Magazine session in Sched 21:38:12 <jwf> It was shifted this morning 21:38:18 <stickster> ah, thanks for that 21:38:21 <jwf> I think for a final, final time 21:39:01 <jwf> stickster: Ideally I'll be getting into Cape Cod 2-3pm, if everything goes my way on the roads. I'm committed to picking up some people who land in BOS around 7pm 21:39:10 <jwf> So maybe 5pm-6pm on Monday could work 21:39:20 <jwf> Or even earlier, so long as I land there earlier 21:39:28 <stickster> jwf: umm... Cape Cod is like 2 hours from BOS I think 21:40:01 <jwf> Oh, oof, okay, would help for me to figure that out first before making a plan… 21:40:03 <stickster> or at least the bus service is 2.5 hours, I'm guessing car is a little faster but not much given weekday traffic outbound from the city 21:40:09 <stickster> remember, rush hour 21:40:57 <stickster> yeah, google maps confirms > 2 hours right now 21:41:11 <jwf> Ugh, yeah, what I plugged into Google Maps is completely different from BOS originally 21:41:35 <jwf> Okay, I might need to see if I can work out something else, glad I'm figuring this out *now* and not Monday 21:41:48 <stickster> In any case... I will be in Cape Cod by maybe 3pm or 3:30pm. I can see about pushing my other chat back to 5pm, since no issues there 21:42:00 <jwf> Yeah, let's maybe cross that bridge when we're closer 21:42:03 <stickster> *nod 21:42:24 <jwf> In the meanwhile, is there any content we want to cover specifically? Or strategies for covering the "do"-style of the workshops this year? 21:42:34 <jwf> Or maybe people want to try to convince to write something up for us? 21:43:04 <jwf> If convincing others, it would be cool to have someone do a session "intro" to write this week, and then publish it during Flock, but… just spitballing an idea 21:43:35 <stickster> As far as articles go, I think we'd want to cover at least (1) the State of the Fedora Union on Tuesday a.m., (2) (maybe) the Red Hat/Fedora talk on Thursday a.m., and (3) the Friday "what we did" wrapup 21:43:41 <jwf> Obviously mattdm's State of Fedora is worth capturing, if we can swing that, but I know it's easier said than done per last year's bandwidth 21:44:05 <jwf> I'm a strong +1 for #1 and #3, neutral +1 on #2 if it makes sense 21:44:07 <stickster> jwf: Some people attending Flock were asked to write material as recompense for having their travel funded. 21:44:18 <jwf> stickster: I think this is more CommBlog-oriented content 21:44:22 <jwf> Or for their personal blogs 21:44:28 * jwf _hopes_ not for their personal blogs 21:44:37 * jwf really, really hopes that content ends up on the Community Blog 21:44:58 <stickster> if we were to grab one or two mass-appeal sessions, maybe we could ask specific people who are listed on Sched to summarize them for Magazine 21:45:07 <kdiegorsantos> I was thinking about an ansible article 21:45:49 <stickster> kdiegorsantos: definitely would encourage you to email the list with your idea 21:45:53 <jwf> stickster: I like that idea. I think it would be easier for us to target specific people than to have required writing come our way, just because of the type of quality we usually have. Something we could ship off on the CommBlog tomorrow could be a week of editing time on the Magazine, if you understand what you mean. 21:46:13 <stickster> kdiegorsantos: the magazine@ list, sorry for not being more specific :-) 21:46:20 <stickster> jwf: agreed 21:46:28 <jwf> kdiegorsantos: Ansible is a good topic. :) +1 for reaching out on the list, but I would definitely start with a pitch first to write out some bullet points of what you want to cover. :) It will help us give you helpful feedback first before you dive into writing. 21:46:45 * bt0 thinking in "Fedora Python Classroom lab in Educative environments" 21:47:12 <jwf> stickster: So, knowing that neither me or ryanlerch won't be around next week, what do we want to do about Flock today / tomorrow? 21:47:19 <jwf> Is there a specific person we want to reach out to? 21:47:27 <kdiegorsantos> jwf: stickster: ok, I will do that 21:47:39 <jwf> Do you think mattdm would be interested in writing the State of the Union article for convenient post-publishing after his session? 21:47:56 <stickster> jwf: ordinarily I'd say yes, but I think he's a little underwater atm 21:48:02 <jwf> Okay, I feared that 21:48:08 <jwf> kdiegorsantos: Awesome, thanks :) 21:48:19 <stickster> jwf: how about we pick one or two neat sessions on sched, and then see who's listed to attend already 21:48:35 <jwf> Yeah, I like that 21:48:39 <jwf> Scrolling through the list now 21:48:44 <jwf> #link https://flock2017.sched.com/ 21:48:45 <stickster> jwf: here's a great one! 21:48:48 <stickster> jwf: https://flock2017.sched.com/event/BmW1/fedora-floss-book-club 21:49:01 <stickster> That's totally a mass appeal session, *and* it makes a great listicle! 21:49:01 <jwf> Ahhh, yeah, I did see that one :) 21:49:25 <stickster> jwf: I could ask maxamillion to cover that one 21:49:25 <jwf> I wonder if tyll would be interested or if we could find someone attending to do that 21:49:30 <jwf> Oh, awesooooome! 21:49:34 <stickster> since tyll is running it, it might be hard for him 21:49:41 <jwf> If he's up for it, that would be very helpful 21:49:48 <stickster> If not, Jona is listed to attend and maybe could help 21:49:57 <jwf> stickster: Yeah, fair, maybe best to avoid the session organizers, heh 21:50:30 <jwf> stickster: If maxamillion doesn't think he'll have the bandwidth for it, I can follow up with Jona to see if she is interested. 21:50:39 <stickster> jwf: what about this: https://flock2017.sched.com/event/Bm9Y/setup-your-own-atomic-workstation 21:50:55 <stickster> we want to get more eyes on Atomic, *plus* this is Workstation which more people use 21:51:04 <jwf> stickster: That's actually a completely altogether other topic that I've been wanting Magazine-ified for a while 21:51:12 <jwf> If we can get it out of Flock, that would be super cool 21:51:23 <jwf> If it's something we can accurately get into a Magazine article 21:51:34 * jwf wanted to catch that one so much, but it collides with the marketing session 21:51:36 <stickster> I'm attending that and I can commit to writing it 21:52:15 <jwf> stickster++ That would be fantastic and amazing 21:52:15 <stickster> That's two whole articles, and they both "keep" well, and could be published the week after if needed 21:52:51 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Try to cover the following sessions: (1) FLOSS book club; (2) Setup your own Atomic Workstation 21:52:58 <stickster> oops 21:52:59 <jwf> I might be able to tentatively take on the State of the Fedora session, but I'm having a hard time gauging my bandwidth at Flock 21:53:06 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Try to cover the following sessions: (1) FLOSS book club (maxamillion); (2) Setup your own Atomic Workstation (stickster) 21:53:09 <stickster> *nod 21:53:25 <jwf> +1 to proposed 21:53:29 <stickster> the good news is everyone goes to the SoFU session so no distractions then hopefully 21:53:39 <stickster> #agreed Try to cover the following Flock sessions: (1) FLOSS book club (maxamillion); (2) Setup your own Atomic Workstation (stickster) 21:53:50 <jwf> Yeah, I think I can get solid notes from it, will mostly be jumping from notes => article 21:54:05 <jwf> And then also getting pictures of the big man himself :-) 21:54:08 <stickster> jwf: I'll plan to talk with ryanlerch even if you're out of pocket Monday evening doing pickup. That way we can bolster the plan as well 21:54:28 <stickster> jwf: if you trust us to jfdi, we'll have your back on Magazine, since I agree you will likely be busy 21:54:47 <jwf> stickster: Yeah, good plan – if we need to do it asynchronously, let's just do it that way and catch the third one up whenever there's a friendly time to do it 21:55:02 <stickster> jwf: right, we can use telegram or IRC to coordinate/catch up as needed 21:55:08 <stickster> or the list for that matter 21:55:09 <jwf> I'd rather have two people have a strong idea of the plan than have three people who need to sync up and map out the week 21:55:15 <stickster> +100 21:55:15 <jwf> Yeah, perfect 21:55:21 <jwf> During Flock itself, Telegram probably easiest 21:55:25 <stickster> yeah, the more sync the worse things work out in my experience too 21:55:26 <jwf> But all things we can cross then 21:55:31 <stickster> agreed +1 TG 21:55:36 <stickster> I'll have mine on then 21:55:46 <stickster> I usually don't but I use it heavily at a conf event 21:55:46 * jwf nods 21:56:01 <jwf> Will also be nice for us to coordinate on social media again, like last year too 21:56:16 <stickster> #agreed ryanlerch, stickster, and jwf will do as much async as possible, and arrange for other articles independently as needed and catch each other up on plans 21:56:18 <jwf> Anyways, I feel much better about Flock now. :) 21:56:21 * stickster too 21:56:27 <stickster> So... we haz a plan! 21:56:32 <stickster> #topic All other business (open floor) 21:56:36 <jwf> Phew 21:56:44 <jwf> That was a lot covered really fast 21:57:00 <stickster> well, there are only a small # of us here, too :-D 21:57:12 <jwf> Heh, yeah… feels like Flock season already :D 21:57:15 <stickster> right! 21:57:24 <jwf> Oh, let me drop it here too 21:57:46 <jwf> #info jflory7 / jwf will be out of pocket leading up to Flock due to moving / travel times 22:00:31 <stickster> *nod 22:00:39 <stickster> Well, I think that covers everything then 22:00:45 * stickster will end if that's cool 22:00:50 <jwf> Seems good to me. :) 22:00:53 <stickster> Thanks for coming, everyone! 22:00:55 <stickster> #endmeeting