00:59:19 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
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00:59:23 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
00:59:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
00:59:34 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
00:59:45 <award3535> #chair reher kk4ewt
00:59:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 kk4ewt reher
01:02:40 * cprofitt waves hello
01:03:29 <award3535> #chair cprofitt
01:03:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cprofitt kk4ewt reher
01:04:45 <cprofitt> I am changing your post about SELinux to a pending review status Andrew. That will likely get some more attention. I will also review it as well
01:05:37 <award3535> cprofitt thank you, was waiting for someone to pick it up
01:05:47 <award3535> ok moving to announcements
01:05:49 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:06:10 <award3535> The only one I have does concern how ambassadors create event pages now
01:07:09 <award3535> This must be include on all event pages What is the focus of the event from a Fedora point of view?
01:07:09 <award3535> How does our attendance at this event build users of or contributors to the Fedora platform overall?
01:07:09 <award3535> How does our attendance at this event build users of or contributors to specific Fedora solutions — and why are those particular solutions strategically important?
01:07:09 <award3535> How will success be measured? If the event doesn't meet its benchmarks, how will we adjust?
01:08:04 * cprofitt nods
01:08:17 <cprofitt> I agree strongly with the 'how will success be measured'
01:08:35 <cprofitt> it is important to have that in view while considering the event and preparing for it.
01:09:24 <award3535> I just wish they would have given us a little heads up before rejecting tickets and requests
01:09:52 <award3535> no the less, I will discuss this more at the next meeting
01:10:41 <award3535> moving to the next ticket
01:10:49 <kk4ewt> F25-20170703 updated live isos are available at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2  Built by the Fedora Respins Sig For more info #fedora-respins
01:10:54 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
01:11:09 <award3535> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issues
01:11:32 <award3535> .famnaticket 178
01:11:35 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #178: Remove markdude as a mentor. - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/178
01:12:46 <award3535> final decision was postponed pending response from individual of concern
01:12:56 <cprofitt> have we had any response from Mark?
01:13:43 <award3535> he has been asked by several members to respond including myself
01:14:44 <reher> I saw an email response on 6/29 to the ambassadors mailing list iirc
01:14:57 <reher> that's all I have seen, nothing on the ticket
01:15:11 <kk4ewt> which says alot
01:15:37 <award3535> reher that was a response that should have been sent only to nb, but he chose to blast an inappropriate response to everyone
01:16:30 <award3535> an email was personally sent to him asking if he was still active because FAmSCO was cleaning up the mentor status
01:17:34 <cprofitt> hmm...
01:18:15 <award3535> without going into too much detail, he has really been inactive for sometime but says he is training new ambassadors, but did not follow the process set forth
01:19:28 <cprofitt> I can not speak to MarkDude specifically, but from my time on the Community Council at Ubuntu I can only advise that letting something fester causes more issues down the road.
01:20:34 <award3535> cprofitt that is what sparked the ticket, we are not removing his ambassador status, just mentor status
01:21:16 <cprofitt> I would advise setting a deadline for him to meet and discuss the matter with FamNa leadership and if that deadline is missed then he should be removed from mentor status and will have to re-earn that if desired.
01:21:35 <cprofitt> If this meeting was that deadline then do not hesitate to take action.
01:21:47 <kk4ewt> cprofitt,  thus the reason for this meeting for this ticket
01:22:45 <jsandys> late
01:23:01 <award3535> there are a few that said this should have been done earlier down the road but did not know how to go about it, and yes this meeting is for that, and bex completely agrees with the action FAmNA has taken by identifying the problem, getting opinions from the group through the ticket system
01:23:18 <award3535> #chair jsandys
01:23:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cprofitt jsandys kk4ewt reher
01:24:05 <award3535> this meeting is just for that purpose
01:25:04 <award3535> there have been more ambassadors that have commented since the last meeting.
01:25:27 <cprofitt> just finished reading the comments
01:25:50 <linuxmodder> hello all
01:26:39 <reher> Hi linuxmodder
01:26:44 <award3535> with the FAmSCO and Council taking about two weeks to complete any action, even when we agree, markdude can still respond, and if the response is strong enough we can revote
01:26:50 <award3535> #chair linuxmodder
01:26:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cprofitt jsandys kk4ewt linuxmodder reher
01:26:56 <linuxmodder> award3535,  dechair
01:26:58 <award3535> evening linuxmodder
01:27:02 <linuxmodder> award3535, o/
01:27:20 <linuxmodder> pls dechair me think you understand why
01:27:43 <award3535> linuxmodder I would like you to have a say so since you were involved during the time period of ticket 178
01:27:53 <linuxmodder> fair enough
01:28:14 <award3535> linuxmodder do you have any comments on the tickedt
01:28:58 <linuxmodder> never without getting personal not seeing a reason for him to stay pn active status
01:29:22 <award3535> linuxmodder thank you
01:29:24 <linuxmodder> he has a record of being a bit of a maverick and can't follow the mentor roadmap rules
01:29:35 <award3535> I agree
01:29:44 * cprofitt nods in agreement
01:30:06 <linuxmodder> secondarily he claims new mentees yet they even have yet to claim him
01:30:37 <award3535> I think we can move to finalize and send the decision to FAmSCO
01:30:47 <linuxmodder> I will/have always proudly said who mentored me, and they did one hell of great job
01:31:03 <award3535> I know that nb will not change his vote
01:31:14 <linuxmodder> +1 from me
01:31:14 <award3535> kk4ewt?
01:31:20 <reher> on my end, despite not knowing all of the history, given the lack of response by Mark, the inappropriate email I mentioned, and the no-show tonight despite the serious nature of the matter and without any prior notice, I feel like I have to vote in favor of removing mentor status for not addressing the concern brought forth. +1
01:31:24 <kk4ewt> i voted in the ticket
01:31:29 <award3535> reher?
01:31:43 <award3535> kk4ewt, no change in vote correct for the record
01:32:04 <jsandys> +1
01:32:10 <award3535> vwbusguy also voted +1 for removal
01:32:24 <cprofitt> +1
01:33:40 <award3535> #agreed Final decision is to forward the request for removal of markdude as a mentor
01:34:27 <award3535> I will update the ticket and have nb report the status to FAmSCO
01:34:50 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:35:37 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in.
01:36:10 <award3535> As stated in ticket #180 our regular meeting will be held next week, 13 July and the 4th week 27 July
01:36:31 <award3535> Paradoxguitarist how much have you seen so far
01:36:55 * ParadoxGuitarist will be in Alaska with the wife celebrating our 10 year anniversary next week.
01:37:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> Of the meeting tonight? almost nothing, but trying to stay on top of tickets.
01:37:29 <award3535> congratulations!, you have a ways to catch us 32 this past may for us
01:37:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm guessing we didn't hear from markdude
01:38:09 <award3535> PG you are correct, several of us tried to get a response with no sucess
01:38:14 <kk4ewt> nope
01:38:37 <kk4ewt> award3535,  what was the vote total
01:38:41 <cprofitt> congrats ParadoxGuitarist
01:38:58 <award3535> stand by....
01:40:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> thanks cprofitt
01:40:37 <award3535> +1's between tonight and ticket is 8, there are no remaining hold outs other than ParadoxGuitarist
01:40:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> Just gave my +1 on the tickets
01:41:28 <award3535> kk4ewt that makes it unanimous at 9
01:41:56 * masta_ looks in
01:43:28 <masta> looks like I'm too late for any voting
01:44:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> You can always vote on the tickets masta!
01:44:00 <award3535> masta, did you vote in the ticket
01:44:13 <masta> I think so
01:44:33 <award3535> masta, you did vote unless you want to change your vote
01:46:33 <masta> I'm +1 on the matter
01:46:53 <award3535> thank you masta
01:47:23 <award3535> masta did you have anything else for the group tonight since this meeting was specifically for the final decision
01:48:05 <masta> yes, do we need to call for new mentors? I've not checked the mentor situation in a while.
01:48:30 <award3535> looks like I had a quick disconnect
01:49:02 <masta> > <masta> yes, do we need to call for new mentors? I've not checked the mentor situation in a while.
01:49:49 <award3535> current NA mentors are nb, myself, kk4ewt(as a reserve)
01:50:57 <masta> I can backup,  but that's informal
01:51:12 <kk4ewt> i dont see an huge list for people asking to be mentored
01:52:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think we need more people to look to be ambassadors first.
01:53:56 <award3535> PG I agree, although there are some that are just hanging out waiting for someone to pull their chain
01:54:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> sorry, that was phrased awkwardly.... We need more people looking to become mentors.
01:56:32 <jsandys> will there be 'how to be a mentor/ambassador' session at flock?
01:57:10 <award3535> there is an ambassador session, but unfortunately I cannot attend this year
01:57:53 <kk4ewt> neither can I
01:58:13 <jsandys> so no ham test either
01:58:26 <linuxmodder> unless nb can likely so
01:58:46 <kk4ewt> thats up the nb
01:58:59 <linuxmodder> well at least nb + 2 iirc  for a test
01:59:02 <cprofitt> I can not attend either... the start of school makes September difficult
01:59:26 <kk4ewt> cprofitt,  my classes start that week so no way here
02:00:02 <cprofitt> I work in IT at a school district... so I have an influx of 'this is broken'. :-)
02:00:53 <kk4ewt> new faculty (15) plus 50 new grad students  plus fixing what is borked
02:00:54 <ParadoxGuitarist> cprofitt: I feel ya.
02:01:20 * cprofitt smiles at ParadoxGuitarist and kk4ewt
02:02:33 <jsandys> ParadoxGuitarist let me know know if your Alaska trip includes a stop in Seattle, I would enjoy meeting your family.
02:02:58 <cprofitt> hate to leave before we are done, but I need to get to sleep. Have to upgrade wireless system in the morning before anyone gets in.
02:03:02 <cprofitt> Night all
02:03:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> jsandys: unfortunately we end in Vancouver
02:03:16 <ParadoxGuitarist> nite cprofitt
02:03:24 <award3535> cprofitt thanks for showing up!
02:03:48 <reher> night
02:04:19 <award3535> does anyone have anything else tonight
02:04:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> I do not
02:05:12 <reher> nothing on my end
02:06:24 <award3535> thank you everyone for attending tonight, next week we have some other important items to discuss, and next week we will rotate into every 2nd and 4th thursday for meetings I will get that out to everyone
02:07:20 <award3535> #endmeeting