21:00:25 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
21:00:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 25 21:00:25 2017 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:00:28 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:30 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:32 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:33 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:54 <jhogarth> .hello2
21:00:55 <zodbot> jhogarth: jhogarth 'James Hogarth' <james.hogarth@gmail.com>
21:01:31 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:01:32 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:01:36 <stickster> o/ folks!
21:01:42 <stickster> #chair jhogarth ryanlerch jwf
21:01:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: jhogarth jwf ryanlerch stickster
21:01:45 <ryanlerch> morning stickster, jhogarth
21:02:22 <stickster> morning ryanlerch!
21:03:13 <stickster> OK, let's roll
21:03:16 <stickster> #topic Last week in review
21:05:09 <stickster> #info last week was 51K views, up over previous week's 46K views
21:05:29 <ryanlerch> wooo!
21:05:45 <stickster> Thank you to ryanlerch jwf and the crew for keeping things going so well... I was basically out of commission the last three weeks while traveling and recuperating
21:05:57 <jhogarth> yay!
21:06:38 <stickster> We want to try to aim for > 60-65K per week if we want to get toward the 3M views in 2017 goal
21:06:40 <ryanlerch> jhogarth++ too, thanks for writing awesome articles during this peroid too
21:06:45 <stickster> but this is definitely great progress
21:07:22 <stickster> May has a week left, hopefully we can get it up to the March/April totals
21:07:27 * jhogarth feels the pressure ;)
21:07:33 * stickster considering rescheduling an old article to re-bump
21:07:57 <ryanlerch> our daily average for 2017 so far is 7,540
21:08:59 <ryanlerch> so projected at that average is 2.75M
21:09:21 <stickster> not too shabby
21:09:25 <ryanlerch> so i think it is still doable, with 2 releases not done, and a bit of extra ramping up
21:09:45 <stickster> agreed -- building up some noise around Beta will help too
21:09:53 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure
21:09:58 <jhogarth> beta was delayed :(
21:10:08 <ryanlerch> and the news-style posts work well
21:10:21 <stickster> yeah jhogarth  :-(
21:10:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: agreed
21:10:26 <ryanlerch> e.g. the MP3 one, and the DPI one
21:10:37 <stickster> Especially if they're about something high-demand!
21:10:52 <ryanlerch> we just need to try to get moree in the community to give us tips!
21:11:06 <ryanlerch> stickster: jhogarth:
21:11:17 * jhogarth feels greater pressure :P
21:11:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: I wonder if someone would like a "Run Fedora on your MacBook on extra disk" article
21:11:21 <ryanlerch> yeah, we usually don't communicate slips on the magazine
21:11:55 <ryanlerch> ^ that was WRT the beta being delayed
21:12:05 <stickster> #idea get through Pending Review and Drafts, then talk a bit about getting more contribution in
21:12:15 <ryanlerch> stickster++
21:12:28 <stickster> good discussion we really need to have...
21:12:35 <stickster> #topic Pending Review
21:13:02 <stickster> #info --- Certbot ---
21:13:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17556&preview=1&_ppp=408dab9cb5
21:13:11 <stickster> jhogarth++ for this one!
21:13:11 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jhogarth changed to 5 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:13:15 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY
21:13:22 * jhogarth does a little dance and thanks stickster and ryanlerch for their feedback
21:14:21 <stickster> jhogarth: I added sentence to that extra para... can you refresh, and tell me -- are the new capabilities the things covered below?
21:14:50 <stickster> ryanlerch: This one may need an image but I think is ready to go, good SEO and readability scores
21:15:12 <jhogarth> stickster, that's better - thanks :)
21:15:23 <jhogarth> stickster++
21:15:23 <zodbot> jhogarth: Karma for pfrields changed to 13 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:15:58 * stickster is out of the article now
21:16:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: So is this for tomorrow then?
21:16:14 <stickster> er, "today" your time
21:16:36 <jhogarth> might want to tag it with "using software" and "for system adninistrators" as the categories like the NM article?
21:16:56 <stickster> done
21:17:34 * stickster was going to see if ryanlerch can do the image
21:17:59 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, i can do the featured image today
21:18:13 <stickster> \o/
21:18:14 <ryanlerch> and do the push at 0800UTC
21:18:29 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image and push Certbot article 0800 UTC 2017-05-26
21:18:36 <stickster> #topic Drafts
21:18:39 <ryanlerch> you two are both happy with the copy?
21:18:40 * jhogarth does another little dance
21:18:53 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm satisfied, yeah!
21:19:27 <ryanlerch> fantastic!
21:19:40 <jhogarth> I got positive feedback from the certbot guys and I'm happy and grateful for your tweaks so I'm happy :)
21:20:22 <stickster> coolio
21:20:32 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:21:08 <stickster> #info --- F26 Beta ---
21:21:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17583&preview=1&_ppp=a4b8e59a39
21:21:19 <stickster> This is being worked already by mattdm & x3mboy[m]
21:21:46 <stickster> So, ready when it's ready I guess -- not going to matter for Tuesday the 30th AIUI :-(
21:22:27 <stickster> #info --- RasPi ---
21:22:29 <jhogarth> oh well, if it doesn't meet QA beta requirements then it doesn't go ... at least we have QA ;)
21:22:30 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17440&preview=1&_ppp=59cfb58232
21:22:37 <stickster> yup, roger that
21:23:03 <stickster> So this raspi article was being run by pbrobinson who does a *LOT* of Pi work, and I think he had some issues with it
21:23:41 <ryanlerch> yeah, IMHO, this might be a good one to do after GA
21:24:07 <ryanlerch> gives us some more time to vet it
21:25:41 <stickster> Agreed... how can we handle that? Should we ask pbrobinson to give us some feedback on list?
21:26:00 <stickster> I think the author already reached out to him
21:26:32 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think that is the best course of action here
21:27:52 <stickster> #action stickster write to list to explain  next actions
21:28:15 <stickster> #info --- Flock update ---
21:28:18 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=17498&action=edit
21:28:51 <stickster> This was my placeholder for a "Flock registration/submissions open" article, we could do this for Monday IMHO
21:29:21 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1, or ASAP if needed
21:29:28 <stickster> #action stickster finish article and image and set up for publication ASAP
21:29:43 * ryanlerch can do the featured image
21:29:45 <stickster> I might be able to get it out there Sunday, but definitely by Monday (holiday notwithstanding)
21:29:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: go for it!
21:29:52 <stickster> #undo
21:29:52 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:29:28 : stickster finish article and image and set up for publication ASAP
21:30:05 <stickster> #action stickster finish article and set up for publication no later than Monday 2017-05-29
21:30:12 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image for Flock article
21:30:15 * jhogarth apologises but needs to duck out to house chores before bed
21:30:26 <stickster> no problem jhogarth, thanks for being here!
21:30:34 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: ditto, thanks!
21:31:53 <stickster> #info Nothing else has been touched in several weeks
21:32:57 <ryanlerch> so, we have a monday post, but htat is it
21:32:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: should we still have discussion about contributor attraction?
21:33:01 <stickster> oh wait
21:33:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: I still have an idea pending... "Fedora on your MacBook's external drive"
21:33:20 <ryanlerch> i *think* cprofitt had another HDYF in the works
21:33:54 <stickster> ryanlerch: also... we might be able to reschedule an old goodie
21:33:59 <ryanlerch> stickster: ooh, i think that one will go great guns!
21:34:10 <stickster> I could have that ready for next Wed or Friday
21:34:49 <ryanlerch> x3mboy[m]: did have one schduled for this past Wednesday, doing jed, the next in the editor series
21:35:11 <ryanlerch> but there is no draft in there forit
21:35:39 * ryanlerch is happy to write another post too, if we can think of something to write about
21:35:43 <ryanlerch> :D
21:36:04 <stickster> ryanlerch: I wonder if https://fedoramagazine.org/must-have-gnome-extension-gtile/ still work?
21:36:08 <stickster> *works?
21:36:48 <stickster> yup, like gangbusters!
21:37:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: What if we schedule that for next Friday?
21:37:46 <stickster> Needs a new featured image, but I could do that
21:37:53 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1, i can do a featured image for it, and do some edits and refreshing
21:37:57 <stickster> oh haha
21:38:05 <stickster> I'm always willing to let the expert do the art
21:38:21 <stickster> OK, so we have:
21:38:42 <stickster> Fri -- certbot; Mon  -- Flock; Wed -- MacBook; Fri -- gTile (if nothing else)
21:38:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: you're doing like 3 images there, is that OK?
21:39:01 <ryanlerch> stickster: ack! not a problem
21:39:05 <stickster> I can def handle the one for the macbook article
21:39:13 <stickster> you probably do these in like 5 min as compared to my 50
21:39:23 <ryanlerch> if the HDYF is ready, we can do that on friday, and keep the gtile one in the bank
21:39:27 <stickster> agreed
21:39:47 <ryanlerch> + i will be on the look out for newsy posts
21:40:15 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri May 26 - Certbot; Mon May 29 - Flock; Wed May 31 - MacBook; Fri Jun 2 - either gTile or HDYF
21:40:18 <ryanlerch> not sure where they are coming from, but some of the tweets on the main Fedora twitter lately have just been links
21:40:25 <stickster> o_O
21:40:33 <ryanlerch> i sometimes try to write them up in a magazine post
21:40:43 <ryanlerch> that is what i did with the highDPI one
21:41:06 <ryanlerch> well, links + the title of the blogpost it is linking to
21:41:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: oh no, I hope we're not backsliding into just feeding posts into the Twitter feed without context
21:41:26 <ryanlerch> stickster: oh, not magazine links
21:41:49 <ryanlerch> these are tweets someone has posted, linking to external blogs and sites
21:42:02 <cprofitt> sorry I am late
21:42:21 <ryanlerch> stickster: tweets like this:
21:42:23 <ryanlerch> https://twitter.com/fedora/status/867775770801786880
21:42:42 <stickster> right, I mean random blog entries without context :-(
21:42:55 <cprofitt> I have three HDYF articles in process. One, I hope, will be done this weekend if needed.
21:42:56 * stickster thinks that's not very good on the social engagement-o-meter
21:43:00 <ryanlerch> https://twitter.com/fedora/status/867362810208145408
21:43:03 <stickster> cprofitt: Wow! That's awesome
21:43:06 <stickster> cprofitt++
21:43:06 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for cprofitt changed to 7 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:43:10 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY
21:43:12 <ryanlerch> cprofitt++
21:43:12 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for cprofitt changed to 8 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:43:22 <cprofitt> thanks guys.
21:43:44 <stickster> ryanlerch: Right... my point is, without context, how are we engaging anyone or making them care or be excited about Fedora?
21:43:51 <ryanlerch> so its looking like fortnightly on a friday is your slot, cprofitt :)
21:44:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, agreed.
21:44:18 <cprofitt> ryanlerch: sounds good.
21:44:18 <ryanlerch> some i have been re-writing, and trying to get the context
21:44:25 <stickster> *nod
21:44:34 <cprofitt> social media...
21:44:39 <ryanlerch> or in the high dpi case, i wrote a magazine article, and crafted a better tweet
21:44:59 <ryanlerch> but, not sure where the tweets are coming from TBH
21:45:24 <ryanlerch> s bunch of people have access on tweetdeck, and unlike FB, it doenst tell me the user that sent them
21:45:30 <cprofitt> the tweet or G+ or Facebook post need to tease the article content... and make people interested in the story.
21:45:42 <cprofitt> is there an issue with the current tweets?
21:46:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: right
21:46:28 <stickster> cprofitt: I think we do a pretty good job on those
21:46:50 <stickster> cprofitt: we're just rat-holing a bit on there being some other tweets out there without much context or stickiness
21:46:57 <stickster> anyhoo
21:47:03 <stickster> #topic MOAR CONTRIBUTORS
21:47:13 <cprofitt> I thought so... I don't use twitter alot so thought I missed something.
21:47:20 <stickster> So what we could use is getting more folks on board with article writing
21:47:48 <ryanlerch> stickster++
21:47:50 <stickster> we're gifted with a few great contributors like cprofitt, jhogarth, x3mboy for example... but need more
21:48:13 <cprofitt> I think that it was easy for me to get involved because I was able to pick up the series...
21:48:18 <cprofitt> it gave me a place to 'fit'
21:48:40 <stickster> also we need people to walk in not with either (1) the willingness to be assigned a topic we know will be popular; or (2) the expertise to write a great article on their own preferred topic
21:48:45 <stickster> s/not//
21:48:47 <stickster> lol
21:48:59 <cprofitt> Then when I was comfortable I was able to write a few more articles (technical)... I wonder if there are some easy low hanging fruit that could be series that people could write.
21:49:18 <stickster> cprofitt: that's exactly what we try to put in the "Starter Pitches" category
21:49:30 <stickster> first thing first... getting the bodies in the door :-D
21:49:53 <cprofitt> yes, but the started pitches are not a series... they are spread out a bit... I could have written a few of them, but some I had no skill for...
21:49:55 <stickster> I wonder if we could add some encouragement or do something Ambassador related that would get people in as writers?
21:50:13 <cprofitt> I have a fealing of ownership of the HDYF series now and it feels like my baby...
21:50:21 <stickster> cprofitt: in a good or bad way?
21:50:22 <cprofitt> I have great attachment to it...
21:50:27 <stickster> ah, sounds goood
21:50:30 <cprofitt> good way.
21:50:32 <stickster> with three o's, it's so good
21:50:38 <stickster> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
21:50:55 <stickster> like, what if an Ambassador could give out a pamphlet or flyer advertising to potential writers at an event?
21:51:11 <ryanlerch> cprofitt: that is a good point, if there was a low-hanging fruit series, with some starter pitches already done, that might be a good thing
21:51:23 <stickster> ryanlerch: the editor series seems like a good match for that
21:51:28 <cprofitt> Anything that someone can feel ownership for is better than some random assignment.
21:51:29 <ryanlerch> maybe the text-editors "series" might work
21:51:34 <ryanlerch> lol stickster
21:51:34 <stickster> lol *jinx
21:51:38 <stickster> lol *metajinx
21:51:39 * ryanlerch types slow
21:52:04 <stickster> ryanlerch: this sounds like a good idea to take to list
21:52:13 <ryanlerch> stickster: agreed
21:52:20 <stickster> like can we come up with a couple other low-hanging fruit seris
21:52:32 <ryanlerch> also, i think there is value in getting people to give us tips and ideas
21:52:41 <stickster> *series, even. Like... music players, or image viewers
21:52:41 <ryanlerch> especially from within the community
21:52:44 <cprofitt> we could start a series that summarizes recent events -- the writer could reach out to people who attended, represented and do an interview... that would be a regular thing they could make therw own. A regular 'ask Fedora Magazine' series is another idea
21:52:44 <stickster> yes
21:53:11 <stickster> cprofitt: ASK FEDORA MAGAZINE: INSTANT HUGE +1
21:53:13 <stickster> what a great idea
21:53:24 <ryanlerch> cprofitt: awesome!
21:53:31 <stickster> MY GOD IT'S SO SIMPLE AND ELEGANT, HOW DID WE NOT THINK OF IT BEFORE
21:53:41 * stickster literally almost fell off his chair
21:53:45 * cprofitt aww shucks
21:53:52 <cprofitt> that is my one good idea for this month.
21:54:08 * cprofitt smiles
21:54:10 <ryanlerch> cprofitt: lucky for us, the month is almost over
21:54:10 <stickster> I'm not kidding... does anyone remember "Ask Shadowman" in the original, glossy Red Hat Magazine?
21:54:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: +1 :-D
21:54:32 <ryanlerch> so better get working on another good idea for next weeks meeiting ;)
21:54:38 <cprofitt> lol
21:54:50 <stickster> cprofitt: Throw this idea on the list. I already have an idea how to implement
21:54:59 <stickster> now that the Magazine can send email :-)
21:55:32 <stickster> #action cprofitt send "Ask F-Mag" idea to the list
21:55:34 <cprofitt> will do.
21:55:42 <cprofitt> what list?
21:55:44 <cprofitt> :-)
21:55:44 <stickster> #action ryanlerch take low-hanging fruit series idea to the list
21:55:47 <cprofitt> mailing list?
21:55:49 <stickster> cprofitt: magazine@lists.fp.o
21:55:52 <stickster> yeah
21:56:09 <stickster> #action stickster take pamphlet idea to the list
21:56:37 <stickster> so guys... I have a hard stop in ~3 minutes, any other ideas to throw onto the table while we're here?
21:56:50 <ryanlerch> so just to confirm, HDYF on friday, rather than gtile?
21:57:45 <stickster> yes, gtile is only if needed
21:58:43 <stickster> OK, sounds like nothing else, we can close in 30 sec
21:59:09 <cprofitt> I am good... glad I made the tail end of the meeting.
21:59:14 <stickster> me too cprofitt
21:59:21 <stickster> thanks again for your HDYF work, it's awesome
21:59:32 <cprofitt> no problem... it is fun to do.
21:59:42 <stickster> OK, thanks everyone! See you next week, same bat-time, same bat-channel
21:59:44 <stickster> #endmeeting