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00:59:13 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
00:59:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri May 19 00:59:13 2017 UTC.  The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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00:59:17 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
00:59:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
00:59:30 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:00:08 <jsandys> here
01:00:21 <award3535> #chair jsandys
01:00:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jsandys
01:00:26 <award3535> evening jsandys
01:00:36 <reher> .hello reher
01:00:37 <zodbot> reher: reher 'Rosnel Echevarria' <rosnel.echevarria@gmail.com>
01:00:42 <reher> hi all!
01:01:07 <award3535> #chair reher
01:01:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jsandys reher
01:01:13 <award3535> evening reher
01:01:20 <award3535> hope to see you at SELF
01:02:01 <reher> evening. yep. so far so good. lining some final things up at the office to make sure I attend.
01:02:22 <award3535> I will be in the area on the morning of the 8th
01:02:47 <award3535> in Charlotte that is
01:02:58 <award3535> #chair juggler
01:02:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jsandys juggler reher
01:03:19 <juggler> hello
01:03:20 <reher> ok. I'll most likely get to Charlotte mid-afternoon.
01:03:32 <award3535> evening juggler
01:03:52 <award3535> I will give a few more minutes before starting
01:04:37 <juggler> evening award!
01:05:42 <award3535> ok moving to the next topic
01:05:44 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:06:23 <award3535> anyone have anything for the announcement area?
01:06:31 <award3535> jsandys?
01:06:36 <award3535> Juggler?
01:07:01 <juggler> yes
01:07:05 <jsandys> no announcement
01:07:12 <juggler> no announcement
01:07:21 <award3535> thank you .....
01:07:34 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
01:07:47 <award3535> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issues
01:08:13 <award3535> Please look at the existing tickets
01:08:30 <award3535> we have none for the meeting on the schedule
01:08:44 <juggler> *scanning*
01:08:56 <award3535> Southeast Linux Fest is on track, no additional items needed...
01:10:39 <juggler> regarding tkt 169, should that be closed out?
01:10:45 <juggler> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/169
01:11:02 <award3535> yes, I will close it....
01:11:30 <juggler> kudos to all who made that possible. :)
01:12:09 <award3535> its now closed
01:12:17 <juggler> thanks award
01:12:36 <award3535> moving on
01:12:39 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:12:45 <juggler> is linuxmodder here to discuss the prelim tickets?
01:13:11 <jsandys> LFNW went great, over 150 people rolled a diceware passphrase
01:13:43 <award3535> juggler, those tickets will probably be closed, we are not supporting the organizers of the RIT Brickhack and MIThack
01:14:18 <juggler> jsandys excellent!
01:14:23 <award3535> jsandys, do you have photos of the event
01:14:34 <juggler> jsandys approx how many ppl showed up overall?
01:15:04 <jsandys> Over 2000 at the event
01:15:38 <jsandys> Still writing the report with pictures and will submit the receipts soon.
01:15:40 <juggler> wow
01:15:50 <award3535> jsandys thank you....
01:16:11 <award3535> I do have an issue we need to discuss that is rather important
01:16:17 <juggler> any dice remaining? :)
01:16:26 <juggler> go for it award
01:17:12 <jsandys> 108 die going to paradox with the box
01:17:36 <juggler> ty so much jsandys!
01:18:18 <award3535> We more than likely will no longer produce media in mass quantities, so the suggestions of using USB media and controlling what we give out needs to be discussed
01:22:13 <jsandys> We gave away a box of F25 media and a few security lab usbs
01:22:13 <juggler> I imagine paradox might have a lot to say about this topic. is this a topic that can be waited on or acted on?
01:22:13 <award3535> So we as a group will need to come up with quotes for USB's, and yes me as well, there have been some events that we give out a lot of media, and some that we dont
01:22:13 <award3535> The council questioned the media production and asked why, so that not only opened the door but requires us to justify why we need it
01:22:13 <award3535> the events that we give out media is LFNW, SELF, TXLF, OLF and Fossetcon, as well as some of the smaller events
01:22:13 <juggler> ...and SCaLE too..
01:22:14 <award3535> plus we give out boxes to a couple of schools every year
01:23:21 <award3535> We use the DVD duplicator at SELF to create media, so that may be the answer for those events.
01:24:07 <award3535> I will send out and email to those who are active planners and attendees for our regular events soliciting the ideas.
01:25:15 <juggler> award look forward to the email
01:26:33 <award3535> Since I do not have any solid numbers for budget as well it will make it hard to come up with any planning of extra events or swag
01:29:18 <award3535> reher some times its both, but more leaning towards budget, the council is steering us away from that cost, since we really cant justify producing two sets of media per year
01:29:31 <juggler> reher I know Paradox has previously commented that there can be much waste if there is much media left over from earlier releases. a USB can be refreshed with the latest and greatest stuff, making it a bit more versatile.
01:29:57 <award3535> spending about 4.2K for both releases combined
01:30:14 <reher> understood and agreed.
01:31:38 <award3535> so, I think that we should discuss it, the main reason we bought that many every year because it was less than a dollar per DVD, where as a USB will cost us anywhere from 2 to 4 dollars per unit
01:31:53 <jsandys> dvds are like skickers, 'take one', but usbs should be managed like premium swag, 'thanks for the dialog'
01:32:34 <jsandys> Some commented that they don't have a media drive any more
01:32:43 <award3535> that is why we need to control them, exactly jsandys, that is why we use the duplicator to produce media on site that costs about 29cents a DVD
01:33:01 <juggler> my 2 cents: if possible, I'd like having the option of both. maybe more DVDs, and only a few USBs for the die-hard Fedora fans...
01:33:46 <award3535> juggler the less amount we have DVDs produced the higher the cost
01:33:54 <juggler> ah
01:34:14 <jsandys> duplicator sounds like a great idea, you could burn spins or 32bit
01:34:21 <award3535> that is why we had 2K produced each time and divided them up for distribution
01:34:27 <juggler> any idea what a USB duplicator cost would be? or would it be more advantageous to just set something up on the fly from the laptop?
01:35:14 <juggler> a DVD question is are the costs for blank DVD media feasible?
01:35:20 <award3535> juggler REDHAT bought Fedora a duplicator and it burns 5 DVDs at a time, 32 or 64, etc.... and it cost us $300.00
01:35:36 <juggler> award nice
01:35:49 <reher> do we care for things like our logo on the flash drive? I would think so.
01:35:57 <award3535> A stack of DVDs only costs 30 bucks
01:36:05 <juggler> reher I would think so.
01:36:08 <award3535> reher that is what we would propose
01:36:13 <reher> branding I suppose is critical.
01:36:15 <award3535> and get quotes for
01:36:16 <jsandys> someone on maillist has a RPI usb maker station project
01:36:17 <juggler> reher if not cost prohibitive obvly
01:36:30 <juggler> jsandys nifty!
01:37:38 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in
01:37:40 <award3535> the DVD duplicator was critical during our event last year at SELF.
01:37:46 <juggler> Paradox! !!
01:37:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> !!
01:37:53 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist
01:37:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 jsandys juggler reher
01:37:55 <juggler> Paradox just in time
01:38:01 <award3535> PG welcome
01:38:06 <ParadoxGuitarist> Work... kids...
01:38:11 <juggler> figured
01:38:20 <juggler> Paradox we're talking about USB vs. DVD :)
01:38:45 <award3535> PG we are discussing USB media since the council doesnt want to pay for media, and asked many questions why
01:39:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> Other than the cost benefit, I don't see the benefit to using DVD media at this point
01:39:42 <award3535> PG I will send out and email to those who are active planners and attendees for our regular events soliciting the ideas.
01:40:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> It didnt' seem like they were against media
01:40:15 <juggler> my later meeting got cancelled, so you have me for a few more minutes :)
01:40:16 <award3535> PG I am assuming you got the email I forwarded
01:40:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> I did
01:40:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> I responded I thought.
01:40:54 <ParadoxGuitarist> Just seemed like they were against another DVD run.
01:40:55 <award3535> you did, but I would like to get it all put in to one document
01:41:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> sure
01:41:59 <award3535> PG you and I need to schedule a phone con soon, I have some information I would like to get your opinion on as well but want to keep it between regional ambassadors only
01:42:28 <award3535> kk4ewt and I have some concerns on where the program is going
01:42:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok
01:42:54 <award3535> I will send you my cell number via email
01:43:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> Perfect
01:43:53 <juggler> "concerns" - should I be concerned?
01:44:49 <award3535> juggler no worries, this concerns budget and procedures
01:45:08 <juggler> oh ok!
01:45:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> Probably me screwing up the shipping ;)
01:45:43 <juggler> I'm ok with procedures. budget, meh. :D
01:46:01 <award3535> PG no, you are doing just fine, heck if we were all perfect life would be boring
01:46:15 <ParadoxGuitarist> heheh
01:46:20 <jsandys> speaking of shipping, 13lbs and 38lbs
01:46:29 <juggler> btw Paradox, jsandys has sent you a care pkg from LFNW
01:46:30 <juggler> :)
01:46:34 * ParadoxGuitarist is logging in right now to do that
01:47:24 <award3535> PG please send me and Ben a couple of sets for the east coast when you get them (dice that is)
01:48:09 <juggler> another random announcement...my in-real-life work schedule will be changing dramatically starting next week. we'll see how my attendance for future ambassador meets goes. just wanted to advise you of a potential situation...
01:48:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: sure thing
01:49:32 <award3535> juggler, no worries, just make sure you read the logs, and email us if you have questions. Also make sure you log into FAS at least once every couple of weeks so that you dont get your status as inactive
01:49:35 <juggler> PG: please hold a few for me too. pretty please. :)
01:50:11 <juggler> award3535 acknowledged!
01:50:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> juggler: I don't think West will have any major events till SCaLE so you should be fine.
01:51:30 <award3535> SEAGul is in the fall that jsandys runs
01:51:36 <juggler> PG do we have any 25 media for local LUG handouts...?
01:51:45 <jsandys> Chessix can make 100 dice for $50 plus shipping,
01:52:55 <juggler> btw, has anyone here tried 26alpha? thoughts on it?
01:53:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> juggler: We do not.
01:53:52 <juggler> ok. the local LUG occasionally asks about it. I'll provide them that feedback to go direct download..
01:55:17 <award3535> juggler you can also ask for them to provide you USBs to make bootable as well
01:55:58 <jsandys> I have about a dozen f25 dvds left over and can send them.
01:57:14 <juggler> award3535 understood
01:58:47 <award3535> ok does anyone have anything else before I close
02:00:20 <juggler> good here
02:00:28 <jsandys> back to report writing
02:01:41 <award3535> ok, thank you everyone for showing up.....
02:01:48 <award3535> see you next week
02:02:14 <reher> thank you as always.
02:02:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
02:02:22 <juggler> award thanks for presiding
02:02:49 <juggler> good "seeing" everyone :)
02:02:58 <award3535> reher, looking forward to seeing you at SELF....
02:03:06 <award3535> #endmeeting