12:57:30 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing meeting (2017-04-11)
12:57:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 11 12:57:30 2017 UTC.  The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:57:31 <jwf> #meetingname marketing
12:57:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing'
12:57:34 <jwf> #topic Agenda
12:57:39 <jwf> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2017-04-11
12:57:43 <jwf> #info (1) Roll call
12:57:47 <jwf> #info (2) Announcements
12:57:52 <jwf> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
12:57:56 <jwf> #info (4) Tickets
12:58:01 <jwf> #info (5) Upcoming tasks
12:58:05 <jwf> #info (6) Open floor
12:58:10 <bkp> .hello bproffit
12:58:14 <jwf> #topic Roll call
12:58:14 <zodbot> bkp: bproffit 'Brian Proffitt' <bkp@redhat.com>
12:58:15 <jwf> #info Name; Timezone; Other sub-projects / interest areas
12:58:20 * jwf waves to bkp :)
12:58:22 <jwf> #chair bkp
12:58:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: bkp jwf
12:58:44 <bexelbie> .hello bex
12:58:45 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
12:58:46 * bexelbie is lurking
12:58:50 <jwf> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC+2; CommOps, Marketing, Magazine, Diversity WG, Ambassadors, sysadmin-badges, and more…
12:58:59 * jwf also waves to bexelbie lurking in the corner!
12:59:02 <jwf> #chair bexelbie
12:59:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jwf
12:59:17 <bkp> #info Brian Proffitt; UTC-4; social media, marketing
12:59:57 * jwf will wait a few minutes for some others to pop in, and then we'll get rocking
12:59:58 <jsandys> jsandys
13:00:17 <jwf> Very early good morning to you, jsandys!
13:00:19 <jwf> #chair jsandys
13:00:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jsandys jwf
13:01:50 * mailga lurks
13:01:59 * jwf waves to mailga
13:02:00 <jwf> #chair mailga
13:02:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jsandys jwf mailga
13:02:21 * jwf is firing off one quick email and then will get things started
13:04:53 <jwf> Alrighty, let's roll…
13:04:53 <jwf> #topic Announcements
13:04:58 <jwf> #info === IMPORTANT: "Fedora Council FAD Report – 2017/2018 Initial Steps" ===
13:05:03 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-council-fad-2017-report/
13:05:09 <jwf> #info The Fedora Council held their FAD from 26-28 March. During the FAD, they tackled some key areas of interest across the project. This is one part of a series of posts (to come). Important information for any contributor to review.
13:05:15 <jwf> #info === In the news: "Fedora 26 Alpha Released With New Features — Download ISO File Here" ===
13:05:18 * mailga waves back... still working, if you need just ping.
13:05:20 <jwf> #link https://fossbytes.com/fedora-26-alpha-released-new-features-download/
13:05:25 <jwf> #info A generic article supporting the Fedora 26 Alpha release. Nothing too unique, mostly positive, advises caution to using it on stable machinery. Worth noting is that they source their changes from the 26 ChangeSet wiki page.
13:05:32 <jwf> #info === In the news: "Red Hat and Fedora Teams Welcome Ubuntu to GNOME and Wayland with Open Arms" ===
13:05:38 <jwf> #link http://news.softpedia.com/news/red-hat-and-fedora-teams-welcome-ubuntu-to-gnome-and-wayland-with-open-arms-514661.shtml
13:05:44 <jwf> #info Softpedia covered GNOME developer Christian Schaller's blog post welcoming Ubuntu / Canonical to the GNOME community on behalf of the Fedora Workstation team. The response was overwhelmingly positive! Which brings to the next point…
13:05:49 <jwf> #info === Record setting: Facebook, collaboration on GNOME ===
13:05:53 <jwf> #link https://www.facebook.com/TheFedoraProject/posts/10155140243620480
13:05:59 <jwf> #info Our Facebook post resharing the article was one of our most widely responded to post on Facebook… ever! As of now, 69,018 people reached, 1.4k likes, and 257 shares! People are in love with the idea of upstream collaboration (it seems)!
13:06:06 <jwf> <eof>
13:06:14 <jwf> Anyone else have anything they'd like to share?
13:06:34 <bkp> Nothing here
13:07:16 <jwf> Going once…
13:07:26 <jwf> Going twice…
13:07:31 <jwf> Going thrice…
13:07:36 <jwf> #topic Action items from last meetings
13:07:43 <jwf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-04-04/marketing.2017-04-04-13.03.html
13:07:58 <jwf> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
13:08:10 <jwf> #info === [DROPPED] jwf to solicit the WGs left to edit the Talking Point page, even splitting the TP in two parts (one of them is for the long-term vision of audience-based TPs) ===
13:08:11 <jwf> #info Most feedback is there, following up with remaining groups
13:08:19 <jwf> #info === x3mboy Follow up with the KDE and LXQt SIGs to add their information to the wiki page before the beta release ===
13:08:37 <jwf> Doesn't seem like Eduard is around today… I'll re-action this and we can always drop it later on
13:08:47 <jwf> #action x3mboy Follow up with the KDE and LXQt SIGs to add their information to the wiki page before the beta release
13:08:59 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release ===
13:09:44 <jwf> #action jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release
13:09:50 * jwf is going to endeavor to do this during open floor
13:10:04 <jwf> These are all of the previous actions from last week…
13:10:13 <jwf> #topic Tickets
13:10:19 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issues?tags=meeting
13:10:23 <jwf> #info === Ticket #249: "Create Fedora 26 talking points" ===
13:10:27 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/249
13:10:30 <jwf> Brief, quick check-in. Where are we, who's left, do we need to follow up at meetings or on mailing lists? IRC channels?
13:11:30 <jwf> So, x3mboy should be reaching out to KDE and LXQt. Workstation edition is covered. I'm going to reach out to Server WG and the Spins mailing list today. I can't remember the status on Fedora Atomic.
13:11:53 <jwf> It would also be helpful to ping on the Design Team mailing list about feedback on anything new or worth noting from the Design Suite angle
13:12:24 <jwf> Is anyone willing to reach out to the Atomic WG and Design Team for feedback about Fedora Atomic and the Design Suite, respectively?
13:12:46 <jwf> As far as I know, both these groups are very responsive
13:16:34 <jwf> Sorry, was AFK for a moment
13:17:09 <jwf> This would just be a quick ping to the mailing list or IRC channel to try to get some input from some folks, hopefully wouldn't take too much time. I would grab it but I'm really going to be tight for time this week.
13:18:09 <jwf> I'll put a call out on the list.
13:18:36 <jwf> #action jwf Put call out on list to reach out to Atomic / Design teams for getting feedback on Fedora Atomic / Design Suite
13:18:47 <jwf> #info === Ticket #246: "Prepare report for Council sub-project report" ===
13:18:53 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/246
13:18:58 <jwf> What do we want to build the base of "State of Marketing" as?
13:19:44 * jwf was hoping we could pick up with some open-ended discussion on this one, on the notes we had from last week:
13:19:45 <jwf> AGREED: Biggest challenge will be communicating what we want to outline to the Council and what kind of thing(s) we might want to ask of them to help enable us to be more effective. Will discuss in IRC after meeting and will dedicate more meeting time next week to this. (jwf, 13:59:17)
13:21:22 <jwf> As far as things we're doing **now** (or what we will be doing in May) is getting ready for the final release, polishing any remaining talking points, monitoring news sites for feedback.
13:22:26 <jwf> At that time, what we will be wanting to help in the short-term future are the release announcement copy. Long-term, we want to work on some of the things we've identified earlier, to improve Marketing on-boarding through some of the new ideas and tasks we determined (like press kits) and also the education outreach campaign which still needs a lot of discussion.
13:23:03 <jwf> The biggest area for discussion is what we would like to try to convey to the Fedora Council about what kind of support we might want to ask of them.
13:23:11 <Southern_Gentlem> any new brochures in the works yet?
13:24:09 <jwf> And this is the one needing the most discussion, I think, because this is one where we can try to communicate what the Council could help enable us to accomplish with their support and consideration.
13:24:56 <jwf> Southern_Gentlem: I checked to see if I filed a ticket for the new brochures, but I guess I missed this at some point! Do you think you could file a ticket for these in our Pagure to help keep it on the radar? Might help too if you explain some of the background context from SXSW brochures there too. https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/new_issue
13:25:41 <jwf> This is the part where some points / areas to consider might be helpful: ^^^
13:25:42 <jwf> #chair
13:25:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jsandys jwf mailga
13:26:55 <bkp> jwf: Been away for a while. In terms of resources, are you talking budget for materials? Better lines of communication? All of the above?
13:27:20 <jwf> mailga: I think your perspective as a long-time Marketing member is especially valuable here, and bexelbie, your opinion to clarify this part of the Council sub-project report would also be helpful!
13:27:30 <jwf> bkp: All of the above applies here, I think.
13:28:57 <mailga> jwf: I think we need some "sub-meetings" for each topic, whole dedicated to it.
13:30:12 <jwf> mailga: For each topic of the sub-project report, or do you mean topic-based meeting for marketing, generally?
13:31:13 <mailga> topic-based for marketing. Is the first step IMO.
13:31:28 * jwf nods…
13:31:47 <jwf> I see value in this, especially for some of the larger, more over-reaching changes we want to try to accomplish
13:32:19 <jwf> mailga: Is there anything that you feel the Council's support could help enable us to do? Is there anything we want to present for this point?
13:32:31 * jwf has to be away from keyboard for 3-5 minutes
13:32:32 <Southern_Gentlem> when we had those brochures it really showed the non linux users what could be done in linux  and it really drew people in to the table at events
13:33:12 <Southern_Gentlem> I only used the brochures at events like OLF and SELF but the public loved them
13:33:39 <Southern_Gentlem> and i can see them being used at installfest and bitcamp events as well
13:35:36 <mailga> jwf: I'd like to know which target we have to put at first point (users? developers? and so on), just to strat to do something and then fix it before strating to targeting the next. E.g. press kit, we should ask to ambys (just like Southern_Gentlem noticed) in order to reach what people want.
13:37:15 <jwf> mailga++
13:37:33 * mailga likes when uses the verb strat instead of start.... :-D
13:37:33 * jwf actually thinks that is definitely something the Council could hopefully guide us with after the Council FAD
13:38:37 <jwf> And +1 to open communication between Marketing and Ambassadors for that feedback, which we would then be better to able to accomplish by knowing the specific areas we want to focus on
13:38:41 <jwf> That makes excellent sense
13:38:44 <mailga> jwf: and then we could setup sub-projects following users, devel and others.
13:39:26 <mailga> jwf yes, IMO is the first step one direction forward ambys and one direction forward Council.
13:39:29 <jwf> #idea Bringing back the SXSW-style brochures is one thing that would be helpful to demo what non-Linux users can do with Linux (great for installfests / hackathons)
13:40:38 <jwf> #idea To the Council: Seeking clarification on target audiences so we can better work with Ambassadors to get feedback "from the ground" and convert that into deliverables that help move Fedora forward
13:41:13 <jwf> #idea To us, later: Having topic-based meetings to drive discussions around specific areas or topics instead of jumping around with a ticket-based focus
13:41:19 <x3mboy> .hello x3mboy
13:41:21 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
13:41:26 * jwf waves to x3mboy
13:41:29 <jwf> #chair x3mboy
13:41:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jsandys jwf mailga x3mboy
13:41:29 <x3mboy> Sorry I'm a little late
13:41:36 <jwf> No problem :)
13:42:25 <mailga> jwf: I have some infos about that software for detecting presence at fedora booths, but we can start a project to develop one by our own, without sensible data collection.
13:42:46 <jwf> mailga: That would be super cool. :)
13:43:11 <jwf> So do we want to start working on a Google Doc presentation to share with the Council? We're tentatively aiming for May as it is now.
13:43:34 <mailga> +1
13:43:34 <x3mboy> Cool
13:43:37 <x3mboy> +1
13:43:51 <jwf> The problem with this, though, is that I won't be active in Fedora at the time when the sub-project report would be (around May 24), so we would need someone to participate in an audio call to present it to the Council.
13:44:22 <bkp> jwf: ?
13:44:28 <jwf> #action jwf Start Google Doc for "State of Marketing" outline/presentation, share with x3mboy, mailga, bkp, others
13:44:31 <jwf> bkp: What's up?
13:44:40 <bkp> You won't be active?
13:44:48 <jwf> Ahhh, yeah, sorry, one second
13:44:56 <jwf> bkp: https://blog.justinwflory.com/2017/04/stepping-out-fedora-may-august-2017/
13:45:19 <bkp> Noted.
13:45:31 <mailga> jwf: I'm not sure I will be available as well, maybe opening a ticket is the best way to find a substitute.
13:46:30 <jwf> mailga: We have the ticket open for it, but we need someone to help own it. :)
13:46:53 <jwf> I can do a call on the list for this too, but we can also start the presentation.
13:46:59 * mailga is sorry, didn't check tickets in the last days...
13:47:09 <jwf> But for the same reason that I won't be the one delivering it, I don't want to be the one creating all the things too.
13:47:27 <jwf> It would be helpful to have an owner for this ticket, but maybe this is something we can discuss on list.
13:47:34 <jwf> mailga: No worries, it happens to the best of us. :P
13:47:36 <x3mboy> I'd like to help, but I'm afraid I'm not involved enough yet to be the face of Mktg in font of the Council
13:48:07 <mailga> x3mboy: there are no faces for the council, mktg is a whole.
13:48:16 <bkp> This might be something I can help with. My job shift/reord should be clear soon.
13:48:27 <bkp> *reorg
13:48:31 <jwf> x3mboy: Hmm… on the contrary, I feel like the presentation part is something you are comfortable with, you have been very active this past release cycle. Like mailga said, there's not one face, it's a whole. :)
13:48:57 * jwf sees maybe bkp / x3mboy tag-teaming the presentation, all active Marketing team members pitching on getting the presentation created?
13:49:16 <bkp> Could be a thing.
13:49:17 <jwf> I also don't want to put anyone into a place they're not comfortable with.
13:49:33 <x3mboy> That can be cool
13:49:36 <jwf> x3mboy: But I do think you are 100% a part of Marketing and have done the work like the rest of us this release cycle. :)
13:49:43 <jwf> x3mboy++
13:49:50 <x3mboy> Thanks :D
13:49:53 <mailga> x3mboy++
13:49:53 <jwf> bkp / x3mboy: Want to make it official?
13:49:57 <x3mboy> That's my goal
13:50:01 <x3mboy> +1 for me
13:50:09 <x3mboy> What do you say bkp?
13:50:35 <bkp> x3mboy: I'm in
13:50:49 <jwf> #agreed All active Marketing team members will help contribute to building the presentation (will collaborate in Google Docs), bkp and x3mboy will present to the Fedora Council in May sub-project report slot (tentatively May 24, need to confirm with Council)
13:51:00 <jwf> #action jwf Put Marketing on the hook for May sub-project report
13:51:02 <mailga> of course if you need a help, you just have to ping me.
13:51:17 <x3mboy> Thanks, I will take it in consideration
13:51:46 <jwf> #action jwf Create public Google Doc, share with mailing list (people can request editing privileges to prevent anything being wiped for whatever reason)
13:51:59 <jwf> Okay, awesome. :)
13:52:09 <jwf> Is there anything else we want to cover for the sub-project report?
13:52:17 * mailga thinks we should also take a glance to the upcoming FOSCo....
13:52:17 * jwf really appreciates bkp and x3mboy stepping up for this one!!
13:52:24 <jwf> .thank bkp
13:52:24 <zodbot> jwf thinks bkp is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bkp++ also)
13:52:28 <jwf> .thank x3mboy
13:52:28 <zodbot> jwf thinks x3mboy is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to x3mboy++ also)
13:53:00 <jwf> mailga: It might be worthwhile to check in on this for FOSCo. I'm not sure the vision is for FOSCo presently. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-council-fad-2017-report/
13:53:15 <jwf> (know there is more to come after this post if things are still unclear)
13:53:53 <jwf> Going once…
13:54:04 <jwf> Going twice…
13:54:12 <jwf> Going thrice…
13:54:15 <jwf> #topic Upcoming Tasks
13:54:20 <jwf> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-marketing-tasks.html
13:54:25 <jwf> #info (1) Review Firefox Bookmarks For Update (due: Tue 2017-04-11)
13:54:30 <mailga> jwf: yes, right. But we should be prepared in order to get FOSCo.
13:54:33 <jwf> #info (2) Update and Package Firefox Bookmarks (due: Thu 2017-04-13)
13:54:38 <jwf> #info (3) Tag Updated Bookmarks Package for Fedora 26 (due: Thu 2017-04-13)
13:54:43 <jwf> #info (4) Beta Freeze (Tue 2017-05-16, 00:00 UTC)
13:54:49 <jwf> #topic Open Floor
13:55:04 <jwf> mailga: Part of my concern is that there might not be a FOSCo, though.
13:56:13 <x3mboy> !
13:56:14 * jwf isn't totally clear on this, though, and doesn't want to speak for any other group
13:56:17 <jwf> x3mboy: Sure!
13:56:25 <x3mboy> I open a ticket
13:56:38 <x3mboy> https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/251
13:56:57 <jwf> Oh!
13:57:00 <jwf> I totally missed this one.
13:57:14 <x3mboy> Because it was being normal to get short of time in both magazine and marketing meetings
13:57:37 <x3mboy> So I made a proposal to move to #fedora-meeting-3 and have a 1.5 hours meeting
13:57:50 <jwf> x3mboy: I could see it being a good idea to extend the meeting time with the pretense that if we finish early, we can just close out when done.
13:57:51 <x3mboy> Sorry, I think I miss the meeting tag
13:58:04 <jwf> This also follows up on something else I wanted to mention too
13:58:36 <x3mboy> And the other thing: TPs where discussed toady???
13:58:53 <x3mboy> I make contact with workstation and cloud/atomic teams
13:59:20 <x3mboy> Workstation team are agreed in TPs as they are done in the wiki
13:59:20 <jwf> I'd like to ask if anyone would like to take the chairing duties for Marketing meetings for a while since I will be away. It might be a good idea to start on this now while I am here to leave chance to figure things out too and it doesn't seem like a lot of work. I want to de-formalize the meeting process as much as possible to make it focus on what it's really about: looking at the tasks and goals we want to accomplish, and figuring out how we get
13:59:20 <jwf> to those goals!
14:00:01 <jwf> x3mboy: We did cover them earlier! And I forgot you made contact with Cloud / Atomic. There were some action items earlier about that (I still need to do follow-up and was going to put a call to action out on the mailing list to try to get some engagement / help with some other tasks).
14:00:32 <x3mboy> And atomic are puting things in the an issue, I need to sumarize it and then ask them if they are OK
14:00:55 <x3mboy> For now, they are working here: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/262
14:01:19 <jwf> My time this coming week is going to be stretched thin, I'm trying to spend as much of my time this next month to focus on ways to help enable other groups to still be able to keep rocking on while I'm gone (tried to word this in a way that felt right, but hopefully you'll understand what I mean)
14:01:24 <x3mboy> That's eof for my
14:01:37 <jwf> x3mboy++ Awesome! That's great!
14:01:51 <jwf> Let me repeat the action item from earlier to see if it's something you're also up for:
14:02:10 <jwf> [15:18:36] <jwf> #action jwf Put call out on list to reach out to Atomic / Design teams for getting feedback on Fedora Atomic / Design Suite
14:02:14 <jwf> Ahh, you have Atomic though
14:02:34 <jwf> x3mboy: Think you'd also be up for dropping a line on the Design Team list to solicit points for the Design Suite?
14:02:36 <x3mboy> Yeah! Not Design, but I can sneak in their meeting I thing
14:02:40 * jwf remember Design always being responsive for this
14:02:43 <jwf> x3mboy: Ah, yeah!
14:02:48 <jwf> Meetings work just as well. :)
14:02:55 <x3mboy> s/thing/think/g
14:03:09 * jwf remembers their meeting time is early in the morning US EST tomorrow
14:03:10 <x3mboy> Cool! Action me on that then
14:03:10 <x3mboy> :D
14:03:18 * jwf does the thing
14:03:36 <jwf> #action x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points
14:03:41 <jwf> Awesome. :)
14:03:49 <jwf> And I'll give myself one more action for the meeting chair
14:04:00 <jwf> #action jwf Put out call for meeting chair for future meetings on the mailing list
14:04:14 <jwf> Okay, and we're over time now. If no objections, going to go ahead and close out here. :)
14:04:20 <jwf> Anything else for today?
14:04:29 <jwf> Going once…
14:04:39 <jwf> Going twice…
14:04:45 <jwf> And thrice…
14:04:51 <jwf> Thanks for coming out today, everyone :)
14:04:52 <jwf> #endmeeting