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15:02:11 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
15:02:18 * sumantrom is here
15:02:19 <adamw> morning folks, who's around?
15:02:27 * coremodule is here!
15:02:29 <sumantrom> morning adamw !
15:02:43 <sumantrom> hi coremodule o/
15:03:19 <coremodule> Hey sumantrom , how's it going?
15:03:31 * tflink is here
15:03:55 <sumantrom> coremodule: it's awesome! , how are you doing
15:04:11 * roshi is here
15:04:55 <coremodule> sumantrom, Not bad at all, ready to get at working on stuff for Beta! :P
15:05:08 <adamw> this meeting will also be known as the 'watch adam make pancakes' meeting
15:05:16 <coremodule> mmmm
15:05:41 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:07:02 <adamw> #info "adamw to look into Kerberos credential cache Change and see if it's significant" - well, it's been deferred to F27: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1421604#c4 , so it's not important for F26.
15:07:25 <adamw> roshi: next one is yours, "roshi to draft up some sort of formal functional requirements / release criteria / something for Atomic"
15:07:28 <adamw> you talk, i'll flip pancakes
15:07:29 <adamw> :P
15:07:46 <roshi> well, we have the PRD
15:08:09 <roshi> and that's about it
15:08:25 * roshi forgot about this task in the midst of Alpha fun times (cough)
15:08:42 <roshi> I'll whip something together and float it by the Atomic group
15:09:15 <roshi> one of the bigger issues is how Atomic relates to release artifacts with it's 2 week release and whatnot
15:10:15 * adamw tries to resist the urge to just drink the maple syrup straight from the cute little bear-shaped jar
15:10:18 <roshi> so I don't think we'll have "release criteria" in the normal sense, but I'll shore up the "installer must do X", "image must do Y" verbiage somewhere so they have something to go off of at least for the 2 week releases
15:10:25 <roshi> lol
15:10:29 <roshi> if all that makes sense
15:11:01 <adamw> yeah, that was kinda where i was leaning with it
15:11:09 <adamw> we've got a mailing list thread for it, right?
15:11:20 <roshi> yeah?
15:11:23 * roshi doesn't recall
15:11:30 <adamw> "	Proposal: Release blocking for F27"
15:11:45 <adamw> is kinda covering the ground
15:11:48 <adamw> (on cloud@)
15:11:59 * satellit listening
15:12:13 <roshi> ah, that spawned out of the comments on that one bug, iirc
15:12:38 * roshi is just waiting for Glorious Future when the CI does everything and we don't need release criteria anymore
15:12:42 <roshi> :p
15:13:04 <tflink> roshi: you're going to be waiting a while for AI to decide what blocks release :-P
15:13:05 <adamw> it's scheduled for next tuesday, i think
15:13:06 <adamw> hang in there
15:13:21 * roshi updates his calendar
15:13:27 <adamw> tflink: right, we're stuck with the NS method for a while there
15:13:34 <roshi> tflink: or the AI is just waiting for us to cede control
15:14:01 <adamw> #info "roshi to draft up some sort of formal functional requirements / release criteria / something for Atomic" - the PRD is completed, but we're still working on the overall release cycle for Atomic, including how to handle the pre-release period
15:14:12 <adamw> sound good?
15:14:14 <roshi> sounds good to me
15:14:19 * adamw waits patiently for someone to ask what NS is
15:14:55 * roshi takes bait
15:14:58 <roshi> what's NS?
15:14:59 <sumantrom> what is NS ?
15:15:36 <coremodule> lol
15:16:13 <adamw> Natural Stupidity
15:16:17 <adamw> :P
15:16:19 <roshi> lol
15:16:29 <adamw> thank you, thank you, i'll be here all week
15:16:30 <adamw> tip your server
15:16:47 <adamw> i think that's it for follow-up
15:16:53 <adamw> #topic Fedora 26 status
15:16:54 <roshi> like tip it all the way over? which server? /me has many
15:17:05 <adamw> .fire roshi i'm the only one allowed to try to be funny here, dangit
15:17:05 <zodbot> adamw fires roshi i'm the only one allowed to try to be funny here, dangit
15:17:11 <roshi> lol
15:18:13 * satellit bummed that mate and cinnamon did not get into alpha 1.7  due to changes in backgrounds    I tested thtm in previous alpha builds
15:20:20 <adamw> yeah, sorry about that
15:20:34 <satellit> do we need a FE?
15:21:12 <adamw> in case anyone's interested, a few live images missed Alpha because of me; I changed all f25-backgrounds* in comps and kickstarts to f26-backgrounds*, but apparently some f26-backgrounds-extras isn't actually built at this point in the cycle so any spins that listed it didn't get built
15:21:13 <adamw> le sigh
15:21:28 <adamw> one more reason to clean up this backgrounds mess
15:22:39 <adamw> so other than that...Alpha's done, unfortunately two weeks late
15:22:52 <roshi> at least it's done though
15:23:00 <roshi> now we can see what Beta has in store
15:24:26 <adamw> looking ahead, assuming the calendar's updated, we have Beta freeze on 2017-05-16
15:24:54 <adamw> test days will be ramping up from this week on (see next topic for more)
15:25:16 <adamw> #info some lives missed Alpha due to a mix-up with f26-backgrounds subpackages, should be fixed for Beta
15:25:24 <adamw> #info Beta freeze is on 2017-05-16, mark your calendars
15:25:47 <adamw> I know I say this every time, but: the earlier we catch Beta blockers, the less slipping there'll be and the less last-minute testing stress
15:26:00 <roshi> yep
15:26:29 <adamw> so it'd be great if folks can help run through the Beta and Final tests with the Alpha and then with the nightly builds, as the validation testing announcements appear
15:26:45 <satellit> +1
15:27:21 <coremodule> Can do.
15:28:10 <adamw> #info please help run Beta and Final validation tests on the Alpha and then on the nightly validation composes
15:28:25 <adamw> i don't know of any specific fires going on with F26 right now that need discussing, anyone got anything?
15:29:11 * roshi 
15:29:18 * roshi doesn't know of anything
15:29:25 <roshi> and can't type, apparently
15:30:42 <adamw> .fire roshi learn to type damnit
15:30:42 <zodbot> adamw fires roshi learn to type damnit
15:30:51 <roshi> oooh, twice in one meeting
15:30:59 <roshi> it's going to be a good week
15:32:02 <adamw> little-known fact: if i fire you three times in one meeting, the spirit of the dark god Quexxxlllooacclllwwwxxx will be revived
15:32:30 <adamw> so, you know, best behaviour and all that, old chap
15:32:40 <roshi> is that the AI that we were talking about earlier? the bringer of CI?
15:33:14 <adamw> well, reliable sources tell me the Jenkins development process involves several daily sacrifices to the god. allegedly.
15:33:21 <adamw> #topic Test Day status
15:33:28 <sumantrom> we are announcing Anaconda Blivet GUI testday on 6th April 2017. The developers and roshi has checked out the pages and test cases. Public annoucement to test annouce and community blog is underway ! The issue is https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/496.DNF 2.0 test day to follow.
15:33:29 <roshi> haha
15:34:02 <adamw> #info 2017-04-06 will be anaconda blivet-gui Test Day, please help out if you can
15:34:47 <adamw> in case folks didn't notice, anaconda grew a rather important new option in F26: as well as the two existing partitioning choices (automatic, and the existing anaconda custom part interface) there's now a *third* choice
15:34:52 <adamw> because we all know linux is about choice, right?!
15:35:06 <adamw> so now you can do custom partitioning with blivet-gui run within anaconda, as well as using anaconda's own interface
15:35:14 <coremodule> Yay!
15:35:16 <adamw> (because there just weren't enough ways for custom partitioning to go wrong already)
15:35:22 <sumantrom> yayyy! :)
15:35:42 <adamw> so, we'll have a test day for using that interface, to try and shake out whatever problems it inevitably has
15:36:05 * mkolman should be there during the (EMEA) day to assist
15:36:13 <mkolman> vtrefny likely as well
15:36:22 <adamw> i think we can remove the powerful limiters we installed on kparal and cmurf for this one
15:36:43 <adamw> it'll be like that anime cliche where the hero takes off his wrist weights with a giant "thunk"
15:37:01 <adamw> i'll just have to check that bugzilla has the bandwidth to keep up
15:37:14 <mkolman> you can't simply show your real strength from the beginning :)
15:37:31 <adamw> EXACTLY :P
15:37:32 <mkolman> everyone would just always run away otherwise :)
15:38:08 <adamw> so are you guys happy with the planning for this one, or need any help with final prep?
15:38:48 <roshi> seems like they have everything in order
15:38:58 <roshi> blog posts, magazine articles, email announcements
15:39:06 <adamw> cool, i meant also the content
15:41:54 <mkolman> the test cases are based on the custom spoke ones, as blivet gui should cover all those (just better, IMHO ;-) )
15:43:31 <adamw> yep, that seems good; i'd also want to cover various bootloader scenarios
15:43:39 <adamw> as there are interactions between the partitioning code and the bootloader code
15:44:20 <mkolman> that seems sensible
15:44:52 <mkolman> even though IIRC the same sanity checking as with custom spoke should run on the configuration you create with Blivet GUI
15:46:35 <mkolman> also there can be things only blivet GUI can do but custom spoke can't do
15:46:44 <adamw> this is why we test :P
15:46:51 <adamw> ok, i'll take a look over the page later and send along any feedback i have
15:46:58 <mkolman> but I think it makes sense to concentrate on the baseline (what custom spoke can do
15:46:59 <mkolman> )
15:47:01 <mkolman> first
15:47:02 <adamw> coremodule: sumantrom: what other test days do we have coming up?
15:47:11 <mkolman> cool, thanks! :)
15:47:42 <sumantrom> dnf 2.0. we are awaiting response from the change owners.
15:49:26 <coremodule> sumantrom is the man here.
15:49:33 <mkolman> isn't it DNF 2.2 ?
15:50:19 <mkolman> oh, the overall 2.x series I guess
15:50:33 <sumantrom> mkolman: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF-2.0 this changeset!
15:50:54 <sumantrom> coremodule: you are always there :)
15:53:32 <adamw> DNF 2: Return Of DNF
15:54:19 <adamw> hmm, i recall someone asked me just recently if they could propose a test day for f26, but i don't see a recent ticket
15:54:26 <adamw> guess i should go back and check who that was and see if they still want it
15:54:31 <adamw> alright, anything else on test days?
15:54:37 <roshi> Duke Nukem Forever 2?
15:55:27 <sumantrom> adamw: nothing else from my end!
15:56:58 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:57:02 <adamw> alrighty, any other business, anyone?
15:57:31 <coremodule> I will get the Heroes of Fedora post for F26 Alpha out by this time next week.
15:58:53 <sumantrom> coremodule yeeh! :)
15:59:48 <adamw> yay!
15:59:56 <adamw> #info HoF F26 Alpha is to come from coremodule
16:02:12 <adamw> sounds like that's everything
16:02:26 <adamw> just want to say a big thanks to everyone who helped with Alpha validation
16:02:37 <adamw> much more numerically complete thanks will be forthcoming from coremodule :P
16:02:46 <adamw> #info big thanks to everyone who helped with Alpha validation
16:03:04 <coremodule> Haha, yes, your numbers *will* be crunched.
16:03:29 * adamw sets fuse
16:04:19 <adamw> thanks for coming, everyone!
16:04:22 <adamw> #endmeeting