22:00:25 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
22:00:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar  2 22:00:25 2017 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:00:25 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
22:00:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine'
22:00:30 <stickster> #topic Roll call
22:00:32 <jwf> .hello jflory7
22:00:34 <stickster> .hello pfrields
22:00:34 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
22:00:36 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
22:00:45 <stickster> #chair jwf ryanlerch
22:00:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf ryanlerch stickster
22:01:19 <stickster> o/ jwf
22:01:20 * jwf waves
22:01:47 <sub_pop_> .hello linkdupont
22:01:48 <zodbot> sub_pop_: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
22:01:58 <stickster> #chair linuxmodder
22:01:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf linuxmodder ryanlerch stickster
22:02:03 <stickster> oops, sorry linuxmodder
22:02:07 <stickster> #undo
22:02:07 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x2e829d0>
22:02:11 <stickster> #topic Roll call
22:02:17 <jwf> I think #unchair should work
22:02:24 <stickster> #unchair linuxmodder
22:02:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf ryanlerch stickster
22:02:31 <stickster> #chair sub_pop
22:02:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
22:02:42 * stickster can't spell "link" right apparently
22:02:43 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
22:02:44 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
22:02:49 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
22:02:52 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
22:02:56 <stickster> #chair linuxmodder
22:02:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf linuxmodder ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
22:03:26 <stickster> #topic Last week in review
22:04:01 <stickster> #info just shy of 50K pageviews -- a little down from previous weeks in mid 50Ks
22:04:19 <stickster> But overall a very good February, even if down from January it was our best Feb ever
22:04:33 <ryanlerch> woot!
22:04:34 <jwf> \o/ Saw that email, exciting news regardless!
22:04:39 <ryanlerch> that is great news!
22:04:47 <stickster> #topic Review pending
22:04:47 <jwf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/TZ2WMNFESDQ5FGUTPKQSIAR45LCUSAHA/
22:04:50 <ryanlerch> a couple of days less in Feb too
22:04:55 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending
22:05:21 <stickster> ryanlerch: jwf: yeah -- so it's a definite sign that the Magazine is on the right track, up and to the right in a substantial way!!!
22:05:33 * stickster thinks the content curation we're doing is on the money
22:05:42 <jwf> Definitely agreed.
22:06:00 <stickster> #info --- Ibus ---
22:06:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16322&preview=true
22:06:22 <stickster> jwf: You're working on this one, want to fill us in?
22:06:29 <ryanlerch> ibus typing Wooster
22:06:30 <jwf> This one is edited and finished, but I just want to try improving the section about choosing the language using ryanlerch's magic GIF script. :)
22:06:53 <jwf> That's all I have left, so I will get it scheduled in the 30 minutes or so after the meeting.
22:07:03 <jwf> Any other edits or review is also welcome!
22:07:13 <jwf> * are also
22:07:27 <stickster> woop woop... so I take it this is going out tomorrow
22:07:39 <jwf> Yeah, we had planned for this one to be on Friday of this week.
22:07:55 <stickster> #info ibus article going out tomorrow (Fri 2017-Mar-03)
22:08:16 <stickster> #info --- Getting the most out of GNOME notifications ---
22:08:18 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16496&preview=true
22:09:09 <ryanlerch> #info needs featured image
22:09:24 <stickster> Yeah, good point. This one also needs an editorial pass, and a test of the recommended extensions, but IIRC is pretty much on track
22:09:29 <ryanlerch> i can do the image
22:09:41 <stickster> that's weird, because I can do the editing :-D
22:10:03 <stickster> #action stickster edit GNOME notifications article by Sunday 2017-Mar-05
22:10:26 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do GNOME notifications article image
22:10:29 <jwf> Sounds like a plan meant to happen!
22:10:32 <stickster> :-D
22:10:48 <stickster> #info --- Minsk conference presentation ---
22:10:51 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16657&preview=true
22:11:45 <jwf> Looking like more of a CommBlog article – if I remember right, this was already suggested elsewhere too?
22:11:48 <stickster> I sent some feedback on the list. This came in as a pitch but is in Pending Review... I opined it's a better fit for Community Blog: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/VLCN7YSVUZG4OUZCMGMILBHWCFICYQLL/
22:11:53 <stickster> *jinx jwf  :-D
22:12:17 <x3mboy> .hello x3mboy
22:12:18 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
22:12:24 <stickster> #chair x3mboy
22:12:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf linuxmodder ryanlerch stickster sub_pop x3mboy
22:12:25 <stickster> o/
22:12:26 <jwf> Ah, yeah, I thought so.
22:12:30 <ryanlerch> the content of the talk might be interesting to present on the magazine though
22:12:50 <x3mboy> #info Eduard Lucena; UTC-4; Marketing/Magazine/Ambassadors
22:13:06 <stickster> ryanlerch: like, about Patternfly?
22:13:07 <x3mboy> stickster, ryanlerch, jwf
22:13:10 <x3mboy> o/
22:13:22 * jwf waves to x3mboy
22:13:54 <stickster> Or do you mean, why Fedora makes a great front-end developer workstation?
22:13:56 <ryanlerch> stickster: oh, i didnt read that far
22:14:03 <jwf> I'll still want to read the article more thoroughly, but I think a direct port to the CommBlog is a reasonable ask. I might have to take a lighter week on the Magazine side because I have a large queue of content on the Community Blog to work on
22:14:16 <ryanlerch> yeah, that is what i assumed the talk was about
22:14:54 <stickster> jwf: It seems like the conference talk was more about PatternFly, but the writer was also interested in evangelizing Fedora in Belarus
22:14:55 <ryanlerch> sorry, ignore my last suggestion
22:15:06 <stickster> oops, that should have been ryanlerch:
22:15:24 <stickster> OK, fair enough -- either way, I think we know what should happen with this blog then?
22:16:00 <jwf> I can reply back to the author on the list with specific details about moving it over to the CommBlog.
22:16:05 <ryanlerch> stickster: def commblog
22:16:14 <stickster> #action jwf reply to author and get the move to CommBlog done
22:16:19 <stickster> makes sense, thanks jwf
22:16:26 <stickster> anything else in review?
22:16:49 <stickster> seems like not, so...
22:16:52 <stickster> #topic Drafts
22:16:52 <jwf> I didn't have a chance to double check the drafts yet, so we might have something in there. :) But nothing else marked right now.
22:17:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
22:17:33 <stickster> #info --- i3 ---
22:17:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16348&preview=true
22:17:54 <stickster> #info This i3 article is supposed to be retooled, no changes since 2017-Feb-04
22:18:02 <stickster> Should we give this another week? I can ping the author
22:18:15 <jwf> Ah, I think we had meant to check back in with the author on this, did we do that?
22:18:29 <ryanlerch> hmmm stickster we have done one link this in the past, right?
22:18:31 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/
22:18:57 <stickster> There's a thread on the mailing list
22:19:16 <stickster> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/5X37QRI2EPYCROSSMFGJGDP5PU4RHUOQ/
22:19:25 <stickster> It seems left in an uncertain state, I can reply there
22:19:25 <jwf> ryanlerch: We originally had wanted the author to focus in some specific tools or configurations for i3 instead of a getting started guide
22:20:10 <x3mboy> Because another article was published about it
22:20:10 <jwf> Ah, yeah, we didn't get a reply back for some of his last questions at the very bottom
22:20:19 <stickster> his reply is not totally clear, it *seems* like he's saying maybe he'd rather write on a different topic, so we can encourage him to either do that, or look at starter pitches
22:20:33 <jwf> stickster: I think that would be a good approach.
22:21:17 <stickster> #action stickster reply on list with some suggested next steps for Ankit
22:21:35 <stickster> #info --- integrating a Nautilus script ---
22:21:37 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16548&preview=true
22:22:21 <stickster> So this looks like an interesting article
22:23:29 <stickster> I'm not sure the javaws guidance given here is kosher though
22:24:01 <ryanlerch> i think also, having a more generic example might be more usable for more users too
22:24:31 <jwf> I think it would be a stronger article to focus on more general uses or how to add the script instead of adding the Java context, since that seems pretty specific
22:24:40 <jwf> ryanlerch: +1
22:24:57 <ryanlerch> if we show how to do something simple, like an image conversion or something, then developers *should* see the potential for things like the java example
22:25:08 <stickster> agreed
22:26:08 <stickster> I like the article concept though... does someone want editing?  If not, I can do it this weekend, that's only two total for me
22:26:51 <stickster> that's my limit though -- I'll be traveling Sunday afternoon, and in Westford MA through Wednesday, so no time to do other stuff there besides all-day powwows
22:26:59 <jwf> I could probably help with this for a Friday publication.
22:27:31 <x3mboy> Tomorrow???
22:27:35 <ryanlerch> i' can grab this one too
22:27:36 <stickster> x3mboy: next Friday
22:27:41 <jwf> Friday, March 10. :)
22:27:42 <sub_pop> is this still relevant? http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/
22:28:12 <stickster> not sure... looks pretty old, but at the same time I think the script component of Nautilus has been stable for a while
22:28:18 <jwf> ryanlerch: If you have the time for it, I have no qualms with passing this one to you. I have a lot of content to get through on the CommBlog and I know I could spend the cycles there
22:28:32 <ryanlerch> yeah, i can do it
22:28:53 <ryanlerch> it is basically a re-write though, based on the concept, right?
22:29:31 <sub_pop> yea. it might be nice to provide a current nautilus script development guide too. a lot of references are very old
22:29:33 <stickster> ryanlerch: I think it would make sense to notify the author, then remove the javaws part, do something more generic, and keep the bit on libreoffice printing, which does seem more useful
22:29:55 <jwf> I think so, but I think this one could be short and sweet, and still be a high interest article to a lot of users. Agreed with stickster on notifying the author first too.
22:30:45 <sub_pop> lol those icons take me back...
22:30:50 <stickster> heh
22:31:02 <stickster> ryanlerch: it does appear the interface is pretty stable too
22:31:41 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, i have used these in the past to convert images
22:32:09 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit the Nautilus script article for a Friday 2017-Mar-10 publication
22:32:13 <stickster> #undo
22:32:13 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 22:32:09 : ryanlerch edit the Nautilus script article for a Friday 2017-Mar-10 publication
22:32:19 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit the Nautilus script article for a Friday 2017-Mar-10 publication, and do a featured image
22:32:22 <stickster> :-D
22:32:57 <stickster> no sense in handing Michelangelo's paintbrush to someone else
22:33:48 <stickster> #info --- How to install Fedora as a VirtualBox guest ---
22:33:49 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16588&preview=true
22:34:55 <stickster> This is a *highly* valuable article... even though VBox isn't free. But we also need to have something in here that warns people about any catches
22:35:35 <stickster> adamw: ping, if we had an article in Fedora Magazine that shows users how to use a Fedora guest in VirtualBox, is there anything we should warn them about that helps keep useless bugs or gripes out of support channels?
22:36:00 <jwf> This is definitely an article of high interest
22:36:08 <x3mboy> Can i Highlight that there are F25 images ready for VBox and VMware???
22:36:16 <stickster> *nod
22:36:20 <x3mboy> http://www.osboxes.org/fedora/
22:36:27 <jwf> Some homework on any good tips to avoid problems would definitely help beforehand.
22:36:44 <stickster> x3mboy: I don't think we're going to point people to other folks' images -- the point would be to have them download the image from Fedora to use
22:37:02 <jwf> alciregi++ for being on fire with a lot of these newest drafts and articles :)
22:37:02 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for alciregi changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
22:37:14 <stickster> I'm willing to take this one on, it's a beast but it has high value
22:37:37 <stickster> #action stickster take editing chair on VirtualBox article
22:37:40 <jwf> I can help with content editing, but I would definitely want a technical proof from someone else too
22:38:10 <stickster> #info VBox article *might* not be ready for publication next week, depends on how much feedback stickster can get from QA & kernel on gotchas
22:38:10 <sub_pop> maybe a blast to the list ahead of time to get some folks to test drive the steps?
22:38:21 <stickster> I'm fine to test drive it, that's not an issue
22:38:22 <adamw> stickster: uh. not off the top of my head, but i expect there *will* be such things.
22:38:27 <adamw> we do not test fedora on vbox officially.
22:38:35 <adamw> i never run it that way, so i have no personal experience.
22:38:53 <adamw> might be best to ask on test@ and users@ lists for folks who do have experience.
22:39:23 <stickster> adamw: I know we shy away from VirtualBox running *on* Fedora since we have KVM, but it seems to me this way is both (a) more kosher to write up, and (b) highly valuable since lots of folks likely try it
22:39:51 <stickster> And of course we can let people know that virtualization on Fedora is easy, once they get their feet wet with the distro itself
22:40:10 <stickster> adamw: OK, I'm loathe to open this on users@ but I will ask around on test@
22:40:48 <stickster> #info --- Wireshark ---
22:40:50 <adamw> i don't have any fundamental objection to it, just be aware it's not something that blocks releases and it has no formal tests, though in practice quite a lot of people do do it.
22:40:53 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16728&preview=true
22:41:09 <x3mboy> Great article this one...
22:41:31 <stickster> adamw: yeah, of course -- the nature of the article is more like a howto, as opposed to sanctioning things
22:41:50 <stickster> adamw: but it sounds worthwhile just to point out what you said, specifically, in the article
22:41:59 <stickster> (which I'll take care of) ;-)
22:42:24 <stickster> So this wireshark article... overjoyed to see yet *another* person contributing
22:43:26 <stickster> Honestly, it seems like this one might be easier to get out next week
22:43:30 <jwf> This one seems more like pending review, no?
22:43:36 <stickster> yeah, it really does
22:43:42 <jwf> Yeah, this seems like a good "next week" candidate
22:43:54 <stickster> jwf: I was thinking the same
22:44:10 <jwf> I think this is one I can take on
22:44:18 <stickster> jwf: also, this would be light editing, so if you were going to work on just one, this seems easier
22:44:29 <jwf> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
22:44:36 <stickster> do the honors ;-D
22:45:17 <jwf> #action jwf Review, edit, create featured image for "How to install Wireshark network analyzer on Fedora" for a Wednesday, 2017-03-08 publication
22:45:34 <stickster> bonzer, looks like we have our week
22:45:40 <jwf> \o/
22:46:01 <stickster> #info --- cloud-init on oVirt ---
22:46:04 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16429&preview=true
22:47:23 * stickster wonders if there's a cloudy person around who could advise whether this is a good topic to put out there
22:47:34 <jwf> This seems like a strong article so far, but I wonder if the author is still working on it – feels like an abrupt end
22:48:12 <stickster> .fasinfo evilissimo
22:48:14 <zodbot> stickster: User: evilissimo, Name: Vinzenz Feenstra, email: vfeenstr@redhat.com, Creation: 2012-08-10, IRC Nick: evilissimo, Timezone: Europe/Prague, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
22:48:17 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: packager fedorabugs cla_fpca cla_done
22:49:33 <x3mboy> I'm back
22:49:41 <stickster> #action stickster ask on list if evilissimo is finished with this article, since it ends rather abruptly
22:50:13 <stickster> it was messed with as late as today, but he was last on the list a couple weeks ago
22:50:37 <jwf> And since we have time, we can figure out what do for that one at next week's meeting. Although, stickster, I take it you won't be here at next week's meeting because of the traveling?
22:51:17 <stickster> No, I'll be back in time
22:51:23 <stickster> traveling Wed late night and I'm at work on Thu
22:51:50 <jwf> Ahhh, okay. So we can check in next week to see if this one is ready for a spot on the publishing queue.
22:51:50 <stickster> There is a small chance I might not make it because I'll be attending one more day of meetings remotely, but I *think* I can get out by 5pm. If the on-site attendees aren't ready to break by then I'd be surprised
22:51:55 <stickster> jwf: +1
22:52:25 <jwf> If it's not looking likely, just drop me a line and I'll be able to chair if needed.
22:52:29 * stickster notes he just emailed, should hear back before then
22:52:35 <stickster> jwf: right on!
22:52:55 <stickster> Do we want to look at pitches in the last few minutes? Maybe interrupt to share publishing schedule first, then do that?
22:53:14 <x3mboy> +1
22:53:29 <jwf> Yeah, let's do it.
22:53:30 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule for next week
22:54:21 <stickster> #idea Mon 2017-Mar-06: GNOME notifications ; Wed 2017-Mar-08
22:54:23 <stickster> argh
22:54:24 <stickster> #undo
22:54:24 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: IDEA by stickster at 22:54:21 : Mon 2017-Mar-06: GNOME notifications ; Wed 2017-Mar-08
22:54:56 <stickster> #idea Mon 2017-Mar-06: GNOME notifications (stickster); Wed 2017-Mar-08: Wireshark (jwf); Fri 2017-Mar-10: Nautilus scripts (ryanlerch)
22:55:09 <jwf> +1
22:55:24 <x3mboy> +1
22:55:50 <ryanlerch> +1
22:55:52 <x3mboy> I'll be waiting for the wireshark article
22:56:11 <stickster> #agreed Publishing as above!
22:56:18 <stickster> #topic Pitches
22:56:35 * jwf knows x3mboy wanted us to hit on his text editor pitch. :)
22:56:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc
22:57:01 <stickster> #info --- War of the text editors ---
22:57:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16710&preview=true
22:57:38 * jwf wonder if it might be better as a two-part series for GUI and CLI?
22:57:41 <stickster> x3mboy: This could end up being a very long article... should we divide this?
22:57:44 <stickster> *jinx
22:58:01 <jwf> stickster: :) As usual!
22:58:02 <x3mboy> Yes, why not
22:58:09 <stickster> x3mboy: it could almost be 3 parts... CLI, GUI part 1, and GUI part 2
22:58:10 <x3mboy> ?
22:58:15 <stickster> there are a *LOT* of GUI editors listed
22:58:21 <x3mboy> Yes
22:58:45 * jwf almost feels like this could be as many parts as x3mboy has the time and energy to write on :)
22:58:59 <x3mboy> Like I said, it will require some research so 3 weeks will be fine (one per week)
22:59:13 <stickster> jwf: that's an idea... for instance, maybe do three editors at a time or something
22:59:34 <stickster> x3mboy: ^ that way you don't have to do as much at one time, and you're more likely to have a successful run
22:59:38 <x3mboy> I was thinking in give a final approach about for what purpose we recommend each editor
22:59:41 * jwf nods
23:00:21 <stickster> x3mboy: Actually... I don't know that I'd even do that, because your criteria might be different than someone else's
23:00:26 <x3mboy> For example: I highly recommend SciTe for CSV editing and exploration, and atom for github projects
23:00:56 * stickster sees a lot of "recommended" articles that miss other people's use cases, and we wouldn't want to fall into that trap
23:01:01 <x3mboy> stickster: fair point
23:01:26 <x3mboy> Ok, just let's people decide what to use
23:01:34 <stickster> x3mboy: It should be enough to say, here's a particular strength for this editor, like it makes markup languages easy... or it interfaces well with Github... or whatever
23:01:44 <stickster> maybe even more than one strength sometimes
23:02:04 <jwf> Kind of like a quick profile to some prominent and popular editors
23:02:08 <stickster> x3mboy: yeah, it's such a subjective thing...
23:02:08 <x3mboy> Exactly that is what I want
23:02:20 <stickster> "The World of Editors"
23:02:45 <stickster> x3mboy: don't be surprised if you get recommendations in comments on some to include, too
23:02:55 <stickster> anyway, +1 on this pitch
23:02:59 <x3mboy> Ok, so split in 2 (probably 3) articles
23:03:09 <jwf> +1 for going for it as a series :)
23:03:40 <stickster> x3mboy: see how long the first one is when you put in 3-4 editors.  If it's over 500-600 words, you might want to have even more articles in the end
23:03:55 <stickster> unless we can do paged articles?
23:04:12 <stickster> ryanlerch: might know that
23:04:22 <x3mboy> Ok
23:04:25 <stickster> woo listicles
23:04:40 <x3mboy> I will start to work I the first part this weekend
23:04:41 <stickster> #agreed Pitch approved, go for it x3mboy
23:04:56 * stickster has to run, so maybe we should call it here and hit more pitches next time
23:05:41 <jwf> Yeah, I'm going to be ready to head to bed soon :)
23:05:45 <ryanlerch> hmmm, i dont think we can easily do paged articles
23:05:52 <x3mboy> See ya guys
23:05:54 <jwf> +1 to put a nail in it here
23:06:02 <x3mboy> Ahhh
23:06:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: no worries
23:06:09 * jwf feels good about next week!
23:06:11 * stickster to
23:06:17 <stickster> ugh, editor license revoked
23:06:18 <x3mboy> And already have recommendations about other editors
23:06:31 <stickster> Thanks for coming everyone!
23:06:32 <x3mboy> xF
23:06:37 <stickster> #endmeeting