20:00:00 <nmilosev> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2017-03-01
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20:00:07 <nmilosev> #meetingname emea_ambassadors
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20:00:11 <nmilosev> #topic Roll Call
20:00:17 <lupinix> .hello lupinix
20:00:18 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix@mailbox.org>
20:00:19 <nmilosev> .fas nmilosev
20:00:21 <zodbot> nmilosev: nmilosev 'Nemanja Milosevic' <nmilosevnm@gmail.com>
20:00:22 <lupinix> good evening :)
20:00:22 <JacobCZ> .fas jacobcz
20:00:24 <zodbot> JacobCZ: jacobcz 'Jakub Sycha' <jakubsycha@gmail.com>
20:00:28 <nmilosev> hello! :)
20:00:34 <nmilosev> Hello everyone and welcome to another regular meeting for the EMEA region. Let's wait a few more minutes for others to show up.
20:00:39 <nmilosev> Please note the meeting protocol is in order: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC#Meeting_Protocol - Use ‘!’ to ask for permission to speak, or ‘?’ to ask a question. End with ‘eof’.
20:00:52 <FedoraUser> .hello fedorauser
20:00:53 <zodbot> FedoraUser: fedorauser 'Medic Momcilo' <medicmomcilo@gmail.com>
20:01:02 <FedoraUser> o/
20:01:08 * nmilosev o/ FedoraUser
20:01:24 <JacobCZ> \o/
20:03:00 <nmilosev> #topic Announcements
20:03:01 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:03:02 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <mitzie@mitzelos.com>
20:03:07 <nmilosev> #info Fedora is accepted as a mentoring organization in Google Summer Of Code
20:03:12 <nmilosev> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/gsoc-2017-mentors-ideas-needed/
20:03:16 <nmilosev> #info Fedora Paste service revamped
20:03:21 <nmilosev> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/hello-modern-paste/
20:03:26 <nmilosev> #info Anaconda banners redesigned
20:03:31 <nmilosev> #link https://marygraphicdesigns.wordpress.com/2017/02/18/anaconda-install-banners-get-a-makeover/
20:03:36 * nmilosev o/ mitzie
20:03:38 * FedoraUser just loves new banners
20:03:53 <nmilosev> Anyone else have any announcements? :)
20:04:09 <mitzie> !
20:04:14 <nmilosev> mitzie, go
20:04:50 <jwf> .hello jflory7
20:04:50 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
20:05:23 <mitzie> Actually bex send out an email earlier today, he says that because we don't have the final numbers from RH yet, the council approved every region to spend up to 10% of their last year's budget for now
20:05:28 <jwf> !
20:05:50 <mitzie> For us that's around $2000
20:05:50 <nmilosev> mitzie, I'll find the link, just give me a sec
20:05:52 <mitzie> eof
20:05:54 <lupinix> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/GICU6DIS4KK5GK3KXRPXIZU6KKODY5FG/
20:06:03 <lupinix> mitzie: this one, right?
20:06:16 <mitzie> lupinix: yes
20:06:25 <lupinix> sounds nice to me
20:06:30 <nmilosev> Thanks lupinix
20:06:37 <nmilosev> jwf, yes
20:06:45 <jwf> #info === NoMoreAlpha: Fedora 27 and beyond may not include Alpha release ===
20:06:46 <jwf> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
20:06:50 <jwf> #info Starting in Fedora 27, there may not be any more Alpha releases as part of Fedora. Instead, people who want to try the latest and greatest are encouraged to install Rawhide and use that to help test and be a part of the release testing process.
20:06:57 <jwf> <eof>
20:07:10 <nmilosev> Ah, yes the big thread in devel, about rawhide becoming alpha quality :)
20:07:25 <nmilosev> That's really interesting, thanks for that one, forgot it :)
20:07:35 <jonatoni> .hello jonatoni
20:07:36 <zodbot> jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
20:07:37 <jwf> nmilosev++ for all of the other helpful announcements :)
20:07:46 <lupinix> !
20:07:50 <nmilosev> lupinix, yes
20:08:02 <lupinix> as we migrated to pagure: thanks to all people helping with migration!
20:08:11 <lupinix> eof
20:08:15 <nmilosev> yes, mitzie == superstar :))
20:08:20 <lupinix> mitzie++
20:08:21 <zodbot> lupinix: Karma for mitzie changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:08:24 <nmilosev> mitzie++
20:08:42 <nmilosev> Okay, moving on to requests.
20:08:44 <jwf> mitzie++ for Trac=>Pagure migration! \o/
20:08:48 <nmilosev> #topic Requests
20:08:53 <jonatoni> mitzie++
20:08:53 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/group/ambassadors-emea
20:08:59 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget
20:09:04 <mitzie> Thank you all :) . I would also like to thank jflory7 and nmilosev for their help as well
20:09:08 <pkwesihanson> .fas pkwesihanson
20:09:09 <zodbot> pkwesihanson: edgates 'Elijah Hanson' <pkwesihanson@yahoo.com>
20:09:18 <nmilosev> We have some leftover requests first from last meeting
20:09:26 <nmilosev> #info Ticket #651 - T-Shirts: Fedora Proud user (for FOSDEM)
20:09:27 <jonatoni> nmilosev++ jflory7++
20:09:27 <zodbot> jonatoni: Karma for jflory7 changed to 28 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:09:33 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-emea/trac_obsolete/issue/651
20:09:55 <nmilosev> This is already payed for, but because of protocol we have to vote for it. :)
20:10:08 <nmilosev> +1 from me, FOSDEM was a great success, good job everyone
20:10:12 <lupinix> +1
20:10:15 <mitzie> +1
20:10:18 <pkwesihanson> nmilosev++ jflory7++
20:10:38 <jonatoni> +1
20:10:43 <jwf> +1 (still working on my FOSDEM report too)
20:10:44 <FedoraUser> +1
20:10:58 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #651 Approved
20:11:04 <mitzie> Thanks nmilosev
20:11:09 <nmilosev> jwf, looking forward to it :)
20:11:17 <nmilosev> #info Ticket #654 - Funding request for Fabian Affolter for CLT 2017
20:11:21 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-emea/trac_obsolete/issue/654
20:11:45 <nmilosev> We confirmed last meeting that budget is +1, any changes on that mitzie ?
20:12:02 <mitzie> +1 from me
20:12:03 <JacobCZ> hmm, I don't have access to pagure...
20:12:21 <mitzie> JacobCZ: give me your fas username, I will add you
20:12:25 <JacobCZ> jacobcz
20:12:36 <mitzie> oh, ok :) . eof
20:12:48 <nmilosev> +1 from me aswell
20:12:51 <lupinix> +1
20:13:10 <mitzie> +1
20:14:03 <jwf> +1
20:14:09 <jonatoni> +1
20:14:31 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #654 Approved
20:14:46 <nmilosev> Now, the new tickets:
20:14:51 <nmilosev> #info Ticket #1 - PyCon SK travel and lodging
20:14:55 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-emea/funding_requests/issue/1
20:15:00 <nmilosev> mhroncok, around?
20:15:34 <mhroncok> mhroncok: yep, I had meeting starting at 22:00 in my calendar sorry
20:15:40 <mhroncok> .fas churchyard
20:15:41 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
20:16:04 <nmilosev> congratulations on ticket #1 :D
20:16:11 <mhroncok> :)
20:16:56 <lupinix> nice to see the fedora python efforts :)
20:16:59 <lupinix> mhroncok++
20:16:59 <zodbot> lupinix: Karma for churchyard changed to 7 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:17:36 <nmilosev> Ticket speaks for itself, can we vote?
20:17:42 <FedoraUser> +1
20:17:43 <lupinix> +1
20:17:45 <jonatoni> +1
20:17:57 <JacobCZ> +1
20:18:01 <pkwesihanson> +1
20:18:01 <mhroncok> 0
20:18:04 <mitzie> +1
20:18:06 <nmilosev> +1 (even though you are over budget ... $0.5..)
20:18:10 <nmilosev> :)
20:18:22 <mhroncok> well actually maybe that 400 USD was form last year
20:18:23 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #1 Approved
20:18:23 <jwf> +1 with the 10% rule from Brian
20:18:29 <mhroncok> I cannot find a plan for this year
20:18:47 <nmilosev> Yeah, bexelbie sent an email earlier just so we know what to do for now :)
20:18:50 <nmilosev> Moving on
20:18:55 <mitzie> We have to make so we can allocate the budget (once we have it)
20:19:11 <nmilosev> #info Ticket #2 - Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2017 travel funding
20:19:16 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-emea/funding_requests/issue/2
20:20:46 <jwf> Seems pretty straightforward and cheap. :)
20:20:51 <FedoraUser> indeed
20:20:52 <FedoraUser> +1
20:20:56 <lupinix> +1
20:21:01 <mhroncok> 0
20:21:06 <nmilosev> +1
20:21:18 <mitzie> +1
20:21:18 <jwf> +1
20:21:30 <JacobCZ> +1
20:21:48 <jonatoni> +1
20:21:50 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #2 Approved
20:22:04 <nmilosev> Thanks everyone! So much easier when we are all here :(
20:22:06 <mhroncok> thank you
20:22:25 <nmilosev> #info Travel + accomodation for Linux Weekend in Tirana for jflory7 and ardian
20:22:34 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-emea/funding_requests/issue/3
20:22:46 <jwf> (Forgot to clarify, Ardian is traveling from Kosovo, will edit ticket to be more specific)
20:23:04 <lupinix> mhroncok: thank you ;) clt is one of the biggest FOSS events in germany so fedora representation is important (and i cannot attend :( )
20:25:08 <nmilosev> jwf, no wiki page for this event?
20:25:16 <jwf> Forgot to link it in ticket, can be found here:
20:25:17 <lupinix> jwf: can you tell us a bit more about that event later in events?
20:25:26 <jwf> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linux_Weekend%2717_in_Tirana,_Albania
20:25:36 <lupinix> thx
20:26:07 <nmilosev> wow, that's a lot of people! Excellent
20:26:10 <nmilosev> +1 from me
20:26:33 <FedoraUser> +1
20:26:40 <lupinix> many people, is that a local user group?
20:26:42 <lupinix> +1
20:27:02 <mitzie> +1
20:27:10 <mhroncok> +1
20:27:11 <jonatoni> +1
20:27:21 <jwf> 0
20:27:31 <jwf> lupinix: Most of them are local, just me and Ardian traveling in. :)
20:27:46 <lupinix> nice
20:27:47 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #3 Approved
20:28:13 <nmilosev> Seems like that's it for the tickets, thank you everyone for voting :)
20:28:23 * nmilosev is double checking if we forgot something
20:29:10 <nmilosev> Seems good! Moving on
20:29:28 <nmilosev> Oh, one last thing, again: thank you mitzie so much for the migratin to pagure!
20:29:41 <mhroncok> mitzie++
20:29:41 <zodbot> mhroncok: Karma for mitzie changed to 5 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:29:42 <nmilosev> .thank mitzie
20:29:43 <zodbot> nmilosev thinks mitzie is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to mitzie++ also)
20:29:56 <nmilosev> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:30:02 <nmilosev> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:30:31 <mitzie> I will also transfer 1 last ticket that is in the old trac to the new issue tracker. Thanks again guys
20:30:49 <rsc> .hello robert
20:30:50 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
20:31:00 <nmilosev> Regarding the schedule, we are close to the Alpha freeze.
20:31:03 * nmilosev o/ rsc
20:31:13 <jwf> !
20:31:25 <nmilosev> jwf, yes please
20:32:14 <jwf> Just as a tentative note, Marketing is hoping to have the talking points ready by the end of the month, or at least a first full draft. We're planning on changing how they are delivered, instead of specifically by edition / spin, by target audience. This is what we're hoping for, but it may not happen until Fedora 27.
20:32:21 <jwf> In either case, keep an eye out this month for them…
20:32:22 <jwf> <eof>
20:32:49 <nmilosev> That is great news, please report back :)
20:33:03 <nmilosev> Okay, moving on
20:33:09 <nmilosev> #topic Events
20:33:14 <nmilosev> Any events happening near you? Would you like to report from some event that you've been to?
20:34:26 <jwf> Nothing from me so far…
20:34:39 <jonatoni> !
20:34:45 <nmilosev> jonatoni, yes please
20:35:55 <jonatoni> On 17 February I was invited to a conference "Open Design" in Pordenone, Italy.
20:36:21 <jonatoni> I went there to talk about Fedora and how we use it at Open Labs in Albania.
20:36:33 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
20:36:34 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
20:36:53 <jonatoni> Also together with mailga we stayed at Fedora Booth during the conference.
20:36:58 <jonatoni> eof
20:37:06 <jwf> jonatoni++ mailga++
20:37:07 <FedoraUser> jonatoni++
20:37:07 <zodbot> FedoraUser: Karma for jonatoni changed to 9 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:37:10 <nmilosev> jonatoni++ that's awesome!
20:37:13 <lupinix> nice
20:37:20 <lupinix> jonatoni++
20:37:20 <zodbot> lupinix: Karma for jonatoni changed to 10 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:37:23 <lupinix> mailga++
20:37:24 <zodbot> lupinix: Karma for mailga changed to 11 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:37:32 <FedoraUser> mailga++
20:37:32 <zodbot> FedoraUser: Karma for mailga changed to 12 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:37:37 <lupinix> i still have enough cookies :D
20:37:41 <jonatoni> Thanks :)
20:37:55 * jwf seems to run out of cookies very quickly every release…
20:38:06 * nmilosev same
20:38:24 <nmilosev> Anything else regarding events?
20:38:32 <lupinix> nothing here
20:39:37 <nmilosev> #topic Action items from previous meetings
20:39:41 <nmilosev> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/emea_ambassadors/emea_ambassadors.2017-02-15-20.00.html
20:39:48 <nmilosev> #info 1. nmilosev to write to the mailing list about low ambassador presence on EMEA meetings
20:40:06 <nmilosev> So, last couple of meetings we had really small number of ambassadors present
20:40:24 <nmilosev> That's why I wanted to see, if there is a timing issue, so that we can move the meeting
20:40:46 <nmilosev> However, that seems really difficult because not everyone is on at the same time
20:41:06 <nmilosev> One idea is to move meetings to 21:00 UTC from 20:00 UTC, so one hour later
20:41:35 <mitzie> I'm ok with this
20:41:41 * jwf is flexible either way
20:41:55 <lupinix> as i wrote to list: in general fine for me. but as i'm astronomer i have to work sometimes
20:42:04 <robyduck> didn't we have a stable time at 22 CET and 22 CEST instead of UTC?
20:42:12 <JacobCZ> that seems a bit too soon for me honestly
20:42:16 <rsc> robyduck: yes.
20:42:27 <nmilosev> robyduck, that's also an option
20:42:40 <lupinix> i don't want to block anything here, because much ealier times will conflict with office/work times
20:43:17 <robyduck> I am reall ybad with timezones and switches and....I remember just 22:00 always was meeting time, but it depends on the majority
20:43:18 <nmilosev> I'm also flexible on the timing, however I don't know if moving it would yield in more ambassadors being here
20:43:23 <rsc> lupinix: same here.
20:43:30 <FedoraUser> can we put some sort of long-term vote to get as many ambassadors opinions as we can?
20:43:39 <nmilosev> Yeah, the time change bit us in the past :D
20:44:06 <nmilosev> We could vote now, or put the vote somewhere else (pagure issue?)
20:44:21 <nmilosev> So that everyone can vote, until the next meeting
20:44:28 * jwf wonders if a WhenIsGood is a helpful option
20:44:28 <mhroncok> robyduck: and that's why I wasn't here form the start
20:44:35 <rsc> Vote somewhere else, please - to catch also other people.
20:44:39 <robyduck> mhroncok: same here :)
20:44:41 <mhroncok> because I expected 22:00 CET/CEST whatever
20:44:51 <robyduck> and two times I arrived after it....lol
20:44:57 <rsc> mrunge: 21 CET, 22 CEST ;)
20:45:08 <rsc> eh mhroncok, sorry, mrunge.
20:45:11 <nmilosev> jwf, that's a good options, but we only want ambassadors to vote, maybe pagure is easier to see who voted
20:45:21 <nmilosev> jwf, and so people can explain why or why not
20:45:34 <FedoraUser> +1 to pagure
20:46:04 <nmilosev> mitzie, can we make another project in pagure, something like internal
20:46:15 <jwf> nmilosev: In the past when I've put out WhenIsGood polls, I've only had people who were intended to participate fill in info (in fact, it's hard to get responses :D ), but whatever is easiest for folks, I have no qualms
20:46:20 <nmilosev> So we can put documents, and votes in it, things like that
20:46:27 <JacobCZ> +1 for paguew
20:46:32 <JacobCZ> pagure... wow :D
20:46:38 <robyduck> nmilosev: not just explain, but you will get more people voting on it probably
20:46:54 <pkwesihanson> +1 to pagure
20:47:07 <nmilosev> We could put it in the request project, although it really doesn't have much to do with it :D
20:47:43 <nmilosev> Okay, I will figure it out with mitzie later on, and let you all know where are voting - with a ready link
20:47:43 <mitzie> We can make a new one and name "tasks"
20:48:03 <nmilosev> Oh, you are here
20:48:05 <mitzie> the NA Ambassadors have something similar I believe
20:48:10 <mitzie> yeah, sorry for the delay
20:48:11 <nmilosev> That seems excellent
20:48:38 <mitzie> cool, I can do that
20:48:44 <jwf> mitzie: We use it for all of our issues (requests and general tickets), so I think something similar could work well if we make it part of the meeting workflow
20:48:52 <mitzie> It will be private, or private?
20:49:05 <FedoraUser> :)
20:49:08 * jwf feels like public is preferred
20:49:25 <mitzie> In the new one we could have tickets for pretty much everything else (except swag and funding requests)
20:49:25 <nmilosev> It can be public, so you don't have to add everyone
20:49:36 <nmilosev> That works, right?
20:49:41 <nmilosev> mitzie, exactly
20:50:06 <mitzie> nmilosev: They would be automatically added, since all ambassadors are in the group
20:50:15 <nmilosev> Oh, that we can do it either way
20:50:42 <nmilosev> So we just need to see the options: (a) 21:00 UTC (b) 22:00 UTC (c) 22:00 CEST
20:50:45 <mitzie> I prefer to be public to be honest, but I believe that if it is public, everyone will be able to comment (even non Ambassadors)
20:51:14 <mitzie> *I prefer the repo to be set to public
20:51:26 <jwf> mitzie: In the past, it's been this way for anyone with a FAS account on Trac, as far as I'm aware.
20:51:29 * pingou notes that FAS groups aren't synced to pagure automatically
20:51:53 <mitzie> jwf: I see
20:52:14 <mitzie> I will set it to public for now
20:52:20 <jwf> Plus, every once in a while, there might be non-Ambassador but active Fedora contributors (e.g. Design or Marketing) who may comment or have input to share
20:52:40 <nmilosev> +1 for public
20:52:58 <lupinix> +1 for public
20:53:02 <jonatoni> +1 for public
20:53:03 <jwf> +1 for public
20:53:37 <robyduck> +1 public
20:53:37 <JacobCZ> +1
20:54:07 <nmilosev> mitzie, can you please write to the ML after making the repo and the ticket?
20:54:14 <mhroncok> +1 public
20:54:14 <nmilosev> and feel free to ping me if you need help :)
20:54:17 <mitzie> sure :)
20:54:27 <nmilosev> Awesome!
20:54:55 <nmilosev> #info 2. nmilosev to migrate trac to new pagure.io repository
20:55:09 <nmilosev> #info mitzie completed the migration: https://pagure.io/group/ambassadors-emea
20:55:14 <nmilosev> :)
20:55:24 <nmilosev> #topic Open Floor
20:55:28 <nmilosev> Anything goes here.
20:55:59 <lupinix> again thank you to mhroncok for his fedora python efforts!
20:56:05 <lupinix> especially https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PythonClassroomLab is a nice one
20:56:21 <lupinix> will help us to promote fedora at universities for example
20:56:23 <mhroncok> lupinix: hopefully we will make it in time
20:56:27 <jwf> mhroncok++
20:56:32 <mhroncok> should have been testavble yesterday
20:56:37 <nmilosev> Oh wow, this is really great idea!
20:56:53 <lupinix> we are moving to python here and fedora as a ready to go system is always a nice arguement
20:57:05 <lupinix> mhroncok: feel free to ping me if you need help
20:57:08 <jwf> For anyone interested in following along, here are today's FAmSCo meeting minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-03-01/famsco.2017-03-01-15.00.html
20:57:38 <mhroncok> lupinix: thanks, but now it's mostly about waiting
20:57:50 <lupinix> waiting for what?
20:58:05 <robyduck> good weather :)
20:58:07 <lupinix> :D
20:58:35 <mhroncok> releng magic to happen
20:58:44 <lupinix> composes?
20:59:05 <mhroncok> yes
20:59:17 <lupinix> that should be straight forward
20:59:26 <mitzie> #info If you have not been added to the ambassadors-emea group in pagure, ping me or someone else to add you
20:59:52 <lupinix> i'm doing the same for new lxqt spin, after push to fedora-kickstarts and filing a ticket @releng pagure builds where available at next day
21:02:13 <robyduck> nmilosev: did you already mention the 10% budget spending?
21:02:23 <nmilosev> robyduck, yes in the announcements
21:02:57 <robyduck> ok, sorry, I was late today and didn't see that. Thanks
21:03:14 <lupinix> one other thing (for FAmSCo members): can you write some announcement/statement on vacant seat story? some people are still waiting for something official to know what was going on
21:03:16 <lupinix> thanks :)
21:03:40 <lupinix> or is there something and i missed it?
21:04:09 <robyduck> I think we did that already.
21:04:31 <lupinix> where?
21:04:46 <robyduck> in our request on the ML
21:05:02 <robyduck> s/our/your
21:06:12 <lupinix> hmm, i don't find a mail (looking for something after last weeks famsco meeting)
21:06:38 <lupinix> well, I know the result as i followed the famsco meeting. but some people are asking
21:07:13 <lupinix> also to have a final end of that story
21:07:27 <robyduck> it's all there, all the sources, decisions, and reasons. I think we should move forward instead of going back to something which has been already beaten to death.
21:08:35 <lupinix> i know, my idea was some short statement. but that's up to FAmSCo
21:09:19 <robyduck> lupinix: can you tell me for what? To have another 20 posts ML discussion afterwards?
21:10:29 <lupinix> to avoid the thing that some people think FAmSCo hides things (yes, i know everything is open)… i discussed that on mailing list, it's just an idea to demonstrate "we are open and hide nothing"
21:10:44 <lupinix> but as i said, up to FAmSCo
21:10:45 <lupinix> eof
21:11:56 <robyduck> lupinix: people who think that will not change their mind even if we write a book on that.
21:12:28 <robyduck> but we are bocking a meeting here
21:12:34 <robyduck> blocking*
21:13:42 <nmilosev> If everyone agrees, I will end the meeting in three (3) minutes. Feel free to continue the discussion afterwards. :)
21:13:58 <FedoraUser> nmilosev thanks for chairing
21:14:01 <FedoraUser> nmilosev++
21:14:05 <robyduck> thanks nmilosev
21:14:08 <lupinix> nmilosev++
21:14:13 <robyduck> nmilosev++
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21:14:14 <nmilosev> Pleasure talking to you all, as always! And I hope we are all always here like this :)
21:14:21 <lupinix> now i'm out of cookies :D
21:14:27 <lupinix> .thank nmilosev
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21:15:59 <lupinix> good night everyone :)
21:16:44 <nmilosev> #endmeeting