20:00:00 <nmilosev> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2016-02-01
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20:00:05 <nmilosev> #meetingname emea_ambassadors
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20:00:09 <nmilosev> #topic Roll Call
20:00:16 <nmilosev> .fas nmilosev
20:00:17 <zodbot> nmilosev: nmilosev 'Nemanja Milosevic' <nmilosevnm@gmail.com>
20:00:24 <lupinix> .hello lupinix
20:00:25 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix@mailbox.org>
20:02:00 <nmilosev> Hello everyone and welcome to another regular meeting for the EMEA region. Let's wait a couple of minutes for others to show up.
20:02:07 <nmilosev> Please note the meeting protocol is in order: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC#Meeting_Protocol
20:02:08 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
20:02:09 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
20:02:15 * nmilosev o/ jflory7
20:02:38 * jflory7 is happy to be participating in his first EMEA meeting from EMEA :)
20:02:47 <JacobCZ> .fas jacobcz
20:02:48 <zodbot> JacobCZ: jacobcz 'Jakub Sycha' <jakubsycha@gmail.com>
20:03:15 <JacobCZ> jflory7: haha
20:03:35 <jonatoni_> .fas jonatoni
20:03:35 <zodbot> jonatoni_: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
20:03:59 <JacobCZ> jonatoni_: o/
20:04:18 * jflory7 waves to jonatoni_
20:04:22 <lupinix> good evening everyone :)
20:04:33 <jonatoni_> JacobCZ: \o
20:05:04 <nmilosev> #topic Announcements
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20:05:50 <nmilosev> #info opensource.com 2017 People's Choice Awards
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20:06:03 <nmilosev> I know who I'm voting for :)
20:06:20 <nmilosev> Anyone else have any announcements?
20:06:20 <jflory7> :)
20:06:22 <jflory7> !
20:06:26 <nmilosev> jflory7, go
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20:06:51 <jflory7> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ECZ43UFPJCQRR7ZB6D6H2FPEPZGJBJ4L/
20:07:23 <jflory7> <eof>
20:08:33 <nmilosev> Thanks jflory7, missed that one
20:08:39 <nmilosev> Okay, lets move on
20:08:46 <nmilosev> #topic Requests
20:08:50 <nmilosev> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=created&asc=0&page=1
20:08:55 <nmilosev> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget
20:08:59 <nmilosev> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget
20:09:35 <nmilosev> #info Ticket #652 - Funding Request for Jona Azizaj - PyCon SK 2017
20:09:39 <nmilosev> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652
20:09:49 <nmilosev> Please review the ticket
20:10:47 <jonatoni_> If someone has a question I'm here to answer :P
20:11:04 <nmilosev> mitzie isn't around, last year the budget was $400
20:11:11 <nmilosev> So I think we are ok for budget
20:11:13 * jflory7 waits for FAS to log in... waiting
20:11:49 <jflory7> This is also in FY18
20:12:02 <nmilosev> Yes, any link for fy18 budget?
20:12:05 <jflory7> So it would be coming from the Q1 budget
20:12:26 <jflory7> nmilosev: I don't think so yet. bexelbie might have an idea on when that could be, if he is around.
20:13:31 <lupinix> would be nice to have some info @budget here
20:13:42 <nmilosev> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/EventPlan:2017
20:14:26 <Kohane> Hi!
20:14:31 <Kohane> .fas lailah
20:14:32 <zodbot> Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' <BHKohane@gmail.com>
20:14:35 <nmilosev> So, FY17 is until the _end_ of February, but this event is in March, so it should come from the next years budget, if I understand it correctly
20:14:41 * nmilosev o/ Kohane
20:14:48 <jonatoni_> Yes nmilosev
20:15:05 * Kohane o/ nmilosev
20:15:06 <nmilosev> Let's just vote, and mitzie will check if budget is fine. I think it is fine, budget-wise
20:15:11 <nmilosev> +1 from me
20:15:27 <JacobCZ> Should be fine...
20:15:27 <JacobCZ> +1
20:16:04 <Kohane> I can't vote, I came to let to know what is this about. I'm sorry.
20:16:21 <nmilosev> Why you can't vote?
20:16:30 * gnokii just wondering in former times it was custom to hear the event owner first I mean 260 out of a 400 budget....
20:17:08 <nmilosev> gnokii, you are probably right actually
20:17:17 <nmilosev> Looks like mhroncok is the owner
20:17:26 <nmilosev> Or he was at least, last year
20:17:28 <gnokii> and out of 400$ not Euro
20:17:59 <lupinix> maybe we should delay this to next meeting to get more info @budget etc,?
20:18:45 <Kohane> nmilosev: I can't find the link, I don't know what are we discussing. Besides that is related to budget
20:19:00 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: I've pinged hroncok on telegram...
20:19:05 <jonatoni> I have talked with mitzie
20:19:06 <lupinix> Kohane: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652
20:19:24 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: He's not able to join us today
20:19:24 <jonatoni> And he said that he is okay, and he can comment later on the ticket
20:19:43 <jflory7> Sorry, lost connection – missed past 5-10 minutes of discussion
20:19:44 <jonatoni> Besides, we don't have the numbers yet for next year
20:20:12 <Kohane> lupinix: Thanks galore!
20:20:25 <nmilosev> jonatoni, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what to in this kind of situation. We didn't get confirmation from mitzie as we usually do on the budget
20:20:59 <lupinix> nmilosev: thats why i tend to move the voting to next meeting
20:21:01 <nmilosev> And gnokii also has a point in contacting mhroncok (who I am sure will agree)
20:21:27 <nmilosev> I wanted to vote now, and CC to mhroncok, mitzie on the trac before the final agreement
20:21:31 <jonatoni> I've talked also with Miro, but yeah we can discuss about this at our next meeting
20:21:38 <nmilosev> So they can confirm it's all ok
20:21:38 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: I've just talked to mhroncok, he said he doesn't know much, but there probably won't be enough budget available
20:22:05 <nmilosev> JacobCZ, thank you
20:22:11 <jflory7> ?
20:22:21 <nmilosev> jflory7, yes
20:22:27 * gnokii is again wondering why here everybody says something different what mhroncok said for me he siad nothing not in ticket nor meeting
20:22:54 <JacobCZ> gnokii: I've just talked to him like 30 seconds ago
20:22:57 <Kohane> I have no idea, I'm totally confused
20:23:38 <nmilosev> Yes this is all very confusing, without mitzie and mhroncok
20:23:49 <nmilosev> Let's postpone this for the next meeting, agreed?
20:23:57 <Kohane> lupinix: why you sent me a link to jonatoni's ticket while we're discussing something related to mhroncok?
20:24:01 <jonatoni> Let's discuss about this next week
20:24:05 <Kohane> Yes, it's better.
20:24:07 <lupinix> nmilosev: +1 @postpone
20:24:13 <nmilosev> Kohane, it's mhroncok's event
20:24:18 <Kohane> Ah
20:24:20 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: mhroncok wants me to let you know that the budget will not be available for Jona for PyCon SK
20:24:20 <lupinix> Kohane: we are talking about jonatoni's ticket
20:24:24 <Kohane> Now I get it
20:24:36 <Kohane> Okay, sorry, I came too late
20:25:17 <nmilosev> JacobCZ, thank you for this information, I will contact both mhroncok and mitzie on the trac to get the final say
20:25:27 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: sure
20:25:30 <JacobCZ> Sorry jonatoni :/
20:25:42 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:25:42 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <mitzie@mitzelos.com>
20:25:48 <mitzie> Sorry for the delay!
20:25:59 <nmilosev> mitzie, Ticket #652
20:26:07 <nmilosev> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652
20:26:53 <mitzie> I talked to Jona and I told her that it's ok. Besides, we don;t have the numbers for next year
20:27:16 <nmilosev> mitzie, did you check with mhroncok?
20:27:21 <nmilosev> (event owner)
20:27:26 <mitzie> nmilosev: no
20:27:31 <nmilosev> Budget last year was $400
20:27:38 <nmilosev> and the ticket is for EUR260
20:27:52 <nmilosev> ~$280
20:27:58 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: Hroncok told me a few minutes ago that the budget will not be able to cover this
20:28:18 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: sorry, meant for mitzie
20:28:18 <mitzie> We can raise the budget if needed
20:28:30 <lupinix> mitzie: do you know when we'll have the numbers for FY2018?
20:28:57 <mitzie> The numbers need to be decided by the Council
20:29:01 <lupinix> how can we raise the budget when we do not know how much we have?
20:29:12 <mitzie> I think Bex told me that we are aiming for March
20:29:47 <Kohane> Yeah, but still... we don't know.
20:29:48 <mitzie> lupinix: you are right
20:30:19 <nmilosev> Okay, I think the best course of action is to postpone and for jonatoni to check with mhroncok, on the trac
20:30:28 <nmilosev> So we have a clearer sitation
20:30:48 <mitzie> But for events like these when the budget is 200-300 EUR for travel, it's safe to approve the request.
20:30:59 <jonatoni> My only concern is that flight tickets change their price really fast, and we are really near march
20:31:21 <jflory7> Ugh, have a poor connection so it's difficult for me to follow… the question I wanted to ask earlier is if we have any other events lined up for Q1 of FY18?
20:31:55 <jonatoni> And I need to give an answer to the organizers if I will go or no
20:32:06 <mitzie> We always end up with cancelled events, and we end up having some money left at the end of the quarter.
20:32:23 <nmilosev> mitzie, the other issue is that this is more than half a budget of this event, without mhroncok to confirm that it is ok
20:32:44 <nmilosev> And the last info we have is that he said the budget won't cover it :/
20:32:51 <gnokii> thats not half thats 3/4
20:33:34 <mitzie> is bexelbie around?
20:33:45 <mitzie> nmilosev: That was for last year
20:33:47 <Kohane> No, I think he's offline
20:33:48 <jflory7> mitzie: I have him on Telegram now, he's traveling for FOSDEM this weekend right now
20:34:27 <mitzie> We adjust the allocated budget for each event every year, according to what we spend for this specific event in the previous year
20:34:35 <nmilosev> If you think the budget is fine, we can vote. But I think it would be best to postpone until we get confirmation from mhroncok, yes?
20:34:36 <mitzie> jflory7: oh, I see
20:34:38 <jflory7> Question: Do we have any other events lined up for Q1 already?
20:34:51 <JacobCZ> I agree, let's postpone this
20:35:13 <mitzie> jflory7: Actually we haven't created an event plan yet, so we don't actually know yet
20:35:25 <nmilosev> jflory7, judging by last year report (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2017#Q1_.28March_-_May_2016.29), yes
20:35:35 <jonatoni> Just found a cheaper option, is approximately 200 EUR. I will update also my ticket.
20:35:44 <jonatoni> or even less
20:35:50 <Kohane> +1 to postpone.
20:35:53 <jflory7> Brian passes on the following: think about what you want to do, but focus on Q1 and be ready to talk with Brian. Assume we'll get what we had last year, but it may not happen. He strongly recommends choosing events based on impact and value.
20:36:21 <jonatoni> lets postpone please
20:36:29 <nmilosev> Okay, let's postpone
20:36:33 <jonatoni> so we can talk also with Brian
20:36:49 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #652 Postponed
20:37:09 <nmilosev> #action jonatoni to contact mhroncok, bexelbie regarding the budget for this
20:38:24 <nmilosev> When we have confirmation from mhroncok/bexelbie that the budget is ok, we can vote
20:38:37 <nmilosev> jonatoni, please try to see if there are cheaper options available
20:38:49 <mitzie> Anyway, although I believe that for 200 or 300 EUR its ok to approve requests, even if we don't have the exact numbers for Q1. We were in the same situation last year, when we were transitioning from fiscal 16 to fiscal 17
20:38:50 <jonatoni> yes sure
20:39:31 <mitzie> **for 200-300 EUR more compared to last year's budget for this event
20:39:32 <mitzie> eof
20:40:12 <nmilosev> mitzie, the bigger issue here is that if the budget for an event (which covers more than just travels) is spent entirely without the event owner agreeing
20:40:30 <Kohane> Is there a wiki to know what are the events planned for this year?
20:40:44 <nmilosev> Kohane, not yet I think
20:40:51 <Kohane> Uhm...
20:40:53 <mitzie> Yeah but neither the event organizer (or me) knows the exact number
20:41:07 <jflory7> I know there's a lot of floating discussion, but I would encourage this to be reviewed quickly by the event organizer to approve, as I really don't know when we're going to get budget for this FY
20:41:07 <Kohane> (0_0)
20:41:23 * gnokii in former times there was event pages for the planning so each event owner was already knowing who wants to come and figured out already if that can be done inside the budget
20:41:44 <jflory7> I think if waiting to get numbers is the concern, we're going to keep waiting - I really, really think we should be voting on this based on whether we think this is an event where will have an impact on the local community in the area
20:41:59 <mitzie> +1 with jflory7
20:42:31 <jflory7> My connection keeps dying so I'm having a hard time keeping up, but I strongly encourage this to be resolved before the next meeting before travel costs grow and it cuts more into the future budget
20:42:49 <gnokii> jflory: its not about waiting its about spending 300$ for a budgeted event of 400$ without any knowledge of the event owner
20:42:52 <nmilosev> I agree also, but it's difficult to vote without the event owner here
20:42:59 * Kohane cleaning her glasses
20:43:05 <nmilosev> If you think we should vote, it's easy to undo :)
20:43:27 <jflory7> nmilosev: Right, this is what I'm getting at – I would rather us vote, then have mhroncok +1, and then jonatoni can book her plane ticket quickly
20:43:44 <jflory7> Instead of waiting for mhroncok, then waiting for EMEA to vote again, and then plane tickets rising
20:44:10 <jflory7> If mhroncok gives a -1, then it's easy to undo
20:44:19 <mitzie> Besides, when we get the numbers, we will allocate the necessary money for this event, so there won't be any problem (Jona is speaking at the conference, she is not just staying at the booth). Plus, we always end up with cancelled events at the end of the quarter, so there won't be a problem for other events
20:44:34 <nmilosev> Okay, let's vote for ticket #652 (with regard that mhroncok must approve on the ticket)
20:44:43 <mitzie> cancelled events = unused money
20:44:58 <gnokii> jflory: this is not about raising flight prices
20:44:59 <lupinix> sorry, things are to unclear to me here…
20:45:01 <jflory7> +1 for tentatively approving this event dependent on mhroncok's vote
20:45:54 <mitzie> gnokii: the event is in March, tickets in the last 3-4 weeks tend to rise a lot
20:46:11 <mitzie> +1
20:46:20 <gnokii> mitzie: if I look right now I find a lot cheaper flights
20:46:23 <lupinix> -1 as we should postpone to have feedback from event owner to be able to discuss this with some background info…
20:46:29 <rsc> -1 for the same reason
20:46:37 <gnokii> its simple about cooperation
20:46:44 <gnokii> not about flight prices
20:46:46 <rsc> And increasing ticket prices are IMHO not an argument, they are always increasing.
20:46:55 <JacobCZ> I would prefer not to vote on this one until hroncok gives it a go
20:47:00 <Kohane> -1 we should wait
20:47:06 <jflory7> gnokii: Right, I understand and follow, but my concern is that it doesn't make sense for us to delay the event by *first* waiting for mhroncok, *then* waiting two weeks for the next EMEA meeting to vote on it. I'd rather us vote based on the knowledge we have now, then have mhroncok review, and his vote would be the determining factor.
20:47:21 <gnokii> jlory the solution is simple
20:47:59 <lupinix> jflory7: i think mhroncok can give info for us so we can vote in 2 weeks from now
20:48:04 <jflory7> Like nmilosev said, the vote can always be undone, but if mhroncok +1's tomorrow, then I think we should go ahead and move forward with making purchases and also so jonatoni can confirm her speaking arrangement. If the vote is -1, I won't push further, but I wanted to say this earlier but had issues with my connection
20:48:28 <jflory7> <eof>
20:48:54 <nmilosev> How about, if jonatoni gets approval from mhroncok, a FAmSco member can approve sooner so we don't lose time. Is that a possibility?
20:49:02 <gnokii> jflory: and if we bellieve what JacobCZ said, he says he cant make that out of a 400$ budget
20:49:37 <Kohane> Yes, I think is a reasonable compromise, nmilosev
20:49:51 <jonatoni> I talked with Miro, he will talk with mitzie and will reply later on the ticket
20:50:23 <jflory7> gnokii: Right, so then mhroncok can -1 and nothing will happen
20:50:48 <gnokii> exactly
20:51:00 <nmilosev> Okay, let me just clear this up, please
20:51:05 <jflory7> I feel like we're arguing in agreement.
20:51:21 <nmilosev> (a) we vote now, mhroncok gives +1 or -1 and the ticket is resolved
20:51:33 <mitzie> What I'm trying to say is that the event owner at the moment doesn't have any more information about the budget than we do. Miro can give a -1 for other reasons (being an event owner) but not because the budget is unclear yet. Like I said, we will allocate more money to this event when the final numbers come, and it won't be an issue (as we end up with
20:51:33 <mitzie> unused funds at the end)
20:51:36 <mitzie> eof
20:51:40 <nmilosev> (b) we don't vote now, mhroncok gives +1 or -1, FAmSco member approves
20:51:51 <mitzie> *sorry for typing slowly today
20:52:21 <jflory7> nmilosev: I opt for option (a)
20:52:43 <mitzie> a
20:53:04 <nmilosev> we also have (c) we don't vote now, mhroncok gives approval, we vote next meeting
20:53:13 <gnokii> mitzie we had that since fedora existed and there is a clear saying about this situation go ahead as planned
20:53:14 <nmilosev> please vote a, b, or c
20:53:16 <lupinix> c
20:53:17 <JacobCZ> c
20:53:18 <rsc> c
20:53:44 <nmilosev> others?
20:53:57 <Kohane> b
20:55:36 <nmilosev> Okay, so we postpone as we initially wanted.
20:55:50 <Kohane> okay
20:56:13 <JacobCZ> agreed
20:56:19 <mitzie> Like jflory said, it's pointless to vote again in 2 weeks (or wait for another Famsco member to approve the ticket). Anyway, a vote is a vote, and I respect that. Thank you all
20:57:08 <nmilosev> We don't have any other tickets.
20:57:32 <nmilosev> jonatoni, please contact mhroncok, and we vote in two weeks.
20:57:52 <nmilosev> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:57:58 <nmilosev> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:58:04 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: You have a wrong year in the topic just btw...
20:58:19 <Kohane> True, I didn't notice
20:58:26 <nmilosev> Well, that sucks
20:58:39 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: can you change it?
20:58:41 <jflory7> #meetingtopic EMEA ambassadors 2017-02-01
20:58:41 <nmilosev> Does anyone know if I can change it midway?
20:58:47 <jflory7> nmilosev: ^^ that will fix :)
20:58:53 <nmilosev> #meetingtopic EMEA ambassadors 2017-02-01
20:58:57 <nmilosev> Thanks
20:59:00 <jflory7> Yup!
20:59:01 <mitzie> nmilosev: We can't vote in the next meeting, this will eventually be approved by Famsco. It will be too late by then.
20:59:01 <JacobCZ> nice :D
20:59:37 <nmilosev> mitzie, I'm really unsure how to handle a situation like this.
20:59:43 <lupinix> mitzie: why can't we vote @next meeting
21:00:00 <nmilosev> I think it's not too late to vote on Feb 15th
21:00:09 <mitzie> The event is in March 10, next meeting is in ~Feb 15. The tickets will have skyrocketed by then
21:00:25 <mitzie> Anyway
21:00:32 <Kohane> Are we still discussing the same topic?
21:00:39 <lupinix> Kohane: yes…
21:00:41 <rsc> mitzie: if you would have sorted out this like a month ago, the tickets would have been even cheaper, I would assume.
21:01:35 <mitzie> rsc: sure, but I couldn't have sorted this earlier. I'm not the one asking for money :)
21:02:15 <Kohane> Oh, gosh...
21:02:25 <nmilosev> Let's leave this for the open floor, keep to the topic please.
21:02:27 <mitzie> So I couldn't have known about Jona's request. Anyway, let's end this discussion
21:02:35 <jflory7> I think the idea that mitzie and I are trying to suggest to that is that whichever way we choose, we get the end result, and mhroncok has the final say as the event owner. Us voting now, then getting mhroncok's vote, saves us money on ticket and confirms the speaking arrangement. We can vote next meeting, after getting mhroncok's vote, and then go through the same thing in two weeks.
21:02:43 <b10n1k> .fas b10n1k
21:02:43 <zodbot> b10n1k: b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' <jbonatakis@gmail.com> - jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' <california17@gmail.com>
21:02:49 <jflory7> Sorry, yes, nmilosev
21:03:08 * jflory7 waves to b10n1k
21:03:08 <nmilosev> We will discuss this on the open floor
21:03:09 <jonatoni> rsc at the moment that they approved my talk I opened my ticket
21:03:11 <gnokii> jlory that is not was mitzie here is talking he just laments on flight prices
21:03:26 <nmilosev> Please, let's continue
21:03:30 <nmilosev> #topic Events
21:03:43 <nmilosev> Any events happening near you? Would you like to report from some event that you've been to?
21:03:51 <JacobCZ> !
21:03:58 <nmilosev> JacobCZ, yes please
21:05:11 <JacobCZ> I just wanted to say, that DevConf CZ was amazing, thank all of you who did for coming! The swag we had at the Fedora booth was quickly gone (gloves, stickers, pens ,DVDs and some other things).
21:05:14 <JacobCZ> eof
21:05:44 <nmilosev> I have to agree, had a great time at DevConf :)
21:05:57 <JacobCZ> jflory7: I assume you liked it too? :D
21:07:13 <jflory7> JacobCZ++ Yes, DevConf was excellent :)
21:07:13 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for jacobcz changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:07:31 <nmilosev> Anyone has something to add?
21:07:55 * jflory7 is keeping an eye out for any FOSS events in Dubrovnik (or might try organizing something small)
21:08:12 <nmilosev> Keep us posted! :)
21:08:16 <nmilosev> Okay, moving on
21:08:16 <mitzie> !
21:08:18 <JacobCZ> jflory7: that would be nice...
21:08:20 <nmilosev> oh, sorry
21:08:22 <nmilosev> mitzie, yes
21:08:24 <mitzie> Fosdem is this week :)
21:08:48 <jflory7> fosdem++
21:09:09 <nmilosev> Yes, have fun at Fosdem everyone! :)
21:09:12 <lupinix> have a nice trip @fosdem!
21:09:15 <mitzie> We will have a big booth with a lot of Swag to give away. Also some Fedora contributors are speakers
21:09:27 <jflory7> ! (re: mitzie)
21:09:30 * lupinix cannot attend "thanks" to university
21:09:36 <mitzie> Like jflory7 :)
21:09:40 <nmilosev> jflory7, yes
21:10:13 <jflory7> #info With FOSDEM coming this week, there will be a post coming on the Fedora Community Blog highlighting all 20+ Fedora speakers at FOSDEM - keep an eye out on the Community Blog to see who will be speaking from the Fedora community in Brussels!
21:10:20 <jflory7> <eof>
21:10:35 <nmilosev> Awesome! jflory7, do we have a list of Fedora speakers/talks?
21:10:45 <nmilosev> Or is that gonna be on the blog?
21:10:58 <jflory7> nmilosev: Well, I can give you the quick one, actually - but it will be on the blog. But we may as well work with what we have. One second...
21:11:25 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/98#comment-71225
21:11:31 <giannisk> .fas giannisk
21:11:32 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc>
21:11:35 * giannisk waves at everyone.
21:11:36 <jflory7> 22 speakers in total... :)
21:11:41 * jflory7 also waves to giannisk
21:11:52 * Kohane also waves
21:11:59 <JacobCZ> giannisk: o/
21:12:06 <nmilosev> This is great, jflory7++
21:12:10 <mitzie> jflory7++
21:12:10 <zodbot> mitzie: Karma for jflory7 changed to 22 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:12:14 <mitzie> That's great
21:12:22 * nmilosev o/ giannisk
21:12:37 <lupinix> hi giannisk :)
21:12:41 <jflory7> A pretty version will still be coming on the CommBlog, so keep an eye out for that, along with info on locations and times for all talks... ;)
21:12:42 <jflory7> <eof>
21:13:05 <nmilosev> That's excellent news, keep us posted! :)
21:13:15 <nmilosev> Okay, any other news regarding events?
21:14:13 <nmilosev> #topic Action items from previous meetings
21:14:22 <nmilosev> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/emea_ambassadors/emea_ambassadors.2017-01-18-20.00.html
21:14:27 <nmilosev> #info 1. mitzie to contact sesivany about producing Fedora DVD sleeves
21:14:43 <nmilosev> I completely forgot to talk about this to sesivany :(
21:15:00 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: I have him on Telegram, should I ping him about it?
21:15:02 <nmilosev> I think we should bring it up sometime near F26 release
21:15:26 <nmilosev> JacobCZ, if you are familiar with the subject you can contact him.
21:15:45 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: sure, only one detail, are we talking F26 or 25?
21:16:05 <nmilosev> I'm not gonna extend the action, please remember to bring this up when we see the direction of the media production in the future.
21:16:10 <nmilosev> JacobCZ, it's for F26
21:16:16 <JacobCZ> nmilosev: k
21:16:28 <nmilosev> #topic Open Floor
21:16:33 <nmilosev> Anything goes here.
21:16:44 <nmilosev> mitzie, you still here?
21:17:11 <mitzie> yes nmilosev
21:17:37 <nmilosev> Can we please discuss the budget issues we are having.
21:17:50 <nmilosev> It's going to be difficult every new FY
21:17:58 <nmilosev> Any solutions for this?
21:18:01 <jflory7> !
21:18:11 <nmilosev> jflory7, feel free to jump in anytime
21:18:45 <jflory7> Okay, I just wanted to say a thing about event planning in this in-between period with the fiscal year and what Brian advised me
21:20:48 <jflory7> Right now, there is no definite time frame for when we will be handed the budget for this year. Brian said it is reasonable to expect the same funds as we had last year, but it isn't a guarantee. With that in mind, events we are planning right now should be voted on based on the perceived impact we will have at those events and location. So, for the earlier ticket, I think it is reasonable for us, as EMEA, to vote on the prior ticket based on
21:20:48 <jflory7> the *impact* we will have on the event, and then defer the final, concluding vote to mhroncok. This method gives us the same end result where mhroncok has the closing vote on the matter, as the event owner, but if he says yes tomorrow morning, then we can quickly move forward on making travel arrangements and confirming a Fedora speaker presence at the event.
21:21:10 <jflory7> Whichever way we go, we are getting the same *end result* of the impact at the event. The difference is that one method could save potentially two weeks, or two days.
21:21:44 <jflory7> mhroncok is not having his role as event owner compromised in any way by us deciding to approve the ticket based on the information we have *now*.
21:22:24 <jflory7> But given the choice between two days and two weeks, it would make more sense to opt for the method that most quickly lets us move forward on this event, and allows us to also potentially save money in travel costs for this event.
21:22:43 <mitzie> +1
21:22:53 <jflory7> I would like to propose that we do vote on the ticket tonight, and then leave the final, concluding vote to mhroncok, so if he replies tomorrow, we can move forward with the event without delaying two weeks.
21:22:54 <jflory7> <eof>
21:24:32 <nmilosev> I agree, but I also think that in the future it's much better to ask the event owner about the budget/plans in advance :(
21:24:51 <gnokii> nmilosev: +
21:25:04 <jflory7> nmilosev: I also agree, but I also understand Jona's position in that she filed the ticket as soon as she received confirmation she was a speaker.
21:25:22 <lupinix> yes, event owner was my main concern here especially after comment from JacobCZ
21:25:38 <jflory7> It just so happened we got that news about the speaking arrangement at a time that made it a tight fit for our meeting slot.
21:25:41 <nmilosev> jflory7, yes, conferences tend to let speakers know way too late about being accepted
21:26:06 <jflory7> But given the choice that we have now to potentially save two weeks on the booking process, I really do feel we should cast a vote tonight.
21:26:08 <Kohane> And what about voting this as an exception because we're short of time but strongly highlighting that is a rare exception? Maybe we can add a line somewhere with a warning for similar cases?
21:26:17 <gnokii> jflory7: I can show you some event pages from emea there is not known if the submitters become speaker but the event owner knows it
21:26:43 <giannisk> What kind of ticket are we talking about? Can you please fill me in? :)
21:26:57 <nmilosev> giannisk, ticket is #652
21:27:06 * giannisk is checking.
21:27:09 <jflory7> gnokii: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I really do think we are both in agreement here.
21:27:09 <nmilosev> https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652
21:27:10 <jflory7> giannisk: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652
21:27:43 <gnokii> jflory7: I mean you can tell the event owner when you submit
21:27:48 <jflory7> gnokii: I'm referring to making the best choice that we can based on the information we have now.
21:27:49 <giannisk> Thanks fellas, so what's the problem here?
21:28:22 <nmilosev> giannisk, to keep it short
21:28:36 <nmilosev> We don't know the budget (transitioning period FY2018)
21:28:37 <jflory7> I would just like for us to put this ticket to vote tonight, with the tentative agreement that the end result is dependent on mhroncok's vote in the ticket.
21:28:53 <nmilosev> Event owner (mhroncok) didn't confirm the budget
21:29:14 <nmilosev> Also, we have information that it probably won't be enough (from JacobCZ)
21:29:17 <giannisk> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PyCon_SK_2017
21:29:35 <giannisk> Is mhroncok the event owner? I see only jonatoni on that wiki page.
21:30:25 <nmilosev> He was last year.
21:30:28 <jflory7> giannisk: He is. There was an earlier context where he had told someone on Telegram that he would not have the budget for another person to attend, but this is without the context of the budget discussion we had in the meeting.
21:30:52 <nmilosev> ^ and that's why we postponed
21:31:02 <jflory7> The case I am making is that we vote now, mhroncok has a chance to read the logs and see what we discussed, and then put his vote in the ticket.
21:31:11 <JacobCZ> Shall we vote one more time than?
21:31:17 <JacobCZ> (a) Postpone
21:31:18 <jflory7> The alternative is delaying our vote, waiting for mhroncok, and then we vote on 15 Feb.
21:31:23 <JacobCZ> (b) Vote now
21:31:39 <lupinix> not again… we already had this…
21:31:46 <jflory7> b, still in the context that mhroncok puts final vote in the ticket...
21:32:00 <JacobCZ> a
21:32:01 <giannisk> I get the feeling that we tend to make things a bit more complicated than necessary.
21:32:02 <jonatoni> fyi I have commented again at the ticket, updating the amount that I'm requesting
21:32:04 <jflory7> lupinix: The thing I'm trying to prevent here is waiting two weeks on booking a ticket and confirming a speaking engagement when we don't have to.
21:32:07 <nmilosev> giannisk, :D yes
21:32:20 <lupinix> jflory7: yes but we already voted
21:32:23 <jflory7> The *end result* we get is the same, pending mhroncok's vote.
21:32:41 <giannisk> So, mhroncok is the event owner? But he's not on the wiki page. And I don't see any other funding requests for that event, either?
21:32:51 <nmilosev> jflory7, but we are now voting without knowing what mhroncok (who is important for this event) has to say about it :(
21:32:54 <giannisk> How come we don't have enough money for the event?
21:32:57 <jflory7> lupinix: Yes, I do understand, but given the choice to save two weeks in travel arrangements and promoting a Fedora presence, what do we do if he votes +1 in the ticket tomorrow?
21:33:22 <jflory7> nmilosev: Like it was said earlier, if he is -1, then we don't purchase travel and wait for the next meeting to figure things out.
21:33:32 <jflory7> nmilosev: The end result is the same.
21:34:03 <giannisk> I say we review this request normally, then mitzie, bexelbie and the rest of FAmSCo sort out the budget thing during FOSDEM this weekend.
21:34:28 <nmilosev> Can we vote in the trac, it's easier?
21:34:29 <giannisk> If approved, jonatoni won't book flights immediately until this gets sorted this weekend.
21:34:41 <giannisk> nmilosev: We can vote right now
21:34:54 <giannisk> I just don't want to make a person wait for another 2 weeks for no reason
21:35:06 <nmilosev> giannisk, we voted on should we vote, and most said postpone :(
21:35:18 <giannisk> Flight prices can go up at any time and the event is soon going to happen.
21:35:25 * Rhea waves
21:35:28 <giannisk> nmilosev: Okay then, the people have spoken :)
21:35:31 <gnokii> blabla blabla
21:35:39 * JacobCZ yawns
21:35:39 <giannisk> gnokii: Got anyting to offer?
21:35:42 * nmilosev \o/ Rhea
21:35:43 <Rhea> Blabla blabla yourself my dear child.
21:35:55 <gnokii> sure we had bets what you will do
21:36:09 <giannisk> gnokii: You like betting, ah?
21:36:09 <gnokii> and it turned out exactly as said
21:36:17 <giannisk> gnokii: Nice, how much did you win?
21:36:23 <jflory7> I would like to know why we should postpone voting if mhroncok's vote is still valid either way.
21:36:33 <giannisk> nmilosev: Okay, let's postpone :) People voted :)
21:37:05 <nmilosev> jflory7, I think the point is, mhroncok vote comes before all ours, if he votes -1 there is no point in us voting?
21:37:07 <gnokii> the point is not the budget sorting out, the point is spending 3/4 of the planned budget for one person without the event owner agreeing
21:37:38 <jflory7> nmilosev: But... if he +1's tomorrow morning, then we wait two weeks and lose money on the flight and also an opportunity to promote a Fedora presence at the event ahead of time?
21:37:42 <jonatoni> gnokii is not 3/4 og the budget, check the ticket again :)
21:37:54 <jonatoni> of*
21:37:54 <nmilosev> jflory7, I know :(
21:37:59 <JacobCZ> jflory7: according to what i've been told, I doubt he will +1 it...
21:38:01 <gnokii> no 260EUR are how many $?
21:38:02 <JacobCZ> just for the record
21:38:22 <jflory7> I am *emphasizing* that the purpose of voting now is to save time and actual money in the event of a +1.
21:39:03 <mitzie> jflory7: exactly
21:39:05 <jflory7> JacobCZ: I understand, but mhroncok has also missed the entire discussion about budget we had during this meeting. I am not sure if he is aware of the delay that there will be in receiving a FY budget
21:39:16 <giannisk> Guys, guys, guys
21:39:25 <giannisk> Should we not over-complicate this?
21:39:41 <giannisk> Let's figure this out during this weekend, at FOSDEM.
21:39:45 <giannisk> That's in two days
21:39:48 <JacobCZ> giannisk: +1
21:40:30 <giannisk> jonatoni, mitzie, bexelbie and I (and perhaps mhroncok?) will be there
21:40:37 <giannisk> No need to make a big deal out of this
21:41:20 <b10n1k> +1
21:41:39 <giannisk> If the budget looks okay and there aren't any blockers, then the request gets approved by FAmSCo.
21:41:45 <giannisk> Does everyone agree to that?
21:41:50 <jflory7> +1 for FOSDEM, we're approaching two hours now.
21:41:57 <Kohane> giannisk: +1
21:42:15 <giannisk> We will update the ticket accordingly when a decision will be made.
21:43:10 <mitzie> +1
21:43:25 <lupinix> but please sort that out with mhroncok
21:43:39 <giannisk> lupinix: of course, no worries :)
21:43:39 <jonatoni> +1
21:44:25 <nmilosev> Okay, so it's settled then. Keep us updated.
21:44:37 <giannisk> nmilosev: 5 votes, please add a note :)
21:45:23 <nmilosev> #agreed Ticket #652 to be discussed at FOSDEM with the event owner and updated in trac
21:46:03 <nmilosev> I just don't know about the earlier vote, since it was to postpone :(
21:46:04 <Kohane> Oh, cool, finally.
21:46:07 <nmilosev> It seems odd
21:46:09 <giannisk> Thank you all!
21:46:21 <Kohane> Welcome.
21:46:23 <giannisk> KISS principle - let's not overcomplicate things :)
21:46:26 <JacobCZ> finally...
21:46:27 <gnokii> haha
21:46:38 <gnokii> there was nothing complicated
21:46:59 <giannisk> gnokii: Aye captain :)
21:47:18 <lupinix> maybe revoting is what united states need too but it's not that easy there :D
21:47:42 * jflory7 laughs weakly... :(
21:47:51 <JacobCZ> Okay, whoever says anything more about this after this message, has to pay the ticket :D
21:48:01 <jflory7> Heheh
21:48:04 <lupinix> :D
21:48:09 <jflory7> Looking forward to seeing some of you folks at FOSDEM!!!
21:48:18 <jflory7> Don't forget to keep an eye on the Community Blog this week ;)
21:48:18 <JacobCZ> I wish I could go :D
21:48:19 <pingou> that's one way to save/make money :)
21:48:26 <giannisk> jflory7: It's gonna be super awesome! :)
21:48:38 <jflory7> giannisk: Looking forward to finally seeing you in ages!!
21:48:41 <pingou> fosdem is pretty cool
21:48:56 <Kohane> Never been there, hope to make it next time.
21:49:10 <JacobCZ> Kohane: me too
21:49:37 <nmilosev> If that is all, I will be ending this meeting in three (3) minutes. Thank you everyone for coming.
21:49:37 <pingou> it's going to be my 10th :]
21:49:38 <lupinix> jflory7: yes trump is not that funny…
21:50:08 <jflory7> pingou++ We're going to have to find some time to talk during FOSDEM too, was hard during DevConf with everything happenong. :)
21:50:24 <jflory7> * happening
21:50:24 <jflory7> +1 to close. :)
21:50:30 <pingou> jflory7: fosdem is just as crazy on that regards :)
21:50:50 <jflory7> pingou: Hahahah, I'm sure... this time, I'll be much better on taking many pictures to document the entire experience.
21:51:18 <pingou> jflory7: if you don't catch the world-famous, fosdem-flue \ó/!
21:51:29 <jflory7> pingou: Hah, I already came down with the DevConflu
21:51:31 <pingou> it's known all over the world :D
21:51:40 <jflory7> My immune system should be hardened from this past weekend... I hope...
21:51:42 <pingou> jflory7: totally different, you can't compare :D
21:51:49 <gnokii> time for breakfast
21:51:50 * pingou side-tracking
21:51:55 * jflory7 goes to stir his ginger tea ;)
21:52:01 <jflory7> Yeah, anyways...
21:52:05 <jflory7> Thanks everyone, good night!
21:52:07 <lupinix> chai tea here…
21:52:10 <JacobCZ> jflory7: you're lucky you haven't colunteered :D had to take a sick-day after it :D
21:52:14 <lupinix> good night everyone!
21:52:24 <JacobCZ> good night y'all :D
21:52:28 <jflory7> JacobCZ: lolol, I can believe it!
21:52:28 <b10n1k> good night
21:52:30 <Kohane> good night everyone! see ya next time
21:52:35 <nmilosev> good night all!
21:52:39 <nmilosev> #endmeeting