22:00:01 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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22:00:05 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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22:00:06 <stickster> #topic Roll call
22:00:08 <stickster> .hello pfrields
22:00:09 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
22:01:52 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
22:01:53 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
22:01:54 * jflory7 waves
22:02:02 <stickster> #chair jflory7
22:02:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 stickster
22:02:04 <stickster> Hi Justin!
22:02:13 <jflory7> Hey Paul!
22:02:27 <jflory7> Happy belated New Year, by the way!
22:02:42 <stickster> #info ryanlerch has to miss this meeting unexpectedly, minor medical emergency at his house
22:03:25 <stickster> Happy new year :-)
22:03:33 <stickster> Sorry for being slow, I'm fully here now.
22:03:47 <jflory7> No worries, I was also getting settled
22:03:56 <jflory7> Hope everything is well with ryanlerch :(
22:04:07 <stickster> it'll be ok, family member has a tummy bug
22:04:16 <stickster> just due diligence hopefully
22:04:23 <jflory7> Ooh, gotcha. Those are no fun.
22:04:29 <stickster> jflory7: if it's just you and me, I guess we can roll pretty quickly here
22:04:34 * jflory7 nods
22:04:36 <stickster> #topic Last week review
22:04:46 <jflory7> Let's do it. I am a little behind on things, though, but I'm getting caught up.
22:05:03 <stickster> jflory7: no worries, we'll keep it light. ryanlerch said he'd be happy to take some actions too
22:05:07 <stickster> #nick ryanlerch
22:05:55 <stickster> #info Last week was approx 52K hits, keeping up with "better than avg" trend lately
22:06:03 <smooge> yay
22:06:18 <jflory7> We'll have to see if the "better than average" becomes the average... :)
22:06:26 <stickster> +1
22:06:45 <stickster> #info "How to install Apache" article scheduled for tomorrow already
22:06:52 <stickster> #topic Pending review
22:07:10 <jflory7> There is one, I know.
22:07:11 <stickster> #info Nothing in Pending Review at this time
22:07:15 <jflory7> It was in drafts, just moved it
22:07:25 <stickster> jflory7: Aha!
22:07:27 <stickster> #undo
22:07:27 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 22:07:11 : Nothing in Pending Review at this time
22:07:53 * jflory7 isn't sure about any of the other nine drafts, so we may want to either move some to holding pen or check on status when we get there
22:08:06 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
22:08:13 <stickster> jflory7: agree 105%
22:08:30 <stickster> #info --- Access Docker Daemon of Fedora Atomic Host Remotely ---
22:08:32 <stickster> #link
22:08:35 <stickster> doh
22:08:46 * stickster waits for jflory7 to drop in link instead
22:09:05 <stickster> #undo
22:09:05 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x40751950>
22:09:10 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16137&preview=1&_ppp=4380ae8a4f
22:09:15 <stickster> <-- worst sec'y ever
22:09:51 <jflory7> Heheh, you can maybe blame it on getting back into habits after the holiday :)
22:10:20 <stickster> Yes. Yes, that is what I shall do. :-D  In any case, looks like this trishnag article is... really complete? Looks that way. Just some style edits?
22:10:29 <jflory7> I was about to say the same.
22:10:48 <jflory7> The material matter is out of my domain, but the article looks solid. Maybe just some headers and a little bit of editing and it should be ready.
22:10:50 <jflory7> Plus a featured image.
22:11:05 <jflory7> trishnag++ for the sweet article
22:11:10 <stickster> jflory7: I can style-edit this and do the image, I have some time tonight unexpectedly
22:11:28 <jflory7> Okay, awesome, I'm tight for time after the meeting, so that works out well. :)
22:11:37 <stickster> #action stickster style edit the Docker/FAH article and do image, schedule for Monday 2017-Jan-16
22:11:54 <jflory7> (for the record, I found one more hidden article that should be pending - is now moved)
22:12:11 * stickster refreshses
22:12:17 <stickster> and loses his speling license
22:12:44 <stickster> #info --- Redshift ---
22:12:53 <jflory7> Oops ;)
22:12:58 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16074&preview=1&_ppp=c074e2aece
22:13:31 <stickster> Man I really don't like our blockquote style for quoting. It works great for an excerpt, but not so much for a quotation itself. I'd probably advise to pull that into the paragraph
22:13:32 <jflory7> I remember some controversy with this article in lieu of Wayland, but I see that is addressed now.
22:13:52 <jflory7> Yeah, I feel the same way on quotes. :/
22:14:06 <stickster> There are a bunch of other formatting things to fix, from looking at the preview, but nothing difficult
22:14:15 <jflory7> #action jflory7 File an issue in the Magazine theme about changing around how blockquotes appear (cc: ryanlerch)
22:14:25 <jflory7> Yeah, I feel the same here.
22:15:02 <jflory7> It might help if ryanlerch could help cover this one. My time this next week is little to none (will explain more at open floor).
22:15:24 <stickster> jflory7: that shouldn't be difficult, he volunteered as much when I chatted with him earlier
22:15:36 <jflory7> Okay, awesome!
22:15:50 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit and provide featured image for Redshift article, for publishing Wed 2017-Jan-18
22:16:27 <stickster> OK, that takes care of PR
22:16:49 <stickster> jflory7: maybe we should take a moment to discuss availability before we hit drafts, so we don't run out of time?
22:16:59 <jflory7> Yeah, that works for me.
22:17:12 <stickster> #topic Editorial cycles/availability upcoming
22:17:19 <jflory7> It's not too much to say–
22:18:16 <jflory7> But next week, I'll be moving overseas to Croatia for the next five months. My travel plans will likely interfere with next week's meeting, so I don't think I'll be here for that (if I am, then bonus points).
22:18:29 <stickster> WOW
22:19:02 <jflory7> I also think the current meeting time should work well for me, ironically. So hopefully there won't have to be any changing of meeting time. It'll just be on the later side for me.
22:19:17 <stickster> WOW*2
22:19:30 <stickster> OK, sounds like an exciting time for you, jflory7 !
22:19:30 <jflory7> Yeah, seriously, I don't know if that ever happens :P
22:19:39 * stickster now makes things a little more complicated
22:19:42 <jflory7> I am very excited for the next few months! :)
22:19:52 <jflory7> Thanks Paul.
22:21:06 <stickster> Next Thursday afternoon (EST) I'm leaving for a short holiday in London with my wife. I'll be completely AFK until Tuesday night CET (afternoon EST) when I get to Brno for DevConf.cz. And the next week will be very busy, so I don't expect to have any real time to edit or such.
22:21:44 <stickster> So my outage looks basically like Jan 19 - Jan 31. I should be at the 2017-Feb-02 meeting, though.
22:22:02 <jflory7> Oh, wow, that sounds awesome! Hope you have a good time in London. And I'll see you in Brno too. :)
22:22:11 <stickster> that's what I hear, looking forward to it jflory7
22:22:55 <stickster> So I was thinking I may do 2-3 short articles that can be held in PR and Ryan can publish them as needed
22:23:04 <jflory7> Hmm, actually, with you mentioning DevConf, I actually don't know if I will be around for that meeting either. I also don't think I'll be around for the meeting that following week because I'll be traveling then too.
22:23:13 <stickster> I was hoping we might see a HDYF from cprofitt too, but no guarantees
22:23:31 <jflory7> Yeah, that's definitely going to be a good idea. I've had an article in my pipeline that I wanted to write about Matrix / Riot, so I'll see if I can get that into the queue for an easy schedule
22:23:35 <stickster> We may just want to plan on list, or here in channel with Ryan tonight, how to fill up the queu
22:23:35 * jflory7 nods
22:23:59 <stickster> That way we don't either (1) bury him in Magazine work, or (2) go dry while we're out
22:24:06 <jflory7> Yeah, we might want to find some time to sync up with him on that - for me, mailing list will be easier, at least just for this coming week
22:24:09 * stickster chortles at the idea of "going dry" in Brno
22:24:17 <jflory7> Heheh.
22:24:56 <jflory7> But yeah, definitely will want to do our best to not pin everything onto ryanlerch for the next few weeks. So preemptive planning should definitely be a priority, preferably before end of week.
22:25:04 <jflory7> * before the end of this week
22:26:01 <stickster> #action jflory7 stickster ryanlerch meet and plan how to keep queue filled during next two weeks while various outages happen
22:26:11 * jflory7 nods
22:26:43 <stickster> OK, on to drafts
22:26:48 <stickster> #topic Drafts
22:27:01 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft
22:27:41 <stickster> btw jflory7 ... I'm thinking, let's not spin too many wheels on this topic
22:28:07 <jflory7> How do you mean?
22:28:30 <stickster> i.e. shelve the things that are out of date, clean up the category, and assume we'll plan e.g. Friday 2017-Jan-20 and forward tonight w/ ryanlerch
22:29:00 <stickster> I already have an idea for an article a la tomorrow's Apache that I can crank out in an hour to be ready for 20th, and several more ideas beyond that
22:29:07 <stickster> all of which are high-value SEO search targets
22:29:54 <jflory7> Yep, 100% agreed.
22:30:37 * jflory7 is filing the issue against the theme / replying to author emails in list, so is a tad slow to respond for a bit
22:30:42 <stickster> cool
22:32:52 <stickster> #idea trash the old, untouched drafts for privacy in Firefox and network namespace
22:34:55 <jflory7> Might be best for now. Looks like it's been since November when they were last edited.
22:34:58 <stickster> Also, I still would love to see puiterwijk articles on our spam defense and using rpm-ostree in a workstation
22:35:09 <jflory7> +1, those are definitely exciting topics for me too :)
22:35:42 <stickster> but it doesn't seem like he's got much time for these and he's always helping with other stuff
22:36:38 <puiterwijk> One of these days. I've at least gotten the hang of writing some stuff again recently :)
22:37:20 <stickster> puiterwijk: :-) We'd love these but I understand you have more critical stuff on your plate... We can move them to the "Holding Pen" for now, perhaps?
22:37:34 <stickster> that way they stay out of the agenda until something happens
22:37:49 <puiterwijk> Sure, sounds good
22:38:27 <jflory7> Sounds like a plan to me!
22:38:39 <stickster> #agreed trashed above drafts
22:38:49 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder
22:38:52 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
22:38:57 <stickster> #idea move rpm-ostree and spam defense articles to Holding Pen
22:39:09 <stickster> #agreed move Patrick's articles to HP as above
22:39:13 <stickster> o/ linuxmodder
22:39:16 <stickster> #chair linuxmodder
22:39:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder stickster
22:39:38 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Evening!
22:39:42 <linuxmodder> evening
22:40:15 <linuxmodder> anyone have any objection to me  trying to revive the verify ISO or  securioty tips series articles?
22:40:26 <stickster> not at all
22:41:12 <linuxmodder> stickster,  weren't those originally yours ?
22:41:27 <stickster> speaking for myself... one thing I would recommend for security tips is to focus on a shorter article about a specific use case or situation rather than "tell you all the things to make you safe" which is where I think the originals went awry
22:41:28 <jflory7> Yup, no objections here either!
22:41:57 <linuxmodder> stickster,  define short ?
22:42:01 <stickster> linuxmodder: No, I think Sylvia started them but they never really got finished
22:42:09 <jflory7> stickster: Or to extend that idea a bit with an idea we discussed in December (I think??), but "five things you need to do to secure X" or that specific thing.
22:42:13 <stickster> linuxmodder: I was thinking 300-500 words
22:42:51 <stickster> jflory7: Yeah, exactly. And those "<N> steps to do <X>" articles score very highly in searches too
22:42:59 <jflory7> "Three ways to verify and trust ISO files"
22:43:01 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  that is not bad but what Secure `X`  things do we wanna target
22:43:03 <jflory7> Etc., etc.
22:43:24 <stickster> linuxmodder: "Three plugins for Firefox to boost your privacy"
22:43:37 <linuxmodder> that one might not jive well with the present verify tho jflory7
22:43:42 <jflory7> ^^ that would be a cool one to pick up
22:43:57 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I was just tossing out ideas, I assume you would be a little more familiar with the proper lingo to use there.
22:44:17 <stickster> "4 tips for clearing unused data off your hard disk"
22:44:21 <linuxmodder> sorry if it seems as if secure your stuff is the going mantra for me but no time for the more sysadmin-y stuff atm
22:44:37 <stickster> we like security articles
22:44:54 <jflory7> linuxmodder: No worries - security articles are fine, and we'd appreciate anything you have the time to write and put together. :)
22:45:19 <jflory7> stickster: Were there any remaining drafts we wanted to take a look at or double-check on status?
22:45:28 <linuxmodder> stickster,  IF I promise to mantain the series would the original backup logic series be cool for  a tag on to the security tips series
22:45:58 * jflory7 remembers sub_pop's article coming up in the past about the embedded terminal and is also not sure about the status on Modern Paste
22:46:05 <stickster> linuxmodder: are you talking about a specific earlier post? got a link?
22:46:17 <jflory7> Errr, not sub_pop for that one...
22:46:22 <stickster> jflory7: no change in embedded terminal article, doesn't work on Wayland
22:46:51 <stickster> jflory7: modernpaste *is* still alive, just waiting on deployment which should happen in the next week or two
22:47:00 <linuxmodder> `i seem to have missed the pitch for  the testing packages draft where was that aimed?
22:47:18 <stickster> #action stickster make sure that relrod communicates back to Ryan when modernpaste is live
22:47:22 <linuxmodder> more the qa angle or the common user  testing with fedora-easy-karma the draft is blank
22:47:29 <jflory7> stickster: *sad* I wonder if there's any merit publishing this with the disclaimer that it only works on X? I almost feel like it would be bad press to publish it and have to put extra emphasis that you have to use X for it to work.
22:47:43 <stickster> jflory7: *nod, agreed
22:47:46 <jflory7> I feel like this one might be best for the holding pen and we could try to recover it if support is ever added for Wayland
22:47:56 * relrod looks up
22:48:02 <stickster> linuxmodder: I think the author put that one aside in favor of the FreeOrion article, which included how to test but was focused on *what* to test
22:48:06 * jflory7 isn't sure if that's the kind of thing where support can be added or if it's a permanent, "not ever going to happen" sort of thing
22:48:20 <stickster> linuxmodder: I don't think he had the intention of finishing the generic one
22:48:29 <linuxmodder> stickster,  so we just letting it placehold for the momement then?
22:48:34 <jflory7> sub_pop: Ping, do you happen to be around?
22:48:53 <stickster> linuxmodder: more like we should probably trash it to avoid drain buildup :-D
22:49:01 <sub_pop> hallo. what's up?
22:49:03 <linuxmodder> if so i'd motion or it to go to HP
22:49:04 <jflory7> The FreeOrion / testing packages articles were sub_pop's.
22:49:14 <jflory7> sub_pop: o/
22:49:23 <stickster> jflory7: Ah! I forgot who did that, I look at "link" in the author name and drew a blank
22:49:27 <stickster> o/ sub_pop
22:49:40 <stickster> sub_pop: did you want to do a more general article on updates testing?
22:49:50 <sub_pop> i think that might still be worth doing.
22:49:58 <stickster> if so, it would be a great thing to publish toward end of month
22:49:59 <linuxmodder> sub_pop,  were you planning to revisit the testing packages article or would you mind elaorating where you meant it to go ?
22:50:26 <stickster> *jinx
22:50:34 <jflory7> relrod: Oh, hey! We mentioned the Modern Paste article draft for the Fedora Magazine that you had started. If there's not any changes yet to the status, just let ryanlerch know once it's looking like it will be going live soon. :)
22:50:38 * linuxmodder is willing to put some cycles sub_pop 's way on that if he/she is up for reviving
22:50:54 <sub_pop> i think the idea was to show how to contribute to fedora by way of testing/bodhi karma
22:51:23 <linuxmodder> sub_pop,  if you're still game for doing it I can /will help from the QA sanity check /ideas angle
22:51:23 <sub_pop> the freeorion article was a very narrowly-scoped prototype version of that concept
22:51:32 <stickster> *nod, a couple ways to do that sub_pop, between Bodhi web and fedora-easy-karma
22:51:43 <jflory7> sub_pop: A resource that may be helpful to you for writing this is a three-step series that was published in the Community Blog in the past. It would be cool to have a condensed, summarized version on the Magazine that we could then point back to some of the Community Blog articles. Let me grab those links really fast.
22:51:46 <sub_pop> but i like the more generic subject of using bodhi
22:51:49 <stickster> sub_pop: that freeorion article got good hits too :-)
22:51:55 <linuxmodder> fedora-easy-karma is not very hard even for a non cli loving user
22:52:03 <jflory7> sub_pop: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/getting-started-fedora-qa-part-1/ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/getting-started-fedora-qa-part-2/ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/getting-started-fedora-qa-part-3/
22:52:28 <sub_pop> neat. i'll give those a read
22:52:32 <stickster> jflory7 neat idea -- in other words, the concept would be to distill those down into a single article with references out to the old ones?
22:52:37 <linuxmodder> that is actually exactly the same structure i was thinking of jflory7
22:52:43 <stickster> neat
22:52:43 <jflory7> ^^ these all cover a lot of different angles of testing / QA team. Some sort of nice summary in a single article would be cool. :)
22:52:50 <jflory7> stickster: That's what I was thinking, yeah!
22:53:06 <linuxmodder> and a nice pingback to them too even
22:53:48 <jflory7> Oh, yeah, for sure. So then if people wanted to dive deeper, they could read the full CommBlog series if they want to explore it more
22:54:07 * jflory7 notes we're in the final five minutes
22:54:09 <stickster> I would recommend looking at this series from the perspective that the reader doesn't *necessarily* want to join the QA team per se, but that it's a *possibility*
22:54:45 <stickster> So the three steps should concentrate on minimum work required, but then at appropriate steps, point to the bigger articles for more info on how to take it to the next level
22:54:49 <linuxmodder> or a hey I wanna make this or that package better how the heck do I put some effort in in the 'best practice' way
22:55:04 <stickster> yeah, exactly  linuxmodder
22:55:11 <linuxmodder> been seeing a ton of that on telegram and #fedora lately
22:55:17 <stickster> thanks for clock watch jflory7
22:55:26 <linuxmodder> and that could be a great segway top -join as well
22:55:39 <jflory7> stickster: +1
22:55:55 <stickster> So, sub_pop + linuxmodder, do you think this is something you could do by, say Thu 26th? (two weeks out)
22:56:19 <linuxmodder> the *possibility* pointing to join and the respective qa and non qa teams too even
22:57:19 <linuxmodder> I'd personally prefer the 2nd but with sub_pop helping I'd say its possible
22:57:25 <linuxmodder> next week for me is tight is all
22:57:54 <stickster> sure, let's say 2017-Feb-02
22:57:59 <stickster> sub_pop: ?
22:58:40 <stickster> Well, discuss among yourselves then... we need to close up here for the evening :-)
22:58:47 <linuxmodder> kk noted
22:59:02 * jflory7 has to have a hard stop on the hour today :(
22:59:07 <stickster> jflory7: anything else to cover? with the caveat that we'll try to get with Ryan later about queue-stuffing
22:59:28 <jflory7> stickster: We covered the availability for this next month... so no, I feel like we're all set.
22:59:35 <jflory7> stickster: The Apache article you mentioned is for tomorrow?
22:59:41 <stickster> #action linuxmodder sub_pop discuss viability of distilled "how to test updates" article for 2017-Feb-02 and get back to us
22:59:48 <stickster> jflory7: correct
23:00:53 <jflory7> Okay, sweet.
23:01:03 <jflory7> Then yeah, I think we're all covered for the next week.
23:01:06 <jflory7> +1 to close out!
23:02:09 <stickster> Okey dokey
23:02:13 <stickster> #endmeeting