19:30:06 <pravins> #startmeeting translations
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19:30:07 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
19:30:07 <pravins> #info  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2016-11-15
19:30:22 <pravins> hi all, who else available here today.
19:30:39 <pravins> few members already said hi, before meeting. Adding them into chair
19:30:57 <pravins> #chair jonatoni nolski jibec geohas
19:30:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: geohas jibec jonatoni nolski pravins
19:31:03 <pravins> aeng: around ^^
19:31:17 <pravins> #chair noriko
19:31:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: geohas jibec jonatoni nolski noriko pravins
19:31:30 <jibec> hi
19:31:34 <geohas> hi
19:31:37 <jibec> .fasinfo jibec
19:31:39 <zodbot> jibec: User: jibec, Name: Holcroft, email: jb.holcroft@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-11-09, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
19:31:42 <zodbot> jibec: Unapproved Groups: cla_fpca
19:31:45 <zodbot> jibec: Approved Groups: None
19:32:44 <pravins> lets see upcoming schedule meanwhile
19:32:47 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
19:32:47 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule
19:32:47 <pravins> #info 2016-11-22 	Fedora 25 Final Release (GA)
19:33:03 <pravins> Still one week to go. Lets see if we can find some action item in todays meeting for F25.
19:33:31 <nolski> o/
19:33:46 <pravins> sorry, wrong number nolski :(
19:33:50 <jonatoni_> .hello jonatoni
19:33:50 <zodbot> jonatoni_: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
19:34:11 <nolski> no worries :)
19:34:16 <pravins> :)
19:34:23 <pravins> We have many tickets today, lets start one by one.
19:34:29 <pravins> #topic Badges for Trans team
19:34:30 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/26
19:34:49 <pravins> Basically for awarding badge we need some criteria. Most of the groups are using FAS groups.
19:35:06 <pravins> We are using cvsl10n group from long time, this is mostly important to get Wiki and Voting access to trans team member as well.
19:35:16 <pravins> I dont see any harm in using this group for awarding badges as well.
19:35:20 <jibec> +1, cvsl10n FAS group is a good idea
19:36:05 <geohas> he, I didn't get any badge for translating to german ...
19:36:11 <pravins> Rather badge criteria will further push new members to join this group and it will solve other issues regarding Wiki and Voting auto.
19:36:22 <Kohane> .fas lailah
19:36:23 <zodbot> Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' <BHKohane@gmail.com>
19:36:28 <pravins> hi Kohane :)
19:36:32 <pravins> #chair Kohane
19:36:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kohane geohas jibec jonatoni nolski noriko pravins
19:36:35 <Kohane> Hi
19:36:54 <Kohane> Haha, that was unexpected
19:36:54 <noriko> Kohane, hi :-)
19:37:00 <pravins> geohas: after this ticket gets fixed, you will definitely get one for Trans team member :)
19:37:13 <Kohane> Hi noriko
19:37:17 <geohas> .fasinfo gmh
19:37:18 <zodbot> geohas: User: gmh, Name: Georg Hasibether, email: georg@hasibether.at, Creation: 2014-01-30, IRC Nick: geohas, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 7F4CB4E8, Status: active
19:37:21 <zodbot> geohas: Approved Groups: magazine cvsl10n cla_fpca cla_done
19:37:23 <pravins> +1 from me as well for using CVSl10n, i think no one opposed in mailing list as well.
19:38:14 <pravins> So after this all members in cvs10n group will get trans team member badge, if anyone is not part of this group they can request membership.
19:38:26 <pravins> piotr helped me quickly with approval :)
19:38:31 <jonatoni_> +1
19:38:56 <pravins> if no one has objection, lets agree and move ahead.
19:39:03 <Kohane> yes, agree
19:39:22 <pravins> #agreed To use cvsl10n for awarding badges to translation team members.
19:39:25 <pravins> great, thanks.
19:40:02 <pravins> #topic T-shirts for active contributor
19:40:03 <pravins> #info https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/32
19:40:09 <pravins> Thanks to council for approving budget for T-shirt.
19:40:24 <pravins> and also thanks to aeng for providing list of users with 500+ commits.
19:40:44 <Kohane> Oh, it's on Pagure now! Nice.
19:40:50 <aeng_> Morning
19:40:59 <pravins> aeng_: hi :)
19:41:13 <Kohane> aeng_: Morning
19:41:17 <pravins> Kohane: yeah, we have migrated g11n trac already. Thanks to paragan.
19:41:33 <pravins> As per stats, we have 78 members.
19:41:43 <pravins> I think, we should make this 100
19:41:53 <Kohane> Yes, I agree.
19:42:03 <aeng_> Yup round the number
19:42:17 <pravins> jibec suggested to award T-shirt to language team has only 1 members etc. It will help to promote our tras activity in particular region.
19:42:23 <jonatoni_> I agree with pravins
19:42:54 <aeng_> Sounds good. but how many extra?
19:43:13 <pravins> 78+22
19:43:53 <aeng_> +1
19:44:09 <jonatoni_> +1
19:44:14 <pravins> Also for members like me, jonatoni who not translating much but helping with organization. If no objection from other.
19:44:14 <geohas> +1
19:44:18 <aeng_> As long as it's in the budget
19:44:34 <Kohane> I have no objections from my side.
19:44:38 <pravins> right. 100 number is good also in sense we can get good cost.
19:44:40 <pravins> great.
19:44:46 <pravins> #agreed for 100 T-shirts
19:45:00 <jibec> pravins: nothing against jonatoni, but only if we have room for such exceptions ;)
19:45:01 <geohas> +1 for me :)
19:45:26 <pravins> jibec: exactly, so feel free to nominate such members.
19:45:38 <pravins> We dont have much room.
19:45:58 <jibec> i'll suggest from the two lists aeng extracted for council
19:46:11 <pravins> #info Team members please nominate few person, who are not in criteria but actually helping lot to Translation group overall.
19:47:01 <Kohane> And where should we nominate these persons?
19:47:02 <pravins> jibec: not understood suggestion. can you clarify more.
19:47:16 <jonatoni_> First thing that we need it's to have the design for the tshirts, after that we can see if we have enough budget for 100 tshirts or more
19:47:53 <pravins> Kohane: we will plan for that, no idea as of now.
19:48:01 <Kohane> Okay, thanks
19:48:04 <pravins> jonatoni: yeah and  we need someone to lead that.
19:48:11 <pravins> Also we need to plan for distribution strategy.
19:48:29 <aeng_> Yeah. Priority is still for the initial 78 members.
19:48:34 <jonatoni_> Also we need to think about the costs of distribution
19:48:41 <pravins> aeng: definitely.
19:48:58 <jonatoni_> I can help with this
19:49:00 <zdenek> what if someone wants to ave that t-shirt but is not on the list? Can he/she get it if will donate some money to cover shipment or other costs?
19:49:11 <aeng_> Lol.. yup, that why the more regional to cover the higher the cost
19:49:32 <pravins> zdenek: thats nice idea.
19:49:57 <pravins> #idea if someone not on list but want T-shirt can he purchase with own money or some contribution.
19:50:11 <pravins> jonatoni: great.
19:50:13 <zdenek> +1
19:50:20 <geohas> +1
19:50:24 <aeng_> +1
19:50:30 <jonatoni_> +1
19:50:31 <pravins> DeVconf is soon any many people travels their, it can help for distribution.
19:50:42 <noriko> are you sure we get money by selling t-shirt?
19:50:47 <jonatoni_> Devconf or FOSDEM
19:50:58 <geohas> also we should ask redhat for covering some costs
19:51:03 <jibec> may we also reuse l10n badge logo and this tshirt?
19:51:22 <aeng_> Well keep in mind it's only for translators. Not just anyone who wants the tshirt
19:51:38 <pravins> geohas: yes, i think we can get some help from Red Hat
19:52:19 <pravins> aeng: yes, may be more specific from your second list which has 168 members ;)
19:52:40 <geohas> aeng, donaters for translation
19:52:57 <noriko> I hesitate to give +1 for purchase option of t-shirt.
19:53:14 <jonatoni_> Tbh i agree with noriko
19:54:04 <pravins> what i think, if one want to purchase, they can directly contact the vendor, so no one will be involved other than vendor and person who wants T-shirt
19:54:15 <pravins> but if it looks problematic lets drop the idea.
19:54:23 <jonatoni_> For the next fiscal year we can produce more tshirts for other contributors that will not have the chance to get one now
19:54:25 <jibec> +0 for tshirt purchasing (not blocking no)
19:54:38 <pravins> sure.
19:54:59 <pravins> #agred Lets not make it more complicated by adding purchase option to it.
19:55:07 <zdenek> ok
19:55:08 <aeng_> Moving on
19:55:09 <pravins> #agreed Lets not make it more complicated by adding purchase option to it.
19:55:32 <pravins> #topic Fedora 25 Virtual translation sprint
19:55:33 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/29
19:55:45 <pravins> Kohane: only remaining task was to publish report.
19:55:51 <pravins> Did you able to publish report?
19:55:59 <pravins> not heard anything recently about it.
19:56:38 <pravins> does anyone else has an update on communityblog report for Translation sprint?
19:57:07 <jonatoni_> We can ask jflory7
19:57:26 <pravins> yes.
19:57:41 <pravins> but does Kohane submitted it to commblog?
19:57:51 <pravins> i remember i reviewed it once.
19:58:06 <pravins> sure, lets ping jflory7 and Kohane later
19:58:22 <pravins> #action pravins to ping jflory7 and Kohane later for translation sprint reprot.
19:58:32 <pravins> next one
19:58:33 <pravins> #topic No active coordinator for Malayalam
19:58:33 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/31
19:58:41 <pravins> This has been regular issue now. Few language group coordinator are not active and it actually hamper entry to new members.
19:58:49 <pravins> What do you suggest for this?
19:59:05 <Kohane> Oh, I'm sorry, I momentarily got distracted
19:59:18 <Kohane> I'm helping a friend to open a ticket, I'm sorry
19:59:53 <pravins> Kohane: no problem :) do update on Translation sprint report, you did nice by adding interviews to it.
20:00:00 <jonatoni_> First we need to talk with the coordinator
20:00:14 <Kohane> pravins: no, I didn't publish the report, I'm sorry. I'll do so these days.
20:00:21 <Kohane> Thanks!
20:00:27 <pravins> Kohane: sure.
20:00:28 <jonatoni_> To see why he is not active
20:00:39 <pravins> #action Kohane to publish Translation sprint report.
20:00:41 <noriko> I heard similar situation for Hindi.
20:00:45 <noriko> at fudcon.
20:00:50 <aeng_> Identify those peo0le and communicate with them.
20:00:53 <Kohane> Yes, I saw that...
20:01:11 <pravins> We need some to follow steps for this issue.
20:01:16 <aeng_> If no response, nominate new coordinator
20:01:30 <pravins> noriko: even i see coordinators for few languages are not at all active for year but still holding position.
20:01:32 <jonatoni_> Agree with aeng
20:01:48 <noriko> yes, it should happen quickly otherwise new one who step in can give up and gone.
20:02:18 <pravins> Me too feel same.
20:02:28 <aeng_> Yup. We just need to monitor the mailing list when new member request to join
20:02:47 <pravins> for Malayalam case, its actually more than month now.
20:02:52 <pravins> Person is still waiting.
20:02:52 <aeng_> It taken too long, someone need to step in and check
20:02:54 <Kohane> Pedro from the Portuguese Portugal team is still waiting for approval
20:03:26 <pravins> Can we make some criteria here?
20:03:35 <Kohane> Yes, it would be good
20:03:38 <zdenek> can we nominate coordinator for empty translations teams? So in case there is new translator, this "universal" coordinator can quickly grant the rights
20:03:47 <pravins> Like if no response in one week, escalate to trans list and then Admin can takeover it?
20:04:04 <aeng_> Good idea
20:04:11 <noriko> one week....
20:04:24 <noriko> might be too short for community coordinator... am not sure.
20:04:57 <pravins> One week personnel request, then 2nd week by cc'ing on trans list? So 2 weeks.
20:05:09 <noriko> people can take holiday...
20:05:52 <Kohane> I think 2 weeks is a reasonable...
20:06:22 <jibec> noriko +1, it can wait the release if slow answer
20:06:27 <Kohane> yes, but on the other hand there's someone who's waiting and maybe feel discouraged if nobody replies after so much...
20:06:40 <noriko> only if there is no activities/posts in the mailing list for a couple of weeks?
20:07:01 <pravins> This has been long standing issue.
20:07:13 <noriko> jibec, good point.
20:07:46 <pravins> hmm, but we are not still with clear criteria for escalate.
20:07:54 <pravins> hmm, time is running.
20:08:09 <aeng_> Make it 2week before  escalate to tranlist?
20:08:23 <pravins> yes, 2 Weeks looks reasonable.
20:08:25 <jibec> +1
20:08:31 <jonatoni_> +1
20:08:40 <geohas> +1
20:08:47 <pravins> Would someone like to takeover it and add criteria to Wiki, we can then further work on it.
20:08:50 <noriko> escalate to trans list sounds good.
20:08:59 <pravins> Section might be #Unresponsive coordinator
20:09:36 <pravins> #agree Wait for 2 week for response from coordinator else escalate to Trans list and then admin can takeover.
20:09:39 <noriko> but 2 weeks should not grant new coordinator automatically, right?
20:09:53 <pravins> It will also add some responsibility on coordinator for replying in time.
20:10:11 <pravins> noriko: no, after 2 weeks admin can think on it.
20:10:24 <pravins> so more time for coordinator :)
20:10:33 <pravins> i forgot to add action item for T-shirt
20:10:36 <noriko> k :
20:10:43 <noriko> :)
20:10:50 <jibec> oh, what are we talking about? publishing of report or the process to handle coordinator desertion??
20:10:50 <pravins> #action jonatoni to help with Vendor stuff.
20:11:17 <pravins> anyone else want to join jonatoni for T-shirts? i will help with identifying 78 members region.
20:11:23 <pravins> jibec: yes
20:11:23 <jibec> for report, 2 weeks is great, for coordinator, it's way more difficult
20:11:34 <geohas> here to join
20:11:59 <pravins> jibec: yeah, if coordinator is not responsive.
20:12:00 <jibec> we should not write definitive rules, as every situation is different and need open discussionn
20:12:28 <pravins> hmm, but at least we need something minimal
20:12:44 <pravins> the process.
20:13:04 <aeng_> We need steps for the members if their coordinator is not responsive in the given timeframe
20:13:06 <jibec> yep, but we do not decide that kind of things without planning, thinking and agreeing
20:13:14 <Kohane> I think there must be some kind of time limit
20:13:26 <geohas> 2 weeks
20:13:27 <Kohane> A person who wants to translate can't wait forever
20:13:34 <Kohane> yes, 2 weeks is fine
20:13:45 <pravins> jibec: yes, lets start with draft, take opinion and then move ahead.
20:14:10 <pravins> #action pravins to open ticket for unresponsive coordinator.
20:14:19 <pravins> lets communicate on ticket further
20:14:24 <jibec> two weeks to promote user to translator is no big deal, two weeks to propose a removal of coordinator is not good
20:14:38 <aeng_> We are talking about removal
20:14:41 <aeng_> Not
20:15:02 <aeng_> It's just ways to allow members to proceed
20:15:12 <pravins> right.
20:15:27 <pravins> not removal rather for approving new members.
20:15:32 <jibec> ok, let's write it in the draft then, thanks for the details
20:15:40 <pravins> next ticket
20:15:40 <pravins> moving to next one.
20:15:46 <pravins> #topic "L10N - New wiki structure proposal"
20:15:47 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/34
20:16:04 <pravins> where are we on new structure now.
20:16:33 * jonatoni_ needs to go home (sorry)
20:16:49 <pravins> jonatoni: sure. happy journey :)
20:17:12 <pravins> jibec: i think, proposal already in this stage from long time
20:17:13 <geohas> nice ods
20:17:14 <aeng_> Gonna prepare me and my kids now. See yall
20:17:15 <zdenek> Here I have a question: Is https://pagure.io/g11n/ a replacement / successor of https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ please?
20:17:20 <pravins> if no any objection, i think we can move ahead.
20:17:45 <zdenek> so if I need to open ticket, should I go to pagure or to fedorahosted?
20:17:54 <pravins> aeng: noriko does having meeting 30min earlier will help here?
20:18:09 <pravins> zdenek: yes. we are using it now.
20:18:20 <pravins> zdenek: perfect.
20:19:01 <jibec> pravins: we should then move ahead
20:19:17 <jibec> nobody said it was bad, so let's assume it's ok
20:19:36 <Kohane> zdenek: yes, trac was migrated to pagure
20:19:54 <pravins> jibec: yes, actually having some restructure like this will be nice.
20:20:00 <zdenek> ok, thanks for confirmation. The new Wiki structure proposal if OK for me
20:20:10 <Kohane> for me too
20:20:11 <geohas> +1
20:20:15 <pravins> +1
20:20:16 <Kohane> +1
20:20:22 <jibec> +1 ;)
20:20:24 <zdenek> +1
20:20:34 <pravins> #agree To move ahead with new Wiki restructure proposal.
20:21:04 <Protoanima> agree
20:21:05 <pravins> jibec: do once say, you are starting for implementation on trans list.
20:21:07 <noriko> sorry are we talking aobut https://pagure.io/g11n/?
20:21:25 <pravins> noriko: nope, new Wiki restructure proposal.
20:21:31 <zdenek> about #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/34
20:21:36 <pravins> https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/34
20:22:47 <pravins> noriko: do reply on list, if you have any suggestion on proposal for restructure.
20:23:17 <pravins> meanwhile moving to next ticket
20:23:30 <skamath> .hello skamath
20:23:31 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' <sskamath96@gmail.com>
20:23:35 <noriko> sure, jibec pravins, is any possible impacts list?
20:23:36 <skamath> Hi all :)
20:23:39 <pravins> hi skamath :)
20:23:50 <Protoanima> Hi
20:23:57 <pravins> We just discussed your ticket regarding Non responsive coordinator.
20:24:12 <skamath> My scrollback is too long :P
20:24:20 <skamath> I am connecting to IRC after 5 days or so
20:24:21 <pravins> noriko: can someone approve skamath, he is waiting for membership frm last one month.
20:24:36 <skamath> That'd be great.
20:24:52 <geohas> .fasinfo skamath
20:24:52 <zodbot> geohas: User: skamath, Name: Sachin S Kamath , email: sskamath96@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-12, IRC Nick: skamath, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 10EDC863, Status: active
20:24:55 <zodbot> geohas: Approved Groups: cvsl10n freemedia fedora-join summer-coding fi-apprentice commops cla_fpca cla_done
20:24:55 <pravins> Ani is not active from last couple of month.
20:25:36 <pravins> moving to next ticket
20:25:42 <pravins> #topic The Piwik usage in fedora.zanata.org
20:25:42 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/30
20:25:43 <pravins> Can we close this ticket, if no further issues?
20:26:02 <Kohane> give me a moment to read
20:26:29 <pravins> sure.
20:26:34 <zdenek> Can I benefit from Piwik as a user?
20:26:57 <geohas> remove piwik +1
20:27:15 <zdenek> Or this is something running on background and I cannot see its stats?
20:27:21 <pravins> geohas: but its actually helping to get statistics and helping Zanata
20:27:28 <noriko> I feel for this issue, we should have zanata member to represent and vote.
20:27:39 <pravins> noriko: definitely.
20:27:55 <pravins> I think we came to conclusion for this ticket.
20:28:00 <geohas> noriko, you are right
20:28:23 <jibec> well, the proposal was to remove Piwik, and it is now just to make data anonymous and let L10N admin access it
20:28:27 <Kohane> I think we should remove piwik
20:28:33 <pravins> Since Paul frield confirmed on ticket, Piwik is not violating Fedora policy.
20:29:13 <geohas> so, only use zanata with ghostery and ublock origin?
20:29:40 <pravins> jibec: Data is already anonymous, since its only ip.
20:29:47 <pravins> not username
20:29:55 <jibec> pravins, my IP does not change, it's not anonymous
20:30:13 <skamath> pravins, definitely a problem for static IP's
20:30:45 <Kohane> well, mine isn't static AFAIK but....
20:30:56 <pravins> same here, no static
20:31:02 <skamath> But then, what bad can piwik on Zanata do if it is only tracking the IP's?
20:31:13 <jibec> pravins: what is the vote ? should we decide on remove piwki or keeping it with a mecanism to make data anonymous and L10N admin access ?
20:32:23 <pravins> Fedora is already using ip's for generating stats on our dnf update etc. (correct me if wrong)
20:32:29 <jibec> and anyway, most companies are tracking their consumers, I think we should not accept this in an open-source community
20:32:58 <pravins> does ip == users. Then its big problem.
20:33:07 <aeng_> If you're worry about IP, is all over fedora now. With your username too.
20:33:09 <pravins> I dont know, how it will work for static ip.
20:33:23 <aeng_> Irc
20:33:34 <aeng_> Everything.
20:33:40 <jibec> pravins: as we do not know the settings of piwiki, it can gather way more information, like where you click and many information about visitor
20:33:54 <skamath> jibec, as far as I understand, piwik uses it only to maintain statistics of a user and not "activity" of the user
20:33:56 <geohas> I think piwik should be removed
20:33:57 <aeng_> Jibec, it's only ip
20:34:19 <jibec> again:  should we decide on remove piwki or keeping it with a mecanism to make data anonymous and L10N admin access ?
20:34:25 <aeng_> Skamath, not exactly. It keeps track of page visits
20:34:50 <pravins> aeng_: can Fedora infra access Piwik?
20:34:53 <noriko> I doubt if even we can decide this in this meeting with limited people.
20:35:08 <aeng_> Nope. It's internal redhat
20:35:31 <pravins> i strongly feel, Fedora infra is much proper team to investigate or have such access.
20:35:47 <aeng_> But as far as replied from Paul and infra fedora, it is not doing anything wrong
20:35:57 <Kohane> yes, I agree, infra is much proper team
20:36:06 <Kohane> but I think piwik should be removed
20:36:07 <pravins> yeah. that is why i feel its fine.
20:36:19 <jibec> aeng_: you said you wanted the point of view of community, you got it
20:36:40 <pravins> jibec: this is more kind of issue we should discuss on council may be. not sure though
20:36:40 <jibec> even if no vote is made to express it
20:36:46 <aeng_> Yeah. But I won't be down if it's a wrong decision
20:36:50 <geohas> I don't agree with the page tracking, which piwik does
20:37:17 <aeng_> I'm happy to removed it tbh. But keep in mind the ikpact
20:37:51 <aeng_> Impact of we not knowing priority on each pages
20:37:54 <Protoanima> how does removing piwik affect the translating process?
20:38:11 <noriko> please again, I don't like to have a vote to decide on this issue in this meeting with limited people.
20:38:29 <aeng_> It will not impact the process. But we use when designing page and understand user behaviour
20:38:31 <pravins> i feel, its definitely not user tracking or spying but moderately generating stats for process improvements.
20:38:35 <jibec> aeng_: I offered an alternative with community control, I do not understand why RH want to block this
20:38:49 <jibec> noriko: what do you mean by limited ?
20:39:01 <aeng_> RH is blocking what?
20:39:08 <skamath> I second what pravins just said.
20:39:11 <aeng_> It's not about RH
20:39:11 <pravins> noriko: yes, we will definitely not take vote here.
20:39:13 <noriko> the votes we can gain in this meeting is not whole voice of entire translation team.
20:39:23 <noriko> we can still vote for good, but not this issue.
20:39:28 <pravins> noriko: +1
20:39:52 <jibec> noriko: what is your suggestion to get the "entire translation team" approval?
20:39:57 <Kohane> noriko: that's true but what do you suggest for this particular issue?
20:40:06 <pravins> jibec: it means more wider discussion :)
20:40:11 <skamath> How about a ML thread?
20:40:14 <noriko> as pravins mentioned, I support to escalte the issue to council?
20:40:36 <pravins> yes, make sense.
20:40:38 <Protoanima> that would be nice
20:40:56 <aeng_> Yeah
20:41:01 <smooge> escalate what?
20:41:27 <smooge> because there just seems to be a general statement which the council will probbaly send back
20:41:27 <Kohane> smooge: the issue we're discussing
20:42:01 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/30
20:42:10 <pravins> but anyway, i think lets move ahead
20:42:18 <pravins> take this ticket either on mailing list or next time.
20:42:26 <pravins> #topic Fedora 25 planning
20:42:27 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/24
20:42:40 <jibec> smooge: disagreement if we should keep piwiki as is (Zanata/RH controlled), remove it, or accepting to remove any personnal data and give community admin access
20:42:56 <smooge> ip addresses are logged in many places by many different parties including many of the the isp's that your packets are crossing
20:43:03 <pravins> Unfortunately we do not have talking points for Fedroa trans team
20:43:13 <pravins> We need someone to take over this and create some talking points.
20:43:27 <noriko> smooge, I feel that the issue beyonds the point we can say yes or no to remove.
20:43:34 <pravins> It can be something  like language with 100% or 80% + translations.
20:44:20 <pravins> Anyone interested in writing Talking points from translation team for Fedora 25?
20:45:24 <geohas> pravins, let this the meetbot do
20:45:33 <jibec> I did it for french https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibecfed/F25-pr%C3%A9sentation_communaut%C3%A9_francophone
20:45:45 <pravins> wow, that nice.
20:45:47 <jibec> but for global talking point, we need stats
20:45:53 <jibec> wich I do not have
20:46:17 <pravins> aeng_: as usual, can help with it.
20:46:40 <pravins> jibec: page looks nice.
20:46:56 <jibec> thank you, french marketing team asked for it
20:47:03 <pravins> nice.
20:47:12 <Kohane> yes, very nice
20:47:25 <aeng_> pravins: ?
20:47:52 <pravins> aeng_: some stats required for preparing Fedora 25 talking points for translations.
20:48:03 <pravins> jibec: may be you can send email, with the requirement.
20:48:04 <jibec> if aeng_ provides stats, it's not too difficult to produce for F25, but we need to iterate a lot to find and use usefull numbers, it depends on his availability
20:48:24 <Protoanima> i said to the spanish team befor, i would like to translate F24 installation guide. but perhaps it would be  better to do that with F25 IG
20:48:42 <pravins> Protoanima: with F25 now :)
20:48:53 <pravins> i means, with F26 ...
20:48:57 <Protoanima> ok
20:49:02 <Protoanima> 26?
20:49:06 <jibec> Protoanima, Pravins: there is nothing from docs team published for F25 in Zanata
20:49:15 <Protoanima> i'll check if there are documents
20:49:20 <Kohane> F25 is about to be released
20:49:35 <jibec> please see: https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issue/30
20:49:45 <pravins> #info Docs team has not published Installation guide in Zanata
20:49:56 <jibec> Kohane:yep, but even F24 translated content wasn't published
20:50:17 <jibec> please see: https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issue/28
20:50:29 <Protoanima> then how can i help?
20:50:35 <pravins> i thought, F26 is fine, since we have good time for it now. F25 only 1 week.
20:50:41 <jibec> you can't with docs, wait and see ;)
20:50:57 <pravins> Protoanima: do comment on this ticket regarding, you want to translate but its now available,
20:51:26 <pravins> We already have long meeting
20:51:34 <pravins> from 1 hr to already almost 1.5 hr
20:51:37 <Protoanima> can't find documents for f26
20:52:04 <pravins> Protoanima: yeah, as said by jibec , it not available for f24 as well. So we need to ping.
20:52:10 <pravins> Lets wrap up here.
20:52:18 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
20:52:33 <Protoanima> ok
20:52:45 <pravins> any urgent points, if we missed.
20:53:02 <skamath> noriko, can you approve my membership here : https://fedora.zanata.org/language/view/ml?dswid=3634
20:53:10 <aeng_> ahhahaa, funny enough we worry about ip and username, where our log already got it anyway
20:53:42 <aeng_> even IRC bot
20:54:13 <jibec> aeng_: please keep your comments for the incomming council ticket, we'll have oppotunity to debate
20:54:23 <aeng_> im tired of all these
20:54:37 <noriko> skamath, user name 'vaveej'? right?
20:54:38 <noriko> done
20:54:40 <pravins> aeng: jibec its not matter of only piwik and zanata
20:54:44 <skamath> noriko, skamath
20:54:51 <noriko> arg
20:54:52 <pravins> its global issue and we need to find best practices around it.
20:55:00 <aeng_> skamath: done
20:55:10 <pravins> In fedora we already have lot of site and we just need to see what are we doing already.
20:55:13 <jibec> pravins: +1
20:55:19 <skamath> Thanks! :)
20:55:20 <pravins> Again i feel infra team can help here.
20:55:25 <smooge> how?
20:55:36 <noriko> thanks aeng
20:55:53 <pravins> smooge: since Infra managing many Websites etc.
20:56:01 <jibec> aeng_: and please note that you said Zanata is not Fedora related, so it's not like infrastructure-team managed
20:56:32 <aeng_> jibec: infra team already commented and mentioned they are doing the same thing
20:56:41 <aeng_> which means your ip, username is all over the place right now
20:57:23 <aeng_> the irc you;re in right now, its has your ip and username too
20:57:32 <aeng_> better use VPN and tunnel
20:57:34 <noriko> in that case there is no point for zanata to stop...
20:57:57 <pravins> noriko: yeah, as i said. Zanata is not only portal we are managing in Fedora.
20:58:09 <aeng_> see
20:58:24 <pravins> This debate will not over here
20:58:26 <aeng_> even i can search for your ip region in irc
20:58:27 <Protoanima> aeng: i'll take your word for that
20:58:30 <pravins> at least in Open floor :)
20:58:41 <pravins> so lets stop here
20:59:03 <pravins> Thanks all for the meeting. Lets try to meet soon again, till that lets have discussion in mailing list.
20:59:11 <pravins> #endmeeting