00:58:58 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 00:58:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Nov 4 00:58:58 2016 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:58:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:58:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 00:59:00 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 00:59:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 00:59:10 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 00:59:17 <reher> hi award3535! 00:59:22 <mikedep333> ohai! 00:59:32 <award3535> evening reher mikedep333 00:59:37 <reher> hey mikedep333 00:59:44 <award3535> #chair reher mikedep333 00:59:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 mikedep333 reher 01:00:03 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor 01:00:04 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com> 01:00:11 <award3535> #chair danofsatx 01:00:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 danofsatx mikedep333 reher 01:00:39 <award3535> dansofsatx you should now be danofcenfl 01:00:53 <award3535> #chair jsandys 01:00:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 danofsatx jsandys mikedep333 reher 01:00:54 <danofsatx> award3535: sorry I missed you last weekend, it totally slipped my mind until you reminded me Saturday and I was busy all day Sunday 01:01:15 <award3535> no worries, we had a great time if you saw my fb posts 01:01:19 <danofsatx> that's not decided yet - If I decide to stay, I'll just change it to my fas name ;) 01:01:21 <jflory7> .hello jflory7 01:01:22 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com> 01:01:32 <award3535> #chair jflory7 01:01:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 danofsatx jflory7 jsandys mikedep333 reher 01:01:37 <jflory7> Evening! 01:01:51 <jflory7> Looks like a busy evening. :) 01:02:01 <reher> hey jflory7 01:02:17 <jflory7> +1 for danofcenfl - lol 01:02:19 <jflory7> reher: Hiya! 01:02:58 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:03:01 <danofsatx> and it would be danoftpa ;) 01:03:27 <jsandys> Driving for 5 more minutes 01:03:42 <danofsatx> no texting while driving! 01:03:48 <award3535> either way danofsatx, I hope you stay, I am always in central florida, we definitely will have to meet up 01:03:49 <danofsatx> .fire jsandys 01:03:49 <zodbot> adamw fires jsandys 01:04:02 * jflory7 has some to share 01:04:12 <award3535> jflory7 go 01:04:14 <jflory7> #info === "Heroes of Fedora (HoF) – F25 Beta" === 01:04:16 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/heroes-of-fedora-hof-f25-beta/ 01:05:03 <jflory7> #info The latest edition in the Fedora 25 Heroes of Fedora series is out. See some of the top contributors during the Fedora 25 Alpha to Beta phase, and if you helped test, look for your name on the list! 01:05:04 <award3535> jflory7 read that on FB today as well 01:05:21 <jflory7> #info === "Test Day: Better Switchable Graphics Support" === 01:05:25 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/test-day-better-switchable-graphics-support/ 01:06:05 <jflory7> #info Today, Nov. 3, was the Test Day for Switchable Graphics Support (that is, laptops with a dedicated graphics chip and integrated graphics). However, it's not too late to help! If you have a laptop that has a dedicated GPU, feel free to read on for how you can get involved. 01:06:08 <reher> jflory7, I'll make it to that list for F26 ;) 01:06:25 <jflory7> reher++ Awesome! 01:06:33 <jflory7> #info === How to get on Fedora social media === 01:06:34 <jflory7> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/social-media%40lists.fedoraproject.org/ 01:07:22 <jflory7> #info If you are planning on an event or are at an event, you can get photos and quick shoutouts posted on the Fedora social media accounts! Subscribe to the mailing list, and if you have something to share, feel free to send it over to this list. This includes: Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Telegram, Reddit, Instagram, and more... 01:07:25 <jflory7> <eof> 01:07:38 <jflory7> juggler: o/ 01:07:57 <juggler> o/ jflory7 01:08:11 <award3535> #chair juggler 01:08:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 danofsatx jflory7 jsandys juggler mikedep333 reher 01:08:19 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:08:34 <award3535> https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:08:47 <award3535> .famnaticket 154 01:08:49 <zodbot> award3535: #154 (FAmNA Budget sheet) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/154 01:09:47 <jflory7> award3535++ Thank you as always for helping keep this up to date. Was talking with some folks from other regions and they were amazed that we had this all together, and LATAM was going to try following our lead for the next fiscal year. 01:09:56 <award3535> I am currently reworking the spread sheet to something easier than what was given. since no one but us in concerned other than the final numbers I think we need a better and easier sheet 01:10:22 <jflory7> It would definitely be nice to have an easier-to-read one for the next FY. Or do you mean reworking the existing one? 01:10:42 <award3535> I will rework the existing and for next FY 01:10:47 <jflory7> Oh, wow! 01:10:52 <jflory7> .thank award3535 01:10:52 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks award3535 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to award3535++ also) 01:11:43 <mikedep333> award3535++ 01:11:43 <zodbot> mikedep333: Karma for award3535 changed to 7 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 01:11:46 <award3535> unfortunately, my job sent me to microsoft excel to be a level 4 expert, but that carries over to libre as well 01:12:08 * danofsatx spits on excel 01:12:13 <jflory7> Heh, that definitely works 01:12:27 <jflory7> As far as the ticket goes, I have nothing else to bring up since last week's discussion 01:12:31 <award3535> yeah I didnt have to pay for it 01:12:43 * mikedep333 just switched from an all-windows-desktop shop to a mostly-linux-desktop shop 01:13:01 <jflory7> mikedep333: Awesome :) 01:13:10 <award3535> yes there is nothing new except the receipts jsandys sent me for some of the expenses on SEAGuL 01:13:16 * danofsatx is stuck in a world of using Windows to manage a RHEL network 01:13:26 <danofsatx> talk about torture.... 01:13:39 <award3535> danofsatx sounds like a government job 01:13:45 <jflory7> lol 01:13:59 <danofsatx> 'tis.... 01:14:07 <award3535> as well as mine..... 01:14:16 <award3535> feel the same pain 01:14:35 <award3535> .famnaticket 159 01:14:36 <zodbot> award3535: #159 (Migrating to Pagure) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/159 01:14:38 <juggler> mikedep333: nice 01:14:49 <award3535> jflory7 this one is yours 01:14:53 <jflory7> Yep! 01:15:07 <jflory7> It's a long ticket, but I'll give a quick summary here 01:15:39 <jflory7> Basically... Trac is sunsetting in February 2017. We need to find a new place to move to. Pagure offers the best option to preserve history and set up a similar workflow. 01:16:00 <jflory7> I have a test repository of how it might look, but I haven't fully configured it since it's a test repository and I'd have to do it all over again 01:16:07 <jflory7> #link https://stg.pagure.io/stg-famna/issues 01:16:29 <jflory7> Basically, the tags would be nicer / more organized, and there would be priorities and milestones for tickets (that's all that's really missing) 01:16:49 <juggler> milestones, yay! 01:16:53 <jflory7> If FAmNA approves by vote, we can work on migrating the main Trac first, possibly even by the next meeting 01:17:12 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder 01:17:13 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 01:17:19 <award3535> my concern is permissions 01:17:24 <jflory7> After then, we can try the FAmNA Requests one (we can actually import all of the tickets in that Trac into Pagure as private tickets by default, a feature I requested specifically for us). :) 01:17:35 <jflory7> But for now, this is just the main FAmNA Trac... 01:17:48 <jflory7> award3535: Sure, what do you mean? 01:18:19 <award3535> would I maintain visiability and access to the ones I have now, such as admin rights 01:18:39 * jflory7 nods 01:18:39 <juggler> my mini-concern is knowing the migration schedule and where to write to which repo on what dates.. 01:19:21 <jflory7> Assuming you mean for the Requests Trac? For that one, we would create a Pagure group, e.g. famna-private, add anyone who needs to see info like addresses and receipts, and only that group would be able to view the tickets. 01:19:37 <jflory7> Nobody that is not in the group would be able to view any of the private tickets. 01:19:54 <award3535> jflory7 here is my concern, to edit, update, and close tickets in the groups I already have access to 01:19:54 <linuxmodder> that is normal already no? 01:20:12 <jflory7> Before, the concern was how we would move that data from the private Trac into Pagure, but the importer tool just recently added support for importing Trac to private Pagure issues. 01:20:31 <jflory7> award3535: I see – yes, nothing would change for tickets you already have access to. You would be able to modify them like you would now. 01:20:58 <jflory7> The importer tool keeps things backwards-compatible, so past history is preserved, we would just have to implement the permissions part (described above). 01:21:25 <award3535> hopefully, when the migration occurs I would not have problems, migration always creates bugs 01:21:25 <jflory7> linuxmodder: For private Pagure issues and people who are in a group that is added to a repo, yes, it is normal. 01:21:49 <linuxmodder> tehn what am I missing? 01:22:19 <jflory7> award3535: This ticket was mostly dealing with the main FAmNA Trac. I would need to do some more research and probably a new ticket for the Requests Trac. It would also require someone with privileges adding me as a Trac admin to the FAmNA Requests Trac. 01:22:24 * linuxmodder is still a bit foogy with pagure 01:22:37 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I think you are probably one step ahead. :) 01:22:53 <linuxmodder> that would be change in this realm :) 01:23:04 * juggler is foggy too heh 01:23:22 * danofsatx needs another beer to be sure he's foggy 01:23:29 <jflory7> Heh. 01:23:34 <award3535> pagure is not as friendly as Trac just will take some getting used to 01:23:49 <juggler> ha 01:23:55 <jflory7> Yeah, sadly there will be some pains at first, but I think it will ease as time goes on. 01:23:57 <award3535> I had some exposure with remy and the budget process 01:24:10 <linuxmodder> I prefer pagure personally jsut not the wiz with it I'd like to be 01:24:24 <linuxmodder> award3535, anything budget will suck tho 01:24:32 <juggler> not as friendly as Trac = uh oh? :) 01:24:41 <award3535> and that is where I ran into the first problem, which I have still not had an answer on access 01:24:44 <jflory7> That experience is also not helped by the fact that the budget process was never finalized and fully defined (but with bexelbie as the FCAIC, we should be getting that soon). 01:25:24 <award3535> hopefully they model after us 01:25:28 <jflory7> Anyways... if we want to put the main FAmNA Trac migration to a vote, we can go ahead and wrap up here if there are not any more questions. 01:25:53 <jsandys> It would be nice to track expense milestones 01:25:55 <jflory7> award3535: Yes, there are also other regions watching what we do on this Trac=>Pagure migration to try to model how we do it. :) 01:26:23 <jflory7> jsandys: Actually, yeah, instead of tracking by Fedora releases, we could do it by fiscal year dates instead for the milestones. 01:26:33 <juggler> as long as there is a working backup somewhere, I could vote ;) 01:26:53 <jflory7> juggler: Indeed, and that's a good point too - the Trac data will be preserved and can always be accessed if needed. 01:27:25 <linuxmodder> as read only? 01:27:49 <award3535> jflory7 are we in need to vote for approval of moving to pagure? 01:27:52 <juggler> good thought linuxmodder 01:28:39 <juggler> btw, do we go into some technical debt by staying on Trac? 01:28:50 <jflory7> award3535: Well, it was a pretty drastic change, so I figured a vote would make sense. But I guess we don't really have much of a choice anyways. 01:28:52 <juggler> and if that's been asked, apologies 01:29:01 <jflory7> I can try to make the full migration on Sunday. 01:29:47 <award3535> jflory7 agreed, we do not have a choice, but I would like to migrate and test before we drop Trac in read only 01:29:49 <juggler> if we don't really have much of a choice, a vote would be moot right? 01:30:18 * jflory7 nods 01:30:34 <award3535> so if we move and try, find the issues and move on from there 01:30:49 <jflory7> award3535: Acknowledged. I'll aim to do this Sunday night when I get back home, and I'll share a status update on the mailing list when I do. 01:31:12 <award3535> jflory7 agreed, also update the Trac ticket as well 01:31:14 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Migrate the FAmNA Trac to Pagure, share status on mailing list when migrated due:2016-11-06T23:59 01:31:17 * jflory7 nods 01:31:20 <jflory7> I will do that now. 01:31:35 <juggler> thx jflory7 01:31:48 <award3535> ok moving on.... 01:31:48 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:32:02 <linuxmodder> were we able to talk on LISA ? 01:32:23 <linuxmodder> apoligizes not in meeting section 01:32:37 <award3535> yes there was some questions on LISA last week 01:32:45 <jsandys> Got buttonss, shirts on order for SeaGL 01:32:46 <linuxmodder> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LISA_2016 01:32:53 <linuxmodder> award3535, like ? 01:33:08 <linuxmodder> anyone with any not answered by current page ask away 01:33:17 <award3535> just what you posted, expenses 01:33:26 <jflory7> jsandys++ Awesome! Grab some pictures to share once you get them. :) 01:33:36 <linuxmodder> hope is to stay under $750-800 01:33:54 <linuxmodder> still waiting on more numbers for travel from mikedep333 01:34:30 <jsandys> Pictures on the wiki for the event, SeaGL 2016 01:34:35 <mikedep333> my travel costs were between $60 and $100 last I checked. 01:34:38 <mikedep333> let me check amtrak now 01:34:50 <linuxmodder> not on the wiki yet but mattdm had indicated on email he might be able to get expo only passes in limited quantity for contrib 01:35:05 <linuxmodder> I ballparked $100 iirc 01:35:24 <mikedep333> yes 01:35:26 <juggler> uh oh...my laptop is dying here 01:35:48 <linuxmodder> kk4ewt, nb you said $200 on shipping yes or was I imagining that ? 01:35:59 <juggler> <--- may be cutting out soon 01:36:12 <linuxmodder> noted 01:36:23 <linuxmodder> any other questions on LISA ? 01:36:44 <jflory7> Oh, one quick request I need to make... 01:36:45 <award3535> linuxmodder do you need a vote tonight or next week 01:36:52 <juggler> are all ambassadors for LISA assigned? :) 01:37:14 <jflory7> #help All Ambassadors: Please make sure you sign into Pagure at least once with your FAS credentials so that you have an account created in Pagure! 01:37:14 <linuxmodder> tonight no, but I'd like to have one by the 16th award3535 01:37:17 <award3535> juggler , limited to two by conference 01:37:24 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/ 01:37:30 <mikedep333> It looks like it will be $62 or $82 for my train ticket. 01:37:50 <mikedep333> the sooner I order it, the cheaper. 01:37:57 <linuxmodder> award3535, atm its three of us (with mattdm ) and nb as a possible 01:38:12 <award3535> linuxmodder, I would bring it up at next weeks meeting, i think we can swing it with the budget 01:38:19 <linuxmodder> mikedep333, myself and mattdm confirmed 01:38:27 <mikedep333> yes 01:38:37 <linuxmodder> award3535, noted and I hope to have more solid ballpark by then 01:39:06 <award3535> linuxmodder nb will need to be solid confirmation and is he traveling on his company dime or ours 01:39:30 <linuxmodder> uni -- his boss has given the nod waiting his dept heads nod 01:39:38 <linuxmodder> award3535, % 01:40:26 <award3535> if nb is traveling on us Fedora we may not be able to swing the cost since we need banners and table cloths replaced 01:41:01 <award3535> linuxmodder got it uni, had to think on that a second 01:41:06 <linuxmodder> he stated he'd be on uni or his dime if he comes 01:41:25 <award3535> ok, that works! 01:41:57 <award3535> linuxmodder, please have it ready for next week, I would like to get it approved. 01:42:23 <linuxmodder> and as I understand it tha twoul dbe them picking up his lodging too but need to confirm that last bit 01:43:22 <linuxmodder> atm its planned that mikedep333 and would be sharing a 2 bed room to save money 01:43:42 <award3535> no worries, if uni is picking up the tab, they were good during SELF, paid for his entire trip 01:44:04 <linuxmodder> noted 01:45:03 <award3535> ok, anything else for the open floor 01:45:08 <linuxmodder> nfm 01:45:08 * jflory7 doesn't have anything 01:45:20 <jflory7> Just try to get any last comments for tickets into Trac before Friday 01:45:31 <linuxmodder> jflory7, I have an email for you tonight on a few things heads up 01:45:34 <jflory7> Otherwise it may get stuck in Trac after the migration happens 01:45:46 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Excellent, I might be able to get to it before I depart (leaving in another four hours) 01:46:00 <linuxmodder> I might not have it done by then :) 01:46:05 <linuxmodder> still backed up here 01:46:12 <jflory7> Hahah, no worries then. Whenever you have the time. 01:46:34 * linuxmodder out 01:47:05 <award3535> Ok folks thank you all for attending, see you all next week..... 01:47:27 <jflory7> .thank award3535 01:47:27 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks award3535 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to award3535++ also) 01:47:29 <jsandys> Thanks 01:47:31 <jflory7> Thanks for chairing as always :) 01:47:43 <reher> thanks award3535 01:48:07 <award3535> Well, thank you, but I couldn't do it without you all showing up! 01:48:27 <award3535> and all the work you all do to make Fedora work 01:48:40 <jflory7> :) 01:48:51 <award3535> #endmeeting