18:01:36 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2016-10-31)
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18:01:37 <mattdm> #meetingname council
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18:01:39 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb cwickert langdon robyduck tatica bexelbie
18:01:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie cwickert jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck tatica
18:01:41 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcome
18:01:45 <mattdm> trying again, but in correct channel :)
18:01:49 <jkurik> .hello jkurik
18:01:50 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
18:01:57 <mattdm> as I was saying in the other channel, it's been one of those mondays :)
18:01:59 <bexelbie> .hello bex
18:02:00 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
18:02:00 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
18:02:03 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
18:02:40 <mattdm> hi Jan, Christoph, Bex!
18:02:49 <jkurik> hi Matt
18:02:51 <langdon> .hello langdon
18:02:52 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
18:02:53 <mattdm> I think jwb is on a plane to Plumbers'
18:02:57 <mattdm> and langdon!
18:03:14 <mattdm> #topic Agenda
18:03:25 <mattdm> as I said in my email, this is an open floor session with no prepared agenda
18:03:26 <langdon> hi all! sorry i was a bit late
18:03:31 <mattdm> so, should we make one?
18:03:55 <bexelbie> I believe we should consider the funding requests and resolve them
18:03:56 <langdon> pshaw.. agenda smagenda
18:04:14 <mattdm> bexelbie good call
18:04:50 <mattdm> do you want to give a general public budget situation update?
18:05:01 <bexelbie> not really :P
18:05:02 <bexelbie> but sure
18:05:24 <mattdm> #topic Budget situation update
18:06:50 * mattdm listens to the calm chirp of many crickets
18:06:50 <bexelbie> So based on internal numbers that do not provide details, I am led to believe we have spent just over 50% of our funding.  We are over 50% of the way through the year.  I have a spreadsheet started to try and recreate this as best as I can.  I need to get some time to finish two of the regions and find some more of the flock $$.
18:07:05 <bexelbie> excuse me ... three regions
18:07:17 <mattdm> some more of the probably-spent flock money?
18:07:26 <bexelbie> yes
18:07:37 <bexelbie> I believe we underspent, I just can't confirm the amount yet
18:08:19 <bexelbie> This is also giving me a chance to create a spreadsheet based model to maintain our records next FY
18:08:36 <bexelbie> this can be replaced, if needed, once we know the pain points
18:08:42 <bexelbie> it should also allow us to do some reporting
18:08:47 <mattdm> that sounds great
18:09:02 <mattdm> the updated model and reporting, I mean. not the uncertainty :)
18:09:27 <bexelbie> Heisenberg, iirc, would disagree, but yes :)
18:09:52 <jkurik> how many $$ we are uncertain about ?
18:10:56 <bexelbie> jkurik, that is hard to directly answer.  But I do not have confirmation records for about 20K of Flock.
18:11:20 <bexelbie> Some of that is because of hte way some of it was booked.  For example, and unknown amount is buried in the Design FAD
18:11:28 <bexelbie> s/and/an/
18:11:40 <bexelbie> Other is true underspend
18:11:46 <bexelbie> and some is savings from VAT
18:12:08 <bexelbie> The records are in multiple currencies and the records will never be 100% accurate because the conversions from X to USD are not known
18:12:23 <jkurik> thanks for the qualified guess
18:12:31 <bexelbie> but if that was our only problem we'd be partying :)
18:12:44 * mattdm puts down the beverage
18:12:57 <bexelbie> I also need to complete trying to determine how much underspent, and I do believe they are underspent, the regions are
18:13:10 <bexelbie> and to work out an way to better manage the underspend that I can put forward to this august body :)
18:13:30 <bexelbie> Sirko is also predicting a 2K underspend by FUDCon APAC
18:13:51 <bexelbie> Which is helpful, as it will balance out some overspend at FUDCon LATAM.
18:14:06 <bexelbie> However, I am encouraging him to spend his budget usefully and not feel obligated to undersend
18:14:10 <bexelbie> underspend
18:14:16 * langdon notes his birthday is in august
18:14:52 <mattdm> langdon: so you will be donating your birthday money?
18:14:56 * bexelbie gives the budget to langdon as a gift :) Happy Belated Halloween :
18:15:16 <jkurik> langdon: that explains the $20k uncertainity from flock :)
18:15:18 * langdon says +1
18:15:21 <langdon> ha
18:16:42 <mattdm> okay, so, that's basically where we stand, yeah? anything more?
18:16:54 <bexelbie> not from me, barring questions
18:17:05 <mattdm> let's move on to....
18:17:09 <mattdm> #topic open budget requests
18:17:15 <mattdm> As far as I know, that's
18:17:22 <mattdm> #info Diversity Team FAD 2017
18:17:28 <mattdm> #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/73
18:17:36 <mattdm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Diversity_2017
18:17:44 <mattdm> #info requesting about $3000
18:18:02 <mattdm> #info and at our last meeting, we liked the Organize-around-devconf proposal
18:18:28 <mattdm> are there other open proposals I'm not seeing right now?
18:18:41 <bexelbie> T-shirts for translators
18:18:45 * bexelbie looks for the ticket
18:19:03 <mattdm> oh yeah. okay,
18:19:06 <mattdm> got it
18:19:20 * langdon also notes we should think about switching the name of that group to "inclusion" or similar which is the new PC term for diversity which is now considered, unsurprisingly, somewhat divisive
18:19:24 <mattdm> #info T-shirts for translators
18:19:27 <mattdm> #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/69
18:20:08 <mattdm> langdon: okay, but not right now :)
18:20:19 <langdon> mattdm, +1
18:20:29 <mattdm> This was a request for 500€
18:20:29 <langdon> someone commented on it to me..
18:20:46 <mattdm> #info request for ~ $550
18:20:49 <langdon> mattdm, how much is that in real money (speaking of inclusive!) ;)
18:20:52 <langdon> thanks
18:21:07 * langdon continues to giggle at himself
18:21:25 * mattdm lols for langdon's benefit
18:21:45 <mattdm> so, I'm +1 to both of these if bex is confidant we have the money
18:21:57 <langdon> so.. did we have anything "against" these to? it was just a question of how do we budget better so that we don't get these in ~oct, right?
18:22:05 <langdon> s/to/two
18:22:29 * mattdm scanning tickets now
18:22:50 <mattdm> #info tshirts are approved by lazy consensus in ticket
18:23:20 <mattdm> (with +1s from bex, jkurik, and robyduck)
18:24:19 <mattdm> So, the diversity fad....
18:25:19 <mattdm> Should I just call for consensus approval starting now?
18:25:42 <langdon> was it proposal 1 or 2?
18:26:07 <mattdm> money is about the same, but I think we were pretty sold collectively on #1 (devconf)
18:26:30 <langdon> right.. ok.. im +1 for that.. i would love to do the albania thing .. but i think its tough
18:26:36 <bexelbie> we need to state devconf because we aren't allocating for the next FY
18:26:54 * mattdm would love, someday, to visit albania,  but next may is not that day.
18:27:15 <langdon> bexelbie, good point
18:27:57 <mattdm> Ok, since no one is saying not to, I'll put call-for-votes in the ticket
18:29:20 <bexelbie> ok
18:29:48 <jkurik> lazy concensus with a deadline ?
18:30:11 <mattdm> yeah... one week?
18:31:20 <mattdm> lazy consensus on one week it is :)
18:31:36 <jkurik> yeah, one week is enough, imo
18:32:26 <mattdm> #topic okay what next
18:33:15 <mattdm> anyone have more to talk about? we've got some time :)
18:33:56 <langdon> how about a proposal to align europe and us daylight savings cutover date to confuse me less?
18:34:27 <bexelbie> actually
18:34:28 <mattdm> langdon: ooh, yes, good point.
18:34:36 <bexelbie> I'd love to see this meeting not shift later in Europe, if possible
18:34:59 <mattdm> #info oh no DST ends in the us before next week's meeting
18:35:13 <langdon> yeah
18:35:54 * bexelbie will be on a plane during our next meeting.
18:35:57 <mattdm> bexelbie: so, if we keep this at the same UTC time, it becomes an hour _earlier_, right?
18:36:08 <bexelbie> it will not shift later
18:36:08 * mattdm looks at clock with squinty eyes
18:36:12 <bexelbie> I think
18:36:23 * bexelbie has a timeache
18:36:35 <mattdm> why is this so hard?
18:36:36 <bexelbie> because we shift off of Summer Time in about 2 weeks, iir
18:36:38 <bexelbie> iirc
18:36:54 * langdon puts utc meetings in his calendar as iceland tz.. so it responds correctly
18:37:08 <langdon> sooo
18:37:29 <langdon> next week.. this mtg will be at 13h eastern 19h cest
18:37:55 <mattdm> and it's currently at 14h us/eastern and ??h cest
18:37:58 <jkurik> langdon: cest is over, now we have CET
18:38:03 <langdon> ohh right
18:38:05 <langdon> so..
18:38:11 <langdon> s/so/sorry
18:38:12 * mattdm is glad to not maintain tzinfo
18:38:17 <bexelbie> so ... actually we ended summertime on Saturday
18:38:23 <bexelbie> oh, you saw that jkurik  :)
18:38:36 <langdon> i forgot what the "S" stood for
18:38:40 <mattdm> bexelbie: so you are *already* living in the future?
18:38:56 <bexelbie> mattdm, based on my calendar's functionality, no :P
18:39:16 <jkurik> bexelbie: actually the summer time ended on Sunday at 3AM
18:39:23 <bexelbie> so it looks like if we don't make any changes, the calendar will be fine based on what is in fedocal
18:39:38 <bexelbie> jkurik, as I am not currently in Europe I am not required to observe the time as a condition of my visa :P
18:39:47 <jkurik> :)
18:39:50 <bexelbie> it is so weird for this meeting to occur during daylight
18:40:00 <mattdm> ok. so, unless anyone objects, leave time as it is now.
18:40:04 <langdon> now?
18:40:08 <jkurik> +1
18:40:09 <mattdm> on UTC.
18:40:10 <langdon> like utc?
18:40:15 <bexelbie> +1 no change
18:40:17 <mattdm> so it will switch to 13h in the US
18:40:18 <langdon> ok.. so moving for us next week
18:40:24 <langdon> right .. ok
18:40:27 <mattdm> langdon: meeting is staying still. we are moving :)
18:40:32 * mattdm spins the globe
18:40:57 <mattdm> #info Council meeting will stay at 18:00 UTC through switch from Daylight/Summer time
18:41:16 <langdon> mattdm, ha
18:41:17 <mattdm> #info which makes it effectively an hour earlier in places that are now (or just were) observing that
18:41:23 <mattdm> #info timezones are hard
18:41:35 <langdon> im said about how it will be colder next week when summer is over
18:41:43 <mattdm> #info Fedora officially adopts Swatch Internet Time Beats for everything from now on
18:41:47 <bexelbie> Perhaps we should entertain an F26 change to eliminate TZ support and simplify things
18:41:58 <langdon> bexelbie, +100
18:42:29 <mattdm> ok. so on that note, back to digging out from under a pile of email for me?
18:42:45 <langdon> +1.. im behind too
18:42:58 <bexelbie> +1 to mattdm digging out my email
18:43:28 <langdon> bexelbie, +1
18:43:32 <mattdm> awesome. thanks everyone
18:43:35 <bexelbie> ty
18:43:41 <mattdm> bexelbie: just forward it all to me and i'll see what I can do
18:43:46 <mattdm> #endmeeting