01:00:05 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
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01:00:10 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
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01:00:24 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:00:25 <jflory7> mikedep333-work: Sounds like an exciting job. Awesome!
01:00:27 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
01:00:28 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
01:00:38 <award3535> #chair reher jflory7 mikedep333
01:00:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jflory7 mikedep333 reher
01:00:43 <jsandys> .hello jsandys
01:00:44 <zodbot> jsandys: jsandys 'Jeff Sandys' <jpsandys@gmail.com>
01:00:55 <award3535> #chair jsandys
01:00:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 jflory7 jsandys mikedep333 reher
01:01:20 <award3535> jsandys, I believe the bill in question was paid
01:01:26 <mikedep333-work> jflory7, yeah, the scientists use a supercomputer to study climate change
01:01:30 <mikedep333-work> anyway
01:01:50 <cydrobolt_> hi
01:01:59 <reher> hey there
01:02:06 <award3535> #chair cydrobolt
01:02:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt jflory7 jsandys mikedep333 reher
01:02:10 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor
01:02:11 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com>
01:02:11 <jsandys> OK, I will check with Bill Wright (LFNW)
01:02:20 <jflory7> mikedep333++
01:02:20 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for mikedep333 changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
01:02:34 <mikedep333-work> :)
01:02:52 <award3535> jsandys, there was some emails that floated back and forth from me and jzb
01:03:06 <award3535> and from what I understand it is taken care of
01:03:21 <award3535> #chair danofsatx
01:03:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx jflory7 jsandys mikedep333 reher
01:03:37 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:03:52 <award3535> jflory7 i know you have announcements
01:03:55 <jflory7> Yep!
01:04:01 <jflory7> #info === "Fedora 25 supplemental wallpapers" ===
01:04:03 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-25-supplemental-wallpapers/
01:04:13 <jflory7> #info The Fedora 25 Supplemental Wallpapers were selected this week. You can see what will be included in the upcoming release of Fedora 25 in this post.
01:04:26 <jflory7> #info === "Fedora at Ohio Linuxfest 2016" ===
01:04:30 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ohio-linuxfest-2016/
01:04:53 <jflory7> #info We recently attended Ohio Linuxfest 2016. Read more about the event in Southern_Gentlem / kk4ewt's event report on the Community Blog!
01:05:14 <jflory7> #info === "Raspberry Pi (2 and 3) support in Fedora 25 Beta!" ===
01:05:18 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/raspberry-pi-support-fedora-25-beta/
01:05:51 <jflory7> #info Fedora 25 will support Raspberry Pis (2 and 3). This is great news for hobbyists and definitely something to be aware of for the coming Fedora release!
01:06:09 <jflory7> #info === Don't forget release party plans! ===
01:06:11 <jsandys> I'm trying to set up a Pi2 for SeaGL
01:06:15 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseEvents
01:06:20 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/release-party/
01:06:41 <jflory7> #info Fedora 25 is currently slated for November 15. Don't forget to keep any planning or organizing in mind for Fedora 25 in coming weeks if you would like to organize something locally. Badges included!
01:06:45 <jflory7> eof
01:06:53 <jflory7> jsandys++ Awesome! That would be a cool thing to have.
01:07:51 <award3535> jflory7 why the releaseevents link
01:08:06 <award3535> nevermind....
01:08:28 <award3535> anything else before we move on....
01:08:41 * jflory7 is good
01:09:04 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
01:09:15 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:09:29 <award3535> .famnaticket 154
01:09:31 <zodbot> award3535: #154 (FAmNA Budget sheet) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/154
01:09:47 <award3535> latest sheet updated for end of month
01:10:27 <jflory7> award3535++
01:10:35 * jflory7 goes to take a quick lookover
01:12:04 <jsandys> What are the 3 dollar columns?
01:12:16 <jflory7> award3535: Just double-checking, allocated budget for the FY was $25,374, and we've currently spent / allocated $22,090, right?
01:13:03 <award3535> jflory7 so far yes but lets not forget we need to replace banners for events and get some new table cloths as well
01:13:12 <jflory7> The third column on the right was "adjusted", if I remembered correctly, but it's sort of confusing for me too
01:13:16 <jflory7> Right.
01:13:52 <jflory7> That leaves us with $3284 for new banners and the cloth, which I imagine will likely dip into that a fair bit...
01:13:55 <award3535> jsandys, I dont like the sheet and I will change it for next year, they have some sort of margin that they like to use for expenses
01:15:00 <award3535> jflory7 if you look at the very bottom of the sheet you will see what we have allocated and what we have spent so far
01:15:02 <jsandys> I assume the left column is budget, and one of the columns should be actuals
01:15:03 <jflory7> award3535: Not sure if you saw my tickets for BrickHack and WiCHacks in February. I'm trying to negotiate a partnership with Red Hat and possibly other groups to spread the cost, but I am waiting for feedback right now
01:15:04 * jflory7 nods
01:15:56 <jflory7> jsandys: Middle-column looks like actuals
01:16:13 <jflory7> I see now, you're right, jsandys
01:16:22 <jflory7> And award3535
01:16:29 <jflory7> Okay, so a little bit more, but not by too much
01:16:30 <award3535> jflory7 yes, and we may have some funds for them depending on what actual costs
01:17:30 <jflory7> Awesome. I'm hoping to get the BrickHack sponsorship cost lower than last year, and hopefully a no-sponsorship cost for WiCHacks... still doing research but once I start hearing back, I will update the tickets accordingly
01:17:33 <jsandys> SeaGL middle column says $1,780, should be $500 actual so far
01:18:06 <award3535> jsandys jflory7 the middle colom has a formula that adjusts it for a margin difference
01:19:26 <award3535> since there is no actual cost placed in the actual colom it screws up the center colom. Next year that colom is gone. We only need the approved amount and the actual expenses
01:19:49 <jsandys> Good
01:20:15 <jflory7> +1 to that, will make it easier to read.
01:20:20 <award3535> jsandys I left the actual amount out until we get your final total as long as you dont exceed the approved amount
01:20:48 <nb> hey
01:20:55 * nb forgot to file ticket but i have something
01:21:09 <jsandys> OK, has SeaGL been paid the $500
01:21:19 <jsandys> for the table
01:21:48 <award3535> jsandys, jflory7 the sheet was a Remy sheet and that is what he liked showed accounting terms of the center margin as the target
01:22:06 <award3535> jsandys the booth for SeaGL has been paid!
01:22:16 <jsandys> Great!
01:22:19 <award3535> I paid it
01:22:35 <award3535> in September that is....
01:22:51 <award3535> nb is this a pitch for media production
01:23:03 <nb> yes
01:23:05 <award3535> #chair nb
01:23:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx jflory7 jsandys mikedep333 nb reher
01:23:15 <nb> .famnaticket 158
01:23:17 <zodbot> nb: #158 (Fedora 25 media) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/158
01:23:25 <nb> requesting approval for $2,048.80 for 2,500 DVD media (including shipping)
01:23:35 <nb> same price as f24
01:23:49 <award3535> f24 cost us 1900
01:24:07 <nb> award3535, nope
01:24:11 <nb> award3535, 1900 + shipping
01:24:52 <nb> award3535, I'll email you the final invoice for f24, i thought I already had
01:24:53 <award3535> I did not see the shipping cost so I need to adjust the sheet.....  that is exactly why I need the invoice
01:25:10 <mikedep333-work> Given how less common DVD drives are becoming, should we really be buying as many DVDs as last year?
01:25:12 <nb> award3535, sent
01:25:19 <nb> mikedep333-work, yes, we are still giving out plenty
01:25:26 <mikedep333-work> OK
01:25:28 <nb> mikedep333-work, although 2,500 is a lot less than we used to give out
01:25:31 <award3535> nb I never got the final piece
01:25:38 <nb> we used to order significantly more media
01:25:44 <nb> award3535, I just sent you the final invoice for f24
01:25:55 <nb> $2,048.80
01:26:20 <nb> shit, i should not have attached the pdf quote to the famna ticket, it has our addresses in it
01:26:25 <nb> I didn't realize that
01:27:21 * nb requests approval for 2,500 DVDs for Fedora 25 at a total cost of $2,048.80
01:27:27 <nb> unless people have more discussion?
01:28:05 <jsandys> all 64bit workstation flavor?
01:28:13 <award3535> +1
01:28:14 <nb> jsandys, yes
01:28:17 <nb> +1
01:28:19 <jsandys> +1
01:28:21 <mikedep333-work> +1
01:29:02 <nb> jflory7, Southern_Gentlem kk4ewt ping
01:29:31 <award3535> I adjusted the budget sheet
01:29:59 <jflory7> +1, although it might be a good idea to cut back even a smaller amount in the future
01:30:26 <award3535> jflory7 we used to order 5k everytime so we have cut back
01:31:06 <nb> and we have switched suppliers to save 30-50% of the price
01:31:12 <nb> award3535, media will be in Q4
01:31:19 <nb> award3535, media will be in Q3, sorry, unless we slip a lot
01:31:31 <mikedep333-work> ;)
01:31:35 <jflory7> I guess it depends on the event, but some places I struggle to give them out. People have laughed at me when I offer the DVDs or turned them down because they don't have the drives. I know this isn't anything new and I don't want to beat a dead horse.
01:31:52 <jflory7> I also realize that most of my events in the past year are at a different type of place than a traditional Linux conference too
01:31:55 <award3535> #agreed nb to order 2.5K media F25
01:32:41 <jflory7> I just wonder if for F25, we could get away with an even smaller order... just my 2¢
01:32:43 <award3535> nb I will move it to Q3, since last year it was later in Q4
01:32:48 <nb> jflory7, I don't think so.
01:32:52 <jflory7> Errr, F26, I guess
01:32:56 <nb> I am -1 to reducing the media order, at least for f24
01:33:01 <nb> s/f24/f25/
01:33:08 <nb> jflory7, we will evaluate how much f25 we give out
01:33:12 <jflory7> Sorry, my comment just now was for F26
01:33:15 <nb> oh ok
01:33:29 <jflory7> nb: Yeah, I think we should pay extra close attention to distribution of the DVDs this round
01:34:21 <nb> award3535, oh, I added $100 to our stamps.com account
01:34:29 * jflory7 thinks we could probably save money by ordering fewer and still have the same impact, just putting some strategy behind how many discs we send to what events
01:34:32 <nb> does that go to your cc or ruth's? I think it still goes to ruth's
01:36:41 <award3535> nb that is a good question my thoughts its on ruths
01:37:08 <nb> so i'm not sure if it'll end up getting charged to our budget or to ruth's..... I sent her the receipt and never heard anything back
01:38:30 <award3535> nb complete a reimbursement ticket and flag me, please ensure receipt is attached
01:39:09 <nb> award3535, there is nothing to reimburse? It was charged directly to her
01:39:15 <nb> or do you mean just so you can track it?
01:40:04 <award3535> it should go to here, but if she says it belongs to Fedora I will add it, send me the receipt just in case
01:40:17 <nb> oh ok
01:40:58 <kk4ewt> jflory7,  to be truthful i think we have found our magic # for the media
01:42:21 <award3535> moving to open floor
01:42:23 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:42:37 * jflory7 shrugs
01:42:41 <jflory7> award3535: I do have one thing to share
01:43:02 <jsandys> I will submit the order for 15 Fedora Loves Python tee-shirts.  The invoice amount will be about $280 ($250 budgeted)
01:43:03 <award3535> go
01:43:31 <award3535> jsandys just make sure I get all receipts
01:43:36 <jsandys> 5 of these shirts are to satisify my promise to some LFNW attendees listed in https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/410
01:44:08 <jsandys> I also ordered 200 one inch buttons with the Fedora Loves Python logo for $49.
01:44:23 <jsandys> I will eat the cost on this if not approved.
01:44:34 <jflory7> A few days ago, the developer of the pagure-importer tool found the bug that was blocking me from looking further into the migration from Trac to Pagure. I'm playing around with the migration now, and I should have a definite proposal or plan ready to share by next week.
01:45:01 <jflory7> Although I haven't had time to play with it yet (just moments ago pushed the raw data from the importer), the first run should be visible here:
01:45:02 <jflory7> https://stg.pagure.io/stg-famna/issues
01:45:10 <nb> jsandys, +1 to approve it, although I think we should look into ordering bigger quantities and distriuting them to our shippers to have for different events
01:45:20 <nb> award3535, how is the budget looking overall?
01:45:51 <award3535> jsandys, as long as its under your approved budget we discussed that as event coord detailed to specific needs it was ok
01:46:07 <jsandys> Thanks
01:46:09 * jflory7 likes the idea of promoting the "Fedora <3 Python" campaign
01:46:13 <mikedep333-work> I have something to discuss.
01:46:49 <award3535> nb with all proposed events we have just over 4K, but we need to replace banners
01:47:06 <award3535> mikedep333 go
01:47:22 <mikedep333-work> linuxmodder, reached out to me about LISA16. He and mattdm are planning on attending it, and they would like me to join. The event lasts all week, but they only intend to attend (or only need me) from 12/8 through 12/9.
01:47:43 <mikedep333-work> However, I checked the wiki moments ago, and LISA16 isn't listed at all.
01:48:14 <jflory7> I also couldn't find it on the wiki when I looked
01:49:11 <award3535> mikedep333, LISA is not listed because mattdm is there to represent RH and linuxmodder is local to the area, so there are no costs, thus no event on wiki for Fedora
01:49:14 <kk4ewt> award3535,  and that is accounting for the media that we are ordering as well correct
01:49:24 <award3535> kk4ewt yes
01:49:25 <mikedep333-work> hmm
01:49:37 <mikedep333-work> linuxmodder is not local. he is like 300 miles away.
01:49:50 <mattdm> award3535, mikedep333-work  --- FWIW, mattdm is local to the area :)
01:50:08 <mikedep333-work> yeah, you Red Hatters in the Boston area :)
01:50:22 <mikedep333-work> I am willing to go on my own dime if I have to.
01:50:25 <award3535> LISA in boston this year, last year in DC
01:50:25 <mattdm> I *think* linuxmodder said he was going to make a wiki page, but I hadn't checked
01:50:38 <mikedep333-work> I can make the wiki page.
01:50:44 <award3535> #chair mattdm
01:50:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx jflory7 jsandys mattdm mikedep333 nb reher
01:50:48 <mattdm> mikedep333-work awesome.
01:50:59 <jflory7> mattdm: o/
01:51:04 <award3535> mattdm, welcome go to see you
01:51:27 <mikedep333-work> However, I would like to know if it is possible to get reimbursed for my travel/lodging, or if it is too late for that. I assume linuxmodder wants to know as well.
01:51:32 <mattdm> RH has a very limited number of conference passes, and I think we can get expo/booth passes no problem
01:52:04 <mattdm> the travel/lodging part is up to ambassadors, of course
01:52:18 <mikedep333-work> understood
01:52:24 <award3535> mikedep333 that is where those who are going to plan the event need to create and present the expenses
01:52:41 <mikedep333-work> OK
01:52:44 <kk4ewt> famnarequest have been made for media and the event box
01:52:51 <award3535> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_event_owner_guidelines
01:53:07 <award3535> I generated this link to help with the process
01:53:16 * mattdm can't stay -- just dropped in when I heard my name :)
01:53:16 <kk4ewt> mikedep333-work,  if you do the event page go ahead and do shipping for $200 please
01:53:18 <mattdm> award3535++
01:53:18 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for award3535 changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
01:53:33 * mattdm waves
01:53:37 <jflory7> mattdm: Good night!
01:53:50 <mikedep333-work> mattdm, good night!
01:54:20 <award3535> mikedep333 when is LISA
01:54:43 <mikedep333-work> The entire week of 12/4 - 12/9.
01:54:47 <nb> mikedep333-work, how much are you asking for?
01:55:05 <mikedep333-work> But again, linuxmodder asked me to only attend 12/8 & 12/9.
01:55:09 <award3535> just to warn, lodging in boston is not cheap
01:55:31 <mikedep333-work> According to my quick research, my travel costs by amtrak/NJ Transit are $70-$100.
01:55:38 <mikedep333-work> Lodging, I haven't checked yet.
01:56:36 <kk4ewt> 2 can share a room
01:56:51 <mikedep333-work> one second
01:56:54 <award3535> mikedep333, you have some time, please follow the link above and propose
01:56:56 <kk4ewt> banners i think will top out at 600
01:56:59 <mikedep333-work> it says $210/night, let me confirm that is for 2 beds
01:57:17 <mikedep333-work> will do, I should have it all done by next week's meeting
01:58:09 <mikedep333-work> yeah, 2 beds for 2 nights is $420 + charges & taxes = $460.69 at the conference venue
01:58:31 <mikedep333-work> perhaps I should look for someplace cheaper?
01:59:22 <award3535> mikedep333 you have some time..... then throw the pitch at the next meeting.....
01:59:48 <mikedep333-work> OK
02:00:08 <award3535> ok folks, time to give up the channel, good meeting...
02:00:13 <jsandys> Laura Abbott agreed to help at the SeaGl booth, thanks
02:00:54 <award3535> see everyone next week....
02:00:56 <award3535> #endmeeting