20:59:31 <jflory7> #startmeeting Fedora Magazine editorial meeting - 2016 Oct. 27
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20:59:34 <jflory7> #meetingname magazine
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20:59:40 <jflory7> #topic Roll Call
20:59:42 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:59:43 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
20:59:45 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:59:47 <jflory7> Morning, ryanlerch!
20:59:48 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
20:59:50 <jflory7> #chair ryanlerch
20:59:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 ryanlerch
20:59:53 <ryanlerch> morning jflory7!
21:00:31 * jflory7 is pulling up the proper tabs
21:02:15 <ryanlerch> jflory7: take your time!
21:02:19 <jflory7> stickster's email was awesome to see - had to chance to briefly read over it. :)
21:02:32 <ryanlerch> jflory7: yeah, amazing stats this week!
21:02:37 <jflory7> Awesome month! Let's keep this momentum rolling right up into F25!
21:03:02 <ryanlerch> yeah, gotta get the inkscape one out today
21:03:09 <jflory7> Ah, yup!
21:03:10 <ryanlerch> not sure about it at the moment though
21:03:30 <jflory7> Guess we can go ahead and get right on to it.
21:03:33 <jflory7> #topic Week in review
21:04:00 <jflory7> #info Record numbers for non-release month this past week and all month! More information about metrics is in Paul's email on the mailing list.
21:04:15 <ryanlerch> magazine++
21:04:35 <ryanlerch> stickster++
21:04:37 * jflory7 fishes for a link to that thread
21:05:18 <jflory7> Huh, lists.fp.o timing out for me right now...
21:05:19 <jflory7> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/
21:05:24 <jflory7> Will assume it will be visible later :P
21:05:34 <jflory7> #topic Pending review
21:05:51 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Which one of the two was slated for Friday?
21:05:57 <jflory7> Layers or wallpapers?
21:06:06 <ryanlerch> jflory7: the wallpapers one
21:06:16 <ryanlerch> but both are still pretty advanced
21:06:23 <ryanlerch> from a user perspective
21:06:27 <jflory7> #info === "Create a simple wallpaper with Fedora and Inkscape" ===
21:06:33 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14921&preview=1&_ppp=155d837a41
21:06:53 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Hmmm, do you think it's something that can be softened enough for tomorrow, or would it be better to do something smaller here?
21:07:16 <ryanlerch> jflory7: i was thinkingof maybe doingsomething simpler and smaller
21:07:35 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Think you'll be able to turn it around in time?
21:07:38 <ryanlerch> which i can get done easily before tomorrow
21:07:50 <jflory7> Okay, awesome.
21:08:04 <jflory7> Do you think the wallpaper one would be doable for next week?
21:08:14 <ryanlerch> jflory7: hmmm
21:08:31 <jflory7> Or maybe layers?
21:08:44 <ryanlerch> i think so -- it just introduces a lot of concepts
21:08:49 <ryanlerch> maybe i am just being silly
21:09:19 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Would it help to break a concept from this article out as a precursor?
21:09:32 * jflory7 hasn't had a chance to review either so not sure if this makes sense in context
21:09:51 <ryanlerch> yeah, so the inital one just introducted creating and making shapes
21:10:15 <ryanlerch> the wallpaper one introduces document sizes, fill and stroke, gradients, exporting
21:10:43 <ryanlerch> was thinking of doing the fill and stroke this week
21:11:02 <ryanlerch> then i think we can fit the wallpaper one in, adding document sizes and gradients
21:11:12 * jflory7 nods
21:11:16 <ryanlerch> jflory7: okies, i think i got it
21:11:23 <ryanlerch> sorry, just nutting it out
21:11:24 <jflory7> So Fill&Stroke this week, Wallpaper next week, Layers the week after?
21:11:29 <jflory7> Yeah, no problem!
21:11:33 <jflory7> ryanlerch++
21:11:37 <ryanlerch> layers maybe a lot later
21:11:39 <ryanlerch> :)
21:11:43 <jflory7> Gotcha, okay.
21:11:47 <jflory7> I'll get this in the minutes
21:12:19 <jflory7> #info Determined the wallpaper article is still an advanced concept to follow up on last week's introduction - going to abstract out one more concept before getting the Wallpaper Inkscape article to the publishing schedule
21:12:42 <jflory7> #action ryanlerch Write an introduction to Fill and Stroke in Inkscape for Friday, 2016 Oct. 28
21:13:06 <jflory7> #action ryanlerch Review and prepare Inkscape wallpaper article for Friday, 2016 Nov. 4
21:13:18 <jflory7> #info === "Inkscape: Getting started with layers" ===
21:13:23 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14922&preview=1&_ppp=db698ea158
21:13:35 <jflory7> #info This article will be used farther along in the series, will revisit at a later time
21:13:45 <ryanlerch> jflory7: we should holding pen this one for now
21:13:45 <jflory7> #topic Drafts
21:13:48 <jflory7> #undo
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21:13:56 <jflory7> #agreed Will move this article into the holding pen
21:14:04 <jflory7> #topic Drafts
21:14:11 <ryanlerch> sorry for disrupting the minutes :/
21:14:26 <jflory7> ryanlerch: This is why we have #undo. :)
21:14:42 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:15:28 <jflory7> Okay, so we were hoping to get through some of the longer-sitting drafts in the queue at this meeting
21:15:34 <jflory7> I can give a quick update on two
21:15:45 <jflory7> #info === "C99 feature support in GCC on Fedora Linux" ===
21:15:49 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14646&preview=1&_ppp=2397efa84a
21:16:44 <jflory7> #info stickster reached out to a Fedora GCC maintainer for feedback, passed along those comments and feedback to the original author - have not yet received a response back, but if no word back by next week, this article can be moved to holding pen if we are unable to finish it
21:17:13 <jflory7> #info === "What is Fedora Hubs?" ===
21:17:17 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14310&preview=1&_ppp=94f452606e
21:17:47 <jflory7> #info jflory7 reached out to devyani7 on this article a while back and she has made some progress on writing it, but will follow up to see if we can set a target date for this one
21:18:00 <jflory7> #info === "Starting with Python in Fedora" ===
21:18:05 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14577&preview=1&_ppp=fa7cd0a3cf
21:18:23 <jflory7> Okay, and this one I think there was some mailing list discussion on earlier today. Let me double-check really quick
21:18:34 <jflory7> Oh, and also
21:18:51 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Reach out to devyani7 about setting a target date for Fedora Hubs intro article
21:19:23 <jflory7> x3mboy seems to have dropped off right before the meeting
21:19:24 <jflory7> Hmmm.
21:19:33 <ryanlerch> hmmm
21:19:39 <jflory7> He did some editing to it but was hoping to get some more feedback. Going to take a quick read
21:20:03 <ryanlerch> jflory7: on the python one?
21:20:40 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Yeah. There's some info towards the bottom with virtualenvs I think he added.
21:21:08 <jflory7> I think it still needs some more specifics and maybe tooling recommendations
21:21:53 <jflory7> I think it would be helpful to this article to restructure how it's written
21:22:00 <jflory7> Perhaps like...
21:22:45 <jflory7> Introducing Python in Fedora => Finding a development environment => Popular tools and Python tricks => Where to get help / learn more about Python in Fedora
21:23:07 <jflory7> The current structure seems a little confusing to me since it's a lot of abstract content
21:23:34 <ryanlerch> yeah, i have to agree with you on this
21:23:46 <jflory7> I might recommend to x3mboy to try starting from a blank slate and picking pieces from the old one and adding in more
21:24:08 <ryanlerch> pointing out that you can install libraries from the repos, or with pip in a virtualenv
21:24:38 <ryanlerch> then a simple first program might be good too here
21:24:44 <jflory7> #idea Current article structure is a little confusing since it's a lot of abstract content - might be good idea to restructure article from a blank slate and cherry pick pieces from original
21:24:53 <jflory7> #idea Writing a "Hello world!" program as first task in this article
21:25:29 <jflory7> #idea Introducing Python in Fedora => Finding a development environment (installing libraries and IDEs from repos, etc.) => Popular tools and Python tricks (pip in virtualenv, etc.) => Where to get help / learn more about Python in Fedora
21:26:16 <jflory7> Since I know x3mboy is currently working on this article, I think I will tentatively action him to try a rewrite of the article with this feedback and go from there. If he doesn't have the time to do this, we can revisit then.
21:26:32 <jflory7> #nick x3mboy
21:27:10 <ryanlerch> jflory7: sounds like aplan to me!
21:27:32 <jflory7> #action x3mboy Based on feedback from meeting, try rewriting the "Starting with Python in Fedora" from a blank slate, cherry-picking content from original article and adding in new pieces, aim for checking in at next week's meeting
21:27:45 <jflory7> Okay, excellent.
21:28:14 <jflory7> #action jflory7 File a featured image ticket for "Starting with Python in Fedora" in the fedoramagazine-images repo
21:29:19 <jflory7> #info === "Getting started with WebVR on Fedora" ===
21:29:23 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14475&preview=1&_ppp=4f214a5a7c
21:29:56 <jflory7> I had talked with Sumantro on this one, but he was hoping for some more feedback on content. I was looking for some comments from past meetings but I had troubles tracking it down.
21:30:15 <jflory7> He was more than receptive to work on the article, but I think it was just a communication breakdown somewhere on this one.
21:30:25 <ryanlerch> jflory7: yeah IIRC we havent really discussed this one too much
21:30:52 <jflory7> Yeah, it hasn't been too heavily covered. I know Paul was working on edits in the article, but he hadn't finished it yet.
21:30:53 <ryanlerch> mainly because most of us are unfamilar with the subject matter
21:30:56 <jflory7> Right
21:31:58 <jflory7> So, I think the best way to make progress on this one is for Paul to email Sumantro either directly or on the list with some or any of the things he was hoping to see changed.
21:32:15 <ryanlerch> and pictures!
21:32:20 <jflory7> Yes!
21:32:34 <jflory7> #idea Pictures would help improve this article!
21:32:39 <ryanlerch> its hard to get excited about a VR thing, when all i can see is terminal screenshots :)
21:33:03 <jflory7> Mhmm
21:33:31 <jflory7> #idea Screenshots of terminal output can be converted to plaintext in the article post - screenshots of the final product would be helpful or other examples of projects
21:34:04 <jflory7> I'm also going to tentatively action Paul to reach out to sumantro next week on this one.
21:34:11 <jflory7> #nick stickster
21:34:19 <jflory7> #nick sumantrom
21:34:33 <ryanlerch> +1 from me
21:34:51 <jflory7> #action stickster Reach out to sumantrom with editing advice / comments / feedback on the Web VR article and how to refine it further into a polished piece for the Magazine
21:35:13 <jflory7> #info Otherwise, if unable to make progress by end of next week, move this article to holding pen
21:35:28 <ryanlerch> jflory7: +1 from me on that plan
21:35:34 * jflory7 nods
21:35:59 <jflory7> Hmmm, not sure where to jump into these security tips articles. Going to peek inside a few really quick
21:37:25 <jflory7> #info === Security Tip articles ===
21:37:37 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14609&preview=1&_ppp=f16f2b8c2e
21:37:39 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14604&preview=1&_ppp=dfdcb2a028
21:37:45 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14606&preview=1&_ppp=b0fa06eb71
21:37:53 <jflory7> A lot of these are general, abstracted tips
21:38:11 <jflory7> Some of those could be useful in an article. Other things, like recommending ad blockers, is dangerous territory
21:38:30 <jflory7> People tend to feel very strongly about ad blockers from an ethical perspective (pro and con), so I'd rather avoid touching things like that
21:38:50 <ryanlerch> yeah, good catch -- we def want to stay away from that
21:38:50 <jflory7> On the other hand, something about "how to protect your privacy in Firefox" could be helpful for add-ons like Ghostery / Privacy Badger
21:38:59 <jflory7> I think those are fair game and neutral
21:40:07 <jflory7> #idea Converting "Security Tips 3" into "How to protect your privacy in Firefox", explaining add-ons like Ghostery and Privacy Badger
21:40:57 <ryanlerch> +1 to that idea~
21:41:19 * jflory7 is thinking of targeted ways to focus the other two
21:42:12 <jflory7> In #2, it mentions the topic of screen savers and screen locks
21:42:30 <jflory7> It could be cool to maybe do an article that dives into ways to customize and use alternate ones, but I have *no* idea what's out there.
21:43:21 <ryanlerch> yeah, i'm a little "hmmm" aout this whole series
21:43:25 <jflory7> Yeah
21:44:00 <jflory7> I think I'm going to propose #1 and #2 getting moved into the bin for the reason that they could be better articles as things that are more specific / targeted
21:44:21 <ryanlerch> it might be better to approach all the tips but talk about a specific solution(s)
21:44:39 <jflory7> General principles are important, but for the Magazine, I'd like to help teach and show Fedora users how they can use tools and features available in Fedora to actively make efforts to secure their system or protect their privacy.
21:44:50 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Yeah, agreed.
21:45:10 <ryanlerch> jflory7: agreed! i think we are on the same page here -- you are just more articulate than me :)
21:45:15 <jflory7> For this reason, I'm going to suggest #1 and #2 get pushed to the holding pen, and I'll reach out to Sylvia with feedback on these.
21:45:49 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Some people might just say too wordy ;P
21:46:05 <jflory7> Anyways, going to go ahead and do that to these
21:46:22 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Move Security Tips #1 and #2 to holding pen, reach out to Sylvia with feedback about how to make improved versions of these
21:46:37 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Convert Security Tips #3 to "How to protect your privacy in Firefox", explaining add-ons like Ghostery and Privacy Badger
21:47:37 <jflory7> This thins out the drafts queue a fair bit
21:47:50 <jflory7> Content for next Monday and Wednesday is looking pretty thin
21:48:14 <ryanlerch> hmmm
21:48:17 <jflory7> Ohh, we have one pitch
21:48:20 <jflory7> #topic Pitch
21:48:37 <jflory7> One is still a WIP
21:48:56 <jflory7> #info === "Building Fedora Rawhide qcow2 images" ===
21:49:01 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=15006&preview=1&_ppp=f73733af10
21:49:21 * jflory7 quickly saves this as a draft instead of a pitch
21:49:48 <ryanlerch> yeah def a good article -- needs a bit of padding at the top
21:50:03 <ryanlerch> a bit more what and why, the how is good :)
21:50:03 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Agreed, some more introductory material
21:50:16 <jflory7> Agreed.
21:50:27 <ryanlerch> and there is some codes in pres
21:50:32 <ryanlerch> but other than that
21:50:35 <jflory7> #info Solid technical article that explains the "how" well
21:50:55 <jflory7> #idea More introduction to kickstarts, Rawhide, qcow2, etc. would be helpful to set the article up
21:51:28 <jflory7> #idea Maybe closing out the article with context / example of what you're using this for or what you would do with it after setting it up
21:52:02 <jflory7> As someone completely unfamiliar with kickstarts and qcow, there's a good number of questions I have. An intro to these things would def go a long way.
21:52:18 <jflory7> I can reach out to cpacheco on this one
21:52:31 <ryanlerch> yeah i had questions about Oz and imagefactory too
21:52:37 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Reach out to cpacheco with feedback on qcow2 article and improvements to make
21:52:46 <jflory7> #idea Introducing oz and imagefactory as well?
21:52:52 <jflory7> #topic Starter pitches
21:53:00 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=starter-pitches&post_type=post
21:53:13 <jflory7> Firstly, stickster++ for importing *all* of these as starter pitches
21:53:29 <jflory7> I can't and won't take credit for porting any of our ideas from last week to starter pitches
21:53:31 <jflory7> As a result...
21:53:31 <ryanlerch> woah 15!
21:53:42 <jflory7> I would love to put a "Call for writers" out to the list like we did for the Atom article
21:54:07 <jflory7> Can be for one or two articles, but I think the mailing list call is an effective way to try to attract new or beginning writers waiting for a chance to jump on something if prompted.
21:54:28 <ryanlerch> these are also good to give out to established writeres if we have a lean week
21:54:48 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Yeah, which is also what I was going to possibly suggest for this coming week
21:54:56 <jflory7> I would like to ride with something strong on Monday if possible
21:55:08 <ryanlerch> jflory7: the minecraft one ;)
21:55:09 <ryanlerch> ?
21:55:23 <jflory7> Hahah, yeah, I could actually get that one done and polished for Monday, I think
21:55:33 <jflory7> Also checking through for news on beta really quick for anything quick we could cover
21:55:46 <ryanlerch> jflory7: do we need to find you a SME to review it?
21:55:52 <ryanlerch> :D
21:55:57 <jflory7> SME?
21:56:04 <ryanlerch> subject matter expert
21:56:06 <jflory7> Senior Magazine Editor?
21:56:10 <jflory7> Heh, close ;)
21:56:32 <jflory7> I don't know, might be tough to find one for Minecraft here ;)
21:57:09 * jflory7 would love it if someone could do coverage on that SELinux Troubleshooter module in Cockpit
21:57:12 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 for the minecraft one from me
21:57:55 <ryanlerch> jflory7: is that in starter pitches
21:58:09 <jflory7> ryanlerch: It is currently.
21:58:20 <jflory7> I can move that over to drafts for me to take
21:58:28 <jflory7> #idea Python 3.6 hit Rawhide recently! This would be a super cool thing to cover!
21:58:38 <jflory7> Actually, hold on
21:58:39 <jflory7> #undo
21:58:39 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: IDEA by jflory7 at 21:58:28 : Python 3.6 hit Rawhide recently! This would be a super cool thing to cover!
21:58:55 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Write the "Using Minecraft in Fedora" article for Monday, Oct. 31, 2016
21:59:02 <jflory7> #topic Articles for coming week(s)
21:59:04 <jflory7> #idea Python 3.6 hit Rawhide recently! This would be a super cool thing to cover!
21:59:24 <jflory7> #idea Fedora 25 Server edition has an SELinux Troubleshooter module built in! Wow! This would be super cool to cover too!
21:59:54 <jflory7> #info Whoa, Cockpit now also supports 2FA authentication? How cool is that? A short-and-sweet Magazine article would be double-cool!
22:00:08 <ryanlerch> jflory7: the cockpit ones are awesome
22:00:30 <ryanlerch> wonder if there is someone from the server WG that might help us write these
22:00:44 <jflory7> #idea There's even the all-platform Fedora Media Writer for making your Fedora USBs at any time from any operating system! That's so amazing, I bet the Magazine team would love to have an article on the Fedora Media Writer!
22:01:05 * ryanlerch will have to head off soon
22:01:11 <jflory7> ryanlerch: I'm afraid about pinging sgallagh - I wonder if there's someone he could instead point to for this if he's not available
22:01:17 <jflory7> I'll do some brainstorming on this, we are over
22:01:31 <jflory7> I don't think we have the content for Wednesday right now, but I'm going to try sending some emails now to get the ball rolling here
22:01:38 <ryanlerch> +1
22:01:40 <jflory7> I think we can get something in time.
22:01:52 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Send some emails out to see if we can get a post in time for Wednesday
22:02:03 <jflory7> Alrighty, so, I'm going to go do that now. :)
22:02:06 <jflory7> #topic Open Floor
22:02:12 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Anything else you wanted to mention?
22:03:47 <jflory7> I'll assume the quiet as an "all clear". We're all done here then. Thanks for coming out this early in the AM, ryanlerch. :) Enjoy the rest of your Friday...
22:03:50 <jflory7> #endmeeting