16:30:00 <jflory7> #startmeeting Fedora CommOps (2016-10-11)
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16:30:05 <jflory7> #meetingname commops
16:30:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'commops'
16:30:09 <jflory7> #nick commops
16:30:14 <jflory7> #topic Agenda
16:30:21 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:CommOps_2016-10-11
16:30:26 <jflory7> #info (1) Roll Call / Q&A
16:30:30 <skamath> .hello skamath
16:30:31 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' <sskamath96@gmail.com>
16:30:31 <jflory7> #info (2) Announcements
16:30:37 <jflory7> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
16:30:38 <adityakonarde> .hello adityakonarde
16:30:39 <zodbot> adityakonarde: adityakonarde 'Aditya Konarde' <aditya.konarde@gmail.com>
16:30:41 <jflory7> #info (4) Tickets
16:30:46 <jflory7> #info (5) Community Blog
16:30:51 <jflory7> #info (6) Release Schedule
16:30:56 <jflory7> #info (7) Open Floor
16:31:02 <bt0> hi everyone!! o/
16:31:06 <jflory7> #topic Roll Call / Q&A
16:31:07 <jflory7> #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas
16:31:13 <jflory7> #action commops New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps/Join ]
16:31:16 <jflory7> If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask.
16:31:24 <jflory7> #chair skamath adityakonarde bt0
16:31:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: adityakonarde bt0 jflory7 skamath
16:31:26 <Rhea> .hello rhea
16:31:27 <zodbot> Rhea: rhea 'None' <radka.janek@redhat.com>
16:31:29 <jflory7> Hey everyone :)
16:31:31 * Rhea waves
16:31:33 <jflory7> #chair Rhea
16:31:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rhea adityakonarde bt0 jflory7 skamath
16:31:36 <skamath> #info Sachin S. Kamath; UTC +5.30; CommOps, Metrics, GSoC, *
16:31:43 <skamath> Hello Commops o/
16:32:55 <adityakonarde> #info Aditya Konarde; UTC +5.30; CommOps, Python
16:32:59 <Rhea> Enjoy your quick lunch Justin :D
16:33:03 <adityakonarde> Hello everyone!
16:33:14 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez; UTC -5;CommOps, Metrics, FLOSS, StoryTelling
16:33:29 * FranciscoD is here!
16:33:30 <jflory7> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC-4; CommOps, Marketing, Magazine, Diversity, Ambassadors, sysadmin-badges, and more
16:33:36 <Rhea> hey FranciscoD
16:33:40 * skamath waves to FranciscoD
16:33:47 <jflory7> Rhea: This time, I managed to eat before the meeting :)
16:33:53 <jflory7> #chair FranciscoD
16:33:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea adityakonarde bt0 jflory7 skamath
16:33:55 <jflory7> FranciscoD: o/
16:33:58 <JohnMH> .hello johnmh
16:33:59 <zodbot> JohnMH: johnmh 'John M. Harris, Jr.' <johnmh@openblox.org>
16:34:07 <jflory7> Hey JohnMH!
16:34:10 <jflory7> #chair JohnMH
16:34:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD JohnMH Rhea adityakonarde bt0 jflory7 skamath
16:34:12 <Rhea> #info Radka Janek; UTC+1; CommOps, dotnet, Diversity
16:34:14 <FranciscoD> #info Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD": UTC+1; Join, packaging, etc etc :P
16:34:20 <FranciscoD> hiya everyone!
16:34:24 <Rhea> :D
16:34:41 <bt0> :D
16:34:52 <jflory7> Need to plug into charger... just another minute and then we'll get started :)
16:34:57 <JohnMH> #info John M. Harris; UTC-4; CommOps, Games, 3D Printing
16:35:08 <dhanesh95> #info Dhanesh B. Sabane, UTC+5:30, CommOps, Python
16:35:24 <skamath> hello JohnMH o/
16:35:27 <JohnMH> Hello
16:35:34 <dhanesh95> Hello everyone!
16:36:12 <skamath> #chair dhanesh95
16:36:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD JohnMH Rhea adityakonarde bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 skamath
16:36:29 <dhanesh95> skamath++
16:36:44 <jflory7> Hey dhanesh95!
16:36:47 <Rhea> You all and your whitespace-syntax python...
16:36:50 <jflory7> Let's go ahead and get started.
16:36:52 <dhanesh95> jflory7: o/
16:36:57 <skamath> Rhea, python is <3
16:37:02 <jflory7> #topic Announcements
16:37:05 <Rhea> Python is whitespace-syntax..
16:37:09 <JohnMH> You and your Python…
16:37:10 <adityakonarde> python++ :D
16:37:10 <jflory7> In case you didn't hear this already...
16:37:12 <dhanesh95> Python is life!
16:37:15 <jflory7> #info === "Announcing the Release of Fedora 25 Beta" ===
16:37:19 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-release-fedora-25-beta/
16:37:22 <skamath> \o/
16:37:25 <jflory7> #info Fedora 25 is available for download and upgrading. To learn more about the technical changes in Fedora this release, read the announcement on the Fedora Magazine for more information. The targeted final release date (currently) is November 15.
16:37:27 <Rhea> "Oh I must have missed that!"
16:37:31 <jflory7> fedora++
16:37:32 <adityakonarde> Downloading already ;)
16:37:34 <jflory7> #info === "Outreachy with Fedora, Fall 2016" ===
16:37:38 <dhanesh95> *applaud*
16:37:39 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-fedora-fall-2016/
16:37:45 <jflory7> #info We are in the final week of applications for the GNOME Outreachy program. Fedora has a few slots available for this upcoming cycle. More information about the program is available in the above blog post. Be sure to share it across your personal networks!
16:37:45 <bt0> i <3 Python
16:37:49 <jflory7> #info === "AppData content ratings for games shipped in Fedora" ===
16:37:54 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/appdata-content-ratings-shipped-fedora/
16:37:59 <jflory7> #info GNOME Software developer Richard Hughes recently e-mailed the Fedora developers mailing requesting Fedora package maintainers to update their AppData files to include age ratings using OARS. More information is in the blog post.
16:38:05 <jflory7> #info === Modularity WG on-boarding complete! ===
16:38:10 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/69
16:38:16 <jflory7> #info Ticket #69, focusing on on-boarding for the Modularity WG, is complete. Thanks for the help on this one, everyone!
16:38:19 <jflory7> eof
16:38:24 <jflory7> That's all the announcements I had.
16:38:31 <jflory7> Anyone else have anything they would like to share?
16:38:38 <skamath> jflory7, supplementary wallpaper voting for Fedora 25
16:39:03 <jflory7> skamath: Ooh, is that now?
16:39:09 <skamath> Opened today
16:39:13 <skamath> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/election/6/
16:39:39 <jflory7> #info === Vote for Fedora 25 supplementary wallpapers ===
16:39:41 <Rhea> Outreachy deserves more visibility in the tech-y world...
16:39:58 <jflory7> Rhea: I was thinking of giving that one a social media blast since we're in the last week.
16:40:09 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Promote Outreachy article on social media channels for final week of applications
16:40:10 <Rhea> +1
16:40:16 <bt0> +1
16:40:22 <skamath> jflory7, that's how I found out the badge bug :P
16:40:29 <JohnMH> +1
16:40:35 <jflory7> skamath: Nice. :)
16:40:42 <jflory7> Alrighty, any more announcements?
16:40:45 <jflory7> Going once...
16:40:55 <jflory7> Going twice...
16:40:55 <Rhea> If you have some info that I can share as well, like some alrady prepared post or something, a few words etc... please shoot it at me at any time
16:41:11 <Rhea> I don't have time this week for anything other than copy-pasting something
16:41:17 <jflory7> Rhea: The CommBlog post is a good article to share around :)
16:41:20 <jflory7> #topic Action items from last meeting
16:41:26 <jflory7> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/commops/commops.2016-10-04-16.30.html
16:41:33 <jflory7> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
16:41:42 <jflory7> #info === [COMPLETE] adityakonarde Create a first draft of a Fedora + Outreachy Fall 2016 post by Thursday evening, share link with the CommOps mailing list when ready for review ===
16:41:47 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-fedora-fall-2016/
16:41:57 <jflory7> #info === [COMPLETE] skamath Open a ticket in the Fedora Infrastructure Pagure repo proposing the idea of officially migrating all Fedora apps projects to Pagure and deprecating the use of GitHub ===
16:42:02 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5519
16:42:08 <jflory7> #info === skamath Work with fedbadges#491 to write the badges rule file for giving a badge to people who file bugs in Bugzilla ===
16:42:13 <jflory7> skamath: Any updates here?
16:42:33 <skamath> jflory7, Yep
16:42:50 <skamath> From what I understood, the mailman bug is blocking this one as well
16:43:07 <skamath> The email to username module is not working properly
16:43:28 <jflory7> skamath: Oh. So there actually is a bug that will prevent this from working at all?
16:43:29 <skamath> This is blocked for now.
16:43:42 <jflory7> I thought it was something that could be gracefully ignored if email lookup failed.
16:43:42 <Southern_Gentlem> bugzilla!=fedora acoount
16:44:03 <skamath> Southern_Gentlem, Yes. There is a rule which does email->fas resolution
16:44:15 <skamath> if bz.email is fas.email
16:44:20 <JohnMH> err
16:44:27 * skamath digs for the link
16:44:29 <JohnMH> skamath: bz.email is sometimes going to be fas.name@fedoraproject.org
16:44:47 <Southern_Gentlem> right but most people have different emails in those
16:44:53 <jflory7> It's a shame that this is actually technically blocked
16:45:03 <JohnMH> I have two RH Bugzilla accounts, for example, one with my email and the other with johnmh@fedoraproject.org
16:45:14 <skamath> https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/blob/develop/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/bz.py
16:45:32 <jflory7> Southern_Gentlem: Right. For this one, there was going to be a badge awarded on the condition that the Bugzilla and FAS emails matched or lined up, e.g. actual email in FAS or @fp.o alias. If the emails did not match, the badge would have to be manually awarded.
16:45:43 <jflory7> The automation would only work for those who share the same email between the two.
16:46:28 <skamath> JohnMH, https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/blob/develop/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/fasshim.py#L164
16:46:29 <jflory7> skamath: Any kind of ETA when a fix might be made for gracefully handling failed match-ups? Also, was it ever working or was it something just found in the past week?
16:46:34 * FranciscoD was under the impression that they didnt want us to use fas@fp.o for bugzilla emails at all
16:46:52 <skamath> jflory7, I can only tell you after I ping infra folks
16:46:57 <skamath> I'll keep you in the loop
16:47:04 <jflory7> skamath: Gotcha. Will re-action for later follow-up.
16:47:11 <skamath> Thanks!
16:47:40 <jflory7> #action skamath Follow up with Infrastructure team on fas=>bz email lookup rules and whether a fix can be made to gracefully handle failed lookups
16:47:56 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Add thoughts on Pagure for Etherpad data storage to ticket #83 ===
16:48:02 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Add thoughts on Pagure for Etherpad data storage to ticket #83
16:48:08 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Look into possibilities of wiki template for hack session to help store the data afterwards ===
16:48:14 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Look into possibilities of wiki template for hack session to help store the data afterwards
16:48:20 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 File ticket for looking into centralizing / making more clear what a member of Council or FESCo does, what their responsibilities are, and centralize the info in a wiki page or CommBlog article ===
16:48:26 <jflory7> #action jflory7 File ticket for looking into centralizing / making more clear what a member of Council or FESCo does, what their responsibilities are, and centralize the info in a wiki page or CommBlog article
16:48:31 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Begin drafting a Community Blog post for Fedora Appreciation Day ===
16:48:37 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Begin drafting a Community Blog post for Fedora Appreciation Day
16:48:42 * jflory7 is very clearly behind...
16:48:46 <adityakonarde> :D
16:48:51 <jflory7> #info === [COMPLETE] FranciscoD Look into creating a .thank command for zodbot that thanks a specified contributor for doing awesome work ===
16:48:55 <jflory7> .thank FranciscoD
16:48:55 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks FranciscoD is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to FranciscoD++ also)
16:48:57 <jflory7> .thank nb
16:48:57 <JohnMH> Oops, I think I just disconnected for a moment
16:48:58 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks nb is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to nb++ also)
16:49:04 <jflory7> #info === [COMPLETE] jflory7 Close ticket #81 about Pagure migration ===
16:49:11 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Post to the mailing list about selecting a new sub-project to work with on the on-boarding process ===
16:49:19 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Post to the mailing list about selecting a new sub-project to work with on the on-boarding process
16:49:33 <jflory7> Okay, and that's all remaining action items...
16:49:34 <jflory7> #topic Tickets
16:49:36 <FranciscoD> oh, I didn't do that at all. nb had done it before the last meeting was over :D
16:49:41 <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy
16:49:41 <skamath> JohnMH, did you get the link I sent you?
16:49:41 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
16:49:41 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issues?tags=meeting
16:49:53 <JohnMH> skamath: No
16:49:55 <jflory7> x3mboy: Hiya!
16:49:59 <jflory7> #chair x3mboy
16:49:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD JohnMH Rhea adityakonarde bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 skamath x3mboy
16:50:00 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #92 ===
16:50:06 <jflory7> #info "Start a yearly Fedora Appreciation Day"
16:50:11 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/92
16:50:17 <x3mboy> jflory7, Hiya!
16:50:17 <jflory7> #info CommBlog post still to be written. Looking at comments in ticket, bexelbie's approach as a soft-launch seems to make the most sense (i.e. encouraging contributors to thank one another on this day).
16:50:29 <jflory7> JohnMH: https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/blob/develop/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/fasshim.py#L164
16:50:36 <JohnMH> Thanks!
16:50:39 <jflory7> Yep!
16:50:44 <jflory7> In regards to this ticket...
16:50:53 <Rhea> Sooo... about that. Are we sure that we want to do this at this date?
16:50:54 <JohnMH> Ah, nice
16:51:07 <Rhea> It's so damn "crowded"
16:51:14 <jflory7> Rhea: You mean with regards to the release date?
16:51:24 <skamath> Thanks jflory7, my scroll was not working for some reason :)
16:51:34 <Rhea> yep, release date overlapping with appreciation day
16:51:44 <Rhea> also we need to come up with an acronym
16:51:51 <Rhea> FAD is taken
16:51:52 <skamath> FAD is taken :P
16:51:56 <skamath> Ah
16:51:57 <skamath> lol
16:51:57 <Rhea> :D
16:52:18 <adityakonarde> +1. Need some time between release day and "FAD" :P
16:52:35 <skamath> adityakonarde, FAD is Fedora Activity Day, can't use that
16:52:46 <jflory7> I do agree with bexelbie's comment towards the bottom about maybe trying a "soft launch" for this year on that date. I think the emphasis should really be promoting goodwill among community members. A local / physical aspect would be nice, but I don't want that to become the main focus just because there are many, many contributors who do a lot for the project who would not be able to take advantage of that.
16:52:50 <Rhea> We should like... look at calendar of public events around Fedora, maybe even consider other stuffs...
16:52:51 <skamath> adityakonarde, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD
16:52:56 <adityakonarde> Yes skamath :)
16:52:56 <jflory7> Yeah, a better acronym than FAD would be helpful.
16:53:15 <JohnMH> https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedmsg_meta_fedora_infrastructure/issues/402 (If there's a better place to publish this issue, let me know and I'll move it)
16:53:29 <jflory7> Also, worth noting that the release date and the appreciation day are about a week apart right now (assuming final launch isn't delayed past US Thanksgiving).
16:53:34 <JohnMH> I can write the code myself, of course
16:53:44 <skamath> JohnMH, perfect place for it :)
16:54:04 <jflory7> JohnMH++ Yep, I definitely think that's the best place.
16:54:38 <bt0> JohnMH++
16:54:39 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for johnmh changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:54:53 <dhanesh95> JohnMH++
16:54:53 <zodbot> dhanesh95: Karma for johnmh changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:55:01 <JohnMH> Thanks
16:55:45 <JohnMH> I'm sorry my internet is so bad today, I'm in an area of North Carolina which has been affected by the hurricane. It seems like my connection is dropping left and right.
16:56:04 <jflory7> I'm still +1 to the date of November 6, but if we want to do a different date, I'm open to that. Just not sure what date to go for.
16:56:26 <skamath> +1 wfm
16:56:28 <jflory7> JohnMH: No worries - hope you are safe!
16:57:37 <Rhea> Well i'm not sure if i can prepare anything in two weeks...
16:58:00 <Rhea> That's the main reason for me, second one is that I would like to give it more attention and i'm afraid that it will be consumed by the release
16:58:15 <Rhea> Depends what is our target audience, current users, or potential users?
16:58:25 <adityakonarde> Are we expecting any delays in the release this time?
16:58:30 <Rhea> If potential then november is perfect, if current, then as far from release as possible..
16:59:10 <adityakonarde> That would cause the events to overlap, one week is not a big gap.
16:59:46 <jflory7> Rhea: I'm not as concerned with outreach for this right now, as much as a positive impact within the community. But we can delay it to a later date in 2017.
17:00:35 <jflory7> adityakonarde: There could potentially be a one-week delay or longer, but I'm aware of the probability of that happening.
17:01:08 <adityakonarde> Ok then :)
17:01:14 <jflory7> #idea Postponing running the event at a later date to have more time to plan
17:01:36 <jflory7> I can also put this topic out on the mailing list.
17:01:45 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Open up discussion about date on the mailing list
17:02:06 <jflory7> Will also work on the Community Blog post to have for convenience
17:02:36 <adityakonarde> +1
17:02:39 <Rhea> I would love to... make it awesome
17:02:50 <skamath> Rhea++
17:03:01 <bt0> Rhea++
17:03:01 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for rhea changed to 7 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:03:02 <Rhea> but for that i need more time to prepare, and especially now i'm in hospital for a week so i can't really do much
17:03:21 * jflory7 nods
17:03:39 <jflory7> Rhea: Hope all is well, hospital visits don't sound any fun...
17:03:50 <dhanesh95> +1
17:03:51 <jflory7> Alrighty, so I'll open this up on the mailing list.
17:04:00 <jflory7> For now, I think we're good to move on to the next ticket.
17:04:32 * skamath is going afk for a couple of minutes
17:05:19 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #44 ===
17:05:24 <jflory7> #info " Talking Points: EDU"
17:05:29 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/44
17:05:32 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
17:05:33 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
17:05:37 <jflory7> #info Older ticket, but hasn't been visited in a while. Similar to Fedora release talking points, EDU-related talking points would be bullets or key points about why contributing to open source and Fedora as a student, faculty member, or or staff member is worthwhile. This covers a variety of different angles.
17:05:40 <jflory7> #chair linuxmodder
17:05:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD JohnMH Rhea adityakonarde bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder skamath x3mboy
17:05:43 <jflory7> Hey linuxmodder!
17:06:25 <jflory7> This ticket is one we haven't touched in a while, but even separate from any official effort (e.g. Campus Ambassadors), this is something we could begin working on building up.
17:06:41 <jflory7> It would be helpful for current Ambassadors or even just students / faculty looking for ways to get involved
17:06:58 <FranciscoD> before speaking about "why you should contribute to fedora", maybe a "why we contribute to fedora" campaign would make sense?
17:07:11 <FranciscoD> we have a "how we use fedora" series
17:07:30 <skamath> linuxmodder, o/
17:07:33 <adityakonarde> jflory7, Do we need to add stats to this one? Or just general information?
17:07:37 <FranciscoD> not a "why we contribute to fedora", do we?
17:07:39 <linuxmodder> howdy all
17:07:51 <x3mboy> It looks like this is focused in University education, right?
17:07:52 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I think that would fit into the talking points for students and maybe faculty (administrative staff might not be as keen towards that, but I've also never been in that situation).
17:08:30 <jflory7> adityakonarde: This is more of a word-y type of task, *but* numbers/metrics of some kind to support the talking points.
17:08:53 <jflory7> FranciscoD: You mean having an entirely new Magazine-esque series on something like that?
17:08:59 <FranciscoD> yea
17:09:09 <jflory7> x3mboy: Yes, this one is a little more focused towards education at the university level.
17:09:16 <FranciscoD> I'm interested in people speaking about why they contribute to Fedora
17:09:29 <FranciscoD> although, it may end up as a lot of repetition
17:09:40 <adityakonarde> Nice! I've been doing this forever trying to convince my college students/staff to start using FOSS :D +1 for the idea.
17:09:43 <bt0> I want to schedule an Fedora Appresation Day event at my local university LUG, i can harvest experiences and write it
17:09:52 <FranciscoD> (like the people, like the philosophy - usual reasons)
17:09:59 <bt0> also we have 3 labs running only fedora
17:10:00 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Hmm, we do ask people about the Fedora community and their contributions in HDYF (if they are a contributor). Something like that would be cool for the CommBlog, but I don't the target audience for the Magazine would match up (these kinds of posts have lowest engagement / views of all our types of content).
17:10:13 <skamath> bt0, That's awesome :D
17:10:26 <jflory7> adityakonarde: Yeah, the idea behind this ticket is to provide information to someone like you who is trying to find information to pass along to others, whether they are students or a professor.
17:10:35 <FranciscoD> +1
17:10:44 <jflory7> bt0: That would be super helpful feedback!
17:11:07 <FranciscoD> although, what kind of information are we referring to - that it's good from a practical perspective - CV, skills, etc; or are we speaking about the free software ideal type thing?
17:11:27 <jflory7> Seems like there is some interest in this ticket then, and I know there's a lot of people who have connections to local universities in one form or another.
17:11:29 * FranciscoD is teaching an ethics module
17:11:38 <FranciscoD> we're doing free software and open source next week
17:11:55 <FranciscoD> I'd really like students, if not others, to understand why we have foss in the first place
17:12:13 <FranciscoD> (other than the free of monetary cost and get yourself a github profile reasons)
17:12:16 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I think the kind of info we would want to portray to students would be things like building your personal portfolio outside of the classroom. You can work on projects in class that won't be touched again after the semester, or you can also contribute to an open source project like Fedora and have your contributions be used in the real world.
17:12:46 <FranciscoD> jflory7: yea, but when you put it like that, to a student all it comes down to is "it's good for my career"
17:12:47 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I think that would be part of what we're trying to teach. But it has to be integrated into the other aspects of FOSS as well.
17:13:26 <jflory7> FranciscoD: It's a matter of integrating the two sides of it.
17:13:29 <adityakonarde> being a student I would say its really helpful to have this motivation. These points can motivate the students to start contributing and learning.
17:13:31 <FranciscoD> +1
17:14:07 <dhanesh95> adityakonarde: +1
17:14:12 * linuxmodder reading scrollback and trying to spin back up things on my end
17:14:13 <FranciscoD> adityakonarde: yea, but are we happy to have more contributors that dont understand the philosophy? (It's an ideology thing)
17:14:16 <Rhea> Doesn't it though?
17:14:31 <FranciscoD> btw, this is the reason why ambassadors now have a more strict mentoring process
17:14:33 <Rhea> Every single interview i've been to, they went "wow you have open source project on github"
17:14:42 <Rhea> :D
17:14:45 <jflory7> On one hand, the professional development skills are important because it's moving a student towards being more ready for a career in their industry and working in team-based, often remote, settings. The humanitarian aspect is the motivation many times for why we contribute or enjoy doing what we're doing. It's not contributing for the sake of contributing but doing something you also genuinely enjoy.
17:14:50 <Rhea> It's a good plus for career, yes.
17:14:55 <FranciscoD> we had too many people signing up to get a "fedora ambassadors" badge in their CVs
17:15:12 <dhanesh95> jflory7: +1
17:15:26 <adityakonarde> FranciscoD, point worth thinking about; but usually the students won't get the ideology before they get involved.
17:15:46 <FranciscoD> adityakonarde: which is why, you first spend time to explain the ideology and then hook them up to tasks
17:15:55 <FranciscoD> if you start with tasks, you care about your python and your commits
17:16:05 <Southern_Gentlem> FranciscoD,  we also had spammers thinkingthey could get the ambassadors badge then they would have the clas +1 to spam the mailinglist and wiki
17:16:08 <FranciscoD> and how fancy your github timeline looks
17:16:11 <JohnMH> FranciscoD: I think it's important to state what free software is before you try to explain the rationality, the idea that anyone can see how something works, learn from it and alter it to work as they want
17:16:15 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Yeah, that's something that seems prevalent in India. With regards to Ambassador mentorship, there is a ticket in FAmSCo / FOSCo about readdressing mentorship and having a common "core" of material to use across all the regions since every region and mentor does it a little bit differently.
17:16:18 <linuxmodder> FranciscoD,  indeed and thankfully that has begun to fall off
17:16:25 <linuxmodder> the CV trolls
17:16:33 <jflory7> adityakonarde: I agree with this point as well.
17:16:58 <Rhea> Also another thing is, I can honestly say that i've used maybe only 1% of what i learned at school so far... And that said I was working on quite a few big things... 99% of school stuff is useless basically, however, if you participate in open source (especially something bigger like fedora) then that is actually useful in your professional life as well...
17:17:00 <jflory7> JohnMH: +1
17:17:04 <FranciscoD> jflory7: yea, it's quite prevalent in general - india just happens to have a massive population of techies XD
17:17:09 <adityakonarde> Agreed. Quality > Quantity :)
17:17:16 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  problem is the 'core' exists but the regional changes make it odd for those not familiar with those reasons
17:17:21 <Rhea> CVTroll. I like that.
17:17:21 <FranciscoD> JohnMH: +1
17:17:27 <skamath> FranciscoD, I believe membership is now restricted for ambassadors
17:17:31 <FranciscoD> Rhea: you wont like me when you meet em
17:17:36 <FranciscoD> skamath: as a result of the cvtrolling
17:17:43 <FranciscoD> er s/me/em
17:17:45 <FranciscoD> :D
17:17:54 <bt0> :)
17:18:02 <skamath> Sad, yeah. My ticket was closed :(
17:18:02 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Right, and that was part of what was being addressed, but the issue still remains that mentors even in the same region have entirely different approaches too.
17:18:16 <linuxmodder> skamath,  you need 'vetting' earlier more or less across all regions yes
17:18:24 <jflory7> Even though I think we're getting a little off-topic to the original topic :)
17:18:31 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  example?
17:18:37 <FranciscoD> yea, that's often what happens when you begin to speak about ideology :D
17:18:45 <jflory7> The EDU talking points can go beyond just Ambassadors as well and into different areas.
17:18:51 <jflory7> Development, community, etc.
17:19:07 <jflory7> So the idea here is to just start compiling a list of these points and organize them into a shareable and easy-to-read format.
17:19:13 <FranciscoD> but I am hoping fedora-join can help with that. I keep stressing that we want to ensure they understand free software and not just contribute because they have time on their hands
17:19:19 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  later can you spin me up on the campus ambassador progress ( not trying to re hash in here on mtg time)
17:19:30 <jflory7> I can create the initial wiki page and share more info about this in the ticket.
17:19:35 <FranciscoD> +1
17:19:44 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Create initial wiki page for EDU talking points, share in ticket
17:20:18 <linuxmodder> my thought has always been fedora-join should be cla+1 gateway and the vetting and `fitting` start there but ..
17:20:20 <FranciscoD> I'll look up the famsco/fesco thing - I've been out of the loop since I gave up my ambasssadorsuip
17:20:22 <skamath> .moar tickets jflory7
17:20:23 <zodbot> here jflory7, have some more tickets
17:20:35 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I think it's important to have the understanding of free software, but from my perspective, at least here in the US, often times the understanding is part of the process, I think... that's what encourages someone to continue contributing.
17:20:46 <dhanesh95> lel skamath
17:20:48 <linuxmodder> FranciscoD,  when was that ?  I've been out of loop last month for system issues
17:20:56 <jflory7> linuxmodder FranciscoD https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/359
17:21:06 <FranciscoD> ty jflory7 :)
17:21:13 <jflory7> Yup.
17:21:23 <nb> .hello nb
17:21:24 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone>
17:21:27 <adityakonarde> +1 jflory7. An entire ideology cannot be understood in one go :)
17:21:28 <linuxmodder> o/ nb
17:21:28 <FranciscoD> jflory7: yea, so it's important to sort of have em have in hand, if nothing else :)
17:21:37 <skamath> Hi nb :)
17:21:39 <FranciscoD> we can discuss this forever ;)
17:21:46 <jflory7> Alrighty. I think this should be enough coverage for now on this one - it's definitely clear we have the interest to push on with this one. :)
17:21:48 <linuxmodder> #chair nb
17:21:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD JohnMH Rhea adityakonarde bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder nb skamath x3mboy
17:21:49 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Indeed. ;)
17:21:50 <bt0> Hi nb :)
17:21:51 <jflory7> Hey nb!
17:21:56 <JohnMH> Hello nb
17:22:24 <adityakonarde> Hey nb
17:22:49 <jflory7> #agreed Will pursue EDU talking points as a new major task, more details will be worked out in ticket about moving forward
17:22:55 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #34 ===
17:23:00 <jflory7> #info "[Onboarding Series] [MASTER TICKET] Creating sub-project on-boarding badge series"
17:23:05 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/34
17:23:11 <jflory7> So, earlier, there was this action:
17:23:14 <Rhea> I sure do want to push edu stuff... my boyfriend is still a student and i want him to actually do something useful :D
17:23:30 <FranciscoD> Rhea: just teach him to cook and clean ;)
17:23:36 <jflory7> [12:49:19] <jflory7> #action jflory7 Post to the mailing list about selecting a new sub-project to work with on the on-boarding process
17:23:43 <dhanesh95> lol
17:23:47 <jflory7> Rhea: With you on the EDU agenda :)
17:24:00 <jflory7> So, we could pick a new sub-project to focus on now instead of going to the mailing list.
17:24:19 * jflory7 also needs to make a quick edit to the top of that ticket
17:24:30 <skamath> jflory7, how about Marketing?
17:24:43 <jflory7> skamath: I was thinking Marketing or Globalization could both be good picks
17:24:57 <jflory7> I know there's a lot of interest on the G11n side for this too with pravins and others
17:24:59 <skamath> Ah perfect, g11n needs some love.
17:25:38 <skamath> jflory7, Actually, we can pick both.
17:25:47 <skamath> I think it's doable
17:26:20 <dhanesh95> G11n +1
17:26:38 <skamath> +1 to both
17:27:04 <dhanesh95> Both is doable too.. We have a lot of heads to help
17:27:13 <Rhea> haha FranciscoD  :D
17:27:39 * jflory7 nods
17:28:04 <jflory7> Okay, then I think we can aim to help work with these two sub-projects. I can try to provide some info on Marketing, although I haven't been able to spend as much time there as normal
17:28:10 * FranciscoD must leave - time to cycle in the dark again
17:28:16 <FranciscoD> I'll read the logs and do what I can on the ML :)
17:28:21 <FranciscoD> have a good meeting, folks :)
17:28:24 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Okay, see ya around!
17:28:40 <skamath> FranciscoD, thanks for coming :)
17:29:20 <skamath> jflory7, so both it is?
17:29:33 <jflory7> Yeah, I think this will work
17:29:43 <skamath> My g11n onboarding was just complete. I can talk to pravins and gather some information
17:29:53 <jflory7> #agreed Will spend next release cycle helping support G11N and Marketing on-boarding
17:30:00 <jflory7> skamath: That would would be super helpful!
17:30:48 * jflory7 thinks this should be enough for this ticket then?
17:30:51 <skamath> #action skamath open a new ticket with information about g11n onboarding with inputs from pravins
17:30:54 <skamath> sounds good?
17:31:01 <jflory7> skamath: Perfect!
17:31:10 <jflory7> I'll work on adding info to the Marketing ticket.
17:31:16 <skamath> Sounds like a plan
17:31:30 <skamath> jflory7++
17:31:51 <Rhea> I haz a quick tiny question...
17:31:56 <Rhea> what is onboarding series
17:32:12 <jflory7> Rhea: Good question :)
17:32:33 <linuxmodder> +1 to both
17:33:25 <bt0> +1 to both too
17:33:28 <jflory7> #info The on-boarding ticket series are long-term tasks for CommOps to work closely with different sub-projects across the community. We help work with them to identify ways that their on-boarding experience can be simplified or improved, help develop resources like Badges to make on-boarding easier, and other ways of making it easier to bring new people into various parts of the Fedora community.
17:33:37 <linuxmodder> Rhea,  onboarding series is a series of articles detailing the onboarding process in a high level view
17:33:59 <Rhea> Also I plan to kick my boyfriend who is a bit of a graphics guy to make a dotnet badge for us... does that have anything to do with anything?
17:34:00 <skamath> linuxmodder++ jflory7++
17:34:10 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  that sounds so wordy we should work on that imo
17:34:35 <skamath> Rhea, we can add that here : https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/34
17:34:44 <jflory7> linuxmodder: What do you mean by articles?
17:34:45 <linuxmodder> Rhea,  is he already a fedora contrib or have a fas ?
17:34:58 <Rhea> nope
17:35:00 <jflory7> Rhea: There are some resources available for badge design - can follow up with you on this after the meeting. :)
17:35:14 <Rhea> yep i did spam him with links
17:35:17 <Rhea> :D
17:35:31 * jflory7 will go ahead and move to the Community Blog - has a class in 20 minutes he has to catch
17:35:33 <jflory7> #topic Community Blog
17:35:39 <jflory7> #info How This Works: There is a quick blast of information about what was published in the past week with some metrics, followed by posts that are being drafted. After the information blast, the floor is opened for any Community Blog-related discussion. Here we go!
17:35:45 <jflory7> #info Stats seem to be inaccessible right now, but still working on finding a resolution…
17:35:49 * skamath grabs popcorn
17:35:51 <jflory7> #info === This Week in CommBlog ===
17:35:56 <jflory7> #info (1) "FOSS Wave: Goa, India" by sumantrom
17:36:01 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/foss-wave-goa-india/
17:36:06 <jflory7> #info (2) "FOSS Wave: Bangalore at UVCE" by prakashmishra1598
17:36:10 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/foss-wave-bangalore-uvce/
17:36:14 * Rhea feeds herself on skamath's popcorn..
17:36:14 <jflory7> #info (3) "Outreachy with Fedora, Fall 2016" by adityakonarde
17:36:19 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-fedora-fall-2016/
17:36:29 <jflory7> sumantrom++ prakashmishra1598++ adityakonarde++
17:36:34 <jflory7> #info === Coming Up in CommBlog ===
17:36:39 <jflory7> #info (1) "Migration From Trac"
17:36:44 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2520&preview=1&_ppp=31d4042770
17:36:49 <jflory7> #info (2) "FUDCon Latam event is comming next week!"
17:36:54 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2684&preview=1&_ppp=318d99f359
17:37:00 <jflory7> #info (3) "Fedora 25 Wallpapers - Vote Now!"
17:37:05 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2694&preview=1&_ppp=ee5fb19741
17:37:11 <jflory7> #info (4) "Inkscape: Getting started 0"
17:37:14 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  I have a mini announcement for US based folks later
17:37:17 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2632&preview=1&_ppp=72eaa533b6
17:37:22 <jflory7> #info (5) "Inkscape: Design your imagination"
17:37:27 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2585&preview=1&_ppp=1ff7df5e5d
17:37:34 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Sounds good, we can fit it in at open floor.
17:37:40 * skamath is waiting for the Inkscape post
17:37:43 <jflory7> This is all the CommBlog news I had prepped.
17:37:58 <jflory7> skamath: I was thinking the Inkscape posts may be a better fit for the Magazine, but I haven't had a chance to review them.
17:37:59 * Rhea voted on all the flower-wallpapers
17:38:07 <skamath> lol
17:38:10 * jflory7 is behind on a *lot* of things this week
17:38:14 <skamath> jflory7, nod nod
17:38:26 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  btw icymi geohas has asked to have his remote unlock articles pulled
17:38:39 <jflory7> linuxmodder: What?
17:38:54 <linuxmodder> I  kinda see why with the upstream being unresponsive
17:39:04 <linuxmodder> for the blog article I'll email you about it later
17:39:07 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Not sure I'm following
17:39:09 <jflory7> Alrighty.
17:39:20 <jflory7> #topic Release Schedule
17:39:26 <jflory7> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-key-tasks.html
17:39:31 <jflory7> #info (1) Final Freeze (Tue 2016-11-01, 00:00 UTC)
17:39:37 <jflory7> #info (2) Final Release Public Availability (Tue 2016-11-15)
17:39:42 <linuxmodder> Seeders welcome on the 25 Beta btw
17:39:44 <jflory7> #info (3) Fedora 23 EOL auto closure (Tue 2016-12-13)
17:40:18 <jflory7> Beta release was today, and soon we'll be getting into the final stretch for the final release. :)
17:40:20 <jflory7> #topic Open Floor
17:40:34 <jflory7> Alrighty! Anyone have anything else they would like to cover? Questions, comments, ideas?
17:40:42 <jflory7> linuxmodder: You had an announcement?
17:40:46 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  where were the release announce pagure things moved?
17:41:25 <adityakonarde> Was surprised to read that fedora23 has reached EOL :P
17:41:43 <jflory7> linuxmodder: We didn't use Pagure for this release announcement. It's currently in the wiki and a slightly altered version is in the Magazine.
17:41:49 <linuxmodder> Anyone looking toward OpenShift or  infra stuff Redhat is planning several workshops and webinars in the coming months for Compliance and such ( worth cme credits for those already credentialed)
17:42:18 <linuxmodder> contact me or  Rita Carroll (rita@redhat.com) if interested
17:42:22 <jflory7> adityakonarde: Yep! Fedora only supports up to two releases at a time. So after F25 releases, the only supported versions will be the current release and the one previous.
17:42:31 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Thanks!
17:42:54 <bt0> awesome linuxmodder
17:43:04 <linuxmodder> for any Gov't times they have a synposium to on the subject next month Nov 2
17:43:07 <adityakonarde> jflory7, I'm getting my laptop ready for 25 now ;)
17:43:13 <linuxmodder> adityakonarde,  nice
17:43:21 <linuxmodder> with the qa team are you ?
17:43:30 <jflory7> adityakonarde++ Awesome. :)
17:43:33 * dhanesh95 needs to leave now. Good Night CommOps!
17:43:33 <jflory7> Anything else to cover?
17:43:33 <adityakonarde> linuxmodder, what are cme credits?
17:43:39 <linuxmodder> if not don't forget us over there if you hit snags
17:43:45 <jflory7> If not, we can close out and I can send the minutes before I have to leave for class. :)
17:43:47 <skamath> adityakonarde, Careful with hybrid graphics and Wayland ;)
17:43:49 <adityakonarde> linuxmodder, not yet a part of qa, but surely interested :)
17:44:01 <linuxmodder> adityakonarde,  Continuing credits for licensing and such
17:44:16 <skamath> dhanesh95, Good night!
17:44:18 <adityakonarde> skamath, i need to buy shades because redshift doesnt work with wayland :P
17:44:20 <jflory7> adityakonarde: There's a great three-part series for gettingstarted with QA on the CommBlog. :) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/getting-started-fedora-qa-part-1/
17:44:22 <jflory7> dhanesh95: Good night!
17:44:31 <skamath> Ah.
17:44:33 <linuxmodder> ah yes jflory7  let's rehash the dnf update + X  issue on a post this week
17:44:52 <jflory7> Alrighty. Let's go ahead and head back to #fedora-commops - see you all in channel!
17:44:54 <linuxmodder> adityakonarde,  I am also part of qa team if you have ?s
17:44:56 <jflory7> #endmeeting