19:30:11 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n (l10n focused) 19:30:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 25 19:30:11 2016 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:30:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:30:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n_(l10n_focused)' 19:30:11 <pravins> #meetingname g11n (l10n focused) 19:30:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n_(l10n_focused)' 19:30:11 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 19:30:11 <pravins> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2016-08-25 19:30:43 <pravins> who available for meeting today? :) 19:30:48 <aeng> :) 19:30:56 <jibecfed> bonsoir :) 19:30:57 <pravins> jibecfed: as usual just in time :) 19:31:10 <pravins> #chair jibecfed aeng jonatoni 19:31:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jibecfed jonatoni pravins 19:31:18 <pravins> Jobava: are you around? :) 19:31:55 <jibecfed> .fasinfo jonatoni 19:31:56 <zodbot> jibecfed: User: jonatoni, Name: Jona Azizaj, email: jonaazizaj@gmail.com, Creation: 2015-02-13, IRC Nick: jonatoni, Timezone: Europe/Tirane, Locale: en, GPG key ID: FAD8791F, Status: active 19:31:59 <zodbot> jibecfed: Approved Groups: +diversity-team commops campusambassadors cvsl10n ambassadors cla_done cla_fpca 19:32:08 <pravins> anyone else here for meeting?? though i saw some active members already logged in :) 19:32:14 <jflory7> .hello jflory7 19:32:15 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com> 19:32:18 * jflory7 is listening in 19:32:25 <pravins> hi jflory7 :) 19:32:27 <jflory7> o/ 19:32:28 <pravins> #chair jflory7 19:32:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jflory7 jibecfed jonatoni pravins 19:32:38 <pravins> lets start 19:32:45 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 19:32:45 <pravins> #info 2016-08-30 Alpha Release 19:32:45 <pravins> #info 2016-09-13 Software Translation Deadline 19:32:45 <pravins> #info 2016-09-27 Beta Freeze (*) 19:32:50 <augenauf> augenauf: Florian Heiser 19:33:00 <pravins> hi augenauf :) 19:33:04 <pravins> #chair augenauf 19:33:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng augenauf jflory7 jibecfed jonatoni pravins 19:33:37 <pravins> In upcoming schedule, we are seeing most important milestone for us i.e. Translation deadline. 19:33:53 <pravins> lets move into first and most important topic 19:33:57 <pravins> #topic Fedora 25 Virtual translation sprint 19:33:58 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/29 19:34:06 <jibecfed> if delay, will we push the translation deadline ? 19:34:56 <pravins> Traditionally if delay, we ask particular package maintainer to pull translation and build package again. 19:35:13 <pravins> So i think, we can track packages/language missed deadline and simply ask them to build 19:35:14 <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy 19:35:15 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 19:35:25 <pravins> hi x3mboy :) 19:35:28 <pravins> #chair x3mboy 19:35:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng augenauf jflory7 jibecfed jonatoni pravins x3mboy 19:35:30 <jibecfed> so, not automatic, but we can ask for it package by package 19:35:35 <x3mboy> hi pravins 19:35:38 <x3mboy> xD 19:35:44 <pravins> For translation sprint 19:35:53 <pravins> 1. What should be Window dates? 19:36:40 <jibecfed> can we suggest last 7 days before deadline ? 19:36:41 <augenauf> one week, starting right after alpha release? 19:37:13 <augenauf> (could be tight, only 5 days left till then) 19:37:31 <pravins> augenauf: we need sometime for planning sprint, so can do it so quick. 19:38:13 <pravins> may be 3rd-9 Sept ? 19:38:39 * pravins checking F24 Windows 19:38:39 <jibecfed> +1 19:38:44 <augenauf> +1 19:38:44 <x3mboy> +1 19:38:50 <aeng> +2 19:39:49 <pravins> Last time, it was actually very late. 19:39:51 <pravins> Thansk 19:40:07 <pravins> #agreed Sprint dates 3rd-9th September. 19:40:10 <pravins> hi noriko :) 19:40:14 <noriko> sorry! 19:40:14 <pravins> #chair noriko 19:40:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng augenauf jflory7 jibecfed jonatoni noriko pravins x3mboy 19:41:05 <pravins> noriko: we were talking about translation sprint dates and most of us agree on 3rd-9th September. fyi. 19:41:29 <pravins> again must say, noriko also just in time. 19:42:06 <pravins> noriko: need your guidance on how to prepare list of packages for translation sprint. 19:42:42 <pravins> we need few more members for creating list of packages for translation. 19:42:54 <jibecfed> after my announcement about deadlines, Piotr (poland) reviewed the list, should we do anything more ? 19:43:24 <pravins> jibecfed: aha, you mean https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI ? 19:43:30 <jibecfed> yes 19:43:43 <pravins> i am just wondering, do we need anymore packages to it? 19:44:15 <pravins> I was thinking may be if we could send email on devel list and ask if there are any more important/new packages. 19:44:22 <noriko> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI 19:44:23 <pravins> that is only one idea i have. 19:44:30 <x3mboy> gnome-terminal? 19:44:45 <noriko> the list, I believe piotr recently updated. 19:44:55 <pravins> noriko: aha, nice. 19:45:00 <jibecfed> x3mboy: it is translated by gnome in http://l10n.gnome.org/ 19:45:07 <x3mboy> Oh 19:45:09 <x3mboy> Sorry 19:45:19 <pravins> x3mboy: good points, i also always wonder, can we actually look into gnome packages also ;) 19:45:36 <x3mboy> I was thinking just in the most important packages for a fresh installation 19:45:55 <aeng> didnt we already have the list? 19:46:00 <aeng> from previous releasE? 19:46:28 <aeng> If you ask package maintainer, I'm sure all of them are important. 19:46:33 <pravins> #info L10N_GUI packages list already reviewed and updated by Piotr. 19:46:48 <pravins> aeng: yeah, that may be case. 19:47:14 <pravins> if we are agree on present list https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI and no new additions. 19:47:23 <pravins> I think it make our sprint task more easy :) 19:47:30 <jibecfed> I think we should keep to the current list and invite languages to select themself if they want to target other packages from fedora/gnome or other packages (and they can talk about it) 19:47:44 <pravins> jibecfed +1 19:47:46 <aeng> good idea jibecfed 19:48:36 <augenauf> we should maybe highlight that anaconda shall have the highest priority 19:49:06 <jibecfed> for your info, french team decided to focus on Ibus packages in Zanata, to make good publicity to ibus-typing-booster 19:49:10 <x3mboy> I can disagree with that, but ok 19:49:24 <augenauf> x3mboy: on what? 19:49:36 <x3mboy> On anaconda in Highest priority 19:49:58 <pravins> #idea keep to the current list and invite languages to select themself if they want to target other packages from fedora/gnome or other packages (and they can talk about it) 19:50:16 <x3mboy> You use anaconda just once, there a lot of packages that you will use on the entire lifecycle of the version 19:50:25 <augenauf> x3mboy: If installer is not fully translated, new user that do not speak english may not even finish the installation, and not get in touch with any other package - but that's just my personal opinion 19:50:55 <x3mboy> It's not a place to discuss that, and i'm new, so, np 19:51:11 <augenauf> true 19:51:16 <pravins> yeah, we can always debate on this topic :) 19:51:25 <pravins> which is most imp package ;) 19:51:33 <jibecfed> true, please do it by email, it is normal to discuss about it 19:51:42 <augenauf> will do so 19:51:50 <pravins> lets for safe go it alphabetically for selected list. 19:51:51 <jibecfed> on G11N mailing list 19:52:04 * pravins say thanks to Piotr for updating list of packages. 19:52:55 <pravins> jibecfed: may be we will add information regarding your idea, in translation sprint invitation. i.e. feel free to add other packages for translation. 19:53:56 <pravins> #info Make sure to add info in announcement email regarding Language team can select more packages that list as per requirements. 19:54:22 <pravins> #chair 19:54:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng augenauf jflory7 jibecfed jonatoni noriko pravins x3mboy 19:54:34 <pravins> please feel free to add your name in respective category @ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/vFAD_Translation_F25 19:54:39 <pravins> for help. 19:54:48 <pravins> jflory7: rewards? :) 19:54:59 <x3mboy> pravins++ 19:54:59 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for pravins changed to 4 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:55:04 <pravins> last time, it was quick help for jflory7 for processing rewards. 19:55:12 <jflory7> For badges on this one? 19:55:15 <pravins> yes 19:55:20 <jflory7> Ahh, right right. 19:55:44 <pravins> i see, some language team might be interested in organizing local sprint, during same time 19:55:53 <jflory7> So, as of today, I am a member of sysadmin-badges, so as long as the artwork side is taken care of, I'd be happy to help expedite anything with badges. 19:56:06 <jflory7> +100 for having one for this vFAD. 19:56:07 <pravins> If there is such plan, we can actually see, if we can get some small funding i.e. $100 etc. 19:56:24 <pravins> jonatoni: planning for local sprint? and need any help? 19:56:51 <pravins> jflory7: since, we have artwork for last Sprint ready, it will not take much time :) 19:57:03 <pravins> #info Artwork is ready for badges from F24 sprint. 19:57:21 <jflory7> pravins: Perfect. :) Please CC me on any new ticket for F25 L10n sprint. 19:57:27 <jonatoni> i'm sure if i can make to organise something in Albania this time 19:57:33 <jflory7> If the artwork is a go, I can help ship it out for you all quickly. 19:57:37 <aeng> pravins, might need to get design team to update the artwork? 19:57:40 <jonatoni> i will be traveling :/ 19:57:50 <pravins> aeng: yeah, from F24 to F25. 19:58:26 <pravins> ohh, no problem. Albania is very active, so i am sure someone else will step up :) 19:59:04 <pravins> so basically i want to say, if language teams are planning for local meetups, we should encourage them with small funding. 19:59:32 <pravins> I hope, council will be kind enough and provide support. (since this is not advance planned event) 20:00:07 <pravins> #info If language teams are planning local meetup and need any budget, do contact to list. we can try to work with council. 20:00:23 <pravins> great, i am happy most of the items for sprint looks nice. 20:00:45 <pravins> jibecfed: aeng will you help again for Zanata readiness regarding package list? 20:00:57 <aeng> pravins, yeah, no problem 20:01:18 <pravins> jonatoni: for outreach? 20:01:38 <jonatoni> yep i will help for outreach 20:01:55 <aeng> noriko, do we branch off from master for translation for all packageS? 20:02:00 <pravins> jonatoni: great, would you like to write CommBlog article as well? :) 20:02:02 <jibecfed> pravins, no problem, but most usefull data come from alex ! ;) 20:02:11 <noriko> aeng, no 20:02:16 <pravins> aeng++ 20:02:16 <zodbot> pravins: Karma for aeng changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:02:18 <pravins> jibecfed++ 20:02:19 <zodbot> pravins: Karma for jibecfed changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:02:28 <pravins> jonatoni++ 20:02:28 <zodbot> pravins: Karma for jonatoni changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:02:36 <noriko> mostly we can work on master, unless packagers set up F25 branch 20:02:38 <noriko> :) 20:02:41 <aeng> ok 20:03:00 <pravins> other members feel free to write your name on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/vFAD_Translation_F25 we can coordinate later, how we can collaborate. 20:03:00 <jonatoni> pravin yes sure 20:03:26 <pravins> jonatoni: nice, we do have reference from last sprint. 20:04:01 <pravins> anymore question, doubts, ideas on Translation sprint?/ 20:04:33 <pravins> moving ahead with next topic.. 20:04:36 <noriko> may be we can ask for fedora magazine to advertise? 20:04:43 <augenauf> +1 20:04:47 <noriko> Sylvia is in our team now :-) 20:04:53 <pravins> jflory7: here to answer :) 20:05:13 <pravins> noriko: yeah. Sylvia !! welcome !! 20:05:26 <x3mboy> For these i will suggest communityblog 20:05:42 <pravins> but in general Magazine has different focus and Sprint is more specific to Community blog. 20:05:57 <jibecfed> +1 20:06:12 <x3mboy> +1 20:06:18 <pravins> moving to next topic 20:06:20 <pravins> #topic FAD proposals 20:06:33 <jflory7> I would be +1 for CommBlog first. Magazine would be possible, but it would be a different angle. 20:06:48 <pravins> agree !! 20:07:00 <pravins> FAD proposals topic started in flock-2016. 20:07:49 <pravins> Zoltan and jonatoni interested in having Language FAD's 20:08:05 <pravins> also i would like to have one G11N/I18N FAD sometime. 20:09:09 <pravins> We cant do must till Fed 2017, since it already plan. (May be exception base its possible) 20:09:21 <aeng> language fad? meaning the main task is to accomplish certain translations? 20:09:32 <pravins> For Mar 2017-Feb 2018 budget planning it already started, so good time to propose one now. 20:09:50 <pravins> aeng: yeah, i think it can be for Language coordinators as well. 20:10:12 <jonatoni> yep, would be a great idea to organise a FAD, and i would be really happy to organise it in Albania 20:10:27 <aeng> jonatoni 20:10:29 <aeng> +1 20:10:34 <pravins> jonatoni: i think, we should start creating tentative proposal for it. 20:10:36 <jonatoni> aeng :) 20:11:10 <pravins> i will recommend to start one. 20:11:17 <jonatoni> pravin yep sure 20:11:29 <pravins> great 20:11:29 <jonatoni> i will start to create a proposal 20:11:35 <pravins> i will ping Zoltan as well. 20:11:38 <pravins> moving to next topic 20:11:45 <pravins> #topic Globalization steering committee 20:11:45 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_G11N_Steering_Committee_Proposal 20:12:03 <pravins> Thanks for all members for having nice discussion around committee in Flock 2016. 20:12:23 <pravins> discussed points are already available on http://piratepad.net/g11n-flock-2016 20:12:32 <pravins> i had some chat with Jens after our workshop 20:12:42 <pravins> so i would like to suggest to more improvement 20:13:06 <pravins> 1. Rather than G11N steering committee, lets call it "Language steering committee" 20:13:21 * thunderbirdtr being sorry for late he was doing compiling/stuff :) 20:13:37 <pravins> thunderbirdtr: no problem :) 20:13:39 <pravins> #chair thunderbirdtr 20:13:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng augenauf jflory7 jibecfed jonatoni noriko pravins thunderbirdtr x3mboy 20:13:56 <thunderbirdtr> hello, good evening/night everyone* 20:13:59 <aeng> So its only for l10n? not including i18n? 20:14:24 <pravins> aeng: nope, by saying language i think it covers all people interested in working any part of language 20:14:39 <jibecfed> "Language steering committee" is a great name +1 20:14:47 <aeng> ok +1 20:14:51 <x3mboy> LanSCO? 20:15:02 <x3mboy> LanSCo? 20:15:07 <pravins> G11N is sometime confusing for few people and i think we are limiting scope. 20:15:19 <pravins> x3mboy: yes. 20:15:22 <noriko> what is the diff from flsco? 20:15:22 <x3mboy> +1 20:15:38 <thunderbirdtr> maybe add "Lang" known one ? 20:15:54 <pravins> noriko: you means Localization steering committee? 20:16:00 <noriko> yes 20:16:12 <jibecfed> can we do LaSCo ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux 20:16:41 <pravins> nolski: Localization is only L10N specific, when saying Language scope is all things related with language. testing, tech, non-tech 20:16:49 <pravins> oops i mean noriko. 20:17:03 <noriko> humm... 20:17:44 <pravins> so in generic say.. All things related with languages. 20:17:58 <pravins> i feel this is basically dues to confusion people having with G11N :( 20:18:17 <pravins> jibecfed: no work LaSCo on link. 20:19:09 <pravins> 2nd thing 20:19:38 <pravins> Rather than having strict structure https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_G11N_Steering_Committee_Proposal#Structure 20:19:58 <pravins> i.e. particular number of groups of people for particular group, lets make it open. 20:20:14 <jibecfed> pravins: shouldn't it be LanguageS instead of Language ? 20:20:43 <pravins> "s" is silent ;) 20:20:51 <aeng> :) 20:21:19 <pravins> but yeah, we have to deal with many languages. 20:21:45 <pravins> i think from the start of this discussion about committee we are talking about this strict structure. 20:22:08 <pravins> But rather than making it strict, if we open it. It will not harm much i think. 20:22:23 <aeng> vote/nomination style? 20:22:24 <thunderbirdtr> pravins, I can even say something about "Lan" part too :) 20:23:02 <pravins> nomination will be open, vote as usual majority. 20:23:26 <pravins> thunderbirdtr: :) 20:23:45 <thunderbirdtr> for vote please make info statement please* 20:23:47 <pravins> reason behind this suggestion is: Me work in i18n, l10n, fltg 20:23:54 <pravins> so how can we decide i am from which group. 20:24:04 <aeng> good point 20:24:05 <thunderbirdtr> in that basic you're in all of it. 20:24:05 <pravins> same way more members work in diverse way. 20:24:22 <pravins> thunderbirdtr: yeah, even there are few more members :) 20:24:47 <pravins> and i think this will help to make proposal more easy to understand and execute 20:25:04 <pravins> only 2 suggestions from me. :) 20:25:18 <aeng> both sounds good +1 20:26:04 <pravins> great, thanks :) 20:26:16 <pravins> anymore things on proposal? 20:26:22 <jibecfed> nope 20:26:25 <pravins> only 4 min remaining. 20:26:25 <thunderbirdtr> pravins, so you're going to be make like "Famsco"ish system based 20:26:40 <thunderbirdtr> pravins, grouping* 20:26:47 <pravins> may be something like it, we are still not sure about it 20:26:59 <pravins> but lets try and fail quickly if required. :) 20:27:06 <thunderbirdtr> I'm okey for that +1 but still not complete I guess 20:27:09 <pravins> moving to Zanata related part 20:27:11 <pravins> sure 20:27:21 <pravins> #topic Mismatch in Zanata username and FAS name 20:27:22 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/22 20:27:22 <pravins> #topic Implementing Fedora badges for translations in Zanata 20:27:22 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/19 20:27:45 <pravins> aeng: sorry, but i always keep on asking when we will see this implemented :) 20:27:58 <pravins> basically next deployment plan. 20:28:01 <aeng> https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/22, done, Zanata 4.0 20:28:08 <thunderbirdtr> Zanata has need "keywords" :) !! 20:28:28 <aeng> https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/19, done with webhook, 4.0 20:28:51 <x3mboy> Oh! 20:28:52 <x3mboy> ! 20:29:00 <jibecfed> is it too late to translate zanata for 4.0 ? 20:29:08 <pravins> when are we planning for switching to 4.0? 20:29:11 <aeng> the aim was around november deployment 20:29:27 <x3mboy> I notice somthing in zanata, i'm not sure if is a feature or a bug xD 20:29:31 <pravins> #info Zanata 4.0 is planned to deployed around November. 20:29:43 <thunderbirdtr> I have a small suggestion If possible I wanna add* If It's there please show me after meeting* 20:29:45 <aeng> yup x3mboy, 20:29:45 <pravins> jibecfed: good question. We should target Zanata translation as well sometime. 20:29:57 <pravins> moving to next topic :) 20:30:04 <pravins> #topic Tracking translation bugs through list 20:30:04 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/25 20:30:06 <x3mboy> Whe i look at the Chat Room i'm logged a lot of times 20:30:14 <pravins> noriko: need input from you about this. 20:30:22 <x3mboy> s/Whe/When 20:30:28 <pravins> basically i18n team is soon planning for F23 bug triaging day 20:30:31 <aeng> x3mboy, lets take this outside of this meeting 20:30:35 <x3mboy> Ok 20:30:48 <pravins> i was just wondering do we need to have triage translation bugs filed in F24 testing day. 20:31:25 <pravins> also, we already agreed for trans-bug list, so if no objective we should proceed ahead with trans-bug list. 20:32:11 <pravins> we are almost done 20:32:17 <noriko> ah, simple answer, trans-zanata-admin is not for bug triage. 20:32:19 <pravins> will take this things offline 20:32:26 <noriko> for bug triage, there is none atm. 20:33:03 <pravins> noriko: aha, sure. lets talk more about it later. 20:33:11 <noriko> sure 20:33:12 <pravins> thanks noriko for input :) 20:33:14 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 20:33:31 <pravins> Anyone interested in hosting next meeting? 20:33:39 <thunderbirdtr> when ? 20:33:49 <pravins> bi-weekly. 20:34:04 <pravins> 8th Spet 20:34:26 <thunderbirdtr> Serbia event date for me :) impossible* 20:34:28 <thunderbirdtr> sorry* 20:34:38 <pravins> no problem. lets discuss on email :) 20:34:49 <pravins> lets close meeting in one minutes. 20:34:51 <jibecfed> FYI, after flock, I decided to write down objectives and what I feel like missing : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibecfed/Localization_proposal-Help_languages 20:34:51 * thunderbirdtr remindering we passed time* 20:35:10 <pravins> thunderbirdtr: yeah :( 20:35:11 <x3mboy> pravins, not me, I'm just joining team, maybe in a few weeks 20:35:29 <pravins> jibecfed: nice. 20:35:35 <jibecfed> I will try to reach a few coordinators to have feedback about it, but you can also reach me directly 20:35:56 <pravins> liked the work "emergence of new languages" 20:36:07 <pravins> jibecfed: sure, will provide feedback soon 20:36:14 <jibecfed> but the most important expected feedback is from a community management point of view 20:36:36 <pravins> yes. 20:36:50 <pravins> lets close meeting, everyone in different timezone 20:36:57 <jonatoni> Thanks for chairing pravins++ 20:36:58 <zodbot> jonatoni: Karma for pravins changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:37:06 <jibecfed> pravins++ 20:37:06 <zodbot> jibecfed: Karma for pravins changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:37:06 <pravins> Thanks all for making this meeting. Looking forward for meeting you all again :) 20:37:08 <jibecfed> thank you 20:37:09 <aeng> thanks 20:37:12 <pravins> #endmeeting