01:02:02 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:02:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jul 1 01:02:02 2016 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:02:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:02:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:02:14 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 01:02:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:02:23 <reher> hi award3535! 01:02:25 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:02:34 * ParadoxGuitarist waves 01:02:38 <award3535> #chair ParadoxGuitarist 01:02:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 01:03:07 * masta is here 01:03:21 <award3535> reher did you get the reply for your answers 01:03:30 <award3535> #chair masta 01:03:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 masta 01:03:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey masta 01:04:12 <jflory7> .hello jflory7 01:04:13 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com> 01:04:24 <award3535> #chair jflory7 01:04:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 jflory7 masta 01:04:39 <jflory7> Evening, all. 01:05:51 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:06:06 <award3535> does anyone have any announcements.... 01:06:34 <reher> award3535, did! Thank you. I didn't want to bug you as you said you were traveling and such, but did come to the meeting. 01:06:52 <jflory7> I have one 01:07:12 <award3535> jflory7 go 01:07:31 <award3535> reher I saw and please feel free to ask questions 01:07:44 <reher> got it :) 01:07:45 <jflory7> #info === "Friends. Features. Freedom. First. Forever." === 01:07:47 <jflory7> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/CG5JS4DQ3G2TVA5YZX7LBOSXVNCUPTIB/ 01:08:00 <masta> did we get a fifth pillar ? 01:08:13 <jflory7> #info On Friday, decause announced on the mailing list that he will be leaving his position at Red Hat to become the Open Source Campaign Manager for a candidate in the US elections. jzb and jmadriga are the points of contact until a new Fedora Community Lead is hired. 01:08:50 <masta> whoa 01:09:08 <danofsatx> howdy folks. I'm not really here - I'm still prepping for my move to Tampa. 01:09:18 <award3535> #chair danofsatx 01:09:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx jflory7 masta 01:09:21 <danofsatx> I thought I would take a few minutes to pop in and say hi. 01:09:33 <award3535> danofsatx no worries 01:10:07 <jflory7> danofsatx: Evening! 01:10:27 <award3535> fedora wishes decause all the luck in his endeavors 01:10:51 <award3535> ok lets get to some tickets 01:11:03 <award3535> I am going to start backwards tonight 01:11:13 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:11:28 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:11:45 <award3535> .famnaticket 148 01:11:46 <zodbot> award3535: #148 (TXLF 2016 (Austin, TX - July 8th-9th)) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/148 01:12:11 <masta> oh crap I think that is like next week 01:12:27 <danofsatx> ahhh yes...this one. If I don't go to Tampa before then, I'll be there, but I expect that's the weekend I'm moving. 01:12:32 <award3535> yep I have no information or budget 01:13:14 <masta> I see our name on there sponsor page 01:13:15 <masta> http://2016.texaslinuxfest.org/ 01:13:33 <masta> did somebody pay for that event? 01:13:36 <award3535> but I have no information 01:13:51 <award3535> I did not pay for the event, I was waiting for POC on the event to pay 01:14:08 <masta> and I guess that is me 01:14:08 <award3535> unless paranese paid for it 01:14:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> There's a wiki page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TexasLinuxFest_(TXLF)_2016 01:14:18 <masta> huh 01:14:40 * masta is parasense 01:14:42 <award3535> the user listed is parasense 01:15:02 <award3535> as well as the event owner 01:15:13 <masta> .fasinfo parasense 01:15:13 <award3535> masta I believe that is you 01:15:13 <zodbot> masta: User: parasense, Name: Jon Disnard, email: jdisnard@gmail.com, Creation: 2011-02-21, IRC Nick: masta, Timezone: US/Central, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 01:15:16 <zodbot> masta: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_fpca cla_done ambassadors packager fedorabugs bodhiadmin fedora-arm signers epel-releng sysadmin releng-team sysadmin-releng 01:15:28 * masta that's me ^^ 01:15:46 <award3535> masta I will need to have lodging and travel updated as well 01:16:22 <masta> award3535, I'm bumming a ride with other attendees, and sleeping on a sofa in their hotel. I think the grand total will be ~ $200 01:16:24 <award3535> please check and see if the booth has been paid for, if not get me the contact information so that I can use the Fedora Meeting Card to pay 01:16:45 <masta> event overall would be $750 + 200 == $950 01:16:56 <masta> award3535, ok 01:17:01 * danofsatx checks out 01:17:06 <danofsatx> g'nite all 01:17:15 <award3535> thank your for checking in danofsatx 01:17:48 <award3535> masta I am going to pm you with my work phone number 01:19:06 <award3535> masta please update the wiki with intended items 01:20:29 <masta> ok 01:21:58 * masta updates wiki 01:22:16 <award3535> ok lets move on.... 01:22:22 <award3535> .famnaticket 140 01:22:23 <zodbot> award3535: #140 (Ordering new stickers for the region) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/140 01:22:24 * juggler waves 01:22:32 <award3535> #chair juggler 01:22:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx jflory7 juggler masta 01:23:01 <juggler> just back from work, hello all 01:23:02 <masta> round stickers or hex stickers? 01:23:14 <award3535> jflory7 this one is all you 01:23:21 <jflory7> Alrighty. 01:23:33 <award3535> I would recommend before making a decision we get samples 01:23:37 <jflory7> This is a ticket we voted on back in February and wanted to revisit once the budget was in and when we were in the new quarter 01:23:43 <award3535> from the new companies that is 01:23:55 <jflory7> The original vote was for UnixStickers, which is a partner of Fedora (officially) and offered us the special rate on stickers 01:24:10 <jflory7> They also have a guaranteed quality and spot worked hard on making these happen 01:24:35 <kk4ewt> only problem is we need under 1000 01:24:39 <jflory7> So going with UnixStickers would be considered a "safe" option, in my books. The stickers from UnixStickers are also pretty popular 01:24:40 <jflory7> Right. 01:24:45 <award3535> #chair kk4ewt 01:24:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx jflory7 juggler kk4ewt masta 01:24:54 <jflory7> So UnixStickers gives us 7,000 stickers of mixed variety for under 1,000 01:24:59 <jflory7> There was only one deal better than this 01:25:02 <jflory7> Also detailed in the ticket. 01:25:13 <award3535> the total amount cannot exceed 1k, otherwise its a PO 01:25:15 <jflory7> But Costco would give us roughly 10,000 for something like $900? 01:25:15 <kk4ewt> the ticket says $1000 01:25:18 * jflory7 goes to double check 01:25:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> I kinda like the hex ones 01:25:37 <jflory7> kk4ewt: I didn't get a specific number but they said $999 would be the cost 01:25:37 <award3535> again, new company should provide a sample first 01:25:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> RH had some printed up at their booth at SCaLE 01:25:52 <kk4ewt> lets get requotes please 01:25:56 <jflory7> Yeah, the concern with Costco is that we'd want to get a test copy first, I think 01:26:13 <award3535> new company should provide a sample first 01:26:28 <jflory7> I've purchased some of the UnixStickers Fedora stickers and I was very happy with their quality 01:26:32 <masta> let's do hex 01:26:34 <jflory7> But I can follow up with Costco 01:26:50 <jflory7> I didn't quote for hex stickers, but I'd need to get the design assets / SVGs for those for the quotes 01:26:59 <award3535> What we need is the price in writing actual quote 01:27:12 <award3535> quotes usually have an expiration date as well 01:27:15 <jflory7> I have the SVG logos for the original quote, but I do not have any hex sticker assets. 01:27:22 <award3535> been doing this awhile my self 01:27:22 * juggler likes hex too..it's different 01:27:38 <jflory7> I have the invoice from Costco, not from UnixStickers - I can follow up with both to see if the same rates apply 01:27:48 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder 01:27:48 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 01:27:49 <jflory7> I assume all the other vendors are out, right? 01:27:51 <linuxmodder> (late sorry) 01:28:03 <award3535> #chair linuxmodder 01:28:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx jflory7 juggler kk4ewt linuxmodder masta 01:28:03 <kk4ewt> jflory7, yes 01:28:08 * jflory7 nods 01:28:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> jflory7: We could probably get the hex file from RH? 01:28:27 <jflory7> Also, for UnixStickers, it would be an variety of the stickers here: http://www.unixstickers.com/fedora 01:28:46 <award3535> jflory7 please obtain actual written quotes and attached them to the ticket in PDF format 01:28:47 <kk4ewt> unixsticker might already have the graphics 01:28:56 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: Probably. I wonder if there is any past records from previous orders? 01:29:04 <jflory7> award3535: Acknowledged. Will follow up with both vendors 01:29:28 <jflory7> kk4ewt: When I contacted UnixStickers before, they could offer any of the stickers available on the website for us. Can make sure that is still the case when I follow up. 01:29:47 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Follow up with UnixStickers and Costco about previous quotes, request written invoice from both, attach to ticket 01:29:50 <award3535> remember the total cost cannot exceed 999 01:29:53 * jflory7 nods 01:30:07 <jflory7> I made that clear with both vendors last time - will make sure that is the #1 priority again 01:30:11 <kk4ewt> also mattdm might know where they got the hex stickers 01:30:18 <jflory7> I could drop him a ping too. 01:31:07 <award3535> since we have the people here I need to get TXLF total budget of $950.00 approved 01:31:36 <award3535> masta has updated the wiki 01:31:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1 01:32:09 <award3535> +1 01:32:21 <masta> +1 01:32:27 <jflory7> +1 01:32:54 <juggler> i'm having trouble locating it on the wiki...? 01:33:06 <juggler> looking here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events 01:33:11 <masta> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TexasLinuxFest_%28TXLF%29_2016#Budget 01:33:25 <juggler> ah 01:33:28 <juggler> (looking) 01:33:46 <juggler> +1 01:33:52 <juggler> ty masta 01:34:00 <masta> no, thank you! 01:34:09 <award3535> #agreed 950.00 for final budget 01:34:20 <kk4ewt> +1 01:34:22 <masta> thanks guys 01:34:26 <juggler> masta ;) 01:34:55 <kk4ewt> masta please put it on the events page as well please 01:35:06 <masta> kk4ewt, yes sir, will do 01:35:35 <kk4ewt> and do you want the banners and tablecloth get me a ticket to go out tomorrow 01:36:55 <award3535> moving on..... 01:37:02 <award3535> .famnaticket 146 01:37:04 <zodbot> award3535: #146 (HACKMIT 2016 Sponsorship) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/146 01:37:17 <kk4ewt> with monday being a holiday it needs to go out tomorrow 01:38:30 <award3535> jflory7 this one is also yours 01:38:39 * ParadoxGuitarist is impressed with jflory7 and his documentation skillz. 01:38:49 <juggler> Paradox +1 01:39:23 <award3535> now we just got to get him to do a wiki page that well 01:39:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> >.< 01:39:39 <jflory7> At the last meeting where we voted on this ticket, we voted to send two Ambassadors under the pretense of Red Hat sponsoring the event, and Fedora tagging along, like at OSCON 01:39:46 <jflory7> award3535: Already done and on the Events page. 01:39:57 <jflory7> Did that a few months ago 01:40:06 <jflory7> At the last meeting, we wanted more specific numbers on the travel costs 01:40:25 <jflory7> I broke down the estimated travel costs and budget for two Ambassadors to go, assuming both were from the northeastern US 01:40:39 <jflory7> My final estimated cost was $504.60 01:40:44 <jflory7> The breakdown is in the ticket and on the wiki page 01:41:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> Well, I'm +1 for this 01:41:02 <award3535> is the events page down, I can get to it 01:41:05 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HACKMIT/2016 01:41:33 <award3535> jflroy7 TY 01:41:37 <jflory7> award3535: Uh-oh, looks like a spam bot hit the Events page 01:41:45 <jflory7> I'll fix it 01:42:29 <award3535> I agree with this event, since sharing, and FOSSETCON not happening this year, I give this one a go 01:42:31 <jflory7> This has happened to a few other major wiki pages in the past few weeks - all of Fedora has been getting hit very hard by coordinated spammer accounts for the past month. :/ 01:42:39 <award3535> +1 01:43:04 <juggler> jflory7 :\ 01:43:20 <award3535> although I would bump the budget and propose to $650.00 to cover any other things that may pop up 01:43:34 <kk4ewt> 750 01:44:05 <award3535> jflory7 do you need swag and media as well 01:44:11 <kk4ewt> bump to 750 and lets see if he can come in under budget 01:44:15 <award3535> so I would agree to $750 as well 01:44:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1 01:44:32 <juggler> +1 $750 01:44:42 <jflory7> I think that would cover everything. If I recall, I factored in swag and media costs for budget, let me double check 01:45:26 <award3535> what about event box? shipping of that alone is about 30 01:45:41 <jflory7> I had $50 for shipping costs already factored in, $30 for other media production (e.g. Python flyers recently created by Marketing + Design) 01:45:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> More if it's full 01:45:52 <kk4ewt> as i have said all events should automaticly ahve at least 100 shipping budget 01:45:57 <jflory7> See my budget breakdown 01:45:59 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HACKMIT/2016#Event_Budget 01:46:10 <jflory7> kk4ewt: Ah, thought I remembered it being $50 from BrickHack 01:46:17 <jflory7> So it's $50 off on the budget for shipping then 01:46:19 <jflory7> +1 for $750 01:46:20 <award3535> I just plugged the number of 750 and it will work 01:46:34 <award3535> +1 $750.00 01:46:59 <award3535> that is 4 votes for that amount one more to carry it 01:47:47 <award3535> nevermind there is 5 do we all agree on $750.00 01:48:00 * juggler agrees 01:48:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> Yep 01:48:16 * juggler says Aye 01:48:28 <award3535> #agreed HACKMIT2016 budget $750.00 01:48:41 <award3535> #action jflory7 to update wiki and tickets 01:48:53 * jflory7 nods 01:48:55 <jflory7> Will do. 01:49:55 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:50:22 <award3535> ok the gates are open 01:50:54 <ParadoxGuitarist> We still using that spread sheet for shipping charges? 01:51:00 <linuxmodder> jflory7, you still need another hand or is cproffit tag teaming with oyu on hackmit? 01:51:22 <linuxmodder> I hope to get a FOSSON page up tonight or tomorrow for next month 01:51:29 <jflory7> About the Events wiki page, I'm filing a ticket with Infrastructure to restore the page after this outage finishes. 01:51:29 <kk4ewt> we need to start planning events as least 1-2 quarters ahead 01:51:29 <linuxmodder> FOSSCON* 01:51:38 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I believe so, need to check in with him again. 01:51:45 <award3535> I can see all shipping costs for Fedora now through UPS, please continue to email them to me 01:52:01 <linuxmodder> jflory7, if not and you need a second hand let me know nlt that the week before 01:52:10 * jflory7 nods 01:52:20 <jflory7> Figure should have a definite answer in July 01:52:30 <jflory7> Early July, really 01:52:32 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Do you just want text? Or more like a pdf? 01:52:33 <juggler_> sorry...a blip in my connection... 01:52:40 <juggler_> could you resend anything? lol 01:52:45 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist either is fine 01:52:57 <linuxmodder> what was last you saw juggler_ 01:52:58 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, i send him it as text in a email 01:53:06 <award3535> kk4ewt just forwards me the email he received 01:53:16 <juggler_> I didn't see anything after: regarding Bsideslv, is that being tabled for rediscussion in 2017? 01:53:38 <award3535> juggler SCALE happens in Jan 2017 01:53:46 <kk4ewt> cut and paste form the ups page 01:54:01 <award3535> that is a large event 01:54:29 <juggler_> "that" = ? 01:54:48 <award3535> Scale that is a large event as you already know 01:55:12 <juggler_> correct. my question however pertained to Bsideslv, though. 01:56:12 * linuxmodder will catch up the last bit on ML gotta bounce 01:56:14 <kk4ewt> juggler_, in las Vegas ? 01:56:42 <juggler_> correct. it's the smaller con adjacent to Defcon 01:56:49 <award3535> juggler that event may not make our budget, due to the next release will require media as well and LFNW 01:57:00 <award3535> and Scale 01:57:25 <juggler_> award3535 noted. just needed to know if I needed to make any sudden travel / hotel arrangements. :) 01:57:26 <award3535> I am constantly evaluating the budget 01:57:37 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm still looking for less conventional places to attend. 01:57:50 <juggler_> PG likewise here... 01:58:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> juggler_: If you know of any social justice orientated events in the area let me know. 01:59:02 <juggler_> PG: I don't know of any yet, but I will try to ask around 01:59:52 <award3535> PG and juggler, that is exactly the kind of attitude and imitative we need to pursue 02:00:03 <kk4ewt> juggler_, way too expansive from what i saw 02:00:24 <award3535> unconventional and different ideas, keep up the good work 02:00:55 <juggler_> kk4ewt ok. we'll reevaluate next year maybe and see if it flies 02:01:37 <award3535> does anyone else have anything.... 02:02:00 <award3535> before we wrap up 02:02:03 <kk4ewt> by my calculations we need to have at least 7K in the budget for the 4th quarter 02:02:32 <kk4ewt> 10K wouldnt hurt 02:02:34 <juggler_> um, did we need to look ahead next week to SCALE for January? Or is this early? 02:02:47 <kk4ewt> september 02:02:58 <kk4ewt> 10K wouldnt hurt 02:02:58 <juggler_> kk4ewt excellent 02:03:15 <award3535> I have already put the numbers is for SCALE and we have some room, not much 02:03:31 <kk4ewt> i would love to order 2 sets of banners and 2 tablecloths 02:03:38 <juggler_> also, kudos decause! 02:04:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's pretty early juggler_ 02:04:16 <ParadoxGuitarist> Unless you want to start planning a Fedora Activity Day 02:04:55 <juggler_> if we have a niceties and extra money to burn spreadsheet or a suggestion, if we could add buying a picoprojector for each of the eventboxes. 02:05:11 <kk4ewt> lol 02:05:27 <juggler_> PG ha, maybe ask me after the dust settles from the Fedora 24 release gathering 02:05:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: Ideally we should get 3 so the boxes all have matching ones. 02:05:53 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, centrals box gets used for 1 event a year 02:06:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> Though I'm fine with only 1 banner Setting up two can get odd looking 02:06:19 <juggler_> yeah and 2 can be HEAvy 02:06:42 <kk4ewt> 2 is 22lbs 02:06:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> Plus a 40 lbs event box 02:07:13 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, if you want another design for the banners now is time to talk to design 02:07:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok. 02:07:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> Want me to get some markups? 02:07:47 <kk4ewt> and the 24" banners will not fit in the event box 02:07:51 <award3535> we have 10.8K with all events and media plugged in, the stickers are not so we do have some room 02:08:15 <kk4ewt> award3535, you are counting media at 5K correct 02:08:22 <kk4ewt> 23 and 25 02:08:27 <kk4ewt> 24 02:08:41 <award3535> 24 and 25 at 2k each set 02:08:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> That's true, but ideally they should. 02:09:22 <award3535> kk4ewt those numbers are already plugged into the spread sheet 02:09:25 <kk4ewt> set of 2 banners run about 700 02:09:30 <kk4ewt> iirc 02:09:59 <kk4ewt> tablecloths run about the same price 700 each 02:10:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> 1/2 price if they're designed to be displayed singly. 02:10:11 <kk4ewt> yes 02:10:28 <kk4ewt> but you would want at least the 24" 02:10:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll talk to my friend who designed our last set of tshirts 02:11:47 <kk4ewt> file a design ticket 02:11:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok 02:12:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> Anything we want on it? 02:12:51 <kk4ewt> take the 2 banners and put them together 02:13:05 <ParadoxGuitarist> KK 02:13:20 <kk4ewt> imho 02:13:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> Baby is almost home and we're over time so I g2g 02:13:30 <juggler_> g2g here too 02:13:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> Thanks for the good meeting all. 02:13:48 * ParadoxGuitarist waves. 02:13:54 <juggler_> Good seeing everyone..thanks all.! 02:14:01 <award3535> thanks everyone, see everyone next week.... 02:14:13 <award3535> #endmeeting