01:20:33 <jflory7> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:20:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jun 10 01:20:33 2016 UTC. The chair is jflory7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:20:33 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:20:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:20:38 <jflory7> #meetingname famna 01:20:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:20:43 <jflory7> Or rather not at all... 01:20:45 <jflory7> Thanks for the ping, ParadoxGuitarist 01:20:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> np 01:20:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> ;) 01:20:52 <jflory7> #chair jsandys ParadoxGuitarist reher 01:20:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist jflory7 jsandys reher 01:21:05 <jflory7> So sorry I'm this late. :( 01:21:13 <jflory7> #topic === Roll Call === 01:21:22 <jflory7> Is it just the four of us tonight? 01:21:28 <jflory7> I know a lot of people are out getting ready for SELF. 01:22:48 * jflory7 is pulling up the tickets now. 01:24:01 <jflory7> Alrighty. I think it's just us. We can move on to the one ticket. 01:24:07 <jflory7> #topic === Tickets === 01:24:22 <jflory7> .ticket 146 01:24:23 <zodbot> jflory7: #146 (FAS shows an python error for unknown users) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/146 01:24:28 <jflory7> Whoops 01:24:31 <jflory7> .famna 146 01:24:44 <jflory7> .famnaticket 146 01:24:46 <zodbot> jflory7: #146 (HACKMIT 2016 Sponsorship) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/146 01:24:48 <jflory7> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/146 01:25:07 <jflory7> This is one of the same tickets from last week's agenda. 01:25:27 <jflory7> We were hoping to make a final decision I believe at the end of June or early July. 01:26:39 <jflory7> If you haven't checked it out yet, please give it a read. Red Hat is making plans on attending this event, and spot offered to do a similar kind of situation where Fedora attends in part with Red Hat for the event. 01:26:50 <jflory7> So we would have a part of the table at HACKMIT with Red Hat. 01:27:55 <jflory7> The only costs for this event we'd be looking at would be travel (gas/plane, lodging). 01:28:33 <jflory7> #info Current situation for HACKMIT: Red Hat looking at attending and spot offered for Fedora to attend alongside Red Hat (similar to OSCON). Only costs FAmNA would be expected to cover would be for travel and stay for (2) two Ambassadors. 01:28:57 <jflory7> We will wait to make a final decision probably later on, but of those in attendance, do you want to put a vote down on this now? 01:31:10 <reher> jflory7, I am being sponsored by award3535 and cannot vote yet, but I think its not a bad idea. 01:31:37 * jflory7 nods 01:32:07 <nb> hi 01:32:18 <jflory7> reher: If I didn't mention it before already, welcome to FAmNA, by the way! award3535 is a great mentor and should be able to get you up to speed with what being an Ambassador is all about. 01:32:22 <jflory7> #chair nb 01:32:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist jflory7 jsandys nb reher 01:32:37 <jflory7> Hey Nick! 01:32:58 <nb> let's wait to vote until more people are here 01:33:11 <reher> jflory7, thanks! Yes, I met him in person at Fossetcon. Great individual. 01:33:27 <jflory7> Yeah, that might be best. I'm slightly hesitant to lock in my vote yet too without knowing more specific information about the budget and how it applies to FAmNA. 01:33:42 <jflory7> I think we can opt to skip for now. But I'll update the ticket with any extra info. 01:33:56 <jflory7> #agreed Ticket #146: Opting to skip voting for now because of low attendance 01:34:01 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder 01:34:01 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 01:34:11 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Update Ticket #146 with info about Red Hat booth sharing 01:34:13 <jflory7> #chair linuxmodder 01:34:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist jflory7 jsandys linuxmodder nb reher 01:34:20 <jflory7> Hey Corey! 01:34:54 <kk4ewt> .hello jbwillia 01:34:55 <zodbot> kk4ewt: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@yahoo.com> 01:34:57 <jflory7> There was one more ticket that juggler filed and asked me to bring up tonight (emailed in advance), but we may be in a similar state on voting on it. 01:35:00 <jflory7> #chair kk4ewt 01:35:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist jflory7 jsandys kk4ewt linuxmodder nb reher 01:35:07 <jflory7> Hiya kk4ewt! 01:35:29 <jflory7> .famnaticket 149 01:35:30 <jflory7> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/149 01:35:30 <zodbot> jflory7: #149 (Fedora 24 Release Party 7/2/16 Sponsorship Request) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/149 01:35:49 <kk4ewt> well lets go back to the hackmit one 01:35:55 <jflory7> #undo 01:35:55 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x12c49150> 01:36:12 <jflory7> Alrighty. 01:36:17 <kk4ewt> jflory7, so when is the event and what budget amount are you requesting 01:36:54 <nb> #undo 01:36:54 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jflory7 at 01:34:11 : jflory7 Update Ticket #146 with info about Red Hat booth sharing 01:36:59 <nb> #undo 01:36:59 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by jflory7 at 01:33:56 : Ticket #146: Opting to skip voting for now because of low attendance 01:37:11 <jflory7> The event is September 17 - 18. Originally, we had ruled it out because sponsorship was well about $3000, but spot offered to have room for two Ambassadors at the table with Red Hat. 01:37:13 <jflory7> Thanks nb. 01:37:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> In famnarequests they're requesting 55 tshirts for the release party 01:37:44 <jflory7> I hadn't calculated costs on travel yet because of the new situation with Red Hat. But that can be my next action for this ticket. 01:38:00 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: That was related to juggler's ticket up next, I think. 01:38:11 <nb> jflory7, who are the ambassadors who are proposing to go? 01:38:37 <kk4ewt> jflory7, so when its comes down to who is going and the budget is proposed we can go from there 01:38:51 <jflory7> I had volunteered to attend this one, but I think the other spot hadn't been decided. I'll be in the region at the time of the event. 01:39:07 * jflory7 nods 01:39:23 <jflory7> I'll look up costs for gas / airfare and hotels to the event 01:39:41 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Research travel costs for HACKMIT, add to wiki page and ticket 01:40:02 <jflory7> #agreed Will revisit Ticket #146 at a later meeting when more planning details are available 01:40:13 <jflory7> Fortunately for this one, we have some time 01:40:21 <kk4ewt> ok next 01:40:22 <jflory7> .famnaticket 149 01:40:23 <jflory7> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/149 01:40:23 <zodbot> jflory7: #149 (Fedora 24 Release Party 7/2/16 Sponsorship Request) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/149 01:40:31 <kk4ewt> event page ?? 01:40:33 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: I think this was the ticket with that request. 01:41:13 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, do you have 55 tshirts 01:41:16 <jflory7> As far as I can see, it's just a ticket. We can have juggler create one for the release party. It looks to be around the same size as the NASA Space Apps event 01:41:27 <nb> jflory7, there's no event page for juggler's release party 01:41:35 <jflory7> #nick juggler 01:41:37 <nb> we can't vote on it until there is a eventp age with proposed budget, etc 01:41:49 <kk4ewt> all ambassador event that require funding must have an event page 01:41:59 <jflory7> Okay, I see. We'll have to skip over this one tonight and revisit at next week's meeting once a page is created. 01:42:09 <jflory7> I can get back with juggler to let him know we need the event page on the wiki 01:42:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: I do 01:42:20 <jflory7> #action juggler Create an event page for the F24 Release Party with local LUG 01:42:41 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Reply to juggler's email with information about needing more details 01:42:53 <jflory7> Okay. Anything else for this ticket? 01:42:55 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, then since this is in your area you can say if its the best use of the resources 01:43:35 * nb thinks 55 shirts is a little much for a release party, but that's up to the shipper sending them 01:43:49 <ParadoxGuitarist> It'll put a big dent in my supply 01:44:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> not a big deal if we're ordering more tshirts in fall 01:44:12 <ParadoxGuitarist> but I suspect that won't be the case. 01:44:34 <kk4ewt> i think 5 shirts is more reasonable for a release party personally 01:44:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> We hand out about 50 at SCaLE 01:44:37 <nb> ParadoxGuitarist, pm 01:45:00 <jflory7> I know we've already got a sticker order coming before that, I believe 01:45:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> which I've been low on for a while now 01:45:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> not to mention usbs 01:45:22 <kk4ewt> jflory7, are we ordering stickers? 01:45:35 <nb> ParadoxGuitarist, you have usbs? 01:45:37 <jflory7> kk4ewt: There's a ticket in the Trac that we were going to revisit sometime this quarter 01:45:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> not for a long time now 01:46:07 <nb> oh ok 01:46:17 <nb> last thing i heard is we won't order usbs because they are too damn expensive 01:46:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> I disagree, but meh 01:46:33 <kk4ewt> yeah usbs are tooooo expensive 01:47:17 <jflory7> Anything else for this ticket at the moment other than needing an event page? 01:47:23 <jflory7> If not, we can move to Open Floor 01:47:32 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, you find us a supplier for branded usbs less then $1 each 01:47:41 <kk4ewt> we can look at them 01:47:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think less than $2 still makes financial sense 01:48:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> Or even 3 01:48:08 <nb> ParadoxGuitarist, find a supplier for less than $2, maybe 01:48:16 <nb> $3, probably not going to happen, given the smaller budget 01:48:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> Well we didn't even by F23 media this year 01:48:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> *buy 01:48:46 <nb> ParadoxGuitarist, that's a different year, different budget 01:48:49 <jflory7> #topic === Open Floor === 01:49:25 <kk4ewt> we have a total budget this year that is 51% smaller than requested budget 01:50:09 <kk4ewt> i want new banners, new tablecloths but i am doubting that will happen 01:50:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> I agree 01:50:23 <jsandys> We don't need to give usb's to everyone, it would be good to get some fedora branded usb sticks 01:51:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> yeah, if that was the media we were releasing I wouldn't be trying to shove it away like we do with the DVDs 01:51:12 <kk4ewt> jsandys, i have been pricing them for the last few years branded sticks 2G costs $8-10 each 01:51:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> Where's our approved budget totals? 01:51:42 <kk4ewt> it has been sent to the ambassadors list 01:51:56 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: I found 4GB usbs for like $3.50 01:52:06 <nb> ParadoxGuitarist, branded? 01:52:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> yep 01:52:20 <kk4ewt> 29600 Is our totally 01:52:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> no data pre load 01:52:32 <nb> ParadoxGuitarist, link? 01:52:39 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll have to dig it up 01:53:55 <kk4ewt> so which do we want 800 usb keys or 2400 f24 DVDs 01:54:12 <kk4ewt> opps 700 usb kyes 01:54:57 <jsandys> 2000 DVDs and 100 USB keys 01:55:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> or 1200 and 300 01:55:26 <kk4ewt> nope cant do that 01:55:38 <kk4ewt> we have min orders 01:57:08 <jflory7> I think if USBs were to work, we'd have to have some way to verify that they were used and had an impact when given at the events. The difficult part is doing this without adding something to Fedora, which is obviously a privacy concern. 01:57:38 <jflory7> I think the best way to justify the cost for USBs, if that's what we want to do, is to come up with ways to demonstrate impact and how they are more effective than traditional media. 01:57:54 <jflory7> Once we have a way to approach it like that, I think we can revisit the idea of USBs. 01:58:24 <jflory7> But I think we'll have a hard time getting support from above unless we can show that the extra money on USBs is really making a big difference. 01:58:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> 1000 or more is less than $4 here... I remember finding cheaper ones a few years ago but... https://www.discountmugs.com/product/usb0024gb-4gb-swivel-logo-usb-flash-drives/ 01:59:27 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: My question is how do we know 1000 USBs will be more effective at spreading and growing Fedora than 1000 DVDs? 01:59:59 <ParadoxGuitarist> jflory7: I would say look at the number of new laptops that no longer come with DVD drives 02:00:38 <jsandys> I will add an event page and ticket for SeaGL, Seattle GNU/Linux Conference Nov 11-12. Tables are free, but they are requesting donations. And I will request some swag. 02:00:38 <jflory7> True. But people still take the media discs at events too. Is the target audience we're trying to reach for Fedora not have access to a media drive? 02:00:41 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, and most still come with external dvds 02:00:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> Not Macs 02:00:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> maybe it's being in SoCal 02:01:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> but that's what's in vogue right now 02:01:18 <jflory7> To be clear, I'm playing the devil's advocate - I think USBs are super convenient and more ideal than media, but we have to be creative with how we can explain and demonstrate impact since they're such a big cost compared to regular media. 02:01:25 <kk4ewt> jflory7, and at events we have offered to make usbkeys for people and we have less than 10 a year 02:01:34 <jflory7> That's also true as well. 02:02:00 <kk4ewt> the best advantage of the usbkey is we can rewrite the data 02:02:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> and hand out spins 02:02:23 <jsandys> ditto spins 02:02:39 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: Perhaps a good way to justify is deciding what type of media to bring based on the general type of people who attend an event. For example, if it's students, we could go off on the idea that students generally are using lightweight laptops / tablet-like computers that will not be able to use traditional media. And then we'd have to have some way to back up that claim. 02:03:00 <jflory7> In either case, we are a little bit past time and I don't know if this is a discussion we can resolve tonight. 02:03:15 <jflory7> I recommend we try approaching this from another angle and revisit at a later time. 02:03:55 <jflory7> Anyone opposed to us closing out now? 02:04:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll try to get some metrics 02:04:04 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist++ 02:04:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1 to close 02:04:20 <jflory7> That would be awesome. Metrics are a great way for us to try to demonstrate impact. 02:04:21 <kk4ewt> yeah i need get these mutliboot isos built for the table 02:04:33 <jflory7> Sounds good. I forgot you're getting ready for SELF, kk4ewt! 02:04:43 <jflory7> Enjoy the weekend at the table :) 02:04:50 <nb> +1 to #endmeeting 02:05:01 <jflory7> Send greetings to everyone else at the table for us too. 02:05:03 <jsandys> +1 02:05:07 <jflory7> For now, we will see you all next week. 02:05:09 <jflory7> #endmeeting