06:00:09 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n(i18n focused)
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06:00:15 <mfabian> Hi!
06:00:16 <pravins> #meetingname g11n(i18n focused)
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06:00:16 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:17 <suanand> hi..
06:00:20 <ueno> hi
06:00:25 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-06-08
06:00:36 <pravins> hi mfabian suanand ueno :)
06:00:43 <pravins> #chair mfabian suanand ueno
06:00:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian pravins suanand ueno
06:00:55 <paragan> hi
06:01:03 <Satya> hi
06:01:10 <pravins> hi paragan Satya :)
06:01:17 <pravins> #chair paragan Satya
06:01:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya mfabian paragan pravins suanand ueno
06:01:34 <epico> hi
06:01:38 <pravins> hi epico :)
06:01:41 <pravins> #chair epico
06:01:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand ueno
06:01:46 <anish_> hi
06:01:57 <pravins> hi anish_ long time :)
06:02:05 <pravins> good to see you here..
06:02:08 <pravins> #chair anish_
06:02:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya anish_ epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand ueno
06:02:15 <pravins> upcoming schedule
06:02:18 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:02:18 <pravins> #info 2016-06-14 	Fedora 23 Final Release
06:02:19 <anish_> thanks, yeah was busy
06:02:46 <juhp> hi
06:02:51 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:02:53 <pravins> #chair juhp
06:02:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya anish_ epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand ueno
06:03:02 <pravins> only last milestone that is F23 release.
06:03:14 <pravins> Are there any celebration plans from members?
06:03:25 <mfabian> F23?
06:03:55 <pravins> ohh, my mistake.
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06:04:21 <pravins> #info 2016-06-14  Fedora 24 Final Release
06:04:24 <anish_> installed F24 beta but did not get much time to play with it
06:04:48 <mfabian> I have it running on all my machines now. Works OK.
06:05:01 <pravins> Hinting for Cantarella made desktop more catchy..must try.
06:05:23 <pravins> I have not heard anything from Ambassadors mailing list as well.
06:05:26 <anish_> seems they have fixed driver/Xorg issues
06:05:53 <mfabian> anish_: What issues were these?
06:06:06 <pravins> There is article on community blog
06:06:08 <pravins> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-24-have-a-party/
06:06:40 <anish_> on my laptop i have NVDIA card in previous release i could not run X-org
06:06:51 <anish_> but with F24 i can
06:06:57 <pravins> I am planning for 2-3 parties this time ;) Lets see how it goes.
06:07:01 <pravins> anish_: excellent !!
06:07:16 <anish_> i had to tweak it
06:07:35 <pravins> Let me know, if you are planning for any release party and need any assistance, i would love to help connect with others.
06:07:48 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:07:56 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (mfabian)
06:07:56 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:08:56 <pravins> I saw Peter has created bug at upstream https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96418
06:09:05 <pravins> anish_: might be good if you can comment on bugzilla.
06:09:16 <anish_> sure thanks
06:09:27 <pravins> mfabian: thanks for your patch, i hope we can complete this activity for Fedora 25.
06:10:02 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:10:08 <pravins> #info #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins)
06:10:08 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
06:10:21 <pravins> Unfortunately this did not worked that well as i thought for Fedora 24.
06:12:42 <pravins> thanks suanand aeng and jibecfed for your input on page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
06:13:07 <suanand> :)
06:13:29 <aeng> :)
06:13:57 <pravins> suanand: i think, we should now triage regarding what things we actually able to complete and what are open.
06:14:23 <suanand> agree
06:14:24 <pravins> We got more input for L10N this time. Will try if we can have more things for I18N side as well for Fedora 25.
06:14:58 <pravins> #action pravins to create new page for F25 Enhancement and will add initial points for from F24 page with missed things.
06:15:18 <suanand> we may have quick discussions around tasks and their priority.. I think
06:15:24 <pravins> But we must agree, this time we have more things to say other than Change proposals with Enhancement page.
06:15:37 <pravins> suanand +1
06:16:33 <pravins> I will close this ticket and will open new one.
06:18:03 <pravins> moving to next ticket
06:18:04 <pravins> #info #61: FTBFS bugs for Rawhide (pravins)
06:18:04 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61
06:19:02 <pravins> 2 bugs are still open
06:19:07 <pravins> .bug 1307714
06:19:08 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1307714 libUnihan: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1307714
06:19:17 <pravins> .bug 1308194
06:19:19 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1308194 translate-toolkit: FTBFS in rawhide - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1308194
06:19:54 <pravins> Let me try to ping here again :)
06:24:52 <pravins> If someone want to help here
06:24:54 <pravins> please feel free
06:25:17 <pravins> linUnihan maintained by Dchen
06:25:30 <pravins> translate-toolkit looks non-responsive maintainer to me now.
06:27:02 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:27:09 <pravins> #info #63: Bug triaging activity post F24 Beta release (pravins)
06:27:09 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/63
06:27:54 <pravins> Satya: i saw few movements on bug from your side.
06:27:57 <Satya> yep
06:28:44 <Satya> we have identified and triaged 29 fedora bugs which were with 'i18n' keywords and mostly on either NEW or ASSIGNED status
06:28:55 <Satya> last week
06:29:47 <Satya> there are many more i18n bugs but the keyword 'i18n' is not updated, so, we need to search common fedora bugs and find the i18n issue there.
06:30:05 <pravins> Satya: We do have list of i18n bugs
06:30:13 <Satya> we will do that as well, if pravins can help to find, it will be great।
06:30:26 <pravins> Its listed on ticket
06:30:27 <pravins> https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/63
06:30:45 <Satya> pravins, please share, we will find time and triage the rest of the bugs.
06:30:47 <pravins> Satya: can you update ticket with bugs you done triaging.
06:30:54 <Satya> sure. will update shortly.
06:31:06 <pravins> #action pravins to share i18n bugs list with Satya
06:31:24 <pravins> #action Satya to update triaged bug list on ticket.
06:32:07 <pravins> .bug 1318045
06:32:11 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1318045 Incorrect keymap when decrypting encrypted partitions - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1318045
06:32:25 <juhp> satya: great
06:32:56 <pravins> We found root cause behind this bug now and closed now as a Duplicate of main issue.
06:33:14 <pravins> i was just thinking for main motive behind triaging.
06:33:26 <pravins> Moving all bugs to currect release and then prioritizing bugs.
06:33:59 <pravins> So the success criteria here is to get i18n bug list for F23 and F24 "Zero"
06:34:12 <pravins> I hope with the help of Satya we can manage that.
06:34:39 <pravins> .bug 1333998
06:34:43 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1333998 After Russian install, console keymap is 'us', not 'ru' - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1333998
06:35:18 <pravins> As mentioned by adamw, updated systemd resolves this issue.
06:35:28 <pravins> Fedora 24 Current blocker list https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/24/final/buglist
06:36:21 <juhp> oh good
06:36:52 <adamw> there is still one quite bad keyboard-related bug unfortunately
06:37:02 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1331382
06:37:15 * pravins checking
06:37:19 <pravins> .bug 1331382
06:37:20 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1331382 Anaconda layout indicator does not switch the keyboard layout when clicked when running live - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1331382
06:39:51 <juhp> ah
06:42:04 <pravins> adamw: thanks for pointing to this issue. I hope someone from i18n side will test it.
06:42:16 <adamw> well, we know it's broken, the trick is figuring out how to fix it...
06:42:25 <adamw> i'm trying to find a bit of time to work on it
06:43:22 <pravins> #chair
06:43:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya anish_ epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand ueno
06:43:31 <pravins> would someone like to work on this issue?
06:44:21 <pravins> adamw: i will see if i can find time for this as well :)
06:44:41 <pravins> moving to next topc
06:44:43 <pravins> topic
06:44:51 <pravins> #info #64: Fedora 25 planning (pravins)
06:44:51 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/64
06:45:02 <pravins> I think, we could have started with this topic itself today.
06:45:09 <pravins> Not good to take this last :(
06:45:47 <pravins> I gone through few ideas we are discussing from F23 onwards
06:46:47 <pravins> - String Breakage monitoring
06:47:14 <pravins> #idea String Breakage monitoring
06:47:21 <pravins> #idea IBus Typing booster multi-lingual
06:47:46 <pravins> mfabian: i think for typing booster multi-lingual most of the things done.
06:47:57 <pravins> We need to take more review from users and make it release ready.
06:48:01 <mfabian> ibus-typing-booster has multilingual support now.
06:48:09 <anish_> whats multi-lingual support?
06:48:14 <mfabian> The UI to set it up is not nice though.
06:48:38 <mfabian> anish_: You can use for example English and Marathi in the same engine.
06:48:46 <anish_> awesome
06:48:50 <pravins> suanand: dunno, if you can find some time for String breakage monitoring this time :)
06:49:07 <anish_> i will test it
06:49:10 <suanand> actually, thinking about the same
06:49:12 <pravins> We should ideally discuss this more with G11N side with aeng and other though for prioritizing.
06:49:31 <mfabian> anish_: Choose the Marathi engine and then check "Add direct input" in the setup tool, this adds English support to the Marathi engine.
06:49:38 <suanand> planning to have some progress by end of this month
06:50:03 <suanand> may be we can discuss objectives/features
06:50:19 <pravins> suanand: yes, need to retouch that again.
06:50:32 <anish_> cool
06:50:48 <pravins> #idea Need to think for string breakage monitoring objectives/features.
06:50:53 <pravins> #idea Glibc
06:51:01 <suanand> pravins, an action item/ticket would be of some help to track progress ..do we have one?
06:51:49 <mfabian> anish_: https://mike-fabian.github.io/ibus-typing-booster/documentation.html#multilingual-input
06:52:14 <anish_> thanks mfabian
06:52:29 <pravins> suanand: yes, we do have one. i think i closed as a deferred.
06:52:49 <pravins> will check later
06:52:57 <suanand> okay :)
06:53:14 <pravins> mfabian: We recently saw some movement on merging Glibc localedate with CLDR
06:53:25 <pravins> dunno, if we can target it with someway by Fedora.
06:53:43 <pravins> target/collaborate/watch-closely
06:53:58 <pravins> #undo
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06:54:06 <mfabian> pravins: Yes, I’ll have a look.
06:54:12 <pravins> #idea Glibc localedata sync with Unicode CLDR.
06:54:22 <pravins> any other things from Glibc side?
06:55:02 <pravins> #idea Improvements to anaconda layout chooser
06:55:25 <pravins> juhp: this one i picked up from Gnome region redesign tickets.
06:56:07 <pravins> Can you provide some more input on this, then we can see if someone from Anaconda team would like to work on this.
06:56:47 <pravins> #idea Listing out deprecated/obscure keyboard layout
06:57:24 <pravins> again this is more aligned with our work on blacklisting Indic XKB layout
06:58:18 <pravins> #idea Revisit Zanata survey feedback
06:58:26 <pravins> aeng: I think its good time to revisit this.
06:58:37 <pravins> we can more track this at G11N side though.
06:59:01 <pravins> #idea Fedora Atomic review from G11N
06:59:13 <pravins> I am planning to work on this in Fedora 25.
06:59:24 <juhp> pravins, okay
06:59:37 <pravins> puiterwijk is going help to me for this :)
06:59:51 <pravins> please note, will extend meeting for 10min more today.
06:59:57 <puiterwijk> pravins: yup :)
07:00:00 <pravins> Few more ideas, at least i would like to mention.
07:00:11 <pravins> #idea Centralization of Hunspell dictionaries
07:00:27 <pravins> anish_: paragan i think we never able to move work on this.
07:00:47 <pravins> Its more upstream kind issue though
07:01:01 <anish_> yeah we can try though
07:01:33 <pravins> i remember Carolong from libreoffice also supported this idea.
07:01:51 <pravins> #idea Introductory course for starting localization/i18n with Fedora
07:02:01 <pravins> anish_: i am thinking to have this going somehow this time
07:02:14 <pravins> I am sure, Council would be happy to have this.
07:02:23 <anish_> pravins, cool
07:02:42 <pravins> So, as soon as i find someone to takeover on this, will connect with you.
07:03:07 <anish_> pravins, thanks
07:03:14 <pravins> anish_: might be we should prepare some initial plan/draft for this. It will help us to get more ideas to people.
07:03:21 <paragan> anish_, you worked on modifying affix rules, where did you host your work?
07:03:43 <paragan> github?
07:03:57 <anish_> paragan, bitbucket
07:04:01 <pravins> decause_otg: would like this :)
07:04:12 <paragan> anish_, thanks
07:04:18 <pravins> #idea LiveCD images
07:05:08 <pravins> We discussed this plan initially in FAD.
07:05:11 <paragan> Yeah I am working on this, let's see if dnf can help us.
07:05:26 <paragan> dnf is the most hurdle now for langpacks
07:05:30 <pravins> paragan: great, lets hope for best :)
07:05:32 <paragan> there is no help from dnf developers
07:05:55 <pravins> umm, lets plan for this separately.
07:06:06 <pravins> #idea Langpacks using rpm weak deps
07:06:23 <pravins> I am listing this again here, since we have not got solution for this.
07:06:38 <pravins> So need to see in F25, if we can do something for this.
07:06:40 <paragan> this is only not working from anaconda
07:06:46 <paragan> otherwise works fine
07:07:36 <pravins> nice, so we have second one for Anaconda :)
07:07:47 <pravins> looks we need more collaboration with Anaconda this time.
07:07:54 <pravins> #idea ITS for Gnome
07:08:06 <pravins> really dont know whats status about this presently.
07:08:17 <pravins> ueno: do we have anything to do or plan for Fedora 25.
07:08:28 <ueno> not sure if there is anything left to be done
07:08:32 <pravins> I think even if we can get ideas on what to do, that will be hlpeful :)
07:08:51 <pravins> ueno: wow, that nice to know :)
07:09:11 <pravins> #info Most of the work on ITS for Gnome has been done. Not much for F25.
07:09:18 <pravins> #idea Automatic testing
07:09:34 <pravins> tagoh_: We started initial discussion on this in FAD.
07:09:48 <pravins> Satya: has shown interest about working on this.
07:10:03 <pravins> #action pravins to talk with Satya again on automated testing stuff.
07:10:11 <pravins> #idea Description support of the configuration in fontconfig
07:10:22 <pravins> tagoh_: i got it from FAD plans :)
07:10:40 <pravins> dunno, are we planning for it or simply deferring for next release.
07:10:53 <pravins> i am almost done with all ideas
07:11:09 <pravins> if there are any ideas, please post it on ticket https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/64
07:11:27 <pravins> I am sure with recent developments there must be new idea/plans
07:11:41 <pravins> I think, these many ideas surely deserve blog somewhere ;)
07:11:49 <pravins> moving to last topic
07:11:54 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:12:06 <pravins> Anything did we missed??
07:13:14 <pravins> if nothing there lets close meeting in 1 min.
07:13:25 <mfabian> Are there more recent images than 24_Beta-1.6? Where?
07:14:20 <pravins> mfabian: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/24_Beta/Workstation/x86_64/iso/ it shows me same one.
07:14:25 <pravins> 1.6
07:14:49 <mfabian> That is more than a month old, so I thought there must be something newer.
07:15:06 <pravins> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Workstation/x86_64/iso/
07:15:09 <paragan> mfabian, Final images are not started yet I guess
07:15:36 <mfabian> No release candidates yet, although the release is so close?
07:16:22 <pravins> true.
07:17:04 <pravins> mfabian: lets take this on #fedora-g11n channel
07:17:16 <pravins> closing meeting.
07:17:23 <pravins> Thanks everyone for nice meeting.
07:17:28 <pravins> #endmeeting