05:00:34 <tuanta> #startmeeting APAC 2016-04-29
05:00:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 29 05:00:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:00:41 <pjp> Hello,
05:00:46 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
05:00:50 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
05:00:51 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
05:00:57 <tuanta> hello pjp
05:01:39 <paragan> hi
05:01:43 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
05:01:44 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
05:01:47 <pjp> .fas pjp
05:01:49 <zodbot> pjp: sandeepj 'sandeepj' <sandeepjp22@gmail.com> - pjp '' <pj.pandit@yahoo.co.in> - pjpedro 'PJ Pedro' <pjpedro@rogers.com>
05:02:13 <pjp> Wow! Many pjps
05:02:28 <paragan> :)
05:03:02 <kushal> pjp, use .hellomynameis
05:04:58 <praveenkumar> .fas kumarpraveen
05:04:58 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen '' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
05:05:03 <tuanta> any more attendees? should we wait more?
05:06:08 <pjp> Any idea where are Prima, Hurien, Izhar, ?
05:06:28 <pjp> Somvannda ?
05:06:36 <tuanta> #info today agenda: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9
05:07:03 <tuanta> #topic Select FY17 APAC Delegates
05:07:10 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/234
05:07:30 <tuanta> no more ideas, just me and pjp commented in
05:07:50 * kushal looks again
05:08:07 <tuanta> pjp, have you contacted to Gerard to confirm?
05:08:21 <kushal> just now commented
05:08:52 <pjp> tuanta: About upcoming FAD, we need to decide venue and time,
05:09:21 <pjp> tuanta: Yes, he confirmed on email, but no contact since then
05:09:24 <amit> hey all
05:09:31 <pjp> amit: Hi,
05:10:01 <GIANT_CRAB> hi
05:10:12 <GIANT_CRAB> .fas woohuiren
05:10:12 <zodbot> GIANT_CRAB: woohuiren 'Woo Huiren' <giantcrabby@gmail.com>
05:10:19 <tuanta> pjp, I think we need a final confirmation. He should be responsive for his new role
05:10:40 <tuanta> any other candidates?
05:10:44 <pjp> tuanta: Yes, I'll ask ping him to comment on the ticket
05:11:10 <pjp> GIANT_CRAB: Hi,
05:11:23 <tuanta> #action pjp to confirm with gbraad for Storyteller role
05:12:08 <tuanta> #topic APAC FAD for budget planning
05:12:37 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next#The_Fedora_Budget_Process
05:13:50 <GIANT_CRAB> hello MarkDude
05:14:28 <tuanta> according to the new budget process, Budget Submission should be done by October
05:14:46 <tuanta> so we need to hold this FAD before that
05:14:51 <kushal> tuanta, Yes
05:15:40 <pjp> tuanta: by August, no?
05:15:58 <tuanta> we have a proposal now from Indonesia team: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Yogyakarta_2016
05:16:40 <pjp> tuanta: October is budget submission from FCL -> Red Hat,
05:16:49 <tuanta> pjp, on Aug, there is a Budget Session at Flock. but I am not sure APAC can present there
05:17:41 <tuanta> kushal, ah I see, so we need to get it done sooner
05:17:56 <pjp> tuanta: IIUC, we'll have to submit to the council before that, early July maybe
05:18:27 <pjp> tuanta: As in, we discuss it early July, and submit before August
05:18:33 <tuanta> pjp, yes, sorry, my fault
05:18:34 <tuanta> | Jul '16  |         FY18     | Budget Proposal for Next Year | Regions and Subprojects, FCL  |
05:18:52 <tuanta> by July, wow, too soon
05:18:59 <pjp> Yeah,
05:19:34 <tuanta> now there is a proposal from Indonesia team
05:19:41 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Yogyakarta_2016
05:19:53 <pjp> That's why Prima should have been here, to discuss about proposal
05:20:04 <tuanta> proposed dates are 23-24th of July
05:20:17 <tuanta> +1 pjp
05:20:28 <MarkDude> Hello GIANT_CRAB and all
05:20:29 <pjp> IMO, early July wood be better
05:21:16 <pjp> Maybe 9-10 July ?
05:21:45 <tuanta> both are fine to me; but I think it depends on availability of Indonesia team
05:21:55 <pjp> Yes,
05:22:03 <tuanta> we need to propose this change and discuss with Prima
05:22:08 <tuanta> how about the location (Yogyakarta)?
05:22:08 <pjp> If not, we'll have to consider another venue maybe.
05:22:27 <tuanta> pjp, why?
05:22:39 <kushal> tuanta, It is costly to go
05:23:14 <pjp> tuanta: As in if it does not work for Indonesia team, just saying.
05:23:19 <tuanta> pjp, why do you want to fix that early dates?
05:24:06 <pjp> tuanta: So that we'll have time befor August to prepare and send, in case there are anything to finalise etc.
05:24:32 <tuanta> pjp, I got your point
05:24:53 <tuanta> so we need to propose this change to discuss with Prima
05:24:59 <pjp> Yes,
05:25:03 <tuanta> pjp, can you take this action?
05:25:10 <pjp> tuanta: Okay
05:25:29 <tuanta> #action pjp to propose new dates to Indonesia team
05:25:38 <pjp> Is there a ticket about APAC Fad ?
05:25:56 <tuanta> not yet now, you should create one too
05:26:10 <pjp> tuanta: Okay,
05:26:11 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
05:26:11 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
05:26:20 <tuanta> #action pjp to create a new Trac ticket to discuss about APAC FAD on July
05:26:28 <pjp> gnokii: Hi,
05:26:46 <MarkDude> Hello Thor :)
05:26:49 <tuanta> +1 kushal, that city is costly for flights
05:27:40 <tuanta> we need to discuss with Prima if we can change to Jakarta or somewhere easier for flights
05:27:44 <gnokii> !!
05:27:52 <gnokii> you can take this action of
05:28:39 <pjp> I'll add it to the same ticket.
05:28:51 <tuanta> +1 pjp
05:28:52 <gnokii> pjp the action is unnecessary
05:28:53 <pjp> change of dates + city
05:30:03 <pjp> gnokii: ticket will help with discussion/updates
05:30:30 <kushal> gnokii, creating ticket actions are useful
05:30:43 <kushal> We do that all the time in cloud wg.
05:30:52 <kushal> Helps us to remember things
05:32:53 <gnokii> pjp I dont mean the ticket, I mean speak with the indonesians
05:33:20 <tuanta> gnokii, can you explain more?
05:33:29 <gnokii> have already done that, they wont do it in June because of rammadan
05:34:00 <MarkDude> gnokii: did you mean for time or location?
05:34:02 <tuanta> pjp proposed to change to 9-10th of July
05:35:01 <pjp> If it works for all,
05:35:41 <MarkDude> Before the 6th of June after the 5th of July are nogos.
05:36:07 <pjp> MarkDude: ?
05:36:25 <MarkDude> For time of Ramadan
05:36:58 <MarkDude> Its a month long. I think thats what gnokii is pointing out :)
05:37:09 <tuanta> so 9-10th of July are OK
05:37:39 <pjp> MarkDude: Ie. Between 6 June - 5 July, yep
05:38:02 <gnokii> fine we take 9 and 10th tuanta has bday on 8th so we all drink for free
05:38:06 <MarkDude> It can vary by 11 days, but I think that time is ok, it varies by country I guess
05:38:20 <pjp> gnokii: :) +10
05:38:36 <tuanta> thanks for remember me :)
05:39:05 <gnokii> ok, we can try if Prima would be willing to do it that weekend but it did not look to me that way as I spoke with him, we need a fallback
05:39:58 <tuanta> we should discuss with him more to finalize the best solution
05:40:15 <tuanta> a ticket is a good place for that discussion
05:40:26 <pjp> tuanta: Yep,
05:40:33 <tuanta> to get updated to everyone
05:40:43 <tuanta> so pjp, please follow those actions :)
05:40:49 <gnokii> tuanta: you like discussions, you should join a debate club, I prefer getting things done and that means a fallback
05:40:51 <pjp> tuanta: Yes
05:40:57 <tuanta> #chair pjp kushal gnokii
05:40:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii kushal pjp tuanta
05:41:13 <tuanta> #chair MarkDude
05:41:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: MarkDude gnokii kushal pjp tuanta
05:41:32 <tuanta> #chair GIANT_CRAB
05:41:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: GIANT_CRAB MarkDude gnokii kushal pjp tuanta
05:41:33 <pjp> gnokii: PhnomPen for falback?
05:41:56 <gnokii> pjp we can do but its only when there is no other option
05:42:02 <kushal> we can do it in India too
05:42:04 <kushal> say in Pune
05:42:05 <sayan> .fas sayanchowdhury
05:42:05 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
05:42:12 <sayan> sorry for being late
05:42:27 <tuanta> #chair sayan
05:42:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: GIANT_CRAB MarkDude gnokii kushal pjp sayan tuanta
05:42:33 <gnokii> kushal: that will be to expensive, its differnt to fly one indian to sea as flying several from there to india
05:43:03 <tuanta> +1 gnokii. somewhere in ASEAN is better
05:43:03 <pjp> gnokii: +1
05:43:13 <kushal> gnokii, True, but tell me a place where it is not true (corresponding to one from that country) ?
05:44:22 <pjp> Time check - we are running short on time, more things on agenda
05:44:23 <gnokii> options are only Vietnam, Malaysia, Cambodia, Myanmar and China right now
05:44:49 <gnokii> Phillippines said they cant as in that month are elections and that means riots
05:45:01 <pjp> gnokii: I'll include them in the ticket to check they could do it.
05:47:27 * tuanta has to go now. it's appreciated if someone can take the chair to follow this meeting
05:48:22 <kushal> pjp, can you please do that? I am on a meeting
05:48:27 <kushal> and the next ticket is from me
05:49:04 <pjp> kushal: okay
05:49:23 <pjp> #topic ticket -> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/230
05:50:29 <pjp> I think there is not much to discuss, we can approve it subject to availability of funds/budget
05:51:14 <pjp> However, practice should not be followed, once budget is approved, tickets should be booked immediately to avoid such loss
05:51:31 <gnokii> ?
05:51:32 <MarkDude> Parts of PH differ there,, and have places that work for GDG events
05:51:50 <pjp> gnokii: travel request -> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/230
05:52:02 <pjp> MarkDude: ?
05:52:09 <gnokii> I see but I dont understand the booking comment right now
05:52:15 <kushal> pjp, I filed the ticket based on the idea that I will stay back for weekend, but figured out I can not.
05:53:04 <kushal> People should either approve or cancel this request. No meaning to keeping it hanging.
05:53:09 <pjp> kushal: Agreed, we to plan better,
05:53:14 <MarkDude> (/me was just downplaying politics in PH, thats all. Not a proposal, sorry.)
05:53:17 <gnokii> for me that is very simple remember budgeted event, its up to the event owner if he can pay himself that :)
05:53:42 <pjp> *we need to
05:54:29 <pjp> Please vote on the ticket, we've 5 mins to go
05:55:21 <pjp> I'm yet to contact ambassador's about their media requirements, will ping them later today about -> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/229
05:56:00 * MarkDude thought this was approved already. It should be +1
05:56:35 <pjp> It is, we need to collate numbers again,
05:56:49 <gnokii> pjp see above, its up to the event owner if he can afford 120$ of his budget of 300$ for the flight
05:57:36 <pjp> gnokii: $120 + $100
05:57:50 <gnokii> 220$
05:58:12 <kushal> There were no other expenditure from Fedora community budget for that event.
05:58:20 <pjp> Yes,
05:58:34 <gnokii> so, what is this discussion then about?
05:59:23 <gnokii> สุขสันต์วันเกิดครับลุง
05:59:38 <pjp> gnokii: about not following the practice, we can approve this time
05:59:55 <pjp> Okay 1 min to go
06:00:06 <kushal> So either approve or decline.
06:00:32 <pjp> #approved ticket #230
06:00:56 <pjp> Please write to the Ambassador's list for any follow-ups,
06:01:53 <pjp> #endmeeting