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20:56:18 <jflory7> #startmeeting Fedora Magazine editorial board (2016-04-14)
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20:56:21 <jflory7> #meetingname magazine
20:56:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine'
20:56:25 <jflory7> #topic Roll Call
20:56:28 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
20:56:29 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
20:56:42 <jflory7> We'll wait another ten minutes before getting started.
20:57:14 <croberts> .fas chrisroberts
20:57:14 <zodbot> croberts: chrisroberts 'Chris Roberts' <chris.roberts@croberts.org>
20:57:17 <jflory7> #chair croberts
20:57:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts jflory7
20:57:23 <jflory7> o/ Afternoon!
20:57:28 <croberts> hey
20:58:12 <jflory7> We'll wait until five minutes after the hour before getting started while people roll in.
20:58:19 * jflory7 is crunching numbers for this week
20:59:13 <croberts> ok
21:02:32 <linuxmodder> .fas corey84
21:02:33 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
21:03:21 <ridgemat> Hi all, hope you don't mind me being here - I am interested in writing some articles for the magazine :)
21:03:37 <jflory7> #chair linex_
21:03:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts jflory7 linex_
21:03:45 <jflory7> ridgemat: Hi there, welcome to the Magazine meeting! :)
21:04:14 <ridgemat> jflory7: Thanks! I have been waiting for it all day :) I won't get in the way, promise
21:04:18 <jflory7> While we're waiting to get started, want to do a brief introduction? Name, interests in Fedora, what you want to write about?
21:05:32 <ridgemat> Sure! I'm Matt Harwood, user of Redhat and Fedora since... Redhat Linux 5.0 :) Sysadmin in Education (MS Networks) and would like to focus on how Fedora appeals to devs and sysadmins
21:06:08 <ridgemat> I wrote this 18 months ago https://medium.com/@mattharwood/fedora-the-platform-for-developers-4373012f9f3b#.cf1h7vo8b
21:06:45 <jflory7> Welcome aboard to the Magazine team, Matt! Happy to have you here. After the meeting, you should also subscribe to the Marketing mailing list and shoot a brief intro there too for the rest of the Magazine team who couldn't make it.
21:07:40 <jflory7> A few other Magazine faces you will see is ryanlerch (Ryan), who is the editor-in-chief. He's based in Australia, so time zones are a challenge sometimes for meeting coordination. Another face you'll see is stickster (Paul). He was unable to make it tonight. Normally he chairs the meetings, but I'm filling in tonight.
21:07:45 <ridgemat> Thanks jflory7 ! I'm planning on doing so. I was subscribed some time ago but life got busy, I'll make sure to reintroduce.
21:08:04 <jflory7> I'm a fellow editor and administrator for the Magazine. croberts is also an administrator for the Magazine too.
21:08:23 <jflory7> ridgemat: Awesome, sure thing! When you have the time, that would be excellent. :)
21:08:40 <jflory7> #info In attendance: jflory7, croberts, linuxmodder, ridgemat
21:08:46 <ridgemat> Great info - thanks. I think the magazine is great, and more of it won't be a bad thing :)
21:08:52 <croberts> welcome ridgemat
21:09:16 <jflory7> #info ridgemat is attending for the first time and is interested in writing with the Magazine! Is a sysadmin in education and wants to help show how Fedora appeals to developers and sysadmins.
21:09:18 <jflory7> #link https://medium.com/@mattharwood/fedora-the-platform-for-developers-4373012f9f3b#.cf1h7vo8b
21:09:23 <jflory7> Alright, let's jump into the meeting!
21:09:31 <jflory7> #topic Week in review
21:09:50 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  told  decause  earlier  my  badlock  blog post is  up and you all have  liberty to change for a  mag  article as I have  no cycles for it thru the weekend
21:10:20 <jflory7> #info Monday: Originally, GIMP article was supposed to go out but jflory7 didn't get it edited in time. ryanlerch edited it and we agreed in #fedora-mktg to schedule it for this upcoming Monday.
21:10:51 <jflory7> #info Wednesday: "Screenshot everything with Shutter on Fedora", Friday will be the next part of the Files series
21:11:20 <jflory7> #info Last week's views: 35,226
21:11:28 <jflory7> #info This week so far: 18,227
21:11:44 <jflory7> #info Last month's views: 185,199
21:11:52 <jflory7> #info This month so far: 66,709
21:12:02 <jflory7> Okay, that should be everything on my books so far.
21:12:26 <jflory7> We had a lot of big ticket articles go out last month, like the F24 Alpha announcement, so that brought a notable surge in readership for a while from the normal numbers.
21:12:51 <jflory7> This month is still looking pretty solid so far and we have a few more great ideas lined up for the future.
21:13:02 <jflory7> With that, let's look at pending review articles!
21:13:16 <jflory7> Or maybe not, we don't have any pending review right now.
21:13:21 <jflory7> #topic Pending review
21:13:28 <jflory7> #info No articles pending review at the moment
21:13:33 <jflory7> #topic Drafts
21:13:41 <ridgemat> I'll have that fact changed as soon as I can :)
21:14:10 <jflory7> ridgemat++
21:14:15 <jflory7> #info === "How to take quick screencasts on Fedora Workstation" ===
21:14:22 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12597&preview=1&_ppp=8c4e0ff5f3
21:14:26 * jflory7 is waiting for the article to pull up
21:14:48 <jflory7> Oh, whoops, seems like this one is still in-progress by ryanlerch.
21:15:08 <jflory7> We'll check in on this one later when he's around. I think this is a new one too, I don't remember seeing this one last week.
21:15:38 <jflory7> #info Draft is not yet finished and is still in progress; will check in with ryanlerch next week or at the next meeting about this article
21:16:23 <jflory7> #info === "Protect your privacy with OpenVPN" ===
21:16:30 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10253&preview=1&_ppp=fc85e9792f
21:16:51 <jflory7> So, as a little background for this one, we've been looking for a technical author to finish this one off for a while.
21:17:11 <croberts> my open vpn knowledge is heh
21:17:40 <jflory7> I originally drafted this back in October, but I was planning to write about OpenVPN access server. I discovered later that this topic had a few legal implications for that, and I wasn't as savvy with setting up a traditional OpenVPN server.
21:18:04 <jflory7> croberts: Same here too.
21:18:54 <jflory7> nirik is currently slated to take on this article for publishing next Friday (2016-04-22), but he has a lot on his plate, so if anyone was ready to tackle this one, I don't think Kevin would mind. :)
21:19:17 <linuxmodder> I'll tag team with Kevin on that  one
21:19:27 <linuxmodder> I use a  openvpn  personally
21:19:45 <jflory7> linuxmodder: The parts that are needed for it are setting up the server and then setting up the client.
21:20:15 <jflory7> ridgemat: By chance... you don't happen to be savvy with OpenVPN, do you?
21:21:33 <ridgemat> I was about to say - unfortunately I tend to use IPSec with proprietory hardware, not used OpenVPN I'm afraid :( I could play around but I'm not sure I would learn enough to confidently write about it within a week
21:21:38 * jflory7 nods
21:21:52 <jflory7> No worries – if you're not familiar with it, you don't have to take it on. :)
21:22:08 <jflory7> linuxmodder: That would be helpful then. How about you follow up with nirik to see if he wants some help on writing this one?
21:22:12 <jflory7> Sound good?
21:23:19 <jflory7> Let's go ahead and do that for now, and then we can check in tomorrow or early next week to see if we're on track to get it published.
21:23:22 <jflory7> #nick nirik
21:23:41 <jflory7> #action linuxmodder Follow up with nirik about the OpenVPN article and see if nirik wants any help in getting it out for next Friday (2016-04-22)
21:23:57 <ridgemat> Not to go offtopic - but with a lot of people worried about privacy/security on other platforms at the moment (Win 10 especially), I love the idea of articles like this, bringing privacy conscious people to Fedora
21:24:30 <linuxmodder> ridgemat,   if  nirik is  cool with it   we could add a  ipsec or  hybrid ipsec  piece in with  vpns
21:24:41 <jflory7> #agreed OpenVPN was slated for publication on 2016-04-22 a few weeks ago, and nirik was going to try to get this article finished for then (with the tentative statement that it would depend on his time). We will follow up on this next week and see if we're still on track.
21:25:31 <jflory7> ridgemat: Definitely agreed. The sysadmin perspective articles are excellent to have. I know ryanlerch loves seeing those types too. :)
21:25:37 <ridgemat> linuxmodder: Sure! Maybe a separate article? I could follow your 'template' on this one and apply it to IPSec?
21:25:45 <jflory7> #info === "COPR: the road ahead" ===
21:25:52 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12293&preview=1&_ppp=8650a17681
21:26:05 <jflory7> stickster was tackling this one and it was still a work in progress.
21:26:17 <jflory7> He was hoping to have this one ready in coming weeks.
21:26:23 <linuxmodder> ridgemat,  or a  series on VPNs and  network security as I  once  threw out as an idea (as a companion series to  cprofitt 's  gpg one)
21:26:26 <jflory7> We'll do a post-meeting check-in on this one later.
21:27:01 <jflory7> #agreed stickster is writing this one and we had agreed in the past to have it ready in future weeks. We'll check in with him next week to see where this article is or when we generally want to have it ready
21:27:03 <ridgemat> linuxmodder: Sounds great!
21:27:05 <linuxmodder> I will proof that one if needed (so I can also  learn more on COPR)
21:27:32 <jflory7> ridgemat: An article on IPSec in Fedora would definitely be awesome.
21:27:49 <jflory7> #info === "Call for Contributors: Fedora Magazine Authors" ===
21:27:57 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12491&preview=1&_ppp=0b04f29f1a
21:28:06 <jflory7> decause seems to have popped this one in as a draft!
21:28:29 <jflory7> I'm not sure if decause was intending to pen this one, but if not, I'd be happy to tackle this one for next week.
21:28:35 <jflory7> Maybe Wednesday's article.
21:29:08 <linuxmodder> have at that then  I  suck at  such  CFA / CFT  articles
21:29:17 <jflory7> Since decause is pretty slammed this week hacking on the Fedora budget, I'm going to take it off of his plate unless he waves his arms in protest to me. ;)
21:29:44 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Take on the Call for Contributors Magazine article for a publication next week on Wednesday
21:29:58 <jflory7> #nick decause
21:29:59 <ridgemat> Would it cross post to the Contributer's blog?
21:30:20 <linuxmodder> it  could  I could  likely do a  pointer  on the  blog
21:30:22 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Follow up with decause about the Magazine call article so we're all on the same page.
21:30:30 <jflory7> ridgemat: A pointer on the Community Blog would be a good idea.
21:30:37 <jflory7> I can help arrange for that one too.
21:30:41 <jflory7> Nice call!
21:30:45 <jflory7> ridgemat++ linuxmodder++
21:30:55 <jflory7> Okay, and that's all the drafts I see!
21:31:20 <jflory7> Now, to pitches / new article proposals!
21:31:23 <jflory7> #topic Pitches
21:31:37 <linuxmodder> #idea security spin /  security series for the summer session
21:32:11 <jflory7> Seems like there's two copies of the Magazine call for contributors article, going to trash the duplicate in pitches.
21:32:12 * decause is neck deep in budget, it's true
21:32:20 <decause> .hello decause
21:32:21 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
21:32:29 <decause> the good news is, most of the calculus is done
21:32:29 <linuxmodder> maybe even  retro merging the  gpg series and  the upcoming openvpn  art  in that
21:32:38 <jflory7> #chair decause
21:32:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: croberts decause jflory7 linex_
21:32:41 <decause> I'm still hunting down some history, but the future is looking solid
21:32:44 <jflory7> Hiya, decause!
21:32:55 * decause waves to jflory7
21:33:00 <jflory7> So, tl;dr: I'm taking the Magazine Call for Contributors article off your plate for you. :)
21:33:05 * decause is trying to finish budget, so he can drive...
21:33:08 <ridgemat> Well, I suppose I should mention my first thought today on a topic - features for developers in F24
21:33:14 <decause> jflory7: it should be a pretty easy one
21:33:16 <jflory7> It's definitely a great article idea for us to get out
21:33:20 <jflory7> decause++
21:33:28 <decause> we just have an intro to magazine, a pointer to how to contribute, and a listing of the badges you can get
21:33:40 <decause> 3 paragraphs, 4 tops
21:33:43 <croberts> is there any easy ones like cockpit
21:33:44 <decause> that is my pitch at least
21:33:46 <croberts> that i can do
21:33:51 <croberts> def not openvpn haha
21:33:58 <decause> croberts: me neither :P
21:34:00 <croberts> just ask for easy because of time contstraints
21:34:11 <jflory7> ridgemat: Ooh, yeah! And with the alpha just dropping, that's the kind of hot news we would want. Let's check in on this one after we look at the other two pitches!
21:34:18 <jflory7> Speaking of, let's jump in
21:34:21 <jflory7> #info === "Cantarell font improvements" ===
21:34:27 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12482&preview=1&_ppp=5843335442
21:34:32 <ridgemat> jflory7: OK great!
21:34:37 <jflory7> So, there were some updates on the list about this one.
21:34:50 <jflory7> Sylvia (lailah / Kohane) was going to tackle this article.
21:35:06 <jflory7> We were hoping to get some more information about the font packaging and what exactly is new
21:35:14 <jflory7> It seems hard-pressed to find this info around.
21:35:42 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Move the Cantarell article to Drafts, assign article to lailah
21:35:57 <jflory7> If I recall, fale is actually the new maintainer for the font?
21:36:13 <jflory7> I think I'll ping him with a link to the mailing list thread to see if he can chime in on this one.
21:36:17 <jflory7> #nick fale
21:36:41 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Follow up with fale about the Cantarell article, assuming he is actually the new packager, drop link to mailing list
21:36:51 <linuxmodder> #idea Cockpit / Docker  on the  workstation / server
21:37:00 <jflory7> #info === "What do you look forward to in Fedora 24?" ===
21:37:04 <linuxmodder> as a testing tool
21:37:07 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12557&preview=1&_ppp=c3983f05d2
21:37:24 <jflory7> Docker would be cool, since we just did the Cockpit one. Will come back to ideas in a minute!
21:37:38 <jflory7> Hmmm, so this one is woohuiren / GIANT_CRAB.
21:37:42 <jflory7> I think we approved this one last week.
21:38:06 <jflory7> I'm going to tentatively say yes we did, because this is an awesome article idea to get unique perspectives about the awesome things coming in F24.
21:38:33 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Move "looking forward F24" article to drafts, follow up on mailing list with official approval if we did not already!
21:38:44 <jflory7> Okay, and I think that's all of the pitches we had in the Magazine right now!
21:39:04 <jflory7> linuxmodder / ridgemat: Did you two want to drop some of your ideas / pitch them now?
21:39:09 <linuxmodder> question on that  last one  what is the diff with the hdyf  articles
21:39:31 <jflory7> For reference, HDYF == How Do You Fedora? series
21:39:36 <linuxmodder> yes
21:39:46 <jflory7> The HDYF series looks at one contributor and how they use Fedora and what they do with it.
21:39:55 <linuxmodder> that last one seems like a  clone of that
21:40:09 <jflory7> This article looks at specific things coming in F24 and interviews a variety of users about these features and what they're excited about for it.
21:40:10 <ridgemat> Sure! I was thinking an overview of new features that appeal to developers, maybe other articles on other groups too (sysadmins, graphics people etc.)
21:40:36 <linuxmodder> overall or jsut  24 centric?
21:40:43 <jflory7> linuxmodder: 24 specifically.
21:40:44 <ridgemat> 24
21:41:01 <ridgemat> With a view to build up interest, and thoughts of switching before/at release
21:41:11 <linuxmodder> so essentially  a   talking point  article
21:41:24 <jflory7> ridgemat: Okay, cool! Seems like a similar idea to GIANT_CRAB's. I wonder if we can take these articles and split them into two different pieces.
21:41:33 <jflory7> linuxmodder: More or less, yeah.
21:41:43 <jflory7> ridgemat: Is there a specific stack you're most familiar with?
21:41:52 <ridgemat> Well - like a release notes, but split in to feature groups that appeal to different user types, so they find it more relevant
21:41:53 <jflory7> I could see a spotlight article on a new F24 thing being an *awesome* idea!
21:42:21 <jflory7> For sure. Right now, we have categories for system administrators, developers, and users (although we are pending a recategorization in the near future)
21:42:39 <linuxmodder> #idea    split that  into  a   Talking points  AND A  release notes  series
21:42:53 <ridgemat> jflory7: Well, right now I'm in PHP mode, with Laravel/VueJS/Redis/Fedora
21:43:00 <linuxmodder> release notes being more of a  shutter  article  layoutr
21:43:06 <jflory7> linuxmodder: So a call for contributors for release notes?
21:43:14 <linuxmodder> no
21:43:16 <ridgemat> jflory7: But I just all over the place :)
21:43:51 <ridgemat> *jump
21:44:22 <jflory7> ridgemat: Okay, good to know. I'm trying to come up with a target "zone" that might be good for you to tackle.
21:44:32 <linuxmodder> let  GIANT_CRAB  do his a the talking points it seems he is heading  to and  have a release notes article in a  how to use  shuutter style  artcile  but  all the things in GIANT_CRAB  's article
21:44:40 <jflory7> Normally stickster is super good at coming with these sort of things too. :)
21:45:02 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I'm a little confused on the scope of the release notes article.
21:45:18 <ridgemat> Also, though a thorny issue - MS launched Visual Studio Code 1.0 today, and they packaged it as RPM, might make a good article
21:46:36 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  release notes one would be  not the  here's what coming  like the GIANT_CRAB  article but a  HOWTO of those  things in GIANT_CRAB 's article
21:46:38 <jflory7> #idea Microsoft recently launched Visual Studio Code 1.0 today and they packaged it as an RPM. Possibly a good angle to cover?
21:47:01 <linuxmodder> or the bash in windows for  anniversary  release
21:47:10 <jflory7> ridgemat: I'm thinking dropping a line on the mailing list will be an excellent idea for getting some brainstorming going and finding an article you're passionate about writing. :)
21:47:19 <jflory7> With this in mind, let's do a quick review of the Magazine drafting process.
21:47:23 <jflory7> #topic Writing for the Magazine
21:47:46 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-an-article-for-the-fedora-magazine/
21:47:57 <ridgemat> jflory7: Absolutely :) I'll do so as soon as I can.
21:48:15 <jflory7> #info (1) Before getting started, make sure you have a FAS account and can log into the Fedora Magazine with your account.
21:48:33 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/
21:48:39 <jflory7> ^ that will put you at the login page
21:48:56 <ridgemat> I've done everything up to emailing the list - FAS and WP accounts all set up
21:49:36 <jflory7> #info (2) If you are writing for the first time, introduce yourself on the Marketing mailing list as an interested Magazine contributor. Be sure to include some information about the things you do, any interest areas you have specifically for writing, as well as any past articles or things you have written.
21:50:10 <jflory7> #info (3) Create a pitch in the Magazine. A Pitch is the tl;dr / summary of your article. It's basically an outline of what you plan to cover. See the following link for an overview of putting one together.
21:50:16 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-a-new-pitch/
21:51:04 <jflory7> #info (4) Once your pitch is either approved on the mailing list or in IRC by a Magazine editor, begin drafting the article! Try to keep up with meetings or the mailing list about the status of your draft.
21:51:15 <ridgemat> jflory7: Much appreciated - thanks!
21:51:40 <jflory7> #info (5) Once the draft is complete, update the team either on IRC or the mailing list and let us know it's pending review. A Magazine editor will look over the article, we'll get it a featured image, and we'll work on getting it scheduled!
21:51:44 <jflory7> Aaaand done!
21:51:52 <jflory7> ridgemat: Hope this breakdown is useful for you. :)
21:52:01 <ridgemat> Ha! I appreciate the info and warm welcome, thank you again :)
21:52:03 <jflory7> So, real quick, let's look at the schedule for the coming week.
21:52:09 <jflory7> ridgemat: Sure thing! :)
21:52:19 <jflory7> #topic Proposed schedule
21:53:49 <ridgemat> Netsplit I believe...
21:53:56 <jflory7> #agreed FRIDAY, 2016-04-15, "Files: Connect to a Windows file share" by stickster; MONDAY, 2016-04-18, "Gimp – A fast overview" by lailah; WEDNESDAY, 2016-04-20, "Call for Contributors: Fedora Magazine writers" by jflory7; FRIDAY, 2016-04-22, "Protect your privacy with OpenVPN" by nirik
21:54:19 <jflory7> #info Schedule is subject to change based on article completion or if a new article is ready to go for next week, e.g. another Files series article
21:54:26 <jflory7> #topic Open Floor
21:54:37 <jflory7> And now we've got five minutes left in the meeting.
21:54:56 <jflory7> Anyone have questions, comments, concerns?
21:55:08 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Do you want to try to get some of those ideas into the Magazine as pitches?
21:55:38 <jflory7> ridgemat: Any questions for us?
21:56:12 <jflory7> croberts: Also, if there's anything you find working on in RHEL land that you think could be a good topic for the Magazine, feel free to pitch an idea!
21:56:24 <ridgemat> jflory7: One thought I had was about the article images, is there a process for making them? Does someone specific make them?
21:56:58 <jflory7> ridgemat: There is actually a guide for creating them. Usually stickster or ryanlerch make them, but if anyone has design skills, it's definitely open for others to make some too!
21:57:01 * jflory7 digs for the link
21:57:16 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/creating-a-featured-image-for-a-fedora-magazine-article/
21:57:33 <croberts> jflory7: will do
21:57:35 <ridgemat> jflory7: Great, thanks!
21:57:40 <jflory7> There's lots of good templates and other goodies to help get someone started with making them too.
21:57:44 <croberts> what about katello/foreman
21:57:47 <croberts> thats upstream
21:58:00 <jflory7> croberts: What's the scope of the tool / project?
21:58:24 <jflory7> ridgemat: Awesome! If you're idling on IRC, you should also join #fedora-mktg. That's where the Magazine team calls home here on Freenode. :)
21:58:26 <croberts> systems managment/lifecycle managment. maybe more for the council blog now that i think of it hard to say look at this without getting too deep in the woods
21:58:36 <croberts> err community blog
21:58:51 <jflory7> croberts: Hmmm, it could be a good one for the Magazine! I would ping stickster with the details.
21:59:05 <croberts> ok will do, any other easy ones like cockpit :)
21:59:21 <croberts> sorry had to step away so didnt see your reply eariler
21:59:30 <jflory7> croberts: If anything comes up that might be up your ally, we'll definitely drop a ping. :)
21:59:39 <jflory7> Okay, anything else before we close?
21:59:44 <croberts> ok cool :)
21:59:46 <jflory7> Going once...
21:59:52 <jflory7> Going twice...
21:59:56 <jflory7> Going thrice...
22:00:15 <jflory7> Thanks for coming out tonight, everyone! See you in channel or at the meeting next week. :)
22:00:17 <jflory7> #endmeeting