18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2016-03-31)
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18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:01 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson
18:00:01 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions / Apprentice feedback
18:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:42 <nirik> welcome everyone. quiet today, not sure how many folks are around. ;)
18:00:48 <winterchillz> Heya! :)
18:00:54 <puiterwijk> I am :)
18:01:08 <smdeep> .hello smdeep
18:01:09 <zodbot> smdeep: smdeep 'Sudeep Mukherjee' <smdeep@gmail.com>
18:01:28 <nirik> Any new folks want to give a short one line introduction on themselves?
18:01:33 * jflory7 is idling around
18:01:39 <winterchillz> Sure
18:01:44 * sayan is here
18:01:44 <nirik> or any apprentices with questions/comments/ideas?
18:01:45 * tflink is around
18:01:49 <gkadam> hi, gkadam here
18:02:12 <gkadam> * Ganesh here
18:03:15 <nirik> new folks: fire away when ready with a short intro. ;)
18:03:36 <winterchillz> Dimitar here, decided I want to join the Fedora Project, Infra group in particular, in the beginning of this month. Years of experience of QA, moving into the Ops team /work. Decided to join because I loved Fedora ever since I started using it, hopefully I'd be able to help out around. All kinds of questions welcome, don't hesitate at all :)
18:04:05 <winterchillz> ^ not sure how much to include as 'short' info, that's why ask away
18:04:17 <nirik> welcome winterchillz! :)
18:04:31 <nirik> are you more interested in sysadmin type work? or development? or both?
18:05:31 <winterchillz> Thank you, nirik, it's an honor to be here :) Sysadmin type of work, was looking to the hosted and noc sysadmin groups. Development as far as writing some small Bash/Python scripts so far, might involve further with time but I want to know my skills would be sufficient before jumping into the deep
18:06:00 <nirik> great. See me after the meeting in #fedora-admin and I can get you setup in our apprentice group...
18:06:04 <gkadam> Hi, I am here to learn sysamdin skills,configuration management and coding. I know basics of linux administration,nagios-core,bash and python.
18:06:15 <winterchillz> Understood
18:06:17 <nirik> gkadam: welcome!
18:06:44 <nirik> gkadam: likewise I can help get you started after the meeting... if you can see me in #fedora-admin after will try and point you the way. :)
18:07:00 <gkadam> nirik, sure ! thank you!
18:07:12 <nirik> any other new folks or apprentice questions?
18:07:53 <nirik> alright, moving on to status/info...
18:08:05 <nirik> #topic announcements and information
18:08:05 <nirik> #info Bugzilla messages are now live on our fedmsg bus! - threebean
18:08:05 <nirik> #info Fedora 24 Alpha was released tuesday (2016-03-29) - everyone
18:08:05 <nirik> #info New calendar for modularity effort - kevin
18:08:05 <nirik> #info Feedback in ask now goes in ask questions with meta tag - kevin
18:08:06 <nirik> #info Lots of small ansible changes pushed out after freeze - kevin/patrick
18:08:08 <nirik> #info db-koji01 still under heavy load for some reason - kevin
18:08:10 <nirik> #info New bodhi release pushed to production https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/6CMQ7KE4XMCYEPAG3XDSRB2O47K37LOH/ - lmacken
18:08:18 <nirik> anything else anyone would like to add or expand on?
18:09:14 <nirik> ok, then, can move on to discussion items...
18:09:58 * nirik doesn't see aikidouke around...
18:10:05 <nirik> #topic fedmsg from bugzilla brainstorming session - kevin / threebean
18:10:23 <nirik> so, as some of you may know we finally have fedmsg's from bugzilla.redhat.com coming in.
18:10:37 <nirik> (It's been a long time planning... many thanks to threebean for herding it along)
18:10:58 <nirik> We already have some ideas for how to use the info there, but I thought I would throw it out to the meeting to think of things.
18:11:50 <nirik> There were some things mentioned on the list already... badges, some scripts...
18:12:59 <nirik> I guess if folks come up with more ideas, adding them on the list would be good.
18:13:04 * nirik goes to dig up the thread
18:13:05 * threebean is here
18:13:16 <threebean> sorry I'm late :p  was off in a codebase.
18:13:27 <puiterwijk> nirik: maybe making a wiki page with the ideas is an idea?
18:13:32 <nirik> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/RBOXBFIVGH77EYQNF7FP6SMZT7QSSFMH/
18:13:51 <nirik> we could I guess... although... does 'fedmsg' overall have a TODO or the like?
18:14:01 <nirik> or IDEAS
18:14:12 <threebean> nirik: heh, no it does not.  we had a 'status' page to track things like that in the beginning, but it grew too large and became unmaintained.
18:14:41 <nirik> yeah, I guess somewhat iit's out of scope there... its using it, not changing anything it already does
18:14:44 <threebean> the span is a bit wide.  I'd say, if possible we could file each idea in the respective system or team tracker.
18:14:58 <threebean> so, we should file a badges ticket.  if blockerbugs in QA land can benefit, we should file a ticket there.
18:15:05 <threebean> for fedora-packages, we've got this one ready to be rolled out:  https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-packages/pull/232
18:15:09 <puiterwijk> Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
18:15:31 <nirik> yeah, there were badges tickets and Churchyard already moved them all from 'impossible to implement yet' to the ok stage. ;)
18:15:39 <threebean> yay!
18:15:46 <threebean> mhroncok++
18:15:46 <zodbot> threebean: Karma for churchyard changed to 3 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:16:16 <nirik> very nice on packages. ;)
18:16:30 <tflink> threebean: blockerbugs already has a ticket - https://phab.qadevel.cloud.fedoraproject.org/T393
18:16:53 <threebean> cool :)
18:17:18 <nirik> makes me wonder: flock workshop to make fedmsg use more awesome. and just brainstorm/file/fix easy ones...
18:17:18 <threebean> the commops group is excited about accessing the bz data too.. but I dunno if they have a concrete plan yet (which is fine)
18:17:37 <threebean> cool :)
18:17:57 <threebean> could we call it an automation workshop (same gist, just different branding..)?
18:18:11 <nirik> sure!
18:18:40 * threebean will file the idea in regcfp asap.
18:18:52 <nirik> cool.
18:19:25 <nirik> ok, anything else for now on this? or shall we move on?
18:20:33 <nirik> #topic CDN use? - kevin
18:20:40 <threebean> what's this about?  :)
18:20:51 <nirik> so I just filed a ticket on this, but there's a CDN provider that wants to sponsor us for some amount of usage.
18:21:11 <nirik> so, we need to figure out how best to use this or if we can easily, etc.
18:22:07 <nirik> I've not looked super closely yet, but I think the basic thing is you setup some site in their control panel then it gives you a CDN url to your stuff...
18:22:27 <nirik> so you can in turn replace your links with that and it will hit their CDN which will hit your site if it doesn't have it cached yet
18:22:36 <nirik> and they have an api so you can invalidate, etc.
18:22:59 <puiterwijk> nirik: do we know what amounts they are willing ot provide us with?
18:23:03 <nirik> I think this could be nice for us on heavily downloaded things... but perhaps we need to id what those are.
18:23:31 <nirik> "some amount of TB/month in the US/EU."
18:23:39 <puiterwijk> Right.
18:23:43 <nirik> so it's not clear really.
18:23:48 <threebean> would we want to use this for things like OS content (images, repos, etc..?)  or for website resources like css/js assets.. stuff that we do with varnish now?
18:23:51 <puiterwijk> But then I think that for most of our content, we have the mirror network
18:24:26 <nirik> threebean: well, thats a good question. ;) I don't think we would want to start out with OS content as it's large and unclear what parts are heavy usage...
18:24:57 <nirik> they do have plugins for things like wordpress, so we could try it on the magazine sites perhaps (with approval from those groups)
18:25:32 <nirik> websites still might be also pretty easy to try... just replace links to assets...
18:25:56 <nirik> but do those really get hit too much or would this kind of be a waste?
18:27:02 <nirik> Also, it seems centos folks are also exploring this, so we could perhaps speak with them some too.
18:28:18 <nirik> looks like they are using it for OS content
18:28:47 <puiterwijk> And CentOS are speaking with the same guys?
18:29:09 <nirik> http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/isos/x86_64/CentOS-7-livecd-x86_64.iso
18:29:11 <nirik> yep
18:29:39 <nirik> they are using a redirect it looks like...
18:29:49 <puiterwijk> yeah, indeed.
18:29:55 <puiterwijk> To buildlogs.cdn.centos.org
18:30:10 <nirik> yep.
18:30:39 <nirik> so, we don't have to decide anything right now, but I wanted to get people thinking how we can best use this.
18:30:49 <puiterwijk> So, I think that wordpress might be a good one to try.
18:31:52 <nirik> so how best would we work that...
18:32:19 <puiterwijk> Well, as soon as we have info on how to set it up, I can look at how to integrate it with wordpress
18:32:37 <nirik> There's a plugin, but I don't know what it replaces, etc.
18:32:50 <puiterwijk> Yeah, so I'd have to look into that
18:33:24 <nirik> ok. I was going to also make an account there and look at the admin side of things
18:33:26 <puiterwijk> Maybe we can ask them to give us an account so we can test some of our sites? Then I can probably set it up for magazine/commops
18:33:47 <nirik> anyone can make a account that is good for 14 days of service.
18:33:59 <puiterwijk> Ah, okay, sounds good.
18:34:05 <nirik> note on ssl tho:
18:34:33 <nirik> if you get a url with your name... like  buildlogs.cdn.centos.org it's http only unless you upload your ssl cert/key to them
18:34:47 <nirik> or you can use https with their long url...
18:35:07 <puiterwijk> Right. So we'd need to request a new cert for it
18:35:08 * nirik doesn't want to upload our wildcard cert to them
18:35:16 <puiterwijk> nirik: yeah, agreed.
18:35:35 <puiterwijk> So we could try with magazine then, since that has its own cert.
18:35:37 <nirik> yeah, for every new site of those... unless we just do a 'cdn.fedoraproject.org' one
18:35:53 <nirik> or we can just use their urls. Not sure how many people care.
18:36:42 <puiterwijk> Well, that would limit what you can host there
18:36:43 <nirik> so anyhow, if folks are ok trying out things with wordpress and going from there that sounds like something of a plan.
18:37:02 <nirik> how so?
18:37:06 <puiterwijk> If you want to host javascript things for example, they need to be under a subdomain or the like, depending on their CORS headers
18:37:25 <nirik> ah yeah, true.
18:38:12 <puiterwijk> So, are you planning to create an account for Fedora Infra in general? Or shall I just register my own to test magazine?
18:38:17 <nirik> another possible thing to look at: pagure or possibly mailman3
18:38:38 <nirik> I was thinking of making a fedora one, but you can if you like and put the creds in ansible-private.
18:38:50 <puiterwijk> Sure, sounds good
18:38:57 <puiterwijk> I'll create one after the meeting
18:39:01 <nirik> or another possible one: copr
18:39:28 <nirik> It would be nice to know where we have high hits/usage, but we really don't know
18:39:38 <puiterwijk> Right. Although there there's so much content that none of them is likely to become "often used"
18:39:55 <nirik> yeah, same problem with a lot of OS stuff.
18:39:58 <puiterwijk> Well, we could find out by just analyzing the httpd log files I guess...
18:40:02 <nirik> isos and the like might be worth it.
18:40:36 <nirik> we can ask smooge to add that to the list of things we want from stats.
18:40:48 <puiterwijk> Yeah, sounds like a good idea.
18:41:00 <puiterwijk> Although... One problem with COPR
18:41:14 <puiterwijk> It's very easy for people to replace files with other content with the same name.
18:41:29 <puiterwijk> (by just deleting a build and then restarting a build with the same nevr)
18:41:44 <nirik> true, that could be a issue.
18:41:51 <puiterwijk> So we should be careful of those kinds of things, unless COPR adds code to deal with a CDN
18:43:00 <nirik> It also might be possible to setup the CDN like it was a mirror and have mirrormanager offer it first (or high pri) to everyone...
18:43:19 <nirik> but thats likely going to be complex and might be more BW/files than the CDN wants to serve for us
18:43:30 <puiterwijk> Well, I'm not sure that that's going to be a good idea
18:43:44 <nirik> me either, but I thought I would toss it out there. :)
18:43:47 <puiterwijk> Since that would mean that lots of files would get requested, and probably not many of them ever make it into the cache.
18:44:02 <puiterwijk> And then people are all still downloading from the master mirror
18:44:39 <nirik> anyhow, lots of possibilities out there. :)
18:44:43 <nirik> anything else on this for now?
18:45:26 <nirik> I had puiterwijk talking about RFE process sometime, but not sure today is a good day for it. ;) Should we just drop that and reschedule it someday later?
18:45:46 <puiterwijk> Yeah.
18:46:05 <nirik> can do. I can also try harder to line up people to talk about things. ;)
18:46:09 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:46:21 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor? ideas/comments/questions?
18:47:11 <nirik> ok, will close out in a minute then and we can all get back to our days. ;)
18:47:57 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. Do continue in #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc, #fedora-apps. ;)
18:48:00 <nirik> #endmeeting