06:00:13 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n-i18n
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06:00:14 <pravins> #meetingname g11n-i18n
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06:00:19 <mfabian> Hi!
06:00:20 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:21 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-03-16
06:00:24 <pravins> hi mfabian :)
06:00:31 <pravins> who else here for meeting today?
06:00:45 <epico> hi
06:00:54 <Jobava> #chair Jobava
06:01:00 <paragan> Hi
06:01:01 <Jobava> #chair pravins epico
06:01:16 <pravins> #chair Jobava
06:01:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jobava pravins
06:01:28 <pravins> Jobava: now you can add :)
06:01:34 <Jobava> ah, k :)
06:01:49 <pravins> hi paragan epico :)
06:01:51 <pravins> jibecfed: ^^
06:02:02 <jibecfed> hi
06:02:23 <pravins> Few common news
06:02:26 <pravins> 1. Flock 2016 talk submission deadline is April 8.
06:02:44 <pravins> #info 2. Fedora 24 planned as a Full working Wayland release.
06:02:53 <pravins> #info 3. Heroes of Fedora 23 Beta testing https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/heroes-fedora-hof-f23-beta/
06:04:05 <pravins> #chair jibecfed paragan epico mfabian
06:04:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jobava epico jibecfed mfabian paragan pravins
06:04:17 <pravins> Lets see upcoming schedule.
06:04:22 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:04:27 <pravins> #info 2016-03-22 	Alpha Release
06:04:27 <pravins> #info 2016-04-05 	Software Translation Deadline
06:04:27 <pravins> #info 2016-04-19 	Beta Freeze (*)
06:04:27 <pravins> #info 2016-04-19 	Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
06:04:27 <pravins> #info 2016-05-03 	Beta Release
06:04:50 <pravins> Less than week for F24 Alpha release.
06:05:01 <pravins> I hope no concern regarding schedule.
06:05:35 <pravins> Lets start with vFAD topic today.
06:05:37 <pravins> #topic #05: vFAD for Translations
06:05:37 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/5
06:05:59 <pravins> jibecfed: me and noriko were discussing about this before some time.
06:06:00 <ueno> hi
06:06:03 <pravins> hi ueno :)
06:06:06 <pravins> #chair ueno
06:06:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jobava epico jibecfed mfabian paragan pravins ueno
06:06:37 <pravins> Yesterday in commops meeting decause and jflory7 were also discussing about same.
06:07:06 <pravins> Main point is time is very less and need to decide action items for making it success.
06:07:32 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/vFAD_Translation
06:07:39 <pravins> remaining task
06:08:04 <Jobava> for i18n-l10n I have three issues: 1. the quality of source string comments (often lacking altogether), 2.notifications for deadlines and new strings, 3.it may be possible to get some screenshot data from the testing people so we can test L10n better
06:08:44 <pravins> Jobava: aha, thanks for your email to list. I saw aeng replied there.
06:09:07 <Jobava> some of the interface of zanata I realized I was unfamiliar with :p
06:09:32 <pravins> It happens :) May be we should keep regular training sessions for Zanata?
06:09:39 <pravins> even i am unaware with some features ;)
06:10:00 <pravins> #idea Good to have some videos session about new feature of Zanata.
06:10:16 <jibecfed> about vFAD
06:10:24 <pravins> yes
06:10:30 <pravins> #info Outreach
06:10:37 <jibecfed> there is some packages in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI I can't find in zanata
06:10:54 <pravins> #undo
06:10:54 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pravins at 06:10:30 : Outreach
06:11:04 <pravins> #info Zanata readiness
06:11:16 <pravins> looks aeng not around.
06:11:22 <jibecfed> cracklib, candlepin, systemd, libvirt, rhsm-web and policykit
06:11:49 <Jobava> have you decided on a priority list for translations?
06:11:50 <pravins> good catch. now i understood, that is what i meant by Zanata readiness ;)
06:12:03 <pravins> Jobava: yes. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI
06:12:43 <Jobava> thanks pravins
06:12:56 <pravins> at least we are ready with one task :)
06:13:44 <pravins> #action Follow up with Zanata (aeng ) and noriko for missing packages in Zanata.
06:13:47 <jibecfed> when we are talking about PAM in L10N_GUI, are we referring to https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/pam_krb5 or https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/linux-pam
06:14:01 <jibecfed> or both
06:14:44 <pravins> definitely not both.
06:15:06 <pravins> if both, then there should be separate link.
06:15:58 <pravins> I think going through this list will also solve Zanata readiness task.
06:16:10 <pravins> jibecfed: since you are planning for stats i think it will also resolve it
06:16:18 <pravins> Can you communicated with aeng and noriko for this?
06:16:25 <jibecfed> yep
06:16:33 <pravins> great. Let me add action item today.
06:16:55 <pravins> #action jibecfed to communicate with aeng and noriko for missing links.
06:17:19 <pravins> #action jibecfed working on getting translation stats for present packages in list.
06:17:25 <pravins> next outreach
06:17:28 <pravins> #info outreach
06:17:40 <pravins> I can take few tasks from here.
06:17:56 <pravins> jibecfed: again, i remember you were planning for some article in magazine?
06:18:07 <pravins> Should i start writing one specific for vFAD?
06:18:29 <pravins> i am still not clear on Outreach plan but will be ready with one soon.
06:18:39 <Jobava> pravins: perhaps describing FAD and vFAD for newer people
06:18:46 <pravins> #action pravins to prepare outreach plan for vFAD for translations.
06:19:10 <pravins> Jobava: good point.
06:19:30 <juhp> hi
06:19:31 <pravins> vFAD is bit new term. Its more like online sprint though.
06:19:34 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:19:38 <pravins> #chair juhp
06:19:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jobava epico jibecfed juhp mfabian paragan pravins ueno
06:20:09 <pravins> #info Good to mention about vFAD and FAD different in article.
06:20:56 <pravins> again, does anyone planning for article in Magazine and Comm Blog for vFAD?
06:21:19 <pravins> Jobava: are you interested ? but we have less time. Say 2-3 days.
06:21:40 <pravins> decause: will definitely help to bring blog live quickly.
06:21:51 <Jobava> pravins: unfortunately I don't know much about vFAD :p
06:21:58 <pravins> Jobava: no problem :)
06:22:05 <Jobava> for low values of 'not much'
06:22:07 <pravins> if jibecfed is not taking, i will take it :)
06:22:14 <pravins> #action pravins to propose badges for vFAD.
06:22:43 <pravins> #action pravins or jibecfed will write article in magazine/commblog about vFAD.
06:23:03 <jibecfed> my english writing is too bad sorry
06:23:14 <pravins> #undo
06:23:14 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by pravins at 06:22:43 : pravins or jibecfed will write article in magazine/commblog about vFAD.
06:23:32 <pravins> #action pravins will write article in magazine/commblog about vFAD with help of decause and jflory7 :)
06:23:45 <pravins> anything about vFAD?
06:24:08 <pravins> moving to next topic. Lets follow up on mailing list.
06:24:19 <pravins> #topic #57: Fedora 24 change planning (pravins)
06:24:19 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57
06:24:36 <pravins> I think nothing is pending from our changes.
06:24:43 <pravins> all are in with 100% :)
06:25:33 <pravins> please ping on ticket if anything is missing.
06:25:52 <pravins> #topic #60: Fedora 24 Test day planning (pravins)
06:25:52 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60
06:26:36 <pravins> #info We have decided date 2016/04/22
06:26:45 <Jobava> for test day did you plan to send e-mails?
06:26:58 <pravins> yes, there will be definitely emails.
06:27:00 <Jobava> ahead of time, for contributors who may be unaware or not watching the schedule closely
06:27:22 <Jobava> not necessarily just people on the mailing lists
06:27:27 <pravins> there will be Blog + tweets + email.
06:27:48 <pravins> Jobava: anything more should we cover?
06:27:59 <Jobava> #link https://flocktofedora.org/
06:28:02 <pravins> for i18n test day Satya and Ani mentioned they will contribute
06:28:09 <Jobava> that link was missing, I think
06:29:29 <Jobava> I've got a talk on "the state of localization", but needs more research into zanata, can I talk to noriko or pravins about it?
06:29:59 <pravins> Jobava: yeah, that is from DevConf. Feel free to ask queries.
06:30:24 <Jobava> people like personal stories and tid-bits of history, stuff like this is usually missing from the fancy marketing pages
06:31:40 <pravins> It will be great, if we can bring those !!
06:32:05 <pravins> #action waiting for Satya and Ani for i18n test day inputs.
06:32:17 <jibecfed> Jobava: if it is usefull to you, here are two tools for statistics https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibecfed
06:32:50 <pravins> #topic #61: FTBFS bugs for Rawhide (pravins)
06:32:50 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61
06:33:00 <pravins> not much improvement to this.
06:33:51 <pravins> #action pravins to ping dchen lbazan and dwayne for FTBFS bugs.
06:34:24 <pravins> #topic #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins)
06:34:24 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
06:34:38 <pravins> We are almost near Alpha.
06:34:54 <pravins> Not expecting much changes to Prioritizing page now.
06:34:59 <pravins> Just need to clean it up
06:35:05 <pravins> and make realistic picture.
06:35:23 <pravins> #action pravins to cleanup  Prioritizing bugs page.
06:35:38 <pravins> We have lots of action items today :)
06:36:28 <pravins> moving to last topic.
06:36:32 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:36:38 <pravins> Do we have any other topic
06:38:02 <gnokii> may I?
06:38:19 <pravins> gnokii: yes :)
06:38:50 <gnokii> ok, pravins have you spoken with the team about the challenge before or shall I short explain it again?
06:39:06 <pravins> good to explain it.
06:39:56 <gnokii> if you look through the stages of the translation, where we have not much translated so far, you see its south east asia
06:40:29 <gnokii> like vn 7%, kh 7% thai 12% (I am not sure right now) and so on
06:40:53 <gnokii> so I thought a while ago how to solve that and started doing translation sprints in the region
06:41:17 <pravins> i think stats from jibecfed will further strengthen this point !!
06:41:19 <gnokii> but on the end, its a lot of work if I do that for each of them single hande
06:41:52 <gnokii> so I suggested to Remy, Matt, Pravins and Jens an South East Asian Translation Challenge
06:42:26 <gnokii> the idea behind is, to organize with a lot of help of the ambassadors of the region a weekend where we can win new contributors
06:43:04 <Jobava> gnokii: maybe a sprint aimed at some of Fedora's upstreams that are missing? for example, gnome, firefox, libreoffice etc.
06:43:08 <pravins> #idea gnokii proposed idea for East Asian Translation Challenge
06:43:41 <gnokii> Jobava: well they have lesser a problem
06:44:13 <Jobava> the point being, to look at fedora as a whole, not just the fedora-specific things
06:44:26 <gnokii> take khmer, everything gnome, firefox and libreoffice is translated thanks to the open institute but you can install fedora in this language
06:44:40 <gnokii> can not I mean
06:44:55 <Jobava> ok
06:45:30 <gnokii> but for my side if this upstream projects come and say he we want participate fine with me
06:45:53 <pravins> True. FF, Libreoffice has active L10N community.
06:46:09 <gnokii> its lesser community its paid ;)
06:46:22 <pravins> :)
06:47:29 <Jobava> gnome may be more difficult since they are ideologically against web tools, they do translation offline and only reviews in their own web and reporting tool
06:47:50 <gnokii> the thing is, the ambassadors will organize venues and all the needed things but they need help from expirienced translators, not everybody is firm with zanata
06:48:43 <gnokii> Jobava: as I said when others come and say he we have the same problem, lets do it together its fine with me
06:49:38 <Jobava> gnokii: sure thing
06:50:25 <gnokii> its a long term goal we agree on a time frame end of this calendar year beginning of the next, so that we can plan budget for it in the next budget
06:50:29 <pravins> If we develop some good model for Fedora. I think definitely other communities would like to collaborate.
06:50:48 <pravins> gnokii: we must plan for this.
06:51:08 <gnokii> ++
06:51:13 <pravins> I see some alignment between vFAD and Translation challenge.
06:51:23 <pravins> like.
06:52:06 <pravins> 1. We should be sure what and when to translate for particular devel cycle in Fedora before activity.
06:53:04 <pravins> i am still not sure about success of vFAD but at least we will get idea about what things we need to do. i.e. readiness prior organizing such events.
06:53:38 <pravins> in between gnokii will need your help for creating badges for vFAD. Do we have sometime for it? :)
06:53:50 <pravins> i am planning to propose ticket today/tomorrow/
06:53:57 <gnokii> well I dont think we will achieve that weekend that we can aim for a release related goal but we setting a big sign in SEA that we want them as contributors and I am sure we win some that stay for a while
06:54:41 <gnokii> pravins not really, I have starting on friday a conference and being busy preparing it today
06:54:58 <pravins> agree, difficult to get everyone during same time. Ambassadors can actually make it more successful.
06:55:08 <gnokii> but I am sure it gets picked up from mleonove or riecatner
06:55:23 <pravins> no problem, i will ping them :)
06:56:12 <jibecfed> gnokii : https://holcroft.fr/oc/index.php/s/ljmukQDQkGTd9Bd
06:56:15 <gnokii> so point is how see it the trans team
06:56:23 <jibecfed> it's today's zanata statistics
06:58:19 <pravins> jibecfed++
06:59:01 <pravins> jibecfed: one more confusion is different branches :(
06:59:12 <pravins> We need to tell contributors exactly which branch to do translation.
06:59:17 <gnokii> ++
06:59:33 <jibecfed> good luck with that ;)
06:59:50 <pravins> gnokii: your proposed idea is well taken. Need to coordinate with G11N team + Ambassador to make it success.
06:59:56 <pravins> May be we can plan this for F25?
07:00:06 <pravins> lol :)
07:00:09 <gnokii> will be hard
07:00:28 <gnokii> its more F26 it will be to late for F25
07:00:44 <juhp> I see
07:00:46 <gnokii> except, F24 gets a lot delayed
07:00:47 <jibecfed> gnokii: you mean, next year ?
07:00:52 <pravins> with respect to budget.
07:01:06 <gnokii> jibecfed: December or Januar/February next year
07:01:50 <gnokii> its a bigger thing, so needs some time to get all into the boat, needs also some budget and so on
07:01:59 <pravins> +1
07:02:04 <jibecfed> ok,
07:02:28 <pravins> gnokii: will be helpful, if you can create Wiki page with initial idea.
07:02:50 <gnokii> pravins yes, I should do
07:02:53 <pravins> great.
07:03:35 <pravins> #action gnokii will create Wiki page with basic idea of Translation challenge.
07:03:45 <pravins> We are already moving out of time.
07:03:53 <pravins> if nothing else, lets close in 2 minutes.
07:04:04 <pravins> Thanks gnokii for explaining idea in good details !!
07:04:07 <pravins> gnokii++
07:05:33 <Jobava> #chair elioqoshi
07:05:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: Jobava elioqoshi epico jibecfed juhp mfabian paragan pravins ueno
07:05:38 <Jobava> hi elio :)
07:05:50 <gnokii> ok, when there is no other question, I have to run to rl meeting
07:05:53 <Jobava> I think we're done, pravins?
07:06:07 <elioqoshi> Hi guys!
07:06:57 <Jobava> pravins: is there anything that comes before # endmeeting?
07:07:26 <pravins> yes
07:07:41 <pravins> no
07:07:45 <pravins> let me close meeting :)
07:07:53 <pravins> thanks everyone for meeting
07:07:53 <pravins> #endmeeting