01:56:52 <jflory7> #startmeeting FAmNA
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01:56:56 <jflory7> #meetingname FAmNA
01:56:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
01:57:18 <jflory7> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:57:22 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
01:57:23 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
01:57:36 <jflory7> We'll get started five minutes after the hour.
01:58:09 * linuxmodder early  for famna  -- if  I  miss rollcall ping me  ( finishing something up locally)
01:58:16 <jflory7> #info award3535 is traveling and was not able to make it to tonight's meeting
01:58:37 <linuxmodder> .hello corey84
01:58:38 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
01:59:34 <jflory7> #chair linuxmodder
01:59:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder
01:59:44 <cydrobolt> o/
01:59:50 <jflory7> #chair cydrobolt
01:59:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: cydrobolt jflory7 linuxmodder
01:59:50 <linuxmodder> evening all
01:59:51 <cydrobolt> starting early, eh? :)
01:59:54 <cydrobolt> evening
02:00:02 <linuxmodder> 20 secs is  early ?
02:00:12 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Usually I let roll call start early to get a sense of who's around. :) We'll get rolling into the agenda five minutes after the hour.
02:00:44 <linuxmodder> award's  tactic =/= jflory7 's
02:01:08 <jflory7> We'll still get started around the same time as usual. :)
02:01:09 <cydrobolt> linuxmodder, 4 mins :)
02:01:13 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in.
02:01:17 <jflory7> #chair ParadoxGuitarist
02:01:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist cydrobolt jflory7 linuxmodder
02:01:17 <cydrobolt> hey ParadoxGuitarist!
02:01:19 <jflory7> Evening!
02:01:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> hey folk!
02:01:52 <linuxmodder> nice showing tonight so far
02:02:13 <jflory7> Definitely.
02:02:26 * jflory7 just came from a hacker meetup by the BrickHack organizers
02:02:38 <jflory7> Went really well. More info about BrickHack to come later on this meeting. :)
02:02:38 <linuxmodder> nice any new info ?
02:02:45 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Definitely!
02:03:10 <jflory7> Tonight will also probably have a big discussion about OSCON
02:03:14 * masta is here
02:03:20 <jflory7> #chair masta
02:03:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist cydrobolt jflory7 linuxmodder masta
02:03:20 <masta> howdy folks
02:03:24 <jflory7> Evening, masta!
02:03:30 <masta> hey
02:03:36 <masta> sry I'm late
02:03:58 <linuxmodder> still 2 mins before we roll this thing  masta  so right on time
02:04:04 <jflory7> masta: No worries. We're going to get started in another two minutes or so.
02:04:13 <masta> cool
02:04:23 <masta> who is the chair, jflory7 ?
02:04:28 <linuxmodder> yep
02:04:34 <masta> cooolies
02:04:34 <jflory7> masta: award3535 was unable to make it tonight and asked me to chair
02:04:37 <linuxmodder> young blood has the chair tonight
02:04:50 <masta> I can chair too, if needed
02:04:51 <linuxmodder> :)
02:04:54 <cydrobolt> haha
02:04:57 <jflory7> masta: You were charged with owning OSCON, right?
02:05:05 * jflory7 couldn't remember off the top of my head
02:05:11 <masta> jflory7, that is a topic tonight, yes
02:05:19 <linuxmodder> too many  beer  parties :)
02:05:22 <jflory7> masta: Yeah, I assume you saw the email on the list
02:05:26 <jflory7> We'll definitely hit that tonight
02:05:27 <masta> yes
02:05:33 <jflory7> Okay, let's get started with announcements
02:05:38 <masta> mattdm, plz chime
02:05:44 <linuxmodder> which  one ?   My  email has been  nuts this week
02:05:45 <jflory7> #topic === Announcements ===
02:05:51 <jflory7> I have two announcements to share
02:06:04 <linuxmodder> ah that one nvm I remember that one
02:06:45 <jflory7> #info * Fedora is offering a slot in the GNOME Outreachy 2016 program for kernel development. Outreachy is an internship program for historically underrepresented groups in computer science / open source. Feel free to share with friends or others who may be interested!
02:06:47 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-2016-remote-internships-and-fedora/
02:07:17 <linuxmodder> do they have to be  fedora contribs ?
02:07:35 <jflory7> #info * The #fedora-apps team is hosting a web dev clinic tomorrow at 15:00 UTC in an audio/video call. If you're interested in helping with Fedora websites or getting involved, this is an excellent opportunity.
02:07:38 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/friday-fedora-web-dev-clinic/
02:07:43 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Nope, open to anyone!
02:07:45 <linuxmodder> the underrep'd  folks I mean
02:07:53 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Active contributors or Fedora newbies are all welcome.
02:08:02 <linuxmodder> jflory7,   will pass on to my  internship boss
02:08:02 <masta> cool
02:08:13 <jflory7> linuxmodder++
02:08:17 <jflory7> Any other announcements?
02:08:30 <linuxmodder> I'll sponsor them myself if needed
02:08:48 <masta> I'm about to be president of my local lug
02:08:49 <linuxmodder> we need less windows in that  shop anyway
02:08:54 <masta> announcement
02:09:03 <linuxmodder> about to  ?   when?
02:09:07 <linuxmodder> congrats btw
02:09:11 <masta> next month
02:09:13 <cydrobolt> masta, awesome
02:09:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> I gave a talk at my local university about FOSS.
02:09:20 <masta> yeah...
02:09:28 <jflory7> linuxmodder: labbott from the kernel team is the mentor for the Outreachy slot. There will also be plenty of opportunities for Fedora mentors in the upcoming GSoC program. Expect more news about that next week on the Community Blog.
02:09:38 <jflory7> masta++ That's awesome!
02:09:38 <masta> chief neck beard
02:09:39 <linuxmodder> trying to set up some  summer chats at  2  local unis myself
02:09:51 <jflory7> #info * masta is becoming the president of his local LUG next month!
02:10:02 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  noted
02:10:09 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: Awesome, have a link to the details anywhere? What was the talk on?
02:10:15 <ParadoxGuitarist> http://www.apu.edu/cdl/schedule/
02:10:19 <jflory7> Awesome :)
02:10:22 <masta> nice
02:10:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> It was pretty small
02:10:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> most of the talks were 5-28 people
02:10:36 <linuxmodder> dream big  start small
02:10:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> I had 16 or so.
02:10:40 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist, but small is good, thanks a billion!
02:10:59 <jflory7> #info * ParadoxGuitarist gave a talk at his local university about FOSS at the Azuza Pacific University!
02:11:02 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist++
02:11:06 <linuxmodder> ParadoxGuitarist,  that is usual  BOF size that is  awesome
02:11:07 <jflory7> Alright, any other announcements?
02:11:25 <masta> jflory7, dude... do you even have any karma points left to give?
02:11:31 <masta> hehe
02:11:33 <ParadoxGuitarist> hehe
02:11:34 * masta jokes
02:11:38 <jflory7> masta: Hahah... I give a lot of karma. :)
02:11:42 <linuxmodder> I'll be  at  CarolinaCon (during  BrickHack)
02:11:58 <jflory7> #info * linuxmodder will be attending CarolinaCon during the same weekend as BrickHack
02:12:10 <linuxmodder> like a 7-11 he  gives them  24/7 :)
02:12:13 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Good to know. You'll have to let us know how it goes. :)
02:12:27 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Hahah, I can't disagree.
02:12:28 <linuxmodder> its mostly  blackhat  minded
02:12:47 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Ahh, interesting -- we should probably hook you up with some info about the Security Spin?
02:12:50 <linuxmodder> I am doing more   security research stuff these days so it fits
02:13:03 <jflory7> If you need help digging down some resources, feel free to ping me or in #fedora-commops
02:13:05 <masta> ok then
02:13:05 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  hook it up?  I use it   on my server
02:13:07 <linuxmodder> daily
02:13:13 <jflory7> Alright. Any other announcements?
02:13:33 <jflory7> linuxmodder++ Awesome! Then you should be a good representative for the Security Spin.
02:13:34 <linuxmodder> first  2  groups I install are  C dev tools and security-lab
02:13:41 <jflory7> Okay, let's press on into tickets. There's a lot to cover tonight.
02:13:45 <jsandys> joining
02:13:48 <masta> hopefully attendees can get a good fedora impression
02:13:54 <jflory7> #topic === Tickets ===
02:13:57 <jflory7> #chair jsandys
02:13:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist cydrobolt jflory7 jsandys linuxmodder masta
02:14:03 <jflory7> Welcome jsandys!
02:14:12 <jflory7> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
02:14:13 <masta> does fedora pen testing work right now?
02:14:34 <jflory7> Okay, this might be the biggest topic tonight:
02:14:36 <masta> linuxmodder, ^^^
02:14:40 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #119 ===
02:14:43 <jflory7> .famnaticket 119
02:14:45 <zodbot> jflory7: #119 (OSCON 2016 booth) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/119
02:14:59 <jflory7> Has everyone seen the mailing list thread about this yet?
02:15:01 <jflory7> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/U26YENGH6SRPLWK4TLCZJV7C4LN7H47F/
02:15:22 <masta> ok...
02:15:37 <masta> so can we justify this event?
02:15:37 <jflory7> What it boils down to is questioning if we're going to OSCON this year
02:16:10 <jflory7> As stated in the ticket, the prices went way up, and Fedora leadership is wondering whether we will be able to make a measurable impact at OSCON this year
02:16:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> Do we have local people there?
02:16:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> To man the booth?
02:16:23 <linuxmodder> #chair jsandys
02:16:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist cydrobolt jflory7 jsandys linuxmodder masta
02:16:24 <juggler> o/
02:16:24 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  jsandys  and juggler  jsut came in
02:16:24 <linuxmodder> jsut in time for tickets folks
02:16:24 <linuxmodder> test test
02:16:41 <linuxmodder> masta,  most of it
02:16:42 <jflory7> #chair juggler
02:16:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist cydrobolt jflory7 jsandys juggler linuxmodder masta
02:16:48 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Thanks, missed that.
02:16:55 <masta> so $7500 is the price
02:16:57 <jflory7> Welcome juggler!
02:17:06 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: I think we have a couple. masta is in the region, and I think danofsatx is roughly nearby.
02:17:17 <masta> that is a lot compared to other events
02:17:21 <linuxmodder> masta,  not  in this short of  time
02:17:24 <juggler> masta...congrats, btw! (catching up the channel here)
02:17:42 * juggler thanks jflory7
02:17:46 <jflory7> I know we've usually always gone to OSCON each year, but I think that maybe this year is a year for us to try focusing our impact on smaller communities where we can work with people who may have never seen Fedora or not know much about it.
02:17:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> Just trying to think of hotel added costs.
02:18:06 <jflory7> What are all of your thoughts on all of this?
02:18:34 <masta> it would be expwnsive
02:18:39 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: I know hotel costs were also very expensive :/
02:19:05 <jflory7> I can't place the exact number (think it came up in the channel earlier? can't remember), but there was concern over hotel costs as well
02:19:07 <juggler> not sure...I have not been to OSCON, but I imagine hotels for it could be pricey
02:19:16 <masta> I'd only take ambassadors who are hardcore event experienced
02:19:31 <jflory7> Yeah, it's a fairly *large* event in terms of size and scope
02:19:32 <linuxmodder> I'd like us to go but  finding the price a bit hard to justify
02:19:39 <masta> 3 ~4 days of table work is hardcore
02:20:05 <juggler> no prob ;)
02:20:12 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I'm in the same boat. I think we could go much farther with the money of this event and increasing our outreach in local communities... like universities, schools, and other local groups and/or businesses.
02:20:32 <linuxmodder> use it  for campus work indeed
02:20:55 <jflory7> I know decause has had a lot of experience with OSCON before, he might be able to weigh in if he's around right now
02:21:15 <linuxmodder> Southern_Gentlem,   you around ?
02:21:20 <jflory7> So, unless anyone else has any comments or thoughts to share, I say we put it to a vote
02:21:20 <masta> I kinda think we should not do OSCON
02:21:36 <masta> it's too expensive
02:21:51 <jflory7> I think the funds will be better used elsewhere.
02:21:56 <masta> our ROI is typically too little
02:22:05 <jflory7> So, here's the proposal...
02:22:07 <linuxmodder> +1 for saving the  $$ for smaller /campus stuff
02:22:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Have we checked into sharing a booth with RH?
02:22:30 <masta> our funds... which are massive, actually.... can be better spent..
02:22:32 <linuxmodder> this one we are generally  separate iirc
02:22:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm for sending someone if we can tag along for free
02:22:44 <masta> so lets spend on good things.
02:23:13 <jflory7> Proposal: FAmNA has decided that we will skip over OSCON this year and use the funds to focus on smaller communities where we can try to make a bigger impact on new types of users and potential contributors.
02:23:14 <jflory7> +1
02:23:33 <masta> +1
02:23:39 <jsandys> +1
02:23:46 <juggler> +1
02:23:53 <cydrobolt> +1
02:24:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
02:24:23 <jflory7> linuxmodder?
02:24:34 <masta> sucks... but good ting
02:24:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'd rather buy more usb sticks
02:24:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> ;)
02:24:56 <juggler> :)
02:24:56 <jflory7> ParadoxGuitarist: :)
02:25:25 <jflory7> Since this is a big topic, I want to make sure we're all on the same page before moving on.
02:25:32 <masta> we have less exposure at the big event.... but we focus on smaller events.
02:26:09 <masta> hopefully the strategy works
02:26:12 * jflory7 nods
02:26:23 <linuxmodder> +1 sorry  was talking locally
02:26:25 <jflory7> masta: I'm definitely in agreement
02:26:31 <jflory7> linuxmodder: No worries, thanks for chiming in. :)
02:26:32 <jflory7> #agreed Unanimous agreement: FAmNA has decided that we will skip over OSCON this year and use the funds to focus on smaller communities where we can try to make a bigger impact on new types of users and potential contributors.
02:26:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> we won't kill fedora for missing OSCon one year
02:26:39 <jflory7> Okay, let's move on to the next ticket.
02:26:59 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #122 ===
02:27:02 <jflory7> .famnaticket 122
02:27:04 <zodbot> jflory7: #122 (Banners for SCALE14x) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/122
02:27:05 <jflory7> This one can be closed
02:27:10 <jflory7> Banners are in transit to me for BrickHack
02:27:19 <masta> I think we should  find a way to d fedora oscon, if possible...
02:27:26 <juggler> jflory7 I agree...!
02:27:35 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Close Ticket #122; banners on the way to jflory7 for BrickHack
02:27:36 <masta> but community style
02:27:46 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Update Ambassadors list about the OSCON vote
02:28:16 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #123 ===
02:28:21 <jflory7> .famnaticket 123
02:28:22 <zodbot> jflory7: #123 (Reviving the Campus Ambassador program) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/123
02:28:29 <jflory7> I have a few updates to share about this.
02:28:35 <linuxmodder> shoot
02:28:40 <juggler> please go ahead
02:28:43 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jflory7/Scratchpad/Campus_Ambassadors
02:29:01 <jflory7> I'd like to put two things to vote: changing the wiki page officially and publishing the Community Blog article
02:29:07 * jflory7 is finding the link to the Community Blog draft
02:29:36 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=759&preview=1&_ppp=c40d1ed868
02:29:40 <jflory7> Okay, there's the two links.
02:29:44 <linuxmodder> +1 blog
02:30:04 <masta> ok, whoa
02:30:10 <jflory7> I propose this: Update the wiki page for the Campus Ambassadors to jflory7's draft on the wiki and publish the Community Blog article before BrickHack next week.
02:30:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> +1
02:30:17 <jflory7> Take some time to look over these, no rush to vote yet
02:30:35 <linuxmodder> still wish we could  add the  hackathon bit  we talked about jflory7   but if not  no worries
02:30:40 <masta> yeah +0 so far
02:30:51 <jflory7> The drafts are made up of our earlier discussions about two or three meetings ago.
02:31:06 <linuxmodder> +1 on blog  regardless of  hackathon plug
02:31:09 <jflory7> linuxmodder: For the blog article?
02:31:18 <linuxmodder> yup jflory7
02:31:32 <linuxmodder> re-reading  the scratchpad for  updates now
02:31:44 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Good catch. I can get that in there, I think mentioning hackathons is a good idea. That's probably a large part of where we might attract university students to get involved with Fedora as Ambassadors.
02:32:03 <ParadoxGuitarist> what's your concern masta?
02:32:23 <jflory7> So, I'll make sure to add some content to the blog post about hackathons before publishing. decause will also be reviewing the Community Blog article before it is published as well.
02:32:59 <masta> ParadoxGuitarist, ?
02:33:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> +0?
02:33:36 <cydrobolt> jflory7, hm :/
02:33:49 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  on the scrathpad  about  event reports  why just the commblog  full ambassadors are  able to jsut link to their  blogs
02:33:56 <jflory7> cydrobolt: What's up?
02:34:02 <linuxmodder> or is that  just  a  hard recommend
02:34:24 <jflory7> linuxmodder: That's true... no, you're also right about that. decause mentioned it to me too, as it can be a good idea for students to help build their personal brand.
02:34:28 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  ping me for the updates to blog  pls
02:34:29 <jflory7> I forgot he mentioned that to me too
02:34:41 <jflory7> The recommendation was to encourage the CommBlog as an option but use personal blogs as a default
02:35:02 <linuxmodder> or  some TL;DR commblog  with a external link to  their  blog  pushing bth
02:35:03 <jflory7> For example, someone could do a copy + paste of their blog on the Community Blog and point back to their original blog post.
02:35:15 <jflory7> Okay, sounds like I have some revisions to do, so I don't think we'll replace them yet tonight.
02:35:42 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  worst case I'll email a  rough revision draft to you
02:35:42 <cydrobolt> jflory7, I'm a bit skeptical about the wording
02:35:50 <linuxmodder> markdown style
02:36:00 <linuxmodder> on ? cydrobolt
02:36:04 <jflory7> So are the current points of issue only: mentioning hackathons in the blog post / wiki article, and Campus Ambassadors posting reports on their personal blog?
02:36:12 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Sure, what are your thoughts?
02:36:18 <cydrobolt> on the blog article
02:36:23 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Sounds good, we can definitely collaborate on this.
02:36:30 <linuxmodder> from me  yes  jflory7   others have still yet to chime in
02:36:40 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Definitely
02:36:48 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Which parts?
02:37:21 <cydrobolt> I'm not sure if the incentives that the article mentions is the right way to market "campus ambassador"
02:37:22 <jflory7> Uh-oh, I think I see what you mean
02:37:29 <nb> hi
02:37:32 <jflory7> Ohhh, okay. Re-reading...
02:37:33 <nb> .hello nb
02:37:34 <jflory7> #chair nb
02:37:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist cydrobolt jflory7 jsandys juggler linuxmodder masta nb
02:37:34 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
02:37:37 <jflory7> Welcome Nick!
02:37:46 <ParadoxGuitarist> NB!
02:37:46 <juggler> nb!
02:37:47 <cydrobolt> I'm also not sure if we want a riff between campus ambassadors and other ambassadors
02:37:50 <linuxmodder> cydrobolt,  yes?
02:37:52 <cydrobolt> Hi nb
02:37:58 <masta> hiya nick
02:38:18 <cydrobolt> just some thoughts, not very structured yet
02:38:38 <jflory7> cydrobolt: I think mentioning the benefits in that way is a useful hook for getting students interested in contributing as Campus Ambassadors. I also think the current revision of the Campus Ambassadors says something similar about benefits of participating.
02:38:48 <cydrobolt> jflory7, I'm also not sure how being a campus ambassador can help someone "Gain experience with Linux and working with remote systems
02:38:48 <cydrobolt> "
02:38:59 <jflory7> cydrobolt: What are your concerns about rifts with other Ambassadors? That's definitely something worth addressing before changing anything.
02:39:09 * nb does not think you should be required to be an ambassador to become campus ambassador
02:39:28 <masta> yeag
02:39:33 * nb intends to change that in FAS
02:39:34 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Personally, I think the latter part of that line can be removed. I think Campus Ambassadors will get experience with Linux, but they are not necessarily required or guaranteed to be trained with remote systems.
02:39:38 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Thoughts on that line?
02:39:55 <jflory7> I think linuxmodder wrote that bit, perhaps he has an idea about what was meant with that benefit.
02:40:01 <linuxmodder> one sec
02:40:08 <linuxmodder> which line again
02:40:20 <jflory7> linuxmodder: See cydrobolt's last message, he quoted it
02:40:26 <cydrobolt> jflory7, I think the article makes it seem like some type of internship/training program whereas it doesn't really introduce people to Linux or help them use Linux
02:40:43 <masta> being ambassador is fine....  campus even better
02:40:50 <jflory7> cydrobolt: I see... so then it could probably use some revisions then.
02:40:58 <jflory7> Okay, we have 20 minutes left for the meeting...
02:41:09 <linuxmodder> cydrobolt,  so the  experience  line?
02:41:11 <jflory7> I think we push this off to next week's meeting after revisions are made and check in?
02:41:21 <jflory7> I don't think we will publish before BrickHack
02:41:28 <cydrobolt> I think it's a good idea to help build communities in educational communities, but we should probably reword some things
02:41:34 <jflory7> It's better to get this exactly the way we want it before making a big change and promoting this
02:41:42 <masta> lol brickhack...
02:41:59 <jflory7> There's also support from CommOps / marketing to heavily promote this article too, so emphasis on getting it right before publishing
02:42:05 <jflory7> So, how about this:
02:42:18 <linuxmodder> cydrobolt,  noted will tag team with jflory7  and decause  this weekend and  next  week in prep for another vote next week
02:42:35 <nb> i didn't read it in-depth, but i skimmed the wiki page and it looks good so far
02:42:41 <jflory7> Proposal: Based on tonight's discussions, the Community Blog article and wiki scratchpad will be revised to better address some of tonight's concerns.
02:42:54 <jflory7> +1
02:42:54 <linuxmodder> +1
02:43:07 <jsandys> +1
02:43:08 <cydrobolt> +1
02:43:15 <juggler> +1
02:43:18 <linuxmodder> masta, ?
02:43:27 <nb> have we contacted other regions?
02:43:29 <masta> meh +0
02:43:34 <linuxmodder> nb,  in the ml
02:43:36 <nb> or do we just intend on it to be NA for now?
02:43:49 <nb> hmm, i thoughti  was signed up for the list
02:43:50 * nb looks
02:43:53 <linuxmodder> have not  seen much  action outside of  famna tho tbh
02:43:57 <jflory7> nb: Not as of yet, although there was a broadcast on the Ambassadors list. EMEA expressed interest in working on this too, though.
02:44:01 <nb> amb or campus amb?
02:44:03 <jflory7> #agreed Based on tonight's discussions, the Community Blog article and wiki scratchpad will be revised to better address some of tonight's concerns.
02:44:21 <jflory7> Anyways, we have two more tickets to cover tonight, so I think it is best to move on to these two tickets
02:44:21 <linuxmodder> campus  part  nb
02:44:32 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #139 ===
02:44:35 <jflory7> .famnaticket 139
02:44:37 <zodbot> jflory7: #139 (Bitcamp 2016 Spring Sponsorship Funds) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/139
02:44:44 <jflory7> cydrobolt: This one's all you. :)
02:44:52 <cydrobolt> thanks jflory7 :)
02:45:00 <cydrobolt> I heard back from Bitcamp
02:45:02 <jflory7> Anything else we wanted to address or vote on tonight?
02:45:09 <cydrobolt> They've sent us an invoice for $999
02:45:10 <juggler> Is ticket 392 anywhere in the mix?
02:45:14 <linuxmodder> RU is  your  school yes  ? jflory7
02:45:18 <masta> let it be funded!
02:45:20 <linuxmodder> or  RU =/= RIT
02:45:23 <jflory7> juggler: Hmm, link me to it really fast, it's not on the agenda tonight.
02:45:34 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Nope, RU is Rutgers University, I think?
02:45:41 <cydrobolt> nb, are we able to pay the invoice through your RH community card?
02:45:51 <nb> cydrobolt, i don't have a card
02:45:58 <cydrobolt> nb, ah, do you know who does?
02:46:00 <jflory7> cydrobolt: We're going to have to work with decause on this
02:46:00 <linuxmodder> If we can get the booth I'll staff it
02:46:01 <nb> inode0 is unavailable
02:46:03 <nb> he has a card
02:46:06 <jflory7> BrickHack invoice is still pending as well
02:46:09 <nb> cydrobolt, talk to ruth
02:46:15 <cydrobolt> okay
02:46:25 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  same ^^
02:46:28 <juggler> jflory7 https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/392#comment:13
02:46:28 <jflory7> I've been in loops for two weeks trying to get it wrapped up, and it's just now starting to finalize
02:46:37 <masta> we probably need to take back inode0 card
02:46:41 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Let's definitely check in with decause and see what he recommends now that Ruth is back from the land down under
02:46:42 <cydrobolt> #link https://cydrobolt.fedorapeople.org/08%20Fedora%20Bitcamp%20Invoice.pdf
02:46:50 <cydrobolt> okay
02:46:52 <nb> masta, we voted to ask for award3535 to get card
02:47:03 <masta> who has seen John Rose?
02:47:04 <cydrobolt> nb, is she able to pay through CC or check?
02:47:07 <jflory7> juggler: Oh, hmmm, I don't have privileges to view that ticket.
02:47:10 <cydrobolt> I think PO would be more difficult
02:47:20 <masta> nb,  fine by mee
02:47:41 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Outside of the invoice, did we want to vote on anything else tonight for Bitcamp?
02:47:51 <linuxmodder> login  nb
02:47:52 <masta> inode0 was reliable... bummer to see that go....
02:47:58 <cydrobolt> jflory7, when do we want to vote on transportation? maybe as the date gets closer?
02:48:02 <linuxmodder> or  jflory7   rather
02:48:08 <juggler> nb, might you be able to escalate ticket 392?
02:48:11 <cydrobolt> I think award usually wants the entire event budget to be planned out
02:48:18 <cydrobolt> rather than deferring certain aspects
02:48:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> juggler: award removed ruth from that ticket and added someone else
02:48:26 <linuxmodder> or not  I can't either  and I'm logged in
02:48:34 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm guessing they have access to the paypal account to pay you
02:48:49 * ParadoxGuitarist doesn't have access.
02:48:51 <jflory7> cydrobolt: I agree, having everything planned out would be ideal. I have my travel costs on there but not hotel or food, etc.
02:49:03 <juggler> PG: yeah I saw that. there's been little movement on it since, though.
02:49:03 <masta> inode0 brought me into the project, so bummer
02:49:04 <cydrobolt> jflory7, I don't think you'll need a hotel
02:49:09 <cydrobolt> and I don't think food is covered
02:49:18 <cydrobolt> the event covers food**
02:49:20 <jflory7> cydrobolt: Hah, true, I could stay in at Bitcamp
02:49:26 <jflory7> Oh, excellent, Bitcamp covers that?
02:49:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> food isn't covered per the wiki
02:49:31 <cydrobolt> so we should only need transportation
02:49:34 <jflory7> That's very good info to know. cydrobolt, do you know that for sure?
02:49:35 <cydrobolt> jflory7, yes
02:49:37 <cydrobolt> jflory7, yes
02:49:42 <nb> juggler, email jzb@redhat and rsuehle@redhat and maybe cc decause@redhat
02:49:45 <juggler> food isn't covered, generally speaking
02:49:46 <cydrobolt> a hackathon without food isn't a hackathon :)
02:49:57 <masta> yeah.... you cover food
02:50:08 <masta> hack!
02:50:09 <cydrobolt> I've been to 10+ hackathons and have never encountered an event without food
02:50:09 <jflory7> #info Bitcamp covers participant's food as part of event sponsorship / entry
02:50:17 <nb> oh cool
02:50:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> juggler: I hope that helps
02:50:21 <cydrobolt> I sometimes leave the event venue and go get food on my own, but usually voluntary
02:50:22 <nb> if they cover it, then thats great :)
02:50:32 <juggler> PG and nb: thanks :)
02:50:34 <linuxmodder> crappy  food at times but never none
02:50:46 <jflory7> cydrobolt: I think the best thing we need to do now is finalize a list of people who may be interested in going and getting transportation costs worked out for sure.
02:50:47 <nb> I'm honestly not sure who is able to pay for stuff now
02:50:53 <cydrobolt> jflory7, cool, cool :)
02:50:55 <masta> why should fedora cover food?
02:50:56 <nb> I think jzb is taking over some of the stuff ruth did
02:51:02 <nb> but not sure
02:51:03 <cydrobolt> I'm likely planning to take Greyhound over there
02:51:05 <linuxmodder> I'm down for bitcamp
02:51:15 <cydrobolt> will likely be around $70 or less round trip
02:51:22 <nb> where is the bitcamp wiki page?
02:51:28 <cydrobolt> nb, let me fetch that for you
02:51:37 <cydrobolt> nb, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bitcamp_Spring_2016
02:51:47 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bitcamp_Spring_2016
02:51:54 * masta has to go...nini... all... out!\
02:52:02 <linuxmodder> I can  metro home (like $30 all three days  roundtrip )
02:52:15 <jflory7> juggler: I would follow nb's advice on follow up with an email to jzb, rsuehle, and decause
02:52:18 <linuxmodder> Its at  UMD
02:52:20 <nb> jflory7, just wondering what Misc is for on the travel subsidy request
02:52:25 <linuxmodder> like  40 miles  north of me
02:52:25 <nb> and plz remove the amount for food
02:52:26 <jflory7> masta: See you! Enjoy the rest of your evening!
02:52:29 * nb is +1 to all the rest
02:52:37 <jflory7> nb: At this point, it will probably be removed. My transportation cost should suffice
02:52:44 <nb> jflory7, ok
02:52:54 <nb> if there is other misc stuff, we can always approve it after the fact
02:53:05 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Update budget request for Bitcamp
02:53:18 <nb> do we want to go ahead and vote for cydrobolt and jflory7 travel?
02:53:25 <nb> and is hotel needed?
02:53:25 <cydrobolt> nb, I'm okay with that
02:53:28 <cydrobolt> no hotel needed
02:53:37 <jflory7> nb: Yeah -- cydrobolt, can you place the total costs for Bitcamp transporation in channel?
02:53:42 <linuxmodder> shouldn't BUT if so let me  know  folks
02:53:51 <linuxmodder> I know local hotel chains corporate
02:53:52 * ParadoxGuitarist needs to jet
02:53:55 <juggler> jflory7/nb/PG: e-mail sent! *fingers crossed*
02:54:00 <ParadoxGuitarist> good meeting all
02:54:06 <jflory7> See you later, ParadoxGuitarist!
02:54:09 <jflory7> Thanks for coming out tonight.
02:54:10 <cydrobolt> Greyhound prices fluctuate from day to day, but I'll say $60 for now, although it will likely be less
02:54:20 <cydrobolt> ParadoxGuitarist, thank you for coming :) have a good evening
02:54:27 <juggler> well all, i'll be running to my next meeting. take care!
02:54:27 <jflory7> cydrobolt: So roughly $120 for the two of us, right?
02:54:28 <linuxmodder> megabus is  like  $40 / one way
02:54:38 <nb> cydrobolt, if it is a reasonable difference, just do it
02:54:44 <cydrobolt> yeah
02:54:46 <nb> even if it is higher
02:54:48 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I've got a discount on Greyhound with a Student Advantage card
02:54:59 <linuxmodder> well use it   punk :)
02:55:03 <jflory7> Proposal: Approving transportation funds for cydrobolt and jflory7: ~$120 (tentative to ticket fluctuation)
02:55:09 <nb> +1
02:55:12 <linuxmodder> +!
02:55:15 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I did, screenshotted the price in the wiki ;)
02:55:17 <linuxmodder> 1*
02:55:18 <jsandys> +1
02:55:18 <juggler> +1
02:55:19 <cydrobolt> +1
02:55:32 <jflory7> #agreed Approving transportation funds for cydrobolt and jflory7: ~$120 (tentative to ticket price fluctuation)
02:55:40 <jflory7> Okay, now last ticket for tonight, should be a fast one
02:55:50 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #131 ===
02:55:53 <jflory7> .famnaticket 131
02:55:54 <linuxmodder> that's brickhack right'?
02:55:55 <zodbot> jflory7: #131 (BrickHack 2016) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/131
02:55:58 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Yep
02:56:18 <linuxmodder> you have banners so what is  left?
02:56:18 <nb> #info nb withdraws request to go to BrickHack 2016
02:56:30 <linuxmodder> no travel or  schedule?
02:56:36 <jflory7> #info decause and jflory7 attended the BrickHack organizer's meeting on Tuesday and solidified plans for details of the Open Source track, prizes ideas, and other organizational ideas
02:56:53 <jflory7> #info jsmith contributed three different BlueHost hosting plans to the prize pool
02:56:55 <nb> jflory7, is prize budget expected to be sufficient?
02:57:05 <jflory7> #info decause rounded up some OpenSource.com merchandise
02:57:23 <jflory7> nb: I think so, we're looking at ordering MakeyMakey kits, Raspberry Pis, and decause was going to round up some other goodies.
02:57:33 <juggler> yeah!
02:57:44 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I believe decause is going under the RH ticket, and cprofitt and I are local
02:57:53 <linuxmodder> ah
02:58:01 <linuxmodder> was more toward  nb
02:58:02 <jflory7> The only one who would be traveling would be MarkDude, and we haven't heard anything about his pricing on tickets
02:58:12 <jflory7> At this point, it's too late to get him here
02:58:32 <jflory7> So really it will just be locals. There's a few other Red Hatters in the area who may be helping as mentors for the Open Source track
02:58:34 <nb> linuxmodder, schedule conflict, lack of vacation days, etc
02:58:40 <linuxmodder> ah
02:58:42 <linuxmodder> feel that
02:59:14 <jflory7> #info No travel costs since all attendees are local (exception: decause); other local Red Hatters should be in attendance and helping as Open Source track mentors
02:59:28 <jflory7> #info Everything is looking set for an awesome BrickHack!
02:59:35 <jflory7> That's all from me about BrickHack.
02:59:40 <jflory7> Nothing to really vote on as of now...
02:59:48 <jflory7> Anyone have questions, comments, suggestions?
02:59:49 <linuxmodder> and there is the 1 hour  buzzer :)
03:00:04 <jflory7> Otherwise we can go to an Open Floor for any quick backburner discussions anyone may have
03:00:12 <jflory7> Or just close out for the evening.
03:00:14 <nb> me has something for open floor
03:00:18 <jflory7> Cool.
03:00:20 <nb> /
03:00:23 <jflory7> BrickHack, going once--
03:00:23 <linuxmodder> open floor  >  -ambassadors ?
03:00:29 <nb> no
03:00:29 <jflory7> Going twice--
03:00:30 <nb> on the record
03:00:39 <jflory7> linuxmodder: There's nobody waiting to use the channel, so we're good to stay here.
03:00:41 <jflory7> Going thrice--
03:00:42 <nb> #topic open floor
03:00:45 <jflory7> #topic === Open Floor ===
03:00:47 <jflory7> Whoops!
03:00:49 <nb> oops
03:00:54 <jflory7> No worries. :)
03:00:55 * juggler is departing. Night all!
03:00:59 <jflory7> Good night, juggler!
03:01:00 <nb> #info pen vendor accidentally ordered us 3,000 pens
03:01:02 <jflory7> Thanks for coming out.
03:01:04 <linuxmodder> night juggler
03:01:07 <jflory7> nb: Ah, yeah...
03:01:12 <nb> they are in transit from StabbyMc to the regional shippers
03:01:21 <jsandys> How can we get more speakers to the conferences?
03:01:36 <nb> they have offered to let us keep the extra 1,000 for a discount (to be determined how much discount)
03:01:37 <jflory7> jsandys: Hmm, what conferences, or do you mean in general?
03:01:39 <nb> and pay for them later
03:01:41 <linuxmodder> jsandys,  which ones?
03:01:51 * nb proposes we keep them, pay them $990 for the 2,000 we agreed on
03:02:00 <nb> and pay them whatever for the other 1,000 in Q2
03:02:01 <jflory7> nb: Okay... hopefully that will work out well. Really a big mess-up on their end to have shipped the wrong amount
03:02:07 <jsandys> all in general, LFNW specifically
03:02:17 <linuxmodder> +1  to nb propr
03:02:26 <nb> $990 out of Q1 FY2017 and $400 or so (TBD how much discount) in Q2 FYE2017
03:02:34 <jsandys> Adam W is the only 'fedorian' to offer a talk
03:02:37 <jflory7> nb: I'm +1 to paying for the original quoted amount for the time being
03:02:51 <jflory7> jsandys: I think taking advantage of Fedora CommOps might help us get some more interested speakers. When is LFNW again?
03:03:04 <nb> other option is they will send a call tag to have UPS come pick up the remaining 1,000
03:03:16 <nb> jflory7, what do you think we should do with remaining 1k?
03:03:20 <linuxmodder> out  here folks
03:03:23 <nb> we usually order 3k
03:03:33 <nb> we just ordered 2 because of 1k limit
03:03:34 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Enjoy the rest of your evening!
03:03:51 <jflory7> nb: So... we pay for the last bit at the end of this upcoming quarter?
03:04:00 <jflory7> Which is basically around autumn... right?
03:04:12 <nb> jflory7, this quarter is march-april-may
03:04:20 <nb> so pay for the other 1k in early june
03:04:21 <jflory7> Okay, so June or so
03:04:32 <jflory7> Right, guess I'm a little bit tired... that's why they're called quarters...
03:04:35 <jflory7> :P
03:04:51 <jflory7> nb: I'm tentatively saying that would work well, but I think decause is probably your best point of contact for a definite answer
03:04:51 <jsandys> pens are good swag, and they are not dated
03:05:10 <jsandys> +1 take the discount on the extra pens
03:05:13 <nb> they will invoice them separately
03:05:17 <jflory7> nb: I see
03:05:18 <nb> and getting a discount is good
03:05:25 <nb> so I say we go ahead and vote to do it
03:05:31 <jflory7> I mean... it all sounds like a good solution to me.
03:05:31 <nb> 2k pens now, 1k pens Q2
03:05:54 <jflory7> I'm just tentative to take a vote since a lot of others already left and decause isn't here
03:06:05 <nb> decause, and jzb said we needed to vote at amb meeting
03:06:10 <jflory7> Ah, shoot
03:06:15 <jflory7> Okay, then we'll have to do this now then
03:06:17 <nb> crap, linuxmodder left too
03:06:43 * nb thinks this is only solution that makes sense really.  i see no point of sending the pens back, and really need to get vendor an answer
03:06:54 <jflory7> Proposed: Pay for original 2,000 pens ordered for this quarter; keep remaining pens and pay for the rest in Q2
03:06:57 <nb> +1
03:06:57 <jflory7> +1
03:07:02 <jsandys> +1
03:07:09 <jflory7> That may be all of us left
03:07:26 <nb> #agreed Pay for original 2,000 pens ordered for this quarter; keep remaining pens and pay for the rest in Q2
03:07:27 <jflory7> #agreed Pay for original 2,000 pens ordered for this quarter; keep remaining 1,000 pens and pay for the rest in Q2
03:07:31 <jflory7> #undo
03:07:31 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by jflory7 at 03:07:27 : Pay for original 2,000 pens ordered for this quarter; keep remaining 1,000 pens and pay for the rest in Q2
03:07:33 <jflory7> nb++
03:07:37 <nb> HA we did it again :)
03:07:37 <jflory7> Okay. Anything else?
03:07:47 <jflory7> nb: Seems like a recurring pattern. :)
03:07:57 <jflory7> Since it's just the three of us, I think we're safe to close out
03:07:59 * nb should stop doing it and let the real chair (you) do it :)
03:08:03 <nb> +1 end meeting
03:08:06 <jflory7> Going once--
03:08:11 <jsandys> +1 bye
03:08:12 <jflory7> Going twice--
03:08:16 <jflory7> Goiing thrice,
03:08:18 <jflory7> And out
03:08:20 <jflory7> #endmeeting